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1. 06:40 AM - Re: Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA (flylightning)
2. 06:45 AM - Re: It sure is quiet in here (flylightning)
3. 06:54 AM - Kit # 34? (EAFerguson@AOL.COM)
4. 07:03 AM - Re: Kit # 34? (Mefford, Walt)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: Kit # 34? (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
6. 07:25 AM - Moving forward with flight testing for N730AL (Jim Langley)
7. 09:10 AM - Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA (Steve)
8. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: Esqual-Lightning real cruise for best MPG (EAFerguson@AOL.COM)
9. 09:48 AM - Re: Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA (flylightning)
10. 09:55 AM - Re: Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA (Mefford, Walt)
11. 10:49 AM - Re: Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
12. 11:06 AM - Re: Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA (Jim Langley)
13. 11:06 AM - Re: Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA (Jim Langley)
14. 01:47 PM - Gap seal tap for Lightning wing (Jim Langley)
15. 03:33 PM - Service Bulletin on prop flanges (James, Clive R)
16. 03:33 PM - Re: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing (Brian Whittingham)
17. 03:41 PM - Re: Kit # 34? (EAFerguson@aol.com)
18. 03:50 PM - Re: Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA (Brian Whittingham)
19. 03:51 PM - Re: Service Bulletin on prop flanges (Brian Whittingham)
20. 03:58 PM - You'll remember the last time this happened (James, Clive R)
21. 04:20 PM - Re: Service Bulletin on prop flanges (James, Clive R)
22. 04:25 PM - Re: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing (Jim Langley)
23. 04:48 PM - Re: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing (Brian Whittingham)
24. 04:53 PM - Re: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing (EAFerguson@aol.com)
25. 07:47 PM - Re: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
26. 07:48 PM - drag reduction article (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
27. 08:05 PM - Re: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing (Jim Langley)
28. 08:11 PM - Re: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
29. 08:12 PM - Re: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
30. 08:32 PM - Re: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing (Jim Langley)
31. 08:36 PM - Re: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
32. 10:51 PM - Canopy Skins (Sales Email Account)
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| Subject: | Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA |
To group,
I think we have covered this subject many times. The Approved List is
not a
prerequisite for a AWC or inspection for a EAB aircraft, it only makes
determining the =93Major Portion=94 easier for the DAR and the
inspection. If
you want to prove you built the aircraft keep very detailed builders
logs,
photos , notes . ect this will prove your case as with any EAB. The
Aircraft
did not make it on the list prior to the suspension of evaluations
because
it was too new of a kit to be evaluated and we did not have all items
needed
for that evaluation. So not a matter of screwing anything up just
dealing
with the speed of the FAA, anyone who has applied for a AWC knows they
do
not work fast. Now, Ask any one of the customers who have come to build
with
Us in TN and they will tell you this is not a vacation and we are not
building your aircraft for you in any way. We are here to help you
organize
your building time and take care of much of the head scratching which
goes
on while building. Although deemed simple or friendly by those who have
not
worked with it, the ASTM standards are much different that you think.
You
can not just simply build one and say that it complies, than go off
building
them. There are miles of standards to comply with thru testing or
computations, than design control and tracking of every single part you
make
(not needed by a kit manufacturer) and that in fact is the right part
out of
the approved fixture of mold. I could go on for hours here, I think
there
are several LSA manufactures who did just that signed on the line with
out
regards to standards. Just building and promising to comply or build to
the
plans sounds just like a different version of what your problem is
above.
The Lightning kit does meet the current 51% rule as the new proposed one
is
not in effect. And the proposed rule should not prove any problems for
the
current kit either. We have run thru the evaluation list several times,
from
several different people and continue to come up with about 56% builder
44%
manufacture and well with in the 20% requirements for fabrication and
assembly. As far as our plans for a SLSA or an ELSA keep our above
mentioned
experiences with the standards in mind.
I would and so would all greatly appreciate to know whom is posting to
the
list by a =93 simple=94 signature.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 3:21 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA
"The guys in Shelbyville will do a great job on your aircraft"
...and we wonder why the FAA is cracking down on builder assist
operations.... with Lightning not even grandfathered in on the existing
sham
51% list (who screwed that up? Too late to get on now.), expect some
badged
visitors if you keep up this line of chatter on a public forum.
Homebuilt needs to mean just that again, as it did before greed and
nouveau
riche pilots arrived on the scene.
Arion needs to produce genuine SLSA or, better yet for starters, the
legitimately minimal (as in 1%) builder completion ELSA (carrying no
commercial use and some other harmless restrictions). Is Arion working
to
get ELSA status on the climb prop, no fairings, long wing version of
this
magnificent aircraft? If so what is ETA and if not, why not?
The friendly ASTM approval process could not be simpler. Just publish a
manual and promise to build according to the plans you submit from the
first
one you build,... and you're an aircraft manufacturer with the phone
ringing
off the wall and the cash register jumping off the counter. Caveat
Emptor
but at least ethically solid... unlike experimental-registered
"homebuilt"
retractable turbines where the heaviest lifting the owner/builder does
is
hoisting their Mont Blanc Meisterst=FCck to sign the checks.
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| Subject: | It sure is quiet in here |
The bird should fly this week and most likely fly Tuesday weather
permitting. July and august are very time consuming. Get ready for EAA, go
to EAA , try to find and unpack your stuff from it too. We are back in shop
now and in full swing so rest assured emaisl will get answered and phone
calls too, we may even get to do some flying.
nick
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
IFLYSMODEL@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: It sure is quiet in here
Hey Guys: I hope to make it too. But as usual, I did not write down the
date.is it the 20 th or the 27 th?
