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1. 05:17 AM - Re Hand Grenade (Malcolm Ferguson)
2. 06:25 AM - Re: Re Hand Grenade (Kayberg@aol.com)
3. 06:53 AM - Re: Re Hand Grenade (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
4. 06:57 AM - Re: Re Hand Grenade (Mefford, Walt)
5. 10:40 AM - Re: Re Hand Grenade (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
6. 10:55 AM - Re: Re Hand Grenade (Mefford, Walt)
7. 11:16 AM - Re: Re Hand Grenade (N1BZRich@aol.com)
8. 11:25 AM - Re: Re Hand Grenade (Mefford, Walt)
9. 11:30 AM - Re: Re Hand Grenade (sttwig@wabroadband.com)
10. 12:33 PM - Re: Re Hand Grenade (IFLYSMODEL@aol.com)
11. 12:33 PM - Re: Re Hand Grenade (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS)
12. 12:51 PM - Re: Re Hand Grenade (Jim Langley)
13. 02:07 PM - Re: Re Hand Grenade (Brian Whittingham)
14. 03:16 PM - Re: Re Hand Grenade (N1BZRich@aol.com)
15. 03:25 PM - Re: Re Hand Grenade (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
16. 03:26 PM - Re: Re Hand Grenade (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
17. 05:32 PM - Lightning POH (Jim Langley)
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Buz,
Selwyn makes a very good point. The message is that the shallow bank angle
must be retained thru the exercise. It is okay to re publish it.
The second very good reason for a well banked turn in a circuit is to stop
some else running into you. The midair often happens on final when one plane
descends onto another and it happens with monotonous regularity.
A well banked plane becomes very visible to other aircraft. It will
immediately catch their attention and has the added advantage that often
there will be a flash of sunlight off the aircraft. Glider pilots will know
that you can catch the flash 5-10 miles away then you can go and "borrow"
his thermal.
In Australia the required radio transmissions are to call
"............turning base........." or "...........turning
final............". To make yourself as visible as possible as you give
your radio call, is a great service to other pilots.
A third reason is that if you turn at 30-40 degrees your turn is over very
quickly. If you are gradually washing off speed you are unlikely to get to
the stalling stage before the turn is completed, and you are more likely to
notice it.
Another little tip is to line up on final slightly off line. Your instructor
won't like it and your pilot friend will think you are a sloppy flier, but
it gives you a better chance to see some else who maybe on final with you.
Can't happen you say???
Well it can happen easily. You both are unfortunate to transmit at the same
time so don't know each other is there. Just this scenario happened last
year on a busy airfield where one of the Aussie Lightnings is based.
EFATO. Practice makes proficiency and you owe it to yourself to be good at
it. Read the information on http://www.auf.asn.au/safety/efato.html again.
Some time ago the local aero club had a talk from one of it's members. He
had been in the RAAF and went to the UK test pilot school(Buz will know its
name) while seconded to the RAF for 12 months.
2 things he impressed on me.
Fly high, for when the fan stops the higher you are the area available
increases exponentially.
He was highly critical of pilots who retracted the under carriage and flaps
while they still had enough runway ahead to land if the engine failed.
A great comment off another list: After an engine failure "land ahead to the
hospital, turn back to the graveyard"
Turning back can be done by very good pilots and the error margins are slim.
It is a regular killer of pilots. I don't consider it an option until I have
attained circuit height unless there is a cross strip strategically placed.
All the above is only my humble opinion and is given to try to generate an
active discussion.
We need to keep our accident rate down. Insurance companies are talking
about discontinuing insurance for Lancairs due to their accident rate. Think
what that will do for the value of Lancairs and the health of the company.
We don't want that.
Now to go and have a fly and have some fun-if only I can get my radio back
from the repairer.
Malcolm Ferguson
(Esqual-one of the early ones with the good airfoil except it lands too
fast)
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| Subject: | Re: Re Hand Grenade |
In a message dated 9/3/2008 8:18:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
malannx@bigpond.com writes:
A great comment off another list: After an engine failure "land ahead to the
hospital, turn back to the graveyard"
Turning back can be done by very good pilots and the error margins are slim.
It is a regular killer of pilots. I don't consider it an option until I have
attained circuit height unless there is a cross strip strategically placed.
I agree with the above with the exception of not turning back unless circuit
height or more.
I strongly suggest that pilots practice simulated turnbacks at altitude so
they know what the bird will do. A loaded Citabria, for example, can make a
turnback in 300-400 feet IF the pilot knows how.
I sometimes wonder if the platitudes offered by instructors can be an excuse
to not teach something. Why not just teach students how to make the
turnback in the best way? Or pull the power a few times on takeoff and let the
student discover his own reaction times? ( I suggest doing this with a lot of
runway ahead of you!!!)
I suspect about half of the turnback accidents happen because there was no
training, only verbage. Instincts to turnback at low altitude can only be
overcome with practice.
In the case of instructors who always try to stay high, it is the lack of
experience down low that can kill people. Of course having altitude means some
safety margin. But a whole lot of pilots are not prepared for low flying.
It is not the end of the world, cropdusters do it all day.
What do others think the minimum turnback altitude is for a Lightning?
Doug Koenigsberg
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| Subject: | Re: Re Hand Grenade |
In a message dated 9/3/2008 9:25:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Kayberg@aol.com writes:
What do others think the minimum turnback altitude is for a Lightning?
Good discussion guys. Keep it up. But to address Doug's question (above),
below is what Nick and I wrote in the Lightning Flight Manual, Chapter Thre
e,
Emergency Procedures. Everyone with a Lightning kit should have a copy of
this Flight Manual. You can modify it to suit your liking, but it is provi
ded
as a starting point. Chapters three (emergency procedures) and four (norma
l
procedures) are designed so that they can be "shrink copied" and thus becom
e
an in cockpit checklist.
ENGINE FAILURE DURING TAKE-OFF:
After lift off =93 If no restart attempted
1. Speed -establish best glide speed - 87 mph
2. Altitude -check
If 200 feet or less, land straight ahead.
200 feet to 400 feet, turns up to 45 degrees
400 feet to 600 feet, turns up to 90 degrees.
600 feet to 800 feet, consider turns back to the airport area.
Above 800 feet, consider a turn back to the departure runway.
3. Flaps -extend as required
4. Fuel -off
5. Ignition -off
6. Belts -tighten
7. Propeller -set to horizontal position
8. Master -off
9. Land
The above recommendations are based on lots of considerations (weather,
runway length, airport environment, etc.) but if you use it as a guideline
and
practice max rate turns at altitude (power off in the takeoff configuration
),
you will get a feel for what your airplane really is capable of and then ma
y
be able to come up with your own set of parameters for a "turn back".
Buz
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Where does one get a copy?
Walt M.
N881WP
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Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re Hand Grenade
In a message dated 9/3/2008 9:25:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Kayberg@aol.com writes:
What do others think the minimum turnback altitude is for a
Lightning?
Good discussion guys. Keep it up. But to address Doug's question
(above), below is what Nick and I wrote in the Lightning Flight Manual,
Chapter Three, Emergency Procedures. Everyone with a Lightning kit
should have a copy of this Flight Manual. You can modify it to suit
your liking, but it is provided as a starting point. Chapters three
(emergency procedures) and four (normal procedures) are designed so that
they can be "shrink copied" and thus become an in cockpit checklist.
ENGINE FAILURE DURING TAKE-OFF:
After lift off - If no restart attempted
1. Speed -establish best glide speed - 87 mph
2. Altitude -check
If 200 feet or less, land straight ahead.
200 feet to 400 feet, turns up to 45 degrees
400 feet to 600 feet, turns up to 90 degrees.
600 feet to 800 feet, consider turns back to the airport area.
Above 800 feet, consider a turn back to the departure runway.
3. Flaps -extend as required
4. Fuel -off
5. Ignition -off
6. Belts -tighten
7. Propeller -set to horizontal position
8. Master -off
9. Land
The above recommendationsare based on lots of considerations (weather,
runway length, airport environment, etc.) but if you use it as a
guideline and practice max rate turns at altitude (power off in the
takeoff configuration), you will get a feel for what your airplane
really is capable of and then may be able to come up with your own set
of parameters for a "turn back".
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Re Hand Grenade |
In a message dated 9/3/2008 9:58:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
walt.mefford@garmin.com writes:
Where does one get a copy?
You should have gotten a copy of the Prototype Lightning Flight Manual (POH
)
when you got your kit (or shortly after that). It is on a CD and should be
available from any of the Lightning dealers and from the guys at SYI. Nick
,
Pete and I came up with this back when just the prototype was flying and th
ey
have kept it updated as things have changed. It is put together similar to
an Air Force "Dash One" (-1) with chapters or sections as listed below:
GENERAL
.1
LIMITATIONS
....2
EMERGENCY PROCEDURES
...3
NORMAL OPERATING PROCEDURES
.4
PERFORMANCE DATA
.
..5
WEIGHT AND BALANCE
....6
AIRCRAFT AND SYSTEMS DESCRIPTOIN
7
AIRCRAFT HANDLING, CARE AND MAINTENANCE
....8
SUPPLEMENTS
......9
A Flight Manual (Pilot's Operating Handbook) is required for any aircraft
(certified or experimental) and you, as the builder of an experimental
aircraft, are responsible for coming up with one for your "jet". Arion cam
e up with
this one for the prototype, but makes it available to builders to use (and
update to reflect your aircraft) as you see fit.
Hope this helps,
Buz
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Nope. Never seen it.
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
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N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re Hand Grenade
In a message dated 9/3/2008 9:58:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
walt.mefford@garmin.com writes:
Where does one get a copy?
You should have gotten a copy of the Prototype Lightning Flight Manual
(POH) when you got your kit (or shortly after that). It is on a CD and
should be available from any of the Lightning dealers and from the guys
at SYI. Nick, Pete and I came up with this back when just the prototype
was flying and they have kept it updated as things have changed. It is
put together similar to an Air Force "Dash One" (-1) with chapters or
sections as listed below:
GENERAL.................................................................
..........................1
LIMITATIONS.............................................................
........................2
EMERGENCY
PROCEDURES..............................................................
....3
NORMAL OPERATING
PROCEDURES....................................................4
PERFORMANCE
DATA....................................................................
....5
WEIGHT AND
BALANCE.................................................................
.....6
AIRCRAFT AND SYSTEMS
DESCRIPTOIN.............................................7
AIRCRAFT HANDLING, CARE AND MAINTENANCE...............................8
SUPPLEMENTS.............................................................
.......................9
AFlight Manual (Pilot's Operating Handbook) is required for any aircraft
(certified or experimental) and you, as the builder of an experimental
aircraft, are responsible for coming up with one for your "jet". Arion
came up with this one for the prototype, but makes it available to
builders to use (and update to reflect your aircraft) as you see fit.
Hope this helps,
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Re Hand Grenade |
In a message dated 9/3/2008 1:56:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
walt.mefford@garmin.com writes:
Nope. Never seen it.
Well, you might want to check with Greg. I personally think it will save
you lots of work if you get a copy from Greg or SYI. At least it will give you
a starting point if you want to develop your own. Heck, I am kind of proud
of it - maybe a case of "pride of authorship". Basically you should be able
to use all of it "as is" with the exception of section five which is the
performance data. The performance data that you gather during your 40 hour
testing is where you would come up with data specific to your "jet".
Any other Lightning builders or flyers "out there" who haven't seen this?
Buz
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-Buz
I agree it would be an excellent starting point.
Walt M.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re Hand Grenade
In a message dated 9/3/2008 1:56:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
walt.mefford@garmin.com writes:
Nope. Never seen it.
Well, you might want to check with Greg. I personally think it will
save you lots of work if you get a copy from Greg or SYI. At least it
will give you a starting point if you want to develop your own. Heck, I
am kind of proud of it - maybe a case of "pride of authorship".
Basically you should be able to use all of it "as is" with the exception
of section five which is the performance data. The performance data
that you gather during your 40 hour testing is where you would come up
with data specific to your "jet".
Any other Lightning builders or flyers "out there" who haven't seen
this?
Buz
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Add me to the list of never seen one. I have heard it referred to in the
past and assumed I would receive one as I got closer to completion. It
would be interesting to study now, though.
Steve
Kit #48 N357SL
> Nope. Never seen it.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> N1BZRich@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:40 AM
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re Hand Grenade
>
>
> In a message dated 9/3/2008 9:58:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> walt.mefford@garmin.com writes:
>
> Where does one get a copy?
>
> You should have gotten a copy of the Prototype Lightning Flight Manual
> (POH) when you got your kit (or shortly after that). It is on a CD and
> should be available from any of the Lightning dealers and from the guys
> at SYI. Nick, Pete and I came up with this back when just the prototype
> was flying and they have kept it updated as things have changed. It is
> put together similar to an Air Force "Dash One" (-1) with chapters or
> sections as listed below:
>
>
> GENERAL.................................................................
> ..........................1
>
> LIMITATIONS.............................................................
> ........................2
>
> EMERGENCY
> PROCEDURES..............................................................
> ....3
>
> NORMAL OPERATING
> PROCEDURES....................................................4
>
> PERFORMANCE
> DATA....................................................................
> ....5
>
> WEIGHT AND
> BALANCE.................................................................
> .....6
>
> AIRCRAFT AND SYSTEMS
> DESCRIPTOIN.............................................7
>
> AIRCRAFT HANDLING, CARE AND MAINTENANCE...............................8
>
> SUPPLEMENTS.............................................................
> .......................9
>
>
> AFlight Manual (Pilot's Operating Handbook) is required for any aircraft
> (certified or experimental) and you, as the builder of an experimental
> aircraft, are responsible for coming up with one for your "jet". Arion
> came up with this one for the prototype, but makes it available to
> builders to use (and update to reflect your aircraft) as you see fit.
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Buz
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Re Hand Grenade |
Hey Buz: I had not seen it until I asked Mark specifically for a copy. He
then sent me an email copy of the generic one you & Nick had put together.
Fortunately for me, I printed it because my computer failed this last week end.
It appears that I have lost all my documents. Looks like it is new computer
time.
Lynn Nelsen
In a message dated 9/3/2008 2:17:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich@aol.com writes:
In a message dated 9/3/2008 1:56:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
walt.mefford@garmin.com writes:
Nope. Never seen it.
Well, you might want to check with Greg. I personally think it will save
you lots of work if you get a copy from Greg or SYI. At least it will give you
a starting point if you want to develop your own. Heck, I am kind of proud
of it - maybe a case of "pride of authorship". Basically you should be able
to use all of it "as is" with the exception of section five which is the
performance data. The performance data that you gather during your 40 hour
testing is where you would come up with data specific to your "jet".
Any other Lightning builders or flyers "out there" who haven't seen this?
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Re Hand Grenade |
All,
Buz is justifiably proud of the Lightning POH; in addition to the
performance figures, however, there are probably several other places
where you need to update with your own data. Examples are lists of
equipment, pictures of your aircraft and panel, weight and balance, etc.
I wouldn't have known about it either if Buz hadn't shown it to me
and shared the draft copy. It should be available to all builders but
it seems you have to bug someone to get it.
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re Hand Grenade
In a message dated 9/3/2008 9:58:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
walt.mefford@garmin.com writes:
Where does one get a copy?
You should have gotten a copy of the Prototype Lightning Flight Manual
(POH) when you got your kit (or shortly after that). It is on a CD and
should be available from any of the Lightning dealers and from the guys
at SYI. Nick, Pete and I came up with this back when just the prototype
was flying and they have kept it updated as things have changed. It is
put together similar to an Air Force "Dash One" (-1) with chapters or
sections as listed below:
GENERAL
.1
LIMITATIONS
....2
EMERGENCY
PROCEDURES
...3
NORMAL OPERATING
PROCEDURES
.
4
PERFORMANCE
DATA
...5
WEIGHT AND
BALANCE
....6
AIRCRAFT AND SYSTEMS
DESCRIPTOIN
7
AIRