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1. 01:25 AM - Re: Thoughts on new wingtips? (Bruce & Colleen Keen)
2. 03:57 AM - Re: Re: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash (James, Clive R)
3. 05:16 AM - Gila Bend? (EAFerguson@aol.com)
4. 05:34 AM - Gila Bend Gas (EAFerguson@aol.com)
5. 05:58 AM - Re: Gila Bend? (jeynon)
6. 08:35 AM - Re: Gila Bend Gas (Wayne Lenox)
7. 09:00 AM - Re: ENGINE INSTALL page 33-2 (flylightning)
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on new wingtips? |
Hi Brian
They definitely improve looks, but before I order I need to know more
about? e.g attachment - Is it as per original ? With extra wing loading
will that be sufficient (if the same)? Additional weight ? What are key
benefits or detriments ? Pricing ? Can I trade non fitted ,originals in?
Does strobe kit fit these ?
Regards
BK
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From: Brian Whittingham
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 5:54 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Thoughts on new wingtips?
To all, I want to know what you all think about the new wingtip
extensions. Do you like the look of the increased wingspan? Do you
like the wingtips and how they flare out at the end? Anybody planning
on ordering a set? I want to hear from both sport pilot and non-sport
pilot builders alike. I'd like to kind of get a tally of which group
wants them more. It's something that will really allow the sport pilots
to maximize their aircraft while at the same time, I believe it will
allow for non sport pilots to add looks and climb performance, and
probably a slight decrease in fuel consumption at cruise. Brian W.
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| Subject: | Re: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash |
Daniel, the prop hub is only a short standard one which comes with the
engine which I fitted for transportation. It's not Loctited or wire
locked.
The bolts are the ones supplied with the engine. They are like the
flywheel ones so aren't properly shouldered.
CJ
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
DW
Sent: 08 June 2008 22:01
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash
Clive,
I've read about it. Seems to be the extension for the prop that came
loose..
On the engine that I bought, did you put on this extension yourself?
If yes, were the bolts long enough?
What Loctite have you used?
Any progress with your Esqual?
Regards
Danny
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Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:55:44 +0100
From: clive.james@uk.bp.com
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Some info to be gleaned from the Jabiru engines lists, CJ
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
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jhausch
Sent: 06 June 2008 15:28
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash
<jhausch@charter.net>
Respectfully, when might we get some add'l news on this
unfortunate
accident?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186489#186489
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Thu Jun 5, 2008 6:03 am (PDT)
All kits from Arion aircraft are built as
Experimental Amateur
Built. They
are not eligible for an LSA certificate of any
kind.
Pete
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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:50 PM
To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
Tom,
If your plane was built by Arion then it is an
S-LSA. If it was
built by you
then it is probably an E-LSA.
Ivan
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From: Tom Covell
To: jabiruengines@
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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
Ivan,
I don't know if it was an E or S. I also have
the 3300 and
Sensinich ground
adjustable. I guess I didn't realize the prop
hub bolts had to
be torqued
every 25 hours--thanks for the info.
Tom
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On Behalf Of Ivan
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:15 AM
To: jabiruengines@
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yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
Tom
Is you Arion Lightining an S-LSA or E-LSA. If it
is an S-LSA I
am curious to
see what kind of input Arion at Shelbyville has
to add.
Ivan
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From: Tom Covell
To: jabiruengines@
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yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25 AM
Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
Ivan,
An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground
adjustable.
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On Behalf Of Ivan
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:00 PM
To: jabiruengines@
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yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
On what kind of airplane was the installation
and what kind of
prop?
Ivan
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Covell
To: jabiruengines@
<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM
Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
We had a prop hub come off of a 3300.
Preliminary info is that 4
of
the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out
of the
crankshaft. I
understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at
it tomorrow.
Lots of
speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?)
and proper torque.
Might check yours.
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Thu Jun 5, 2008 6:11 am (PDT)
Ivan,
It wasn't my prop hub that came off. I have a
Rans S-6S that I
am waiting
for the DAR to inspect so I can go fly. I see
Joe Hollars got
his
inspection OK(Congrats)
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Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
Tom,
If your plane was built by Arion then it is an
S-LSA. If it was
built by you
then it is probably an E-LSA.
Ivan
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From: Tom Covell
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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
Ivan,
I don't know if it was an E or S. I also have
the 3300 and
Sensinich ground
adjustable. I guess I didn't realize the prop
hub bolts had to
be torqued
every 25 hours--thanks for the info.