My bird is supposed to fly this week, but we shall see.
Lynn
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Somebody in a Lightning came thru Winder Ga (WDR) where some of my friends
are based . Light metallic blue base color. Owner told my friend it was Kit
#34. I don't recall any builders using this base color. And I can't find my
owner's list.
Who are you? Why didn't you call?
Earl Ferguson
Atlanta (FTY)
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According to the list in the newsletter, #34 was shipped to Australia.
Walt M.
N881WP
#55
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
EAFerguson@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:54 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Kit # 34?
Somebody in a Lightning came thru Winder Ga (WDR) where some of my
friends are based . Light metallic blue base color. Owner told my friend
it was Kit #34. I don't recall any builders using this base color. And I
can't find my owner's list.
Who are you? Why didn't you call?
Earl Ferguson
Atlanta (FTY)
404-667-1065
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In a message dated 8/18/2008 9:54:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
EAFerguson@aol.com writes:
Owner told my friend it was Kit #34.
Earl,
How good are your friends eyes (light metalic blue base color) and his
memory (kit # 34)? Just kidding, but the owners list says kit # 34 belongs to
John Chesbrough from Australia. John was in Oshkosh, but as of that time
his kit was not flying. It would be interesting to find out what he actually
saw and what color it really was. As far as I know there are no light blue
Lightnings flying. There is one is light gray primer that looks like a
military fighter, but I don't think it has been in Georgia.
Blue Skies,
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| Subject: | Moving forward with flight testing for N730AL |
We did some additional flight testing on N730AL this past Saturday. I must
say that my engineering side enjoys evaluating the aircraft and fine tuning
things. The airspeed reading was not correct, as well as RPM. The MGL
Odyssey is so easy to program, it made things very easy to fix. another
thing that needed to be fine tuned were all the alarm limits for pressure,
temp and such.
Ryan: I hope i didn't run down the battery too much. I was having so much
fun, I lost trac of time in the cockpit.
Lots of fun. I will have an update to my test log on my site this week, as
well as video updates on the multimedia page. In the mean time, here are a
couple of teasers on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xpgqYyEuo4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYT-2NNBZ4U
Jim!
N730AL
www.jimslightning.com
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| Subject: | Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA |
PK, thanks for the righteous indignation and quality control.... on my post
and daily in your facility.- I don't think anyone assumed you can litera
lly send a postcard to ASTM and be a manufacturer but-knew-instead-th
at expression-was symbolic of the-contrast between the straightforward
simplistic paperwork required to submit an existing, tested, and in use exp
erimental design for ASTM ELSA or SLSA approval vs the millions of dollars
and years of engineering and political effort required to get full certific
ation of a standard category production aircraft from OK City.
-
Obviously the strength and reliability of the airframe and the company behi
nd it will vary in this-young, still-loosey goosey process and you clea
rly strive to lead the pack.- Caveat emptor.- Same individual variation
goes for compliance with the letter and intent of the amateur experimental
-regulations.- The comments of builders here (I have not been to your h
eadquarters but plan to visit ASAP)-DO suggest you are walking a thin lin
e (clearly crossed by those others you mention) with your current builder a
ssist practices and indisputably you missed an opportunity by not getting o
n the 51% list when that was a slam dunk process. -CZAW (your closest com
petition in airframe and price-terms but-not even in your league when i
t comes to management honesty and customer relations) actually advertised t
hey were on that list when they weren't.- Scumbuckets.
-
I will put my money where my mouth is the day after you announce ELSA appro
val-for a kit that does not require an all thumbs guy like me to do more
than bolt-together some big parts and maybe string a few clearly color co
ded wires in places a full size American can reach.- And despite your coy
ness, I expect that is going to happen before CZAW offers to actually build
and deliver the RTF aircraft I have had a deposit with them on for three y
ears now.=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Esqual-Lightning real cruise for best MPG |
In a message dated 8/18/2008 12:33:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich@AOL.COM writes:
I agree, and suggested that some time ago. However, not having seen the
actual rules for the NASA GA Technology Challenge , there may be some other
requirements that I am not aware of. Of course, like any contest or
challenge, there are always some "out of pocket" expenses that could easily run
up
the cost of such a venture. We need someone like Earl Ferguson (the Lightning
world record holder) to accept the challenge, research the rules, plan the
attempt, and "make it happen". How about it, Earl?
Buz
All,
I'm planning a presentation on record how tos and such for the gathering in
Shelbyville. Ya'll come.
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| Subject: | Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA |
To Group,
This list is reserved for discussions about the lightning Kit, how it goes
together, tricks on building, do's and don'ts, you get my point. So I would
ask that we keep it for that and not fill our email boxes with junk. If you
want to discuss policies and rules do that on the FAA list if they have one.
If you want to talk about business practices take it up with MR. Trump. As
for your morals and indecencies call Oprah. But keep this list for people
who are building, flying and or thinking about the Lightning kit as there
next project.
Nick
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:09 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA
PK, thanks for the righteous indignation and quality control.... on my post
and daily in your facility. I don't think anyone assumed you can literally
send a postcard to ASTM and be a manufacturer but knew instead that
expression was symbolic of the contrast between the straightforward
simplistic paperwork required to submit an existing, tested, and in use
experimental design for ASTM ELSA or SLSA approval vs the millions of
dollars and years of engineering and political effort required to get full
certification of a standard category production aircraft from OK City.
