---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/27/08: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:02 AM - Re: July Newsletter and other ramblings (Brian Whittingham) 2. 07:05 AM - July Newsletter and other ramblings (Pete) 3. 07:48 AM - July Newsletter is "Up and Flying" (N1BZRich@aol.com) 4. 08:02 AM - Re: July Newsletter is "Up and Flying" (Kayberg@aol.com) 5. 08:15 AM - Re: July Newsletter and other ramblings (N1BZRich@aol.com) 6. 08:19 AM - Re: July Newsletter is "Up and Flying" (N1BZRich@aol.com) 7. 08:19 AM - Re: July Newsletter is "Up and Flying" (Jim Langley) 8. 11:35 AM - Esqual test flying-Update (James, Clive R) 9. 03:18 PM - Airports free of landing fees? (Benjamin Smith) 10. 05:34 PM - Re: Airports free of landing fees? (Jim Langley) 11. 05:43 PM - tease (Tex Mantell) 12. 06:20 PM - Re: tease (Jim Langley) 13. 08:01 PM - Re: tease (Colin J. Kennedy) 14. 09:00 PM - Re: tease (Steven Sundquist) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:20 AM PST US From: Brian Whittingham Subject: RE: Lightning-List: July Newsletter and other ramblings Buz, I've got a couple articles for a future newsletter that I'll send to you in a couple of weeks when I get a chance to look back over them. Bria n W. _________________________________________________________________ The i=92m Talkathon starts 6/24/08.- For now, give amongst yourselves. http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnMore_GiveAmongst ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:01 AM PST US From: "Pete" Subject: Lightning-List: July Newsletter and other ramblings The July Newsletter is posted at www.flylightning.net Pete ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:36 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Lightning-List: July Newsletter is "Up and Flying" Lightning Group, The latest Arion Hangar Talk (the Lightning Newsletter) is now posted at both the Lightning Web site (_www.flylightning.net_ (http://www.flylightning.net) ) and at Jim Langley's site (_http://www.jimslightning.com/html/newsletters.html_ (http://www.jimslightning.com/html/newsletters.html) ). The featured article is a flight evaluation / report on the new 2008 demo, plus an update on the new wing tips. There is also a new section called "Technical Tips". Take a look at this and see if you think the info presented is "right on target". As always, I really appreciate any and all feedback (both positive of negative) with the thought that is the way to keep the newsletter informative. Actually I already have one feedback that it is too long this month. Linda continues to do an outstanding job of proof reading for us and believe me when I say her many hours of effort to correct the newsletter are worth big bucks. Without her work you would be seeing many many typos, misspelled words, and other typical fighter pilot grammar. So once again, a salute to Linda for outstanding work, well above the "call of duty". Now read the newsletter and give me some feedback (and some articles to publish). Blue Skies, Buz **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:51 AM PST US From: Kayberg@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: July Newsletter is "Up and Flying" In a message dated 6/27/2008 10:49:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich@aol.com writes: Lightning Group, The latest Arion Hangar Talk (the Lightning Newsletter) is now posted at both the Lightning Web site (_www.flylightning.net_ (http://www.flylightning.net/) ) and at Jim Langley's site (_http://www.jimslightning.com/html/newsletters.html_ (http://www.jimslightning.com/html/newsletters.html) ). The featured article is a flight evaluation / report on the new 2008 demo, plus an update on the new wing tips. There is also a new section called "Technical Tips". Take a look at this and see if you think the info presented is "right on target". As always, I really appreciate any and all feedback (both positive of negative) with the thought that is the way to keep the newsletter informative. Actually I already have one feedback that it is too long this month. Linda continues to do an outstanding job of proof reading for us and believe me when I say her many hours of effort to correct the newsletter are worth big bucks. Without her work you would be seeing many many typos, misspelled words, and other typical fighter pilot grammar. So once again, a salute to Linda for outstanding work, well above the "call of duty". Now read the newsletter and give me some feedback (and some articles to publish). Blue Skies, Buz My response: I was having trouble getting to sleep for my morning nap, so I started reading the latest newsletter. Usually "newsletters" should be called "sleep aids", so I had high hopes.....since it was rather lengthy. No joy. I finished it and am still awake. Thanks to all the people who contribute. The letters, good editing, careful flight reports and a wide selection of topics make "Arion Hangar Talk" worthy of journalistic award. It really is a remarkable effort. Doug Koenigsberg **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:38 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: July Newsletter and other ramblings Thanks, Brian. I really appreciate your efforts. Send them when you can. Actually I will probably need something for the August issue since I will be strapped for time when I get back from Oshkosh. Buz **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:14 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: July Newsletter is "Up and Flying" In a message dated 6/27/2008 11:03:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Kayberg@aol.com writes: It really is a remarkable effort. Awh, thanks, Mom. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:40 AM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: July Newsletter is "Up and Flying" Agreed Doug: The only problem is that I was late for work this morning because I couldn't stop reading it! I kept saying to myself, "ok, only one more page, oops, ok, only one more page".... On 6/27/08, Kayberg@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/27/2008 10:49:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > N1BZRich@aol.com writes: > > Lightning Group, > The latest Arion Hangar Talk (the Lightning Newsletter) is now posted > at both the Lightning Web site (www.flylightning.net) and at Jim Langley's > site (http://www.jimslightning.com/html/newsletters.html). The featured > article is a flight evaluation / report on the new 2008 demo, plus an update > on the new wing tips. There is also a new section called "Technical Tips". > Take a look at this and see if you think the info presented is "right on > target". As always, I really appreciate any and all feedback (both positive > of negative) with the thought that is the way to keep the newsletter > informative. Actually I already have one feedback that it is too long this > month. Linda continues to do an outstanding job of proof reading for us and > believe me when I say her many hours of effort to correct the > newsletter are worth big bucks. Without her work you would be seeing many > many typos, misspelled words, and other typical fighter pilot grammar. So > once again, a salute to Linda for outstanding work, well above the "call of > duty". > Now read the newsletter and give me some feedback (and some articles to > publish). > Blue Skies, > Buz > > > My response: > I was having trouble getting to sleep for my morning nap, so I started > reading the latest newsletter. Usually "newsletters" should be called > "sleep aids", so I had high hopes.....since it was rather lengthy. > > No joy. > > I finished it and am still awake. > > Thanks to all the people who contribute. The letters, good editing, > careful flight reports and a wide selection of topics make "Arion Hangar > Talk" worthy of journalistic award. > > It really is a remarkable effort. > > Doug Koenigsberg > > > ------------------------------ > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars > . > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:16 AM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Esqual test flying-Update From: "James, Clive R" All the discussion about the new bungee less trim has been very timely for me.... Firstly, thanks again for the feedback and tips from both the US and Australia, I was going up a rat hole in the wrong direction, after reading 4 E mails I was quickly in possession of the info to get to where we did today. Malcolm, in Australia, has the same system as me and has it sorted so his instructions were invaluable. I've been very lucky to get Stan Hodgkins to test my plane, Stan flew for her majesty and then for an awful lot of other folk and nowadays displays his RV8 at air shows in the UK. He patiently checked out the different configurations and adjustments for me. We flew today with a fixed tab on the trailing edge of the elevator giving enough up elevator to fly in trim at 85 knots. The bungees at the rear (pulling up elevator) were set up with very little effect just enough to support the elevator's weight (and a bit) as recommended by Malcolm (and suggested by Earl for the new system as it happens). The front bungees on the manual system are in between the front seats and pull on the linkage that goes from under the panel to the seat backs, the 'pull' give nose down elevator. These I set so they did nothing with the lever back and put some nose down trim when forward. The positive stability was proven in this configuration and I let out a big sigh. Next I added a second fixed tab to increase the up elevator trim so an approach could be flown 'in trim'. I tensioned the manual trim bungees a little more so nose down trim could be added as the plane speed was increased. Second flight showed good characteristics and we now had a better spread of trim speed. Certainly enough for me to get converted onto the Esqual however the fickle English weather was having none of it and after flying two approaches and one take off I decided I need a smooth day and not 15k gusting 25 with some serious thermic activity thrown in. My home field also has the hangar in the middle of the runway and landing 'down the