Tom
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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:15 AM
To: jabiruengines@
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yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
Tom
Is you Arion Lightining an S-LSA or E-LSA. If it
is an S-LSA I
am curious to
see what kind of input Arion at Shelbyville has
to add.
Ivan
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From: Tom Covell
To: jabiruengines@
<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25 AM
Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
Ivan,
An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground
adjustable.
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Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
On what kind of airplane was the installation
and what kind of
prop?
Ivan
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Covell
To: jabiruengines@
<mailto:jabiruengines%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM
Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
We had a prop hub come off of a 3300.
Preliminary info is that 4
of
the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out
of the
crankshaft. I
understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at
it tomorrow.
Lots of
speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?)
and proper torque.
Might check yours.
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Someone wrote
In a message dated 6/4/2008 2:14:41 P.M. Eastern
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180-200 ft-lbs ? Wow! That's a lot!
I read the posting to be 180-200 inch pounds not
foot pounds.
Still it would be helpful to know whether there
was a prop
extension
installed
Also the jabiru engine perform best with wooden
propellers. This
is one
of the reasons why . It's very possible that
vibration between
the
ground adjustable prop and the engine caused
these bolts to
shake loose.
I also think it wise to mention that when you
lockwire prop
bolts you
use .050" Inconel Lockwire. They should be
lockwired in pairs to
prevent
embrittlement of the wire.
If you lockwire the nuts, you can see the
lockwire without
removing the
spinner.
Bill Evans
2200a
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There is an old EAA Video on Installing
Propellers by the Great
American Propeller Company. I haven't seen them
advertise for
years.
Anyway I've watched that video numerous times
and consider it to
be
gospel on installing propellers. I highly
recommend it.
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1a.
Alternator stator loose From: Ian Clark
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Prop bolts sheared. From: Bill Evans
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5.
when? who? rebuilding the jab 2200 carburator??
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Fw: ivan-POH weight / balance / IDE4/ ASI
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My alternator stator came loose on my last
flight it makes a
loud whining noise at low rpm that clears when you raise
the rpm. There
is about 6 clicks per rev when you rotate the prop by
hand. I have not
checked the extent of the damage yet.
I have a 3300 with about 200 hours on it
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Wed Jun 4, 2008 6:33 am (PDT)
Ian
That happened to me on my way back from
Copperstate last year.
For me, the whirring noise was only there at lower
engine speeds. I
noticed it first when I throttled back to land at Ft.
Stockton, TX. I
took it apart as best I could with the couple of tools I
had and it just
seemed that a couple of the screws were loose. I just
tightened them and
continued my fight to San Antonio the next morning.
Again the same noise
happened when I throttled back to land at home.
I disassembled the whole thing and found that 3
of the 4 screws
that hold the stator in place had broke off. I didn't
see any evidence
of the magnets hitting the stator. I had made a bracket
to support the
Ellison throttle body that I have. The bolts for this
bracket attach in
a couple of empty holes in the same area, so I wondered
if they might
have penetrated far enough to distort the stator.
I ended up replacing the stator mounting screws
with AN-3 bolts
and added an extra washer under my Ellison bracket. That
way I was sure
they didn't hit the stator. I also slid a piece of paper
between the
magnets and stator to verify that there is clearance all
around. Its
been working for about 30 hours now and I keep a close
eye on it.
Randy Stout
San Antonio TX
www.geocities.com/n282rs
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:11:03
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Subject: [jabiruengines] Alternator stator loose
My alternator stator came loose on my last
flight it makes a
loud whining noise at low rpm that clears when you raise
the rpm. There
is about 6 clicks per rev when you rotate the prop by
hand. I have not
checked the extent of the damage yet.
I have a 3300 with about 200 hours on it
Ian
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Wed Jun 4, 2008 5:50 am (PDT)
What aircraft/propeller combination is this,
tractor or pusher?
I assume you
are talking about the standard Jabiru 2"
extension as you
mention that bolts
were "pulled out of the crankshaft" These would
have been lock
wired would
they not? So would torque be an issue? Unless
they were torqued
incorrectly
at installation.
We need some more information here I feel.
Greg Bakker
Hamilton, Victoria Australia
www.varieze.net
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Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
> We had a prop hub come off of a 3300.