Obviously the strength and reliability of the airframe and the company
behind it will vary in this young, still loosey goosey process and you
clearly strive to lead the pack. Caveat emptor. Same individual variation
goes for compliance with the letter and intent of the amateur experimental
regulations. The comments of builders here (I have not been to your
headquarters but plan to visit ASAP) DO suggest you are walking a thin line
(clearly crossed by those others you mention) with your current builder
assist practices and indisputably you missed an opportunity by not getting
on the 51% list when that was a slam dunk process. CZAW (your closest
competition in airframe and price terms but not even in your league when it
comes to management honesty and customer relations) actually advertised they
were on that list when they weren't. Scumbuckets.
I will put my money where my mouth is the day after you announce ELSA
approval for a kit that does not require an all thumbs guy like me to do
more than bolt together some big parts and maybe string a few clearly color
coded wires in places a full size American can reach. And despite your
coyness, I expect that is going to happen before CZAW offers to actually
build and deliver the RTF aircraft I have had a deposit with them on for
three years now.
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| Subject: | Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA |
Right on!
N881WP
Walt M.
________________________________
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
flylightning
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:49 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA
To Group,
This list is reserved for discussions about the lightning Kit, how it
goes together, tricks on building, do's and don'ts, you get my point. So
I would ask that we keep it for that and not fill our email boxes with
junk. If you want to discuss policies and rules do that on the FAA list
if they have one. If you want to talk about business practices take it
up with MR. Trump. As for your morals and indecencies call Oprah. But
keep this list for people who are building, flying and or thinking about
the Lightning kit as there next project.
Nick
________________________________
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:09 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA
PK, thanks for the righteous indignation and quality control.... on my
post and daily in your facility. I don't think anyone assumed you can
literally send a postcard to ASTM and be a manufacturer but knew instead
that expression was symbolic of the contrast between the straightforward
simplistic paperwork required to submit an existing, tested, and in use
experimental design for ASTM ELSA or SLSA approval vs the millions of
dollars and years of engineering and political effort required to get
full certification of a standard category production aircraft from OK
City.
Obviously the strength and reliability of the airframe and the company
behind it will vary in this young, still loosey goosey process and you
clearly strive to lead the pack. Caveat emptor. Same individual
variation goes for compliance with the letter and intent of the amateur
experimental regulations. The comments of builders here (I have not
been to your headquarters but plan to visit ASAP) DO suggest you are
walking a thin line (clearly crossed by those others you mention) with
your current builder assist practices and indisputably you missed an
opportunity by not getting on the 51% list when that was a slam dunk
process. CZAW (your closest competition in airframe and price terms but
not even in your league when it comes to management honesty and customer
relations) actually advertised they were on that list when they weren't.
Scumbuckets.
I will put my money where my mouth is the day after you announce ELSA
approval for a kit that does not require an all thumbs guy like me to do
more than bolt together some big parts and maybe string a few clearly
color coded wires in places a full size American can reach. And despite
your coyness, I expect that is going to happen before CZAW offers to
actually build and deliver the RTF aircraft I have had a deposit with
them on for three years now.
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| Subject: | Re: Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA |
I had written a "nice" response to stevesrolling (see below) but had not
sent yet as I wanted to "let it set a while" then re-read what I had written
before putting it out to the list. However, after reading his latest post, I
am
convinced he is actually just a "troll" looking to get his jollies by
creating controversy. On his three post he has tried to create "issues" where
none
really exist as to the Lightning and Arion Aircraft. So, "Mr. Troll", if
you are for real, provide a name and address, ask some valid questions that
have to do with building or flying the Lightning, and you will receive the
respect of the Lightning listers. If you are truly waiting for an SLSA or ELSA
Lightning because you are an "all thumbs guy", then why "bad mouth" a company
you really know nothing about? Your answer to the above (if in fact you do
answer) will show whether you really are just a troll.
Blue Skies, but check 6,
Buz Rich
Hello stevesrolling,
I don't think I have seen your email address on the Lightning list
before, so welcome aboard. However, in order to know who we are corresponding
with, most of us sign our names so that we can become acquainted with each other
and develop a kind of friendly relationship. It is also nice to know where
you are from so list members near your location might be able to share their
experiences and even provide a flight or a look at their project.
I have read both of your recent post several times, and try as I might,
I am having a hard time understanding exactly what point you are trying to
get across. In fact, I am not entirely sure you aren't just a "troll" looking
to create some controversy. But whatever your reason for posting, I
certainly do agree with your opening comment that someone saying "The guys in
Shelbyville will do a great job on your aircraft" might possibly be misleading
to
anyone unfamiliar with the SYI operation; causing them to think that "your
aircraft gets built with little real involvement by you". However, I am
certain that the person that made that statement was just being enthusiastic about
their great build experience and will certainly acknowledge that indeed they
were heavily involved in all aspects of the build.
Your comment that "Homebuilt needs to mean just that again, as it did
before greed and nouveau riche pilots arrived on the scene", is very similar to
an "attitude" that I have seen at some EAA meetings where "old timers"
(like me) who have possibly built time consuming aircraft in the past are a
little put off by progress in aircraft construction techniques that allow kits
to
be built in much less time. After giving a briefing on the construction of
my Esqual "LS" kit that took me about 5 months (I made lots of changes), I
actually had someone that had built an early Rutan design (taking many years to
complete) say that the new kits should not be allowed because they can be
built so quickly. He quickly "shut up" when I said, well I have built a Pitts
Special from plans (no kit) and an aluminum airplane (kit) and that those old
methods just take more time to complete because they are old technology.
