---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/09/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:25 AM - Re: Thoughts on new wingtips? (Bruce & Colleen Keen) 2. 03:57 AM - Re: Re: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash (James, Clive R) 3. 05:16 AM - Gila Bend? (EAFerguson@aol.com) 4. 05:34 AM - Gila Bend Gas (EAFerguson@aol.com) 5. 05:58 AM - Re: Gila Bend? (jeynon) 6. 08:35 AM - Re: Gila Bend Gas (Wayne Lenox) 7. 09:00 AM - Re: ENGINE INSTALL page 33-2 (flylightning) 8. 02:33 PM - Re: Gila Bend? (N1BZRich@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:57 AM PST US From: "Bruce & Colleen Keen" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Thoughts on new wingtips? Hi Brian They definitely improve looks, but before I order I need to know more about? e.g attachment - Is it as per original ? With extra wing loading will that be sufficient (if the same)? Additional weight ? What are key benefits or detriments ? Pricing ? Can I trade non fitted ,originals in? Does strobe kit fit these ? Regards BK ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Whittingham To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 5:54 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Thoughts on new wingtips? To all, I want to know what you all think about the new wingtip extensions. Do you like the look of the increased wingspan? Do you like the wingtips and how they flare out at the end? Anybody planning on ordering a set? I want to hear from both sport pilot and non-sport pilot builders alike. I'd like to kind of get a tally of which group wants them more. It's something that will really allow the sport pilots to maximize their aircraft while at the same time, I believe it will allow for non sport pilots to add looks and climb performance, and probably a slight decrease in fuel consumption at cruise. Brian W. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Now you can invite friends from Facebook and other groups to join you on Windows Live=99 Messenger. Add them now! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:10 AM PST US Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash From: "James, Clive R" Daniel, the prop hub is only a short standard one which comes with the engine which I fitted for transportation. It's not Loctited or wire locked. The bolts are the ones supplied with the engine. They are like the flywheel ones so aren't properly shouldered. CJ -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel DW Sent: 08 June 2008 22:01 Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash Clive, I've read about it. Seems to be the extension for the prop that came loose.. On the engine that I bought, did you put on this extension yourself? If yes, were the bolts long enough? What Loctite have you used? Any progress with your Esqual? Regards Danny ________________________________ Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:55:44 +0100 From: clive.james@uk.bp.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Some info to be gleaned from the Jabiru engines lists, CJ -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jhausch Sent: 06 June 2008 15:28 To: lightning-list@matronics.com Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash Respectfully, when might we get some add'l news on this unfortunate accident? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186489#186489 --Doorgestuurd bericht in de bijlage-- Subject: [jabiruengines] Digest Number 3346 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:49:22 +0100 From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com jabiru engines Messages In This Digest (4 Messages) 1.1. Re: Prop Hub From: Pete 1.2. Re: Prop Hub From: Tom Covell 2a. Prop Bolts From: Bill Evans 3. Installing Propellers From: Bill Evans View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1.1. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "Pete" pete@flylightning.net usjabiru Thu Jun 5, 2008 6:03 am (PDT) All kits from Arion aircraft are built as Experimental Amateur Built. They are not eligible for an LSA certificate of any kind. Pete _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:50 PM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Tom, If your plane was built by Arion then it is an S-LSA. If it was built by you then it is probably an E-LSA. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, I don't know if it was an E or S. I also have the 3300 and Sensinich ground adjustable. I guess I didn't realize the prop hub bolts had to be torqued every 25 hours--thanks for the info. Tom _____ From: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:15 AM To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Tom Is you Arion Lightining an S-LSA or E-LSA. If it is an S-LSA I am curious to see what kind of input Arion at Shelbyville has to add. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground adjustable. _____ From: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:00 PM To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub On what kind of airplane was the installation and what kind of prop? Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4 of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of the crankshaft. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow. Lots of speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. Might check yours. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (38) 1.2. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "Tom Covell" tomcovell@theriver.com desertfloats Thu Jun 5, 2008 6:11 am (PDT) Ivan, It wasn't my prop hub that came off. I have a Rans S-6S that I am waiting for the DAR to inspect so I can go fly. I see Joe Hollars got his inspection OK(Congrats) _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 6:50 PM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Tom, If your plane was built by Arion then it is an S-LSA. If it was built by you then it is probably an E-LSA. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, I don't know if it was an E or S. I also have the 3300 and Sensinich ground adjustable. I guess I didn't realize the prop hub bolts had to be torqued every 25 hours--thanks for the info. Tom _____ From: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:15 AM To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Tom Is you Arion Lightining an S-LSA or E-LSA. If it is an S-LSA I am curious to see what kind of input Arion at Shelbyville has to add. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground adjustable. _____ From: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:00 PM To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub On what kind of airplane was the installation and what kind of prop? Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4 of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of the crankshaft. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow. Lots of speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. Might check yours. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (38) 2a. Prop Bolts Posted by: "Bill Evans" wwevans@enter-net.com bil438 Thu Jun 5, 2008 8:45 am (PDT) Someone wrote In a message dated 6/4/2008 2:14:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, imap8ntr@cox.net writes: 180-200 ft-lbs ? Wow! That's a lot! I read the posting to be 180-200 inch pounds not foot pounds. Still it would be helpful to know whether there was a prop extension installed Also the jabiru engine perform best with wooden propellers. This is one of the reasons why . It's very possible that vibration between the ground adjustable prop and the engine caused these bolts to shake loose. I also think it wise to mention that when you lockwire prop bolts you use .050" Inconel Lockwire. They should be lockwired in pairs to prevent embrittlement of the wire. If you lockwire the nuts, you can see the lockwire without removing the spinner. Bill Evans 2200a Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 3. Installing Propellers Posted by: "Bill Evans" wwevans@enter-net.com bil438 Thu Jun 5, 2008 8:48 am (PDT) There is an old EAA Video on Installing Propellers by the Great American Propeller Company. I haven't seen them advertise for years. Anyway I've watched that video numerous times and consider it to be gospel on installing propellers. I highly recommend it. 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Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe --Doorgestuurd bericht in de bijlage-- Subject: [jabiruengines] Digest Number 3345 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:09:25 +0100 From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com jabiru engines Messages In This Digest (22 Messages) 1a. Alternator stator loose From: Ian Clark 1b. Re: Alternator stator loose From: n282rs@satx.rr.com 2.1. Re: Prop Hub From: Greg Bakker 2.2. Re: Prop Hub From: Tom Covell 2.3. Re: Prop Hub From: Tom Covell 2.4. Re: Prop Hub From: Tom Covell 2.5. Re: Prop Hub From: Ivan 2.6. Re: Prop Hub From: Ivan 2.7. Re: Prop Hub From: palmettoe@aol.com 2.8. Re: Prop Hub From: Ivan 2.9. Re: Prop Hub From: Gerald Boughner 2.10. Re: Prop Hub From: Tom Covell 2.11. Re: Prop Hub From: Ivan 2.12. Re: Prop Hub From: Ivan 2.13. Re: Prop Hub From: Pete 2.14. Re: Prop Hub From: Richard Williams 2.15. Re: Prop Hub From: Ivan 2.16. Re: Prop Hub From: palmettoe@aol.com 3. Prop bolts sheared. From: Bill Evans 4. Re: Where are comments from Jabiru USA? From: Ivan 5. when? who? rebuilding the jab 2200 carburator?? From: bill shamblin 6. Fw: ivan-POH weight / balance / IDE4/ ASI From: Ivan View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Alternator stator loose Posted by: "Ian Clark" iclark@rcn.com iancti Wed Jun 4, 2008 4:08 am (PDT) My alternator stator came loose on my last flight it makes a loud whining noise at low rpm that clears when you raise the rpm. There is about 6 clicks per rev when you rotate the prop by hand. I have not checked the extent of the damage yet. I have a 3300 with about 200 hours on it Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 1b. Re: Alternator stator loose Posted by: "n282rs@satx.rr.com" n282rs@satx.rr.com r5t0ut21 Wed Jun 4, 2008 6:33 am (PDT) Ian That happened to me on my way back from Copperstate last year. For me, the whirring noise was only there at lower engine speeds. I noticed it first when I throttled back to land at Ft. Stockton, TX. I took it apart as best I could with the couple of tools I had and it just seemed that a couple of the screws were loose. I just tightened them and continued my fight to San Antonio the next morning. Again the same noise happened when I throttled back to land at home. I disassembled the whole thing and found that 3 of the 4 screws that hold the stator in place had broke off. I didn't see any evidence of the magnets hitting the stator. I had made a bracket to support the Ellison throttle body that I have. The bolts for this bracket attach in a couple of empty holes in the same area, so I wondered if they might have penetrated far enough to distort the stator. I ended up replacing the stator mounting screws with AN-3 bolts and added an extra washer under my Ellison bracket. That way I was sure they didn't hit the stator. I also slid a piece of paper between the magnets and stator to verify that there is clearance all around. Its been working for about 30 hours now and I keep a close eye on it. Randy Stout San Antonio TX www.geocities.com/n282rs -----Original Message----- From: "Ian Clark" > Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:11:03 To: > Subject: [jabiruengines] Alternator stator loose My alternator stator came loose on my last flight it makes a loud whining noise at low rpm that clears when you raise the rpm. There is about 6 clicks per rev when you rotate the prop by hand. I have not checked the extent of the damage yet. I have a 3300 with about 200 hours on it Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 2.1. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "Greg Bakker" gregbakker@hotkey.net.au gregbakker2001 Wed Jun 4, 2008 5:50 am (PDT) What aircraft/propeller combination is this, tractor or pusher? I assume you are talking about the standard Jabiru 2" extension as you mention that bolts were "pulled out of the crankshaft" These would have been lock wired would they not? So would torque be an issue? Unless they were torqued incorrectly at installation. We need some more information here I feel. Greg Bakker Hamilton, Victoria Australia www.varieze.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Covell" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub > We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4 of > the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of the crankshaft. I > understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow. Lots of > speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. > Might check yours. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > __________ NOD32 3156 (20080603) Information __________ > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (36) 2.2. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "Tom Covell" tomcovell@theriver.com desertfloats Wed Jun 4, 2008 10:27 am (PDT) Ivan, An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground adjustable. _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:00 PM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub On what kind of airplane was the installation and what kind of prop? Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4 of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of the crankshaft. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow. Lots of speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. Might check yours. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (36) 2.3. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "Tom Covell" tomcovell@theriver.com desertfloats Wed Jun 4, 2008 10:28 am (PDT) Yes it was the flange coming off the crankshaft and yes it was safety wired. _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of John Lamb Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:56 AM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub And was it the hub of the prop coming off the flange, or the flange coming off the crankshaft? I assume from the reference to Loctite that it was the latter. Were the nuts lock wired? John Lamb On 04/06/2008, at 2:00 PM, Ivan wrote: > On what kind of airplane was the installation and what kind of prop? > Ivan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Covell > To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM > Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub > > We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4 of > the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of the crankshaft. I > understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow. Lots of > speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. > Might check yours. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (36) 2.4. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "Tom Covell" tomcovell@theriver.com desertfloats Wed Jun 4, 2008 10:34 am (PDT) Gregg, It was a tractor installation. It was lock wired and because, as I understand it, the bolts are "loose fit" it seems that the torque and Loc-tite would be an issue. _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Greg Bakker Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:50 AM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub What aircraft/propeller combination is this, tractor or pusher? I assume you are talking about the standard Jabiru 2" extension as you mention that bolts were "pulled out of the crankshaft" These would have been lock wired would they not? So would torque be an issue? Unless they were torqued incorrectly at installation. We need some more information here I feel. Greg Bakker Hamilton, Victoria Australia www.varieze.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Covell" com> To: yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub > We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4 of > the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of the crankshaft. I > understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow. Lots of > speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. > Might check yours. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > __________ NOD32 3156 (20080603) Information __________ > com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (36) 2.5. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "Ivan" imap8ntr@cox.net ivanbrauer Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:13 am (PDT) I have a Sensinich prop ground adjustable on my J-250 which is a S-LSA built by USA Jabiru. The Sensinich manual says to torque the mounting bolts to 180-200 ft-lbs only annually. The hub bolts are torqued each 25 hrs. I have done the hub bolts many times and never had broken the torque. I spoke to the mechanic who did my annual and he said that the mounting bolts did have to be tightened but nothing out of the ordinary. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground adjustable. _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:00 PM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub On what kind of airplane was the installation and what kind of prop? Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4 of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of the crankshaft. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow. Lots of speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. Might check yours. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (36) 2.6. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "Ivan" imap8ntr@cox.net ivanbrauer Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:15 am (PDT) Tom Is you Arion Lightining an S-LSA or E-LSA. If it is an S-LSA I am curious to see what kind of input Arion at Shelbyville has to add. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground adjustable. _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:00 PM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub On what kind of airplane was the installation and what kind of prop? Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4 of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of the crankshaft. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow. Lots of speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. Might check yours. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (36) 2.7. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "palmettoe@aol.com" palmettoe@aol.com palmettoe Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:17 am (PDT) In a message dated 6/4/2008 2:14:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, imap8ntr@cox.net writes: 180-200 ft-lbs ? Wow! That's a lot! **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (36) 2.8. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "Ivan" imap8ntr@cox.net ivanbrauer Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:27 am (PDT) Sorry, in-lbs. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: palmettoe@aol.com To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub In a message dated 6/4/2008 2:14:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, imap8ntr@cox.net writes: 180-200 ft-lbs ? Wow! That's a lot! **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (36) 2.9. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "Gerald Boughner" silverflier2000@yahoo.com silverflier2000 Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:29 am (PDT) According to Jabiru's instructions on installing the prop flange: the 6 -3/8" UNF bolts should be torqued to 30 ft/lbs or 40 Nm in a criss cross pattern. Ivan > wrote: I have a Sensinich prop ground adjustable on my J-250 which is a S-LSA built by USA Jabiru. The Sensinich manual says to torque the mounting bolts to 180-200 ft-lbs only annually. The hub bolts are torqued each 25 hrs. I have done the hub bolts many times and never had broken the torque. I spoke to the mechanic who did my annual and he said that the mounting bolts did have to be tightened but nothing out of the ordinary. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground adjustable. _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:00 PM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub On what kind of airplane was the installation and what kind of prop? Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4 of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of the crankshaft. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow. Lots of speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. Might check yours. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (36) 2.10. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "Tom Covell" tomcovell@theriver.com desertfloats Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:47 am (PDT) Ivan, I don't know if it was an E or S. I also have the 3300 and Sensinich ground adjustable. I guess I didn't realize the prop hub bolts had to be torqued every 25 hours--thanks for the info. Tom _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:15 AM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Tom Is you Arion Lightining an S-LSA or E-LSA. If it is an S-LSA I am curious to see what kind of input Arion at Shelbyville has to add. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground adjustable. _____ From: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:00 PM To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub On what kind of airplane was the installation and what kind of prop? Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4 of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of the crankshaft. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow. Lots of speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. Might check yours. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (36) 2.11. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "Ivan" imap8ntr@cox.net ivanbrauer Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:56 am (PDT) Gerald, Maybe we are talking about two different things. The Sensinich manual says that the bolts mounting the propeller hub to the engine mounting flange should be torqued to 180-200 in lbs. I see in the Jabiru Engine manual that it says to torque the flang bolts to 30 ft-lbs. Maybe the mounting bolts that Sensinich is talking about attatched the hub to the flange and the Jabiru 30 ft-lb torqued bolts are those attatching the flange to the engine shaft and not the prob hub? Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Boughner To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub According to Jabiru's instructions on installing the prop flange: the 6 -3/8" UNF bolts should be torqued to 30 ft/lbs or 40 Nm in a criss cross pattern. Ivan > wrote: I have a Sensinich prop ground adjustable on my J-250 which is a S-LSA built by USA Jabiru. The Sensinich manual says to torque the mounting bolts to 180-200 ft-lbs only annually. The hub bolts are torqued each 25 hrs. I have done the hub bolts many times and never had broken the torque. I spoke to the mechanic who did my annual and he said that the mounting bolts did have to be tightened but nothing out of the ordinary. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground adjustable. _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:00 PM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub On what kind of airplane was the installation and what kind of prop? Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4 of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of the crankshaft. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow. Lots of speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. Might check yours. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (36) 2.12. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "Ivan" imap8ntr@cox.net ivanbrauer Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:58 am (PDT) Tom Here is the literature I got with the Sensinich ground adjustable composite prop: see attatched. Make sure it is the right one applying to your prop. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, I don't know if it was an E or S. I also have the 3300 and Sensinich ground adjustable. I guess I didn't realize the prop hub bolts had to be torqued every 25 hours--thanks for the info. Tom _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:15 AM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Tom Is you Arion Lightining an S-LSA or E-LSA. If it is an S-LSA I am curious to see what kind of input Arion at Shelbyville has to add. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground adjustable. _____ From: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:00 PM To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub On what kind of airplane was the installation and what kind of prop? Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4 of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of the crankshaft. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow. Lots of speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. Might check yours. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (36) 2.13. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "Pete" pete@flylightning.net usjabiru Wed Jun 4, 2008 4:49 pm (PDT) Attention all Jabiru Engine list members, By Thursday morning I will have the correct procedure for installing prop hub extensions on Jabiru engines posted on www.usjabiru.com > in the engine manuals section on the support & service page. That procedure is currently posted at www.jabiru.net.au > under the manuals section in the Airframe Construction Manuals Update table. If you have not installed your prop hub extension using the torque values and sealants specified in the procedure (or in section 12 of the engine manual) you might consider doing it over exactly by the procedure. At this time we have no information as to the cause of the hub leaving the aircraft in Arizona but will be visiting with the NTSB investigator tomorrow. We will pass on any information that the NTSB will authorize. In the mean time, review the procedure from Jabiru and take the action you deem appropriate -- especially if you have not installed the extension with the sealant and torque values specified in the procedure and Section 12 of the engine manual.. Pete Krotje Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 1:56 PM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Gerald, Maybe we are talking about two different things. The Sensinich manual says that the bolts mounting the propeller hub to the engine mounting flange should be torqued to 180-200 in lbs. I see in the Jabiru Engine manual that it says to torque the flang bolts to 30 ft-lbs. Maybe the mounting bolts that Sensinich is talking about attatched the hub to the flange and the Jabiru 30 ft-lb torqued bolts are those attatching the flange to the engine shaft and not the prob hub? Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Boughner To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub According to Jabiru's instructions on installing the prop flange: the 6 -3/8" UNF bolts should be torqued to 30 ft/lbs or 40 Nm in a criss cross pattern. Ivan net> wrote: I have a Sensinich prop ground adjustable on my J-250 which is a S-LSA built by USA Jabiru. The Sensinich manual says to torque the mounting bolts to 180-200 ft-lbs only annually. The hub bolts are torqued each 25 hrs. I have done the hub bolts many times and never had broken the torque. I spoke to the mechanic who did my annual and he said that the mounting bolts did have to be tightened but nothing out of the ordinary. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground adjustable. _____ From: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:00 PM To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub On what kind of airplane was the installation and what kind of prop? Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4 of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of the crankshaft. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow. Lots of speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. Might check yours. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (36) 2.14. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "Richard Williams" rkwill@lewiscounty.com rkwill98356 Wed Jun 4, 2008 5:20 pm (PDT) Palm, others, I suspect the actual value is more like 180-200 INCH pounds rather than foot pounds 180 foot pounds is 2160 inch pounds! I think that NOTHING on the jab should be that tight (2160 inch pounds), including the prop. R. Williams ---------- Original Message ----------- From: palmettoe@aol.com To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:17:15 EDT Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub > In a message dated 6/4/2008 2:14:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > imap8ntr@cox.net writes: > > 180-200 ft-lbs ? Wow! That's a lot! > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002 ) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------- End of Original Message ------- Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (36) 2.15. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "Ivan" imap8ntr@cox.net ivanbrauer Wed Jun 4, 2008 6:50 pm (PDT) Tom, If your plane was built by Arion then it is an S-LSA. If it was built by you then it is probably an E-LSA. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, I don't know if it was an E or S. I also have the 3300 and Sensinich ground adjustable. I guess I didn't realize the prop hub bolts had to be torqued every 25 hours--thanks for the info. Tom _____ From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:15 AM To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Tom Is you Arion Lightining an S-LSA or E-LSA. If it is an S-LSA I am curious to see what kind of input Arion at Shelbyville has to add. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub Ivan, An Arion Lightining and a Sensinich ground adjustable. _____ From: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:00 PM To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub On what kind of airplane was the installation and what kind of prop? Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4 of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of the crankshaft. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow. Lots of speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. Might check yours. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (36) 2.16. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "palmettoe@aol.com" palmettoe@aol.com palmettoe Thu Jun 5, 2008 2:22 am (PDT) I felt such was the case, just wanted to make everyone aware, thanks John Matthews www.usxair.com In a message dated 6/4/2008 8:21:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rkwill@lewiscounty.com writes: Palm, others, I suspect the actual value is more like 180-200 INCH pounds rather than foot pounds 180 foot pounds is 2160 inch pounds! I think that NOTHING on the jab should be that tight (2160 inch pounds), including the prop. R. Williams ---------- Original Message ----------- From: _palmettoe@aol.pal _ (mailto:palmettoe@aol.com ) To: _jabiruengines@jabiruenginejab_ (mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com ) Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:17:15 EDT Subject: Re: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub > In a message dated 6/4/2008 2:14:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _imap8ntr@cox.ima _ (mailto:imap8ntr@cox.net ) writes: > > 180-200 ft-lbs ? Wow! That's a lot! > > ************ **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Wa > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (_http://food.http://food. NCID=aolfodNCID_ (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002 ) ) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------- End of Original Message ------- **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (36) 3. Prop bolts sheared. Posted by: "Bill Evans" wwevans@enter-net.com bil438 Wed Jun 4, 2008 6:54 am (PDT) The only 6 bolt installation I can think of at the front of the engine would be the Prop bolts. As I see it the possibilities/ contributing factors are: 1. Bogus bolts and or Bogus nuts. (I found one at Sun & Fun) 2. Bolt shanks nicked or damaged in service. 2. Improper torque/ Torque not checked (every 25 hours on wooden props.) I found one bolt at 5 ft lbs last time. 3. No Safety devices, ie no lockwire. 4. Prop bushings "climbed" into the wooden prop. 5 Steel bushings incorrectly installed. 6. Nuts bottomed on bolt shanks inducing failure. I found 2 prop bolts with circumferential score marks after I backed them out with a ratchet. These marks would be eliminated if the bolts were driven straight in and straight out. Also the nuts should be torqued while the bolts held still. However the 4 sheared bolts suggest that factors 1 and 6 are more likely causes. One precaution is to determine the exact length needed and buy your bolts from the propeller maker. Bill Evans Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 4. Re: Where are comments from Jabiru USA? Posted by: "Ivan" imap8ntr@cox.net ivanbrauer Wed Jun 4, 2008 10:09 am (PDT) Anyone know where Pete from Jabiru USA is? Havent heard any comments from him in a while. Some concerns of mine were also emailed to Jabiru USA and have not gotten an answer. I wonder if he monitors the jabiruengines group anymore? Ivan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 5. when? who? rebuilding the jab 2200 carburator?? Posted by: "bill shamblin" bshamblin2002@yahoo.com bshamblin2002 Wed Jun 4, 2008 3:14 pm (PDT) flyers, ive started studying my jabiru/bing setup and wonder if the carburator should come off and be rebuilt at some point even if there are no problems?? ( i only have 45 hrs now. ) is this in the literature somewhere? what should be the timing of having the carb rebuilt?? months? flight hours? wait for trouble? who might be specialized in doing a good job with this?? thanks, bill s. in nc Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 6. Fw: ivan-POH weight / balance / IDE4/ ASI Posted by: "Ivan" imap8ntr@cox.net ivanbrauer Wed Jun 4, 2008 6:38 pm (PDT) Hi Pete, J-250 owners I have three questions so I am combining them in this email: 1. I noticed that the note that you sent with the new POH and also table 4-3 states to use the appropriate values from the W/B record. I noticed that many of the arms in the POH are also different. I am assuming to always use the ARMS too that came with my actual W/B record for my actual serial number airplane? 2. I was changing the voltage alarm setting on the Grand Rapids EIS and somehow goofed on something. I must have pressed some wrong button after inputting my min volt of 12.4 in the Display 1 bank. I came to a screen that went through Display on the right and going from #1 to 11 on the left. I figured that I would just scroll through and not change anything hoping to return to my default start up page. Instead it kept on scrolling through settings ie: fuel flow, tach, aux1........6, and IDE1, IDE2, IDE3, IDE4, etc. I mistakingly changed the setting on the IDE4 I think one lower. I did not know for sure what IDE4 was set at or what it was so I did not fool with it until I found out. Do you know what IDE4 should be set at and what it is?. It can be found in the Display bank #2. Display #1 looks like it is the normal settings which are shown on the efis in case of an alarm, ie voltage min/max, CHT's, EGT's, Display #2 looked all Greek to me. If there is no IDE4 maybe it is 1D4? 