---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/26/08: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:56 AM - Re: rotate Esqual (flylightning) 2. 07:59 AM - Re: rotate Esqual (Dave) 3. 08:29 AM - Re: rotate Esqual (James, Clive R) 4. 02:54 PM - Four New Email Lists At Matronics!! (Matt Dralle) 5. 04:33 PM - Re: Lightning-color choices (IFLYSMODEL@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:09 AM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: rotate Esqual Clive, I would give up a bit of up ..say 2-3 degrees to get some more down.....with the lightning we rig for 12-15 down and 22-25 up... Hope this helps... Nick -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James, Clive R Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 1:47 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: rotate Esqual Attached are the pictures I took of my elevator set up. I haven't got any manuals with me to check the numbers but the up elevator was possibly 25 degrees. The down 10? The stops being the travel on the bottom of the control column forward pivot and the seat bulkhead with clearance in the stabiliser. Certainly not that same up and down. Buz what is yours like? Though after recent reports on Esqual w+b and control issues something to explore in the test flying. Getting the nose down can be as critical as pulling it up under certain situation..... This is a classic with the Jabiru where there is little down elevator needed, where folk set the up and down equal they don't have enough up elevator travel to flare at low speeds. Dave, excellent use of space, parachute installation and a good collection of equipment for killing things! Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: 25 April 2008 19:40 Subject: Lightning-List: rotate Buz Thanks for the hints, you were right, the elevator was not centered to travel meaning I had 2 inches more down than up travel, don't ask me how this one slipped by, good thing I was an ex A&P. Did the weight and balance and I weigh 11 lbs less than you deducting the chute. W/B all is well within limits I rotate at 45 now, Thought the group might like to see some photos of how I made big items fit in small places. My grandson likes to hunt and fish, as I do. The "box" you see is the chute container, BRS's first in Esqual. Dave McC ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:42 AM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: rotate Esqual Clive I have 21 degrees up and 17 degrees down on the elevator, I believe the Esqual manual says 25 up, but don't take my word on this. Buz, my stalls are within 3 to 4 mph of yours. At cruise, all I have done is head into the wind, read gps, turn 180, read gps, split the difference, and it equals indicated. But yes, the indicated could be off, till I find a FA18 in Winona so we can compare I won't know--just kidding- Dave Mcc ----- Original Message ----- From: "James, Clive R" Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 1:46 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: rotate Esqual Attached are the pictures I took of my elevator set up. I haven't got any manuals with me to check the numbers but the up elevator was possibly 25 degrees. The down 10? The stops being the travel on the bottom of the control column forward pivot and the seat bulkhead with clearance in the stabiliser. Certainly not that same up and down. Buz what is yours like? Though after recent reports on Esqual w+b and control issues something to explore in the test flying. Getting the nose down can be as critical as pulling it up under certain situation..... This is a classic with the Jabiru where there is little down elevator needed, where folk set the up and down equal they don't have enough up elevator travel to flare at low speeds. Dave, excellent use of space, parachute installation and a good collection of equipment for killing things! Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: 25 April 2008 19:40 Subject: Lightning-List: rotate Buz Thanks for the hints, you were right, the elevator was not centered to travel meaning I had 2 inches more down than up travel, don't ask me how this one slipped by, good thing I was an ex A&P. Did the weight and balance and I weigh 11 lbs less than you deducting the chute. W/B all is well within limits I rotate at 45 now, Thought the group might like to see some photos of how I made big items fit in small places. My grandson likes to hunt and fish, as I do. The "box" you see is the chute container, BRS's first in Esqual. Dave McC ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:27 AM PST US Subject: RE: Lightning-List: rotate Esqual From: "James, Clive R" Good info, Nick's recommendation is also to drop the 'up' back a bit and I suspect then that Buz's will be away from the original 25 degrees. Some tweaking needed me thinks. Many thanks, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: 26 April 2008 15:56 Subject: Re: Lightning-List: rotate Esqual Clive I have 21 degrees up and 17 degrees down on the elevator, I believe the Esqual manual says 25 up, but don't take my word on this. Buz, my stalls are within 3 to 4 mph of yours. At cruise, all I have done is head into the wind, read gps, turn 180, read gps, split the difference, and it equals indicated. But yes, the indicated could be off, till I find a FA18 in Winona so we can compare I won't know--just kidding- Dave Mcc ----- Original Message ----- From: "James, Clive R" Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 1:46 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: rotate Esqual Attached are the pictures I took of my elevator set up. I haven't got any manuals with me to check the numbers but the up elevator was possibly 25 degrees. The down 10? The stops being the travel on the bottom of the control column forward pivot and the seat bulkhead with clearance in the stabiliser. Certainly not that same up and down. Buz what is yours like? Though after recent reports on Esqual w+b and control issues something to explore in the test flying. Getting the nose down can be as critical as pulling it up under certain situation..... This is a classic with the Jabiru where there is little down elevator needed, where folk set the up and down equal they don't have enough up elevator travel to flare at low speeds. Dave, excellent use of space, parachute installation and a good collection of equipment for killing things! Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: 25 April 2008 19:40 Subject: Lightning-List: rotate Buz Thanks for the hints, you were right, the elevator was not centered to travel meaning I had 2 inches more down than up travel, don't ask me how this one slipped by, good thing I was an ex A&P. Did the weight and balance and I weigh 11 lbs less than you deducting the chute. W/B all is well within limits I rotate at 45 now, Thought the group might like to see some photos of how I made big items fit in small places. My grandson likes to hunt and fish, as I do. The "box" you see is the chute container, BRS's first in Esqual. 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