Progress in aviation technology often starts with the homebuilt movement and
then moves to the "big boys". But when building a modern kit, you learn just
as
much using modern construction as you did in the "old days" using the "old
ways".
I do agree with some of your thoughts that over the years EAA itself may
have lost some of its initial focus on homebuilding, but that often happens
with growth in an organization that is trying to serve all of its members
interest. Yes, the big Oshkosh show has gotten big and seems to be moving more
towards a "trade show" type of environment, but it still is the best show of
its kind for homebuilding. And yes, I think the 51% rule is fine just the
way it is, the FAA just needs to enforce the current rule as it is and not
allow the "hired gun" builders or the "factory builds" that really do all the
work and the "owner" just writes the checks. The real answer is up to the DAR
to decide if the "builder", who signs his name stating that they did the work,
is telling the truth. The builders log has to be the key.
Pete and Nick have responded to your comments about ASTM standards and
any possible future SLSA Lightning, so I will refrain from adding to their
words. However, rest assured that the SYI group is "on top" of things and, busy
as they are, they have a great future mapped out for Airon Aircraft and its
customers, past, current, and future.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA |
Nice reply Buz... Just the way ti should be, not argumentative or
insulting, but informative.
On 8/18/08, N1BZRich@aol.com <N1BZRich@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I had written a "nice" response to stevesrolling (see below) but had not
> sent yet as I wanted to "let it set a while" then re-read what I had written
> before putting it out to the list. However, after reading his latest post,
> I am convinced he is actually just a "troll" looking to get his jollies by
> creating controversy. On his three post he has tried to create "issues"
> where none really exist as to the Lightning and Arion Aircraft. So, "Mr.
> Troll", if you are for real, provide a name and address, ask some valid
> questions that have to do with building or flying the Lightning, and you
> will receive the respect of the Lightning listers. If you are truly waiting
> for an SLSA or ELSA Lightning because you are an "all thumbs guy", then why
> "bad mouth" a company you really know nothing about? Your answer to the
> above (if in fact you do answer) will show whether you really are just a
> troll.
> Blue Skies, but check 6,
> Buz Rich
>
>
> Hello stevesrolling,
> I don't think I have seen your email address on the Lightning list
> before, so welcome aboard. However, in order to know who we are
> corresponding with, most of us sign our names so that we can become
> acquainted with each other and develop a kind of friendly relationship. It
> is also nice to know where you are from so list members near your
> location might be able to share their experiences and even provide a flight
> or a look at their project.
> I have read both of your recent post several times, and try as I might,
> I am having a hard time understanding exactly what point you are trying to
> get across. In fact, I am not entirely sure you aren't just a "troll"
> looking to create some controversy. But whatever your reason for posting,
> I certainly do agree with your opening comment that someone saying "The
> guys in Shelbyville will do a great job on your aircraft" might possibly be
> misleading to anyone unfamiliar with the SYI operation; causing them to
> think that "your aircraft gets built with little real involvement by you".
> However, I am certain that the person that made that statement was just
> being enthusiastic about their great build experience and will certainly
> acknowledge that indeed they were heavily involved in all aspects of the
> build.
> Your comment that "Homebuilt needs to mean just that again, as it did
> before greed and nouveau riche pilots arrived on the scene", is very similar
> to an "attitude" that I have seen at some EAA meetings where "old timers"
> (like me) who have possibly built time consuming aircraft in the past are a
> little put off by progress in aircraft construction techniques that allow
> kits to be built in much less time. After giving a briefing on the
> construction of my Esqual "LS" kit that took me about 5 months (I made lots
> of changes), I actually had someone that had built an early Rutan design
> (taking many years to complete) say that the new kits should not be allowed
> because they can be built so quickly. He quickly "shut up" when I said,
> well I have built a Pitts Special from plans (no kit) and an aluminum
> airplane (kit) and that those old methods just take more time to complete
> because they are old technology. Progress in aviation technology often
> starts with the homebuilt movement and then moves to the "big boys". But
> when building a modern kit, you learn just as much using modern construction
> as you did in the "old days" using the "old ways".
> I do agree with some of your thoughts that over the years EAA itself
> may have lost some of its initial focus on homebuilding, but that often
> happens with growth in an organization that is trying to serve all of its
> members interest. Yes, the big Oshkosh show has gotten big and seems to be
> moving more towards a "trade show" type of environment, but it still is the
> best show of its kind for homebuilding. And yes, I think the 51% rule is
> fine just the way it is, the FAA just needs to enforce the current rule as
> it is and not allow the "hired gun" builders or the "factory builds" that
> really do all the work and the "owner" just writes the checks. The real
> answer is up to the DAR to decide if the "builder", who signs his name
> stating that they did the work, is telling the truth. The builders log has
> to be the key.
> Pete and Nick have responded to your comments about ASTM standards and
> any possible future SLSA Lightning, so I will refrain from adding to their
> words. However, rest assured that the SYI group is "on top" of things and,
> busy as they are, they have a great future mapped out for Airon Aircraft and
> its customers, past, current, and future.
> Blue Skies,
> Buz
>
>
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Now if I can just learn how to type!