3. Ever since I got my airplane I have had a difference in the indicated airspeed readings of the UMA guage and the EFIS. It took me a while to learn how the EFIS works so I did not make any ealier comments. My steam guage reads consistently 4-6 KIAS less than the EFIS indicated airspeed. I have been flying by the EFIS readings since the plane flies well at that speed and I did not want to error by following the steam guage and flying slow on final approach. It seems like when I am doing slow flight the stall horn sounds about right @6 kts above stall speed and I am not stalled. The steam guage indicates that I am about to stall (the best I can tell.) Because of this I am assuming that the EFIS is accurate and that the steam guage is off. Does this assumption sound right to you? Any other ideas would be welcome. I have learned to trust my EFIS because it is such a great unit so I think the EFIS is probably right. Also I am going to try flying upwind and down wind, adding the indicated airspeeds, divide by 2 and see if this figure matches the GPS EFIS groundspeed. I think this should tell which is accurate? Thanks Ivan Ivan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity * 9 New Members * 2 New Photos Visit Your Group Y! Sports for TV Game Day Companion Live fantasy league & game stats on TV. Yahoo! News Fashion News What's the word on fashion and style? Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Need to Reply? Click one of the "Reply" links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest. 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Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/cal Rocky Mountain Tandem Wing Fly-In Friday June 6, 2008 9:00 am - 10:00 am Location: KCPR Casper, Wy Notes: Friday, Saturday, and Sunday All Rights Reserved Copyright (c) 2008 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com > Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 2b. Re: Rocky Mountain Tandem Wing Fly-In, 6/6/2008, 9:00 am Posted by: "n02ez" Reggie@hdwireless.net n02ez Tue Jun 3, 2008 1:31 pm (PDT) > > Reminder from: jabiruengines Yahoo! Group > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/cal > > Rocky Mountain Tandem Wing Fly-In > Friday June 6, 2008 > 9:00 am - 10:00 am > Location: KCPR Casper, Wy >******************************************* Re: Rocky Mountain Tandem Wing Fly-in (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dragonflylist/message/19724 ) Well, it is moot now but the fly-in was planned for next weekend here in Casper, WY. The next fly-in planned as far as I know for the Dragonflies and Quickie's will be in KS it is the main event for these airplanes. Check out last years website at http://www.tandemwing.com/fodfly-in.htm I am not sure that Spud has finalised the dates for this year. Spud, if you are on the list how about an update? Paul Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 3. RPM Posted by: "Garth Knowles" garthknowles@yahoo.com garthknowles Tue Jun 3, 2008 8:01 am (PDT) In my 3300 installation manual (hydraulic lifter model), in Section 15 Propeller Selection, it says "do not cruise or climb in the range of 2100 - 2400 rpm". I can see that climb should be at or close to full power, but what is the issue with cruise at this power setting? Is this common for any engine or unique to the Jab? Thx Garth Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 4a. Prop Hub Posted by: "Tom Covell" tomcovell@theriver.com desertfloats Tue Jun 3, 2008 7:01 pm (PDT) We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4 of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of the crankshaft. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow. Lots of speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. Might check yours. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (20) 4b. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "Ivan" imap8ntr@cox.net ivanbrauer Tue Jun 3, 2008 9:00 pm (PDT) On what kind of airplane was the installation and what kind of prop? Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Covell To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4 of the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of the crankshaft. I understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow. Lots of speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. Might check yours. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (20) 4c. Re: Prop Hub Posted by: "John Lamb" jlamb@tpg.com.au zzjlamb Wed Jun 4, 2008 12:56 am (PDT) And was it the hub of the prop coming off the flange, or the flange coming off the crankshaft? I assume from the reference to Loctite that it was the latter. Were the nuts lock wired? John Lamb On 04/06/2008, at 2:00 PM, Ivan wrote: > On what kind of airplane was the installation and what kind of prop? > Ivan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Covell > To: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM > Subject: [jabiruengines] Prop Hub > > We had a prop hub come off of a 3300. Preliminary info is that 4 of > the bolts were sheared and two were pulled out of the crankshaft. I > understand that Jabiru engineers are looking at it tomorrow. Lots of > speculation including proper Loc-tite (blue?) and proper torque. > Might check yours. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (20) Recent Activity * 9 New Members * 2 New Photos Visit Your Group Y! Sports for TV Access it for free Get Fantasy Sports stats on your TV. Yahoo! News Odd News You won't believe it, but it's true Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Need to Reply? Click one of the "Reply" links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest. 