Preliminary info is that
4 of
> the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out
of the
crankshaft. I
> understand that Jabiru engineers are looking
at it tomorrow.
Lots of
> speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?)
and proper
torque.
> Might check yours.
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Ivan,
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On what kind of airplane was the installation
and what kind of
prop?
Ivan
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Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
We had a prop hub come off of a 3300.
Preliminary info is that 4
of
the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out
of the
crankshaft. I
understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at
it tomorrow.
Lots of
speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?)
and proper torque.
Might check yours.
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Wed Jun 4, 2008 10:28 am (PDT)
Yes it was the flange coming off the crankshaft
and yes it was
safety wired.
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And was it the hub of the prop coming off the
flange, or the
flange
coming off the crankshaft?
I assume from the reference to Loctite that it
was the latter.
Were
the nuts lock wired?
John Lamb
On 04/06/2008, at 2:00 PM, Ivan wrote:
> On what kind of airplane was the installation
and what kind of
prop?
> Ivan
>
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> We had a prop hub come off of a 3300.
Preliminary info is that
4 of
> the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out
of the
crankshaft. I
> understand that Jabiru engineers are looking
at it tomorrow.
Lots of
> speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?)
and proper
torque.
> Might check yours.
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Wed Jun 4, 2008 10:34 am (PDT)
Gregg,
It was a tractor installation. It was lock wired
and because, as
I
understand it, the bolts are "loose fit" it
seems that the
torque and
Loc-tite would be an issue.
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What aircraft/propeller combination is this,
tractor or pusher?
I assume you
are talking about the standard Jabiru 2"
extension as you
mention that bolts
were "pulled out of the crankshaft" These would
have been lock
wired would
they not? So would torque be an issue? Unless
they were torqued
incorrectly
at installation.
We need some more information here I feel.
Greg Bakker
Hamilton, Victoria Australia
www.varieze.net
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> We had a prop hub come off of a 3300.
Preliminary info is that
4 of
> the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out
of the
crankshaft. I
> understand that Jabiru engineers are looking
at it tomorrow.
Lots of
> speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?)
and proper
torque.
> Might check yours.
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I have a Sensinich prop ground adjustable on my
J-250 which is a
S-LSA built by USA Jabiru. The Sensinich manual says to
torque the
mounting bolts to 180-200 ft-lbs only annually. The hub
bolts are
torqued each 25 hrs. I have done the hub bolts many
times and never had
broken the torque. I spoke to the mechanic who did my
annual and he said
that the mounting bolts did have to be tightened but
nothing out of the
ordinary.
Ivan
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Ivan,
An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground
adjustable.
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On what kind of airplane was the installation
and what kind of
prop?
Ivan
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Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
We had a prop hub come off of a 3300.
Preliminary info is that 4
of
the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out
of the
crankshaft. I
understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at
it tomorrow.
Lots of
speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?)
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Tom
Is you Arion Lightining an S-LSA or E-LSA. If it
is an S-LSA I
am curious to see what kind of input Arion at
Shelbyville has to add.
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An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground
adjustable.
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On what kind of airplane was the installation
and what kind of
prop?
Ivan
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We had a prop hub come off of a 3300.
Preliminary info is that 4
of
the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out
of the
crankshaft. I
understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at
it tomorrow.
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speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?)
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Sorry, in-lbs.
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Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:29 am (PDT)
According to Jabiru's instructions on installing
the prop
flange: the 6 -3/8" UNF bolts should be torqued to 30
ft/lbs or 40 Nm in
a criss cross pattern.
Ivan <imap8ntr@cox.net
<mailto:imap8ntr%40cox.net> > wrote: I
have a Sensinich prop ground adjustable on my J-250
which is a S-LSA
built by USA Jabiru. The Sensinich manual says to torque
the mounting
bolts to 180-200 ft-lbs only annually. The hub bolts are
torqued each 25
hrs. I have done the hub bolts many times and never had
broken the
torque. I spoke to the mechanic who did my annual and he
said that the
mounting bolts did have to be tightened but nothing out
of the ordinary.
Ivan
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Ivan,
An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground
adjustable.
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On what kind of airplane was the installation
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Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
We had a prop hub come off of a 3300.
Preliminary info is that 4
of
the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out
of the
crankshaft. I
understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at
it tomorrow.
Lots of
speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?)
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Might check yours.
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Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:47 am (PDT)
Ivan,
I don't know if it was an E or S. I also have
the 3300 and
Sensinich ground
adjustable. I guess I didn't realize the prop
hub bolts had to
be torqued
every 25 hours--thanks for the info.
Tom
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Tom
Is you Arion Lightining an S-LSA or E-LSA. If it
is an S-LSA I
am curious to
see what kind of input Arion at Shelbyville has
to add.
Ivan
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Ivan,
An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground
adjustable.
_____
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On what kind of airplane was the installation
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Ivan
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Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
We had a prop hub come off of a 3300.
Preliminary info is that 4
of
the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out
of the
crankshaft. I
understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at
it tomorrow.
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speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?)
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Might check yours.
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Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:56 am (PDT)
Gerald,
Maybe we are talking about two different things.
The Sensinich
manual says that the bolts mounting the propeller hub to
the engine
mounting flange should be torqued to 180-200 in lbs. I
see in the Jabiru
Engine manual that it says to torque the flang bolts to
30 ft-lbs. Maybe
the mounting bolts that Sensinich is talking about
attatched the hub to
the flange and the Jabiru 30 ft-lb torqued bolts are
those attatching
the flange to the engine shaft and not the prob hub?
Ivan
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From: Gerald Boughner
To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
According to Jabiru's instructions on installing
the prop
flange: the 6 -3/8" UNF bolts should be torqued to 30
ft/lbs or 40 Nm in
a criss cross pattern.
Ivan <imap8ntr@cox.net
<mailto:imap8ntr%40cox.net> > wrote: I
have a Sensinich prop ground adjustable on my J-250
which is a S-LSA
built by USA Jabiru. The Sensinich manual says to torque
the mounting
bolts to 180-200 ft-lbs only annually. The hub bolts are
torqued each 25
hrs. I have done the hub bolts many times and never had
broken the
torque. I spoke to the mechanic who did my annual and he
said that the
mounting bolts did have to be tightened but nothing out
of the ordinary.
Ivan
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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25 AM
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Ivan,
An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground
adjustable.
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Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
On what kind of airplane was the installation
and what kind of
prop?
Ivan
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Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM
Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
We had a prop hub come off of a 3300.
Preliminary info is that 4
of
the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out
of the
crankshaft. I
understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at
it tomorrow.
Lots of
speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?)
and proper torque.
Might check yours.
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Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:58 am (PDT)
Tom
Here is the literature I got with the Sensinich
ground
adjustable composite prop: see attatched. Make sure it
is the right one
applying to your prop.
Ivan
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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
Ivan,
I don't know if it was an E or S. I also have
the 3300 and
Sensinich ground
adjustable. I guess I didn't realize the prop
hub bolts had to
be torqued
every 25 hours--thanks for the info.
Tom
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Tom
Is you Arion Lightining an S-LSA or E-LSA. If it
is an S-LSA I
am curious to
see what kind of input Arion at Shelbyville has
to add.
Ivan
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Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
Ivan,
An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground
adjustable.
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Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
On what kind of airplane was the installation
and what kind of
prop?
Ivan
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Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM
Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
We had a prop hub come off of a 3300.
Preliminary info is that 4
of
the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out
of the
crankshaft. I
understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at
it tomorrow.
Lots of
speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?)
and proper torque.
Might check yours.
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Wed Jun 4, 2008 4:49 pm (PDT)
Attention all Jabiru Engine list members,
By Thursday morning I will have the correct
procedure for
installing prop
hub extensions on Jabiru engines posted on
www.usjabiru.com
<http://www.usjabiru.com/
<http://www.usjabiru.com/> > in the
engine manuals section on the support &
service page. That procedure is currently posted
at
www.jabiru.net.au
<http://www.jabiru.net.au/
<http://www.jabiru.net.au/> > under
the manuals section in the Airframe
Construction Manuals Update table.
If you have not installed your prop hub
extension using the
torque values
and sealants specified in the procedure (or in
section 12 of the
engine
manual) you might consider doing it over exactly
by the
procedure.
At this time we have no information as to the
cause of the hub
leaving the
aircraft in Arizona but will be visiting with
the NTSB
investigator
tomorrow. We will pass on any information that
the NTSB will
authorize.
In the mean time, review the procedure from
Jabiru and take the
action you
deem appropriate -- especially if you have not
installed the
extension
with the sealant and torque values specified in
the procedure
and Section 12
of the engine manual..