On 8/18/08, Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Nice reply Buz... Just the way ti should be, not argumentative or
> insulting, but informative.
>
> On 8/18/08, N1BZRich@aol.com <N1BZRich@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> I had written a "nice" response to stevesrolling (see below) but had not
>> sent yet as I wanted to "let it set a while" then re-read what I had written
>> before putting it out to the list. However, after reading his latest post,
>> I am convinced he is actually just a "troll" looking to get his jollies by
>> creating controversy. On his three post he has tried to create "issues"
>> where none really exist as to the Lightning and Arion Aircraft. So, "Mr.
>> Troll", if you are for real, provide a name and address, ask some valid
>> questions that have to do with building or flying the Lightning, and you
>> will receive the respect of the Lightning listers. If you are truly waiting
>> for an SLSA or ELSA Lightning because you are an "all thumbs guy", then why
>> "bad mouth" a company you really know nothing about? Your answer to the
>> above (if in fact you do answer) will show whether you really are just a
>> troll.
>> Blue Skies, but check 6,
>> Buz Rich
>>
>>
>> Hello stevesrolling,
>> I don't think I have seen your email address on the Lightning list
>> before, so welcome aboard. However, in order to know who we are
>> corresponding with, most of us sign our names so that we can become
>> acquainted with each other and develop a kind of friendly relationship. It
>> is also nice to know where you are from so list members near your
>> location might be able to share their experiences and even provide a flight
>> or a look at their project.
>> I have read both of your recent post several times, and try as I
>> might, I am having a hard time understanding exactly what point you are
>> trying to get across. In fact, I am not entirely sure you aren't just a
>> "troll" looking to create some controversy. But whatever your reason for
>> posting, I certainly do agree with your opening comment that someone saying
>> "The guys in Shelbyville will do a great job on your aircraft" might
>> possibly be misleading to anyone unfamiliar with the SYI operation; causing
>> them to think that "your aircraft gets built with little real involvement by
>> you". However, I am certain that the person that made that statement was
>> just being enthusiastic about their great build experience and will
>> certainly acknowledge that indeed they were heavily involved in all aspects
>> of the build.
>> Your comment that "Homebuilt needs to mean just that again, as it did
>> before greed and nouveau riche pilots arrived on the scene", is very similar
>> to an "attitude" that I have seen at some EAA meetings where "old timers"
>> (like me) who have possibly built time consuming aircraft in the past are a
>> little put off by progress in aircraft construction techniques that allow
>> kits to be built in much less time. After giving a briefing on the
>> construction of my Esqual "LS" kit that took me about 5 months (I made lots
>> of changes), I actually had someone that had built an early Rutan design
>> (taking many years to complete) say that the new kits should not be allowed
>> because they can be built so quickly. He quickly "shut up" when I said,
>> well I have built a Pitts Special from plans (no kit) and an aluminum
>> airplane (kit) and that those old methods just take more time to complete
>> because they are old technology. Progress in aviation technology often
>> starts with the homebuilt movement and then moves to the "big boys". But
>> when building a modern kit, you learn just as much using modern construction
>> as you did in the "old days" using the "old ways".
>> I do agree with some of your thoughts that over the years EAA itself
>> may have lost some of its initial focus on homebuilding, but that often
>> happens with growth in an organization that is trying to serve all of its
>> members interest. Yes, the big Oshkosh show has gotten big and seems to be
>> moving more towards a "trade show" type of environment, but it still is the
>> best show of its kind for homebuilding. And yes, I think the 51% rule is
>> fine just the way it is, the FAA just needs to enforce the current rule as
>> it is and not allow the "hired gun" builders or the "factory builds" that
>> really do all the work and the "owner" just writes the checks. The real
>> answer is up to the DAR to decide if the "builder", who signs his name
>> stating that they did the work, is telling the truth. The builders log has
>> to be the key.
>> Pete and Nick have responded to your comments about ASTM standards and
>> any possible future SLSA Lightning, so I will refrain from adding to their
>> words. However, rest assured that the SYI group is "on top" of things and,
>> busy as they are, they have a great future mapped out for Airon Aircraft and
>> its customers, past, current, and future.
>> Blue Skies,
>> Buz
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Gap seal tap for Lightning wing |
Where do you all get the clear tape that can be used to seal the wing root
gaps?
Jim!
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> <<JSB022-1.pdf>>
Apologies if you've seen this.
I saw a 5100 Jab engine at the UK agents and it had two bolt holes
damaged and the other 4 were fine. The hub has yet to be found.
I've refitted mine with the right Loctite, the JCB heavy duty stuff I'd
used was still very tight to crack off.
Don't you just love wire locking, especially twice.
Regards, Clive
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| Subject: | Gap seal tap for Lightning wing |
Jim=2C
Buz can answer that=2C but it brings up a good point=2C that I've had an
article sitting=2C waiting to be finished on my results of that study. We
learned a few things during that experiment and it did make some good diffe
rence. I don't personally know you=2C but I feel like I know the kind of p
erson that you are. (and appreciate it) I don't think that I have to say
=2C but wait until you get your 40 hours and everything ironed before addin
g this would be my professional opinion. Brian W.
ng-list@matronics.comSubject: Lightning-List: Gap seal tap for Lightning wi
ng
Where do you all get the clear tape that can be used to seal the wing root
gaps?
Jim!
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In a message dated 8/18/2008 10:05:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich@AOL.COM writes:
How good are your friends eyes (light metalic blue base color) and his
memory (kit # 34)? Just kidding, but the owners list says kit # 34 belongs to
John Chesbrough from Australia. John was in Oshkosh, but as of that time his
kit was not flying. It would be interesting to find out what he actually saw
and what color it really was. As far as I know there are no light blue
Lightnings flying. There is one is light gray primer that looks like a military
fighter, but I don't think it has been in Georgia.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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| Subject: | Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA |
Now that IS on topic! I have not seen any in depth fabricating from metal
and/or fabric/wood airplanes=2C but I have seen a lot of the composites lik
e the Lightning=2C Jabiru=2C and the Lancair IV. I even saw a prototype of
a 2 seat Lancair turbine that was hot! Don't know what happened to that p
lane. I do feel good with what is coming from Buz that he considers the Li
ghtning to be a user friendly built composite airplane. I think that's whe
re the line is being drawn. Between what is fabricated and what is buildin
g an airplane. As I understand it=2C you can build 100% of some Rutan desi
gns from scratch! That's not what this plane is for. Neither was it for h
aving a preassembled aircraft. If Arion deems that they wish to go the SLS
A market then it will be because it was born out of the heritage of the exp
erimental Lightning segment. They didn't plan on having a plane where you
buy it as an experimental and then they preassemble it either. In my year
and a half or so around them I never saw anything of the sort. In fact=2C
they tried to help by being there to answer questions and tried not to lay
hands on the aircraft as much as possible. There are obviously some things
that are harder than others.
If anybody is going to have "claims" to any wrongs being done then I think
they should sign their name. Also=2C claims with admittedly no previous kn
owledge would seem to me to be as irresponsible. Yes=2C you have a good vo
cabulary=2C but you don't seem to have great people skills or a responsible
nature. Try and be a little more humble and play nice with others and you
'll find that pretty much everybody here will be more than happy to welcome
you in=2C buy you a beer=2C and forget the first impressions in favor of c
omradary! Anyhow=2C great write-up once again Buz! Brian W.
From: N1BZRich@aol.comDate: Mon=2C 18 Aug 2008 13:49:07 -0400Subject: Re: L
ightning-List: Time to 'fess up and produce an ELSA To: lightning-list@matr
onics.com
I had written a "nice" response to stevesrolling (see below) but had not se
nt yet as I wanted to "let it set a while" then re-read what I had written
before putting it out to the list. However=2C after reading his latest pos
t=2C I am convinced he is actually just a "troll" looking to get his jollie
s by creating controversy. On his three post he has tried to create "issue
s" where none really exist as to the Lightning and Arion Aircraft. So=2C "
Mr. Troll"=2C if you are for real=2C provide a name and address=2C ask some
valid questions that have to do with building or flying the Lightning=2C a
nd you will receive the respect of the Lightning listers. If you are truly
waiting for an SLSA or ELSA Lightning because you are an "all thumbs guy"
=2C then why "bad mouth" a company you really know nothing about? Your ans
wer to the above (if in fact you do answer) will show whether you really ar
e just a troll.
Blue Skies=2C but check 6=2C
Buz Rich
Hello stevesrolling=2C
I don't think I have seen your email address on the Lightning list befo
re=2C so welcome aboard. However=2C in order to know who we are correspond
ing with=2C most of us sign our names so that we can become acquainted with
each other and develop a kind of friendly relationship. It is also nice t
o know where you are from so list members near your location might be able
to share their experiences and even provide a flight or a look at their pro
ject.
I have read both of your recent post several times=2C and try as I migh
t=2C I am having a hard time understanding exactly what point you are tryin
g to get across. In fact=2C I am not entirely sure you aren't just a "trol
l" looking to create some controversy. But whatever your reason for postin
g=2C I certainly do agree with your opening comment that someone saying "T
he guys in Shelbyville will do a great job on your aircraft" might possibly
be misleading to anyone unfamiliar with the SYI operation=3B causing them
to think that "your aircraft gets built with little real involvement by you
". However=2C I am certain that the person that made that statement was j
ust being enthusiastic about their great build experience and will certainl
y acknowledge that indeed they were heavily involved in all aspects of the
build.
Your comment that "Homebuilt needs to mean just that again=2C as it did
before greed and nouveau riche pilots arrived on the scene"=2C is very sim
ilar to an "attitude" that I have seen at some EAA meetings where "old tim
ers" (like me) who have possibly built time consuming aircraft in the past
are a little put off by progress in aircraft construction techniques that a
llow kits to be built in much less time. After giving a briefing on the co
nstruction of my Esqual "LS" kit that took me about 5 months (I made lots o
f changes)=2C I actually had someone that had built an early Rutan design (
taking many years to complete) say that the new kits should not be allowed
because they can be built so quickly. He quickly "shut up" when I said=2C
well I have built a Pitts Special from plans (no kit) and an aluminum airpl
ane (kit) and that those old methods just take more time to complete becaus
e they are old technology. Progress in aviation technology often starts wi
th the homebuilt movement and then moves to the "big boys". But when build
ing a modern kit=2C you learn just as much using modern construction as you
did in the "old days" using the "old ways".
