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1. 07:09 AM - Re: Seat height and width for new Lightning interior (Gary & Laura Pennington)
2. 07:11 AM - Re: email (Gary & Laura Pennington)
3. 08:27 AM - Re: email (Colin J. Kennedy)
4. 06:47 PM - Re: email (N1BZRich@aol.com)
5. 06:48 PM - Re: email (N1BZRich@aol.com)
6. 06:55 PM - Re: email (N1BZRich@aol.com)
7. 08:19 PM - Re: Seat height and width for new Lightning interior (Jim Langley)
8. 09:25 PM - Re: Seat height and width for new Lightning interior (mcjon77)
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Subject: | Re: Seat height and width for new Lightning interior |
Good morning
It is my understanding that you must cut the seat base and drop it to the
floor of the fuselage, then re-glass it for the lowered position to gain
more clearance for tall pilots. I am 6'3" tall and I too had problems with
head clearance in the standard Lightning. This procedure sounds like a
workable solution.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "mcjon77" <mcjon77@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 3:50 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Seat height and width for new Lightning interior
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm new here and will be purchasing and building a homebuilt aircraft this
> fall. I read on this forum that there were previously concerns regarding
> seat height and width for tall/wide pilots. I have heard that the new
> interior provides much more room, but haven't found any specific numbers
> yet. Does anyone know the seat height (height from the seat cushion to
> the canopy) and seat width of the new interior?
>
> I have a sitting height of 38 inches and I would like to know If I will
> fit. I'll be at Oshkosh to check it out personally, but it would be nice
> to have the numbers beforehand.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Jon
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183574#183574
>
>
>
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MessageGood morning.
Doesn't Lightning now have a template for setting wing angle of
incidence?
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin J. Kennedy
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: email
This method ensures that the angle of incidence is the same for both
wings, but it does not set it to any given value. In fact the manual
gives no value.
I don't think you have any other reference than the wing root for the
first wing.
Even with the spar bolts in place the wings can be rotated a few
degrees until the angle of incidence bolts are put in place.
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary &
Laura Pennington
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:55 AM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: email
How would you know you have the angle of incedence right on the
first wing?
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin J. Kennedy
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 7:43 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: email
Hi Tex,
A long silence and no activity from me!
I have been mulling over how I can better align the spar
bolts/wing roots/spar box halves without many more trial and error
attempts and consequently larger and larger holes for the spar box bolts
in the wing roots each time. I know that you can flox & epoxy them at
the end, but it's still better to keep them as small as possible.
I have not made much progress on that, but I have decided that it
is a three man job to put the spar bolts in - one on each wing tip and
one holding the bolts. Until now I have had someone on just one wing tip
at a time, while I do the spar bolts. I have a set of longer bolts that
I have filed to a point to help get them in and align everything. I have
done this, but it is still not yet well enough aligned to fit the
original bolts.
The builder of a flying Jabiru had a look at my Lightning. He had
what I think is a very good suggestion for checking the wing angle of
incidence which does not depend on the fuselage being level in the
longitudinal or lateral axis, or having a level floor, or on placing an
angle measurement gauge on exactly the same place on each wing with a
jig.
Take a clear plastic tube with water in it. Line one wing up with
the wing root. Line the water level at one end up with the leading edge
where the wing meets the root. The tube goes under the wing and up to
the trailing edge. Measure the distance from the water level at the
other end, to the trailing edge. This measurement is the vertical height
difference between the leading and trailing edges.
Do the same on the other wing and adjust the wing position until
the measurement is the same.
Since the wing chord is the same, when you have set the vertical
height difference the same, you have set the incidence angle the same on
each wing.
What do you think?
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex
Mantell
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 6:21 AM
To: lightning List
Subject: Lightning-List: email
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A drawing with measurements and method are described in the manual.
There is
no template. I really don't know if that would help or not. It might.
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary &
Laura
Pennington
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: email
Good morning.
Doesn't Lightning now have a template for setting wing angle of
incidence?
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin J. Kennedy <mailto:cjk129@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: email
This method ensures that the angle of incidence is the same for both
wings,
but it does not set it to any given value. In fact the manual gives no
value.
I don't think you have any other reference than the wing root for the
first
wing.
Even with the spar bolts in place the wings can be rotated a few degrees
until the angle of incidence bolts are put in place.
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary &
Laura
Pennington
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: email
How would you know you have the angle of incedence right on the first
wing?
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin J. <mailto:cjk129@cox.net> Kennedy
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 7:43 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: email
Hi Tex,
A long silence and no activity from me!
I have been mulling over how I can better align the spar bolts/wing
roots/spar box halves without many more trial and error attempts and
consequently larger and larger holes for the spar box bolts in the wing
roots each time. I know that you can flox & epoxy them at the end, but
it's
still better to keep them as small as possible.
I have not made much progress on that, but I have decided that it is a
three
man job to put the spar bolts in - one on each wing tip and one holding
the
bolts. Until now I have had someone on just one wing tip at a time,
while I
do the spar bolts. I have a set of longer bolts that I have filed to a
point
to help get them in and align everything. I have done this, but it is
still
not yet well enough aligned to fit the original bolts.
The builder of a flying Jabiru had a look at my Lightning. He had what I
think is a very good suggestion for checking the wing angle of incidence
which does not depend on the fuselage being level in the longitudinal or
lateral axis, or having a level floor, or on placing an angle
measurement
gauge on exactly the same place on each wing with a jig.
Take a clear plastic tube with water in it. Line one wing up with the
wing
root. Line the water level at one end up with the leading edge where the
wing meets the root. The tube goes under the wing and up to the trailing
edge. Measure the distance from the water level at the other end, to the
trailing edge. This measurement is the vertical height difference
between
the leading and trailing edges.
Do the same on the other wing and adjust the wing position until the
measurement is the same.
Since the wing chord is the same, when you have set the vertical height
difference the same, you have set the incidence angle the same on each
wing.
What do you think?
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex
Mantell
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 6:21 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: email
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In a message dated 5/17/2008 10:47:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cjk129@cox.net writes:
Take a clear plastic tube with water in it. Line one wing up with the wing
root. Line the water level at one end up with the leading edge where the wing
meets the root. The tube goes under the wing and up to the trailing edge.
Measure the distance from the water level at the other end, to the trailing
edge. This measurement is the vertical height difference between the leading and
trailing edges.
Hi Colin,
I used a "water level" extensively when rigging my Pitts. The neat
thing about it is that it can be any length - such as wing tip to wing tip. The
method you describe above should work. However, I think the new incidence
jig that Lightning has come up with will be simple and likely do a more precise
job when using one of the new digital levels. But as I said, your "water
level" method will work.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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In a message dated 5/17/2008 12:26:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
clive.james@uk.bp.com writes:
Is there a concern with the lighting that the fuselage isn't a good
enough template?
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In a message dated 5/17/2008 12:26:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
clive.james@uk.bp.com writes:
Is there a concern with the lighting that the fuselage isn't a good
enough template?
Hi Clive,
The karmen on the two fuselage sides are probably pretty close in the
original molds, but that may change over time with use. Plus the individual
layups could vary, as could the way the two halves are glassed together. All
of these processes leave some room for very slight miss-allignment of the
karmen on each side. In the past, some Lightnings have come out with no roll
when using the karmen and others have had a roll to correct. So it just
depends. The new jig that SYI is using makes sure both wings are set to the same
incidence. Adds one step to the process, but insures they are the same.
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Subject: | Re: Seat height and width for new Lightning interior |
I am 6'-2", but have a torso/sitting height of 39.5". I fit with just
enough clearance for my headset. I lowered my seat by cutting out the seat
support and center console where is rests on the spar box enought so it sits
flat. I think I have pics on my build log site. Go to
www.jimslightning.com and then go to the build log. It is hosted oin
mykitlog.com
Jim!
On 5/18/08, Gary & Laura Pennington <pennington@gainusa.com> wrote:
>
> pennington@gainusa.com>
>
> Good morning
> It is my understanding that you must cut the seat base and drop it to the
> floor of the fuselage, then re-glass it for the lowered position to gain
> more clearance for tall pilots. I am 6'3" tall and I too had problems with
> head clearance in the standard Lightning. This procedure sounds like a
> workable solution.
> Gary
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mcjon77" <mcjon77@yahoo.com>
> To: <lightning-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 3:50 PM
> Subject: Lightning-List: Seat height and width for new Lightning interior
>
>
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm new here and will be purchasing and building a homebuilt aircraft this
>> fall. I read on this forum that there were previously concerns regarding
>> seat height and width for tall/wide pilots. I have heard that the new
>> interior provides much more room, but haven't found any specific numbers
>> yet. Does anyone know the seat height (height from the seat cushion to the
>> canopy) and seat width of the new interior?
>>
>> I have a sitting height of 38 inches and I would like to know If I will
>> fit. I'll be at Oshkosh to check it out personally, but it would be nice to
>> have the numbers beforehand.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183574#183574
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Seat height and width for new Lightning interior |
Thanks Jim!
I've been following your builder's log for a few weeks now. Great work, and a
great service to the homebuilding (and potential homebuilding) community. As
you already know, it is a bid of a challenge to find planes that fit those of
us with long torsos. :D Now I am even more psyched about getting to see the
plane up close at Oshkosh.
Jon
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