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________________________________ Even niet achter je PC? Neem je Messenger mee op je gsm! Messenger voor Mobile ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:58 AM PST US From: EAFerguson@aol.com Subject: Lightning-List: Gila Bend? In a message dated 6/8/2008 7:30:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, waynelenox@juno.com writes: Gary My airport is AZ05. Gila Bend AZ. I will not be there until November with N123WL. Hope to finish build by end of June. My wife and I are in Shelbyville,TN for summer and it is very HOT. Wayne Wayne, You're from Gila Bend and Shelbyville is hot???? Humid maybe?? Expect to hear from Buz about Gila Bend if you haven't already. Earl Ferguson Atlanta at about 75 F and 90% RH at 8 AM. We'll hit 90+ today with maybe some rain. **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:06 AM PST US From: EAFerguson@aol.com Subject: Lightning-List: Gila Bend Gas Wayne, I forgot to ask where you get 100LL. Last summer's Airport Directory didn't show fuel available. Earl Ferguson **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:25 AM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Gila Bend? From: "jeynon" Living in Southern Illinois, I've discovered that it's not so much the temperature but the dew point that tells you what you need to know. When watching the weather forecasts, I look more at the overnight lows, than the afternoon highs, to determine how many shirts I'll need the next day. John Eynon Lightning kit #53 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186956#186956 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:21 AM PST US From: "Wayne Lenox" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Gila Bend Gas Earl No fuel at Lakeside. I would stop on my way in at Buckeye KBXK. I am t he only airplane Parked at AZ05. There are two others that fly in on th e weekend. AZ05 is not open to the public, however I can give you permi sssion at any time to stop by. Wayne -- EAFerguson@aol.com wrote: Wayne, I forgot to ask where you get 100LL. Last summer's Airport Direct ory didn't show fuel available. Earl Ferguson Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florenc ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ____________________________________________________________ Take a break - you deserve it. Click here to find a great vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nJgx8OETDDC4GxFw0P06s jEnB0Kugtq2CQOFD7oJ12re7S7/ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:45 AM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: ENGINE INSTALL page 33-2 We had thought about that, but I think the only change would be to "read your installation instructions in the jabiru engine manual for proper install" because I do not want to get it wrong or if they changed something. This is the same for any product used on your aircraft that is not provided by the airframe manufacturer. Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: Lightning-List: ENGINE INSTALL page 33-2 The manual on page 33-2 states to be sure to install the 2" prop extension before installing the cowlings. This might be a good place to include the proper methods and the Locktight # for this procedure. Tex ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:33:13 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Gila Bend? In a message dated 6/9/2008 8:17:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, EAFerguson@aol.com writes: Expect to hear from Buz about Gila Bend if you haven't already. Hi Earl and all Lightning listers, Wayne and I talked about Gila Bend and his private strip (with a water skiing lake) while we were both in SYI some time ago. His strip is located about half way between Gila Bend and Buckeye. His place is new, because it was not there while I was the base commander at the Gila Bend ranges. At the time the only airport close was Pierce near Buckeye. While there I kept my Bonanza at the base and used it to fly to and from staff meetings at Luke several times a week. Made for a 15 min. flight verses a 1+15 drive in my staff car. Kept the Pitts at Litchfield Park just south of Luke. Anyway, Wayne and Nell's place looks to be kind of "isolated" which would make for a great flying location with no neighbors to worry about when doing high speed formation fly bys, etc.. Perfect place. Maybe we could talk them into hosting a "western" Lightning fly-in at sometime in the future. And speaking of "hosting", Wayne you might talk to the current Gila Bend commander and get him to host a fly-in there. I did that while I was there and opened up the base for any EAA member to fly into the base and we had a picnic for them and gave them a mission brief on all that goes on at the ranges. The EAA chapters in the area seemed to really enjoy the event. Also did one later for the Flying Farmers. Here is some more "just for grins" information: N31BZ now has just over 450 hours in the last 2 &1/2 years. I passed that total time Saturday morning flying over to Wakefield to meet with Joe and Linda. I think she now has about 80 hours on 59JL. We were doing some airspeed runs with the new FK blade profile prop she has on JL now. One other thought on 31BZ - in the 450 hours flown I have had absolutely no engine or airframe problems. I run the engine fairly hard (as most of you know) and have only done normal maintenance, oil and filter changes, and new spark plugs about every 100 hours. By normal maintenance I am talking about head torques and valve adjustments as my engine is an older one that has the solid lifters. I change oil and filter at 25 to 30 hour intervals, using Aeroshell W100 Plus. Since spark plugs are so cheap when compared with standard aircraft plugs I don't worry about cleaning and regaping. I just replace them with new. One other thing I did at the 250 hour point was to replace rotors, caps and plug wires. They all looked fine, but at the time the maintenance manual called for them to be changed at 200 hours. That manual has now changed to "replace as required" wording. Realistically, they are probably good for at least 300 if not 500 hours. Hope everyone is thinking forward to Oshkosh. Blue Skies, Buz **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. 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