Pete Krotje
Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC
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Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
Gerald,
Maybe we are talking about two different things.
The Sensinich
manual says
that the bolts mounting the propeller hub to the
engine mounting
flange
should be torqued to 180-200 in lbs. I see in
the Jabiru Engine
manual that
it says to torque the flang bolts to 30 ft-lbs.
Maybe the
mounting bolts
that Sensinich is talking about attatched the
hub to the flange
and the
Jabiru 30 ft-lb torqued bolts are those
attatching the flange to
the engine
shaft and not the prob hub?
Ivan
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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
According to Jabiru's instructions on installing
the prop
flange: the 6
-3/8" UNF bolts should be torqued to 30 ft/lbs
or 40 Nm in a
criss cross
pattern.
Ivan <imap8ntr@cox. <mailto:imap8ntr%40cox.net>
net> wrote: I
have a
Sensinich prop ground adjustable on my J-250
which is a S-LSA
built by USA
Jabiru. The Sensinich manual says to torque the
mounting bolts
to 180-200
ft-lbs only annually. The hub bolts are torqued
each 25 hrs. I
have done the
hub bolts many times and never had broken the
torque. I spoke to
the
mechanic who did my annual and he said that the
mounting bolts
did have to
be tightened but nothing out of the ordinary.
Ivan
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25 AM
Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
Ivan,
An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground
adjustable.
_____
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Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
On what kind of airplane was the installation
and what kind of
prop?
Ivan
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Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM
Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
We had a prop hub come off of a 3300.
Preliminary info is that 4
of
the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out
of the
crankshaft. I
understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at
it tomorrow.
Lots of
speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?)
and proper torque.
Might check yours.
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Palm, others,
I suspect the actual value is more like 180-200
INCH pounds
rather than foot pounds
180 foot pounds is 2160 inch pounds!
I think that NOTHING on the jab should be that
tight (2160 inch
pounds), including the prop.
R. Williams
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Tom,
If your plane was built by Arion then it is an
S-LSA. If it was
built by you then it is probably an E-LSA.
Ivan
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Ivan,
I don't know if it was an E or S. I also have
the 3300 and
Sensinich ground
adjustable. I guess I didn't realize the prop
hub bolts had to
be torqued
every 25 hours--thanks for the info.
Tom
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Tom
Is you Arion Lightining an S-LSA or E-LSA. If it
is an S-LSA I
am curious to
see what kind of input Arion at Shelbyville has
to add.
Ivan
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Ivan,
An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground
adjustable.
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On what kind of airplane was the installation
and what kind of
prop?
Ivan
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Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM
Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
We had a prop hub come off of a 3300.
Preliminary info is that 4
of
the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out
of the
crankshaft. I
understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at
it tomorrow.
Lots of
speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?)
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Might check yours.
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I felt such was the case, just wanted to make
everyone aware,
thanks
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Palm, others,
I suspect the actual value is more like 180-200
INCH pounds
rather than foot
pounds
180 foot pounds is 2160 inch pounds!
I think that NOTHING on the jab should be that
tight (2160 inch
pounds),
including the prop.
R. Williams
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Wed Jun 4, 2008 6:54 am (PDT)
The only 6 bolt installation I can think of at
the front of the
engine
would be the Prop bolts. As I see it the
possibilities/
contributing
factors are:
1. Bogus bolts and or Bogus nuts. (I found one
at Sun & Fun)
2. Bolt shanks nicked or damaged in service.
2. Improper torque/ Torque not checked (every 25
hours on wooden
props.)
I found one bolt at 5 ft lbs last time.
3. No Safety devices, ie no lockwire.
4. Prop bushings "climbed" into the wooden prop.
5 Steel bushings incorrectly installed.
6. Nuts bottomed on bolt shanks inducing
failure.
I found 2 prop bolts with circumferential score
marks after I
backed
them out with a ratchet. These marks would be
eliminated if the
bolts
were driven straight in and straight out. Also
the nuts should
be
torqued while the bolts held still.
However the 4 sheared bolts suggest that factors
1 and 6 are
more likely
causes.
One precaution is to determine the exact length
needed and buy
your
bolts from the propeller maker.
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Anyone know where Pete from Jabiru USA is?
Havent heard any
comments from him in a while. Some concerns of mine were
also emailed to
Jabiru USA and have not gotten an answer. I wonder if he
monitors the
jabiruengines group anymore?
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when? who? rebuilding the jab 2200 carburator??
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flyers,
ive started studying my jabiru/bing setup and
wonder if the
carburator
should come off and be rebuilt at some point
even if there are
no
problems?? ( i only have 45 hrs now. ) is this
in the literature
somewhere?
what should be the timing of having the carb
rebuilt?? months?
flight
hours? wait for trouble?
who might be specialized in doing a good job
with this??
thanks,
bill s. in nc
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Wed Jun 4, 2008 6:38 pm (PDT)
Hi Pete, J-250 owners
I have three questions so I am combining them in
this email:
1.
I noticed that the note that you sent with the
new POH and also
table 4-3 states to use the appropriate values from the
W/B record. I
noticed that many of the arms in the POH are also
different. I am
assuming to always use the ARMS too that came with my
actual W/B record
for my actual serial number airplane?
2.
I was changing the voltage alarm setting on the
Grand Rapids EIS
and somehow goofed on something. I must have pressed
some wrong button
after inputting my min volt of 12.4 in the Display 1
bank.
I came to a screen that went through Display on
the right and
going from #1 to 11 on the left. I figured that I would
just scroll
through and not change anything hoping to return to my
default start up
page. Instead it kept on scrolling through settings ie:
fuel flow, tach,
aux1........6, and IDE1, IDE2, IDE3, IDE4, etc. I
mistakingly changed
the setting on the IDE4 I think one lower. I did not
know for sure what
IDE4 was set at or what it was so I did not fool with it
until I found
out.
Do you know what IDE4 should be set at and what
it is?. It can
be found in the Display bank #2. Display #1 looks like
it is the normal
settings which are shown on the efis in case of an
alarm, ie voltage
min/max, CHT's, EGT's, Display #2 looked all Greek to
me. If there is no
IDE4 maybe it is 1D4?
3.
Ever since I got my airplane I have had a
difference in the
indicated airspeed readings of the UMA guage and the
EFIS. It took me a
while to learn how the EFIS works so I did not make any
ealier comments.
My steam guage reads consistently 4-6 KIAS less than the
EFIS indicated
airspeed. I have been flying by the EFIS readings since
the plane flies
well at that speed and I did not want to error by
following the steam
guage and flying slow on final approach. It seems like
when I am doing
slow flight the stall horn sounds about right @6 kts
above stall speed
and I am not stalled. The steam guage indicates that I
am about to stall
(the best I can tell.) Because of this I am assuming
that the EFIS is
accurate and that the steam guage is off.
Does this assumption sound right to you? Any
other ideas would
be welcome. I have learned to trust my EFIS because it
is such a great
unit so I think the EFIS is probably right.
Also I am going to try flying upwind and down
wind, adding the
indicated airspeeds, divide by 2 and see if this figure
matches the GPS
EFIS groundspeed. I think this should tell which is
accurate?
Thanks
Ivan
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Re: Rocky Mountain Tandem Wing Fly-in
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Well, it is moot now but the fly-in was planned
for next weekend
here
in Casper, WY. The next fly-in planned as far as
I know for the
Dragonflies and Quickie's will be in KS it is
the main event for
these
airplanes. Check out last years website at
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I am not sure that Spud has finalised the dates
for this year.
Spud,
if you are on the list how about an update?
Paul
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In my 3300 installation manual (hydraulic lifter
model), in
Section 15
Propeller Selection, it says "do not cruise or
climb in the
range of
2100 - 2400 rpm". I can see that climb should be
at or close to
full
power, but what is the issue with cruise at this
power setting?
Is
this common for any engine or unique to the Jab?
Thx Garth
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We had a prop hub come off of a 3300.
Preliminary info is that 4
of
the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out
of the
crankshaft. I
understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at
it tomorrow.
Lots of
speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?)
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On what kind of airplane was the installation
and what kind of
prop?
Ivan
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We had a prop hub come off of a 3300.
Preliminary info is that 4
of
the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out
of the
crankshaft. I
understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at
it tomorrow.
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speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?)
and proper torque.
Might check yours.
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And was it the hub of the prop coming off the
flange, or the
flange
coming off the crankshaft?
I assume from the reference to Loctite that it
was the latter.
Were
the nuts lock wired?
John Lamb
On 04/06/2008, at 2:00 PM, Ivan wrote:
> On what kind of airplane was the installation
and what kind of
prop?
> Ivan
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM
> Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub
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> We had a prop hub come off of a 3300.
Preliminary info is that
4 of
> the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out
of the
crankshaft. I
> understand that Jabiru engineers are looking
at it tomorrow.
Lots of
> speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?)
and proper
torque.
> Might check yours.
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In a message dated 6/8/2008 7:30:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
waynelenox@juno.com writes:
Gary
My airport is AZ05. Gila Bend AZ. I will not be there until November with
N123WL. Hope to finish build by end of June. My wife and I are in
Shelbyville,TN for summer and it is very HOT.
Wayne
Wayne,
You're from Gila Bend and Shelbyville is hot???? Humid maybe?? Expect to
hear from Buz about Gila Bend if you haven't already.
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Wayne,
I forgot to ask where you get 100LL. Last summer's Airport Directory didn't
show fuel available.
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Living in Southern Illinois, I've discovered that it's not so much the temperature
but the dew point that tells you what you need to know. When watching the
weather forecasts, I look more at the overnight lows, than the afternoon highs,
to determine how many shirts I'll need the next day.
John Eynon
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Earl
No fuel at Lakeside. I would stop on my way in at Buckeye KBXK. I am t
he only airplane Parked at AZ05. There are two others that fly in on th
e weekend. AZ05 is not open to the public, however I can give you permi
sssion at any time to stop by.
Wayne
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| Subject: | ENGINE INSTALL page 33-2 |
We had thought about that, but I think the only change would be to "read
your installation instructions in the jabiru engine manual for proper
install" because I do not want to get it wrong or if they changed something.
This is the same for any product used on your aircraft that is not provided
by the airframe manufacturer.
Nick
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Subject: Lightning-List: ENGINE INSTALL page 33-2
The manual on page 33-2 states to be sure to install the 2" prop extension
before installing the cowlings. This might be a good place to include the
proper methods and the Locktight # for this procedure. Tex
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In a message dated 6/9/2008 8:17:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
EAFerguson@aol.com writes:
Expect to hear from Buz about Gila Bend if you haven't already.
Hi Earl and all Lightning listers,
Wayne and I talked about Gila Bend and his private strip (with a water
skiing lake) while we were both in SYI some time ago. His strip is located
about half way between Gila Bend and Buckeye. His place is new, because it was
not there while I was the base commander at the Gila Bend ranges. At the
time the only airport close was Pierce near Buckeye. While there I kept my
Bonanza at the base and used it to fly to and from staff meetings at Luke
several times a week. Made for a 15 min. flight verses a 1+15 drive in my staff
car. Kept the Pitts at Litchfield Park just south of Luke.
Anyway, Wayne and Nell's place looks to be kind of "isolated" which
would make for a great flying location with no neighbors to worry about when
doing high speed formation fly bys, etc.. Perfect place. Maybe we could talk
them into hosting a "western" Lightning fly-in at sometime in the future. And
speaking of "hosting", Wayne you might talk to the current Gila Bend
commander and get him to host a fly-in there. I did that while I was there and
opened up the base for any EAA member to fly into the base and we had a picnic
for them and gave them a mission brief on all that goes on at the ranges. The
EAA chapters in the area seemed to really enjoy the event. Also did one
later for the Flying Farmers.
Here is some more "just for grins" information: N31BZ now has just over
450 hours in the last 2 &1/2 years. I passed that total time Saturday
morning flying over to Wakefield to meet with Joe and Linda. I think she now
has
about 80 hours on 59JL. We were doing some airspeed runs with the new FK
blade profile prop she has on JL now.
One other thought on 31BZ - in the 450 hours flown I have had absolutely
no engine or airframe problems. I run the engine fairly hard (as most of
you know) and have only done normal maintenance, oil and filter changes, and
new spark plugs about every 100 hours. By normal maintenance I am talking
about head torques and valve adjustments as my engine is an older one that has
the solid lifters. I change oil and filter at 25 to 30 hour intervals, using
Aeroshell W100 Plus. Since spark plugs are so cheap when compared with
standard aircraft plugs I don't worry about cleaning and regaping. I just replace
them with new. One other thing I did at the 250 hour point was to replace
rotors, caps and plug wires. They all looked fine, but at the time the
maintenance manual called for them to be changed at 200 hours. That manual has
now changed to "replace as required" wording. Realistically, they are probably
good for at least 300 if not 500 hours.
Hope everyone is thinking forward to Oshkosh.
Blue Skies,
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