side' adds another element that wasn't helping. Whilst I made a hash of the second landing (I only did two) I recalled Buz's comments about 'calibrating my hand', my brain was directing Jabiru type inputs and the plane was doing completely other stuff of course. I put the Esqual away and fetched the trusty Jabiru out to take Stan back to his home field. It's clear to me that fitting the Lightning trim system is essential to getting positive support from the LAA so I'm hoping to get hold of one ASAP from Arion. Many thanks again for all the comments, help and encouragement. I feel I've got there at last after today so am relaxing with a cold one by way of celebration. The stability issue has always worried me, the LAA chief engineer flew with Francesc in Moia in 2004 and discovered it so I knew it had to be right to get anywhere at all with UK approval. I still have some way to go yet but that particular hurdle has been jumped. Whether the problem was W+B or bungee induced I don't know. They did fit a large steel hub behind the propeller to get the C of G forward and that helped, this was with the Rotax of course. History now of course though you maybe interested to hear Esqual production is planned to restart in Sweden any time soon. The plane will be a ULM again (microlite). I'll shortly be after updated flying hours for the Esquals in the world so I have the biggest number to add to the case for re-review of the type. Best regards to everyone from England, Clive P.S. Nick has just E mailed to tell me he'll get a trim kit packed up shortly, brilliant service! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:15 PM PST US From: Benjamin Smith Subject: Lightning-List: Airports free of landing fees? I'm a private pilot in the United States where landing fees are (mostly) not a consideration. But I understand that they can be a big consideration in areas like the Europe, and that people who have a private airport willingly invite others to land free of fees. So, I had the idea of putting together some kind of website as a compendium of such private "no landing fees" airports, and letting people register their airports as such. Is there a need for such a tool? Should I bother to build it, or do you think it would most likely just wither? For those who have a private airstrip, would you want to put YOUR airstrip in such a compendium? Why or why not? Thanks in advance, -Ben -- "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return." -- Leonardo da Vinci -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:23 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Airports free of landing fees? Sounds like a great project. If you are talking about US airports, AOPA and some others have the some resources that tell you if an airport has landing fees, but a bunch of other useful information. You might want to check out those resources before starting. -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Benjamin Smith Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Airports free of landing fees? I'm a private pilot in the United States where landing fees are (mostly) not a consideration. But I understand that they can be a big consideration in areas like the Europe, and that people who have a private airport willingly invite others to land free of fees. So, I had the idea of putting together some kind of website as a compendium of such private "no landing fees" airports, and letting people register their airports as such. Is there a need for such a tool? Should I bother to build it, or do you think it would most likely just wither? For those who have a private airstrip, would you want to put YOUR airstrip in such a compendium? Why or why not? Thanks in advance, -Ben -- "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return." -- Leonardo da Vinci -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:31 PM PST US From: "Tex Mantell" Subject: Lightning-List: tease Jim, my turn to tease. Tex ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:53 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: tease Ooooooo, that is looking nice! From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 8:30 PM Subject: Lightning-List: tease Jim, my turn to tease. Tex ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:52 PM PST US From: "Colin J. Kennedy" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: tease Tex, That does not look like a DIY paint job! Colin K. OK Lightning # 52 under construction. http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: Lightning-List: tease Jim, my turn to tease. Tex ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:45 PM PST US From: "Steven Sundquist" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: tease That is rich. Looks like dark chocolate cake with mousse filling or an elegant latte'. I just finished dinner, I'm thinking of dessert. Tex, that looks good enough to eat. I can't wait to see the rest. Steve #48 _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: Lightning-List: tease Jim, my turn to tease. 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