I do agree with some of your thoughts that over the years EAA itself ma
y have lost some of its initial focus on homebuilding=2C but that often hap
pens with growth in an organization that is trying to serve all of its memb
ers interest. Yes=2C the big Oshkosh show has gotten big and seems to be m
oving more towards a "trade show" type of environment=2C but it still is th
e best show of its kind for homebuilding. And yes=2C I think the 51% rule
is fine just the way it is=2C the FAA just needs to enforce the current rul
e as it is and not allow the "hired gun" builders or the "factory builds" t
hat really do all the work and the "owner" just writes the checks. The rea
l answer is up to the DAR to decide if the "builder"=2C who signs his name
stating that they did the work=2C is telling the truth. The builders log h
as to be the key.
Pete and Nick have responded to your comments about ASTM standards and
any possible future SLSA Lightning=2C so I will refrain from adding to thei
r words. However=2C rest assured that the SYI group is "on top" of things
and=2C busy as they are=2C they have a great future mapped out for Airon Ai
rcraft and its customers=2C past=2C current=2C and future.
Blue Skies=2C
Buz
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| Subject: | Service Bulletin on prop flanges |
Clive=2C
Greetings to you and the UK! Did you happen to notice what the Jabiru 5
100 engine was on? Just asking b/c I can only think of one plane that had
that. It was a spitfire replica. I love the looks of a Lightning and I wo
nder what we could do if we had WWII with current aircraft technologies=2C
but it's hard to beat the looks of that Spit! The guy and story of how it
was built it just incredible as well! Brian W.
Subject: Lightning-List: Service Bulletin on prop flangesDate: Mon=2C 18 Au
g 2008 23:29:04 +0100From: clive.james@uk.bp.comTo: lightning-list@matronic
s.com
<<JSB022-1.pdf>> Apologies if you've seen this.
I saw a 5100 Jab engine at the UK agents and it had two bolt holes damaged
and the other 4 were fine. The hub has yet to be found.
I've refitted mine with the right Loctite=2C the JCB heavy duty stuff I'd u
sed was still very tight to crack off. Don't you just love wire locking=2C
especially twice.
Regards=2C Clive
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| Subject: | You'll remember the last time this happened |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7568045.stm
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7568045.stm>
A Europa kit plane in Germany, I'm bet he's glad he didn't build a
monowheel.
You'll recall the guy a few years back near Seattle airport.
http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=47315
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| Subject: | Service Bulletin on prop flanges |
Hi Brian, I was more interested in the flange and there were two 5100's
on the bench. I think both were from Spitfire replica's, the second one
was an overheating case I think, piston damage.
Indeed the Spitfire's looks are unbeatable and the replica's a
convincing sight, you have to be a real enthusiast though as they cost
double and RV and don't out perform one. There are at least three for
sale in the UK.
There's a new single seater over here now called a silence twister, it
has the same lines apart from the cowling, after Googling I see it's
over your way as well:
http://www.pacificaerosport.com/twister.htm
Apparently there are two about England that put on a spirited display
and because of the silhouette it has a certain magic.....
R.J.Mitchell?
Regards, Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Whittingham
Sent: 18 August 2008 23:48
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Service Bulletin on prop flanges
Clive,
Greetings to you and the UK! Did you happen to notice what the
Jabiru 5100 engine was on? Just asking b/c I can only think of one
plane that had that. It was a spitfire replica. I love the looks of a
Lightning and I wonder what we could do if we had WWII with current
aircraft technologies, but it's hard to beat the looks of that Spit!
The guy and story of how it was built it just incredible as well! Brian
W.
________________________________
Subject: Lightning-List: Service Bulletin on prop flanges
From: clive.james@uk.bp.com
<<JSB022-1.pdf>>
Apologies if you've seen this.
I saw a 5100 Jab engine at the UK agents and it had two bolt holes
damaged and the other 4 were fine. The hub has yet to be found.
I've refitted mine with the right Loctite, the JCB heavy duty stuff I'd
used was still very tight to crack off.
Don't you just love wire locking, especially twice.
Regards, Clive
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| Subject: | Gap seal tap for Lightning wing |
Thanks Brian. The only gap seal tape that I am talking about right now is
what I would use on the wing root. I can wait till later for the flap and
aileron gap seals as you have recommended. I just am not sure where
everyone buys the clear stuff. We bought some from Spruce a while back, but
it does not go on very clear.
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Whittingham
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing
Jim,
Buz can answer that, but it brings up a good point, that I've had an
article sitting, waiting to be finished on my results of that study. We
learned a few things during that experiment and it did make some good
difference. I don't personally know you, but I feel like I know the kind of
person that you are. (and appreciate it) I don't think that I have to say,
but wait until you get your 40 hours and everything ironed before adding
this would be my professional opinion. Brian W.
_____
From: pequeajim@gmail.com
Subject: Lightning-List: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing
Where do you all get the clear tape that can be used to seal the wing root
gaps?
Jim!
st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
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| Subject: | Gap seal tap for Lightning wing |
Jim=2C
Yeah=2C I am familiar with the mylar tape that was white that they used
to use at SYI. I'm not sure about clear. It made a pretty big difference
in some of the Esquals b/c that was a big enough gap to let the airflow hit
the main wing spar and you could feel the difference in the feel on the st
ick. All is good with the Lightning and the newer Lightnings are even bett
er I've heard. I think that you can probably google clear mylar tape and c
ome up with something. This is in an area that if it were to fall off you
shouldn't have to worry. I'd still replace every couple of years so that i
t looks fresh and doesn't become brittle. Brian W.
From: pequeajim@gmail.comTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Light
ning-List: Gap seal tap for Lightning wingDate: Mon=2C 18 Aug 2008 19:24:35
-0400
Thanks Brian. The only gap seal tape that I am talking about right now is
what I would use on the wing root. I can wait till later for the flap and
aileron gap seals as you have recommended. I just am not sure where everyo
ne buys the clear stuff. We bought some from Spruce a while back=2C but it
does not go on very clear.
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian WhittinghamSent: Monday=2C Augus
t 18=2C 2008 6:29 PMTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Lightning-
List: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing
Jim=2C Buz can answer that=2C but it brings up a good point=2C that I've h
ad an article sitting=2C waiting to be finished on my results of that study
. We learned a few things during that experiment and it did make some good
difference. I don't personally know you=2C but I feel like I know the kin
d of person that you are. (and appreciate it) I don't think that I have to
say=2C but wait until you get your 40 hours and everything ironed before a
dding this would be my professional opinion. Brian W.
ng-list@matronics.comSubject: Lightning-List: Gap seal tap for Lightning wi
ng
Where do you all get the clear tape that can be used to seal the wing root
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| Subject: | Re: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing |
In a message dated 8/18/2008 4:53:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pequeaj
im@gmail.com writes:
Where do you all get the clear tape that can be used to seal the wing root
gaps?
Jim,
Buz donated the material which I and others have used. Nick has the supply
at Shelbyville.
I did quite a bit of testing with this material. It does give you a slight
increase in speed, 1 to 2 K on my LSA version, probably more on a Lightning
with gear fairings.
However, that material we were using didn't work well. If you lower the
flaps, it gets sucked up into the gap and stays there. I also had some vibration
problems, so I took it all off for the cross continental trip.
Bottom line, we need to work on the material selection.
Earl Ferguson
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| Subject: | Re: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing |
Jim,
I actually am currently using a white tape on the wing root that is a
very close color match. I have a roll that I bought from a sail plane supply
place on the inter net, but have found similar 3M tape at the home supply
stores. Those stores also have a white electrician's tape that is easy to use.
The wide clear tape that I used to use (it does not seem to go around
corners as well as the white stuff) was found at a school supply store and is
used for binding books.
As to the very wide (about 4.5 inches) Mylar that Brain and Earl
mentioned for the flap and aileron gap seals, that was also found on the net,
but
was too thin (.01) for the intended use. The best solution for the flap gaps
is the one that Pete Disher has come up with. See one of the past
newsletters for photos. He will be flying soon and I feel certain he will share
his
performance data with our group when he finishes his 40 hour test phase. (By
the way, Australia, what are the test requirements "down under"?
buz
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| Subject: | drag reduction article |
Brain,
Remember, when you do get a chance to finish the drag reduction article
with your flight test results, I would like to put it in the newsletter.
Should be good reading for all of us.
Buz
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| Subject: | Gap seal tap for Lightning wing |
Thanks Buz:
Since my wing roots are orange, and I can not find the right color orange to
match, I need to go with clear. I did find some at Cumulus Soaring, but the
gap on my right wing root is a bit too wide and the air pressure causes the
mylar to sink in to the root. I did get 1" and 1.5", so I am thinking of
laying down the first strip of the wider tape followed by the 1" tape. This
will make it thicker and perhaps keep it from sinking in to the gap.
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Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing
Jim,
I actually am currently using a white tape on the wing root that is a
very close color match. I have a roll that I bought from a sail plane
supply place on the inter net, but have found similar 3M tape at the home
supply stores. Those stores also have a white electrician's tape that is
easy to use.
The wide clear tape that I used to use (it does not seem to go around
corners as well as the white stuff) was found at a school supply store and
is used for binding books.
As to the very wide (about 4.5 inches) Mylar that Brain and Earl
mentioned for the flap and aileron gap seals, that was also found on the
net, but was too thin (.01) for the intended use. The best solution for the
flap gaps is the one that Pete Disher has come up with. See one of the past
newsletters for photos. He will be flying soon and I feel certain he will
share his performance data with our group when he finishes his 40 hour test
phase. (By the way, Australia, what are the test requirements "down under"?
buz
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| Subject: | Re: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing |
In a message dated 8/18/2008 11:06:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pequeajim@gmail.com writes:
my wing roots are orange
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| Subject: | Re: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing |
In a message dated 8/18/2008 11:06:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pequeajim@gmail.com writes:
my wing roots are orange
Bummer. At least your hair roots are not orange. On the other hand, at
least you have some hair roots. :-)
Buz
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"Bummer. At least your hair roots are not orange"
They used to be.. Or at least reddish blonde.
Hey, I'm just glad to HAVE hair!
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| Subject: | Re: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing |
In a message dated 8/18/2008 11:33:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pequeajim@gmail.com writes:
Hey, I=99m just glad to HAVE hair!
Yea, I know, rub it in. I had all mine removed as a drag reduction
procedure.
Buz
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Hi All,
I have been struggling with getting the canopy skins trimmed where the
acrylic is glued to the canopy frame. What I should have done and now
recommend to you is, after the canopy frame is trimmed and mounted
(hinged and gas struts installed) but, BEFORE you glue the canopy to the
frame, clamp each canopy skin to the canopy frame and trace its outline
both top and bottom of the frame on each canopy skin. This will give
you a good reference point for trimming the skin at the top of the
canopy flange. The bottom needs to be trimmed after the skin is glued
on to achieve that close tolerance fit we all want.
Bill Applegate, kit #49, Tucson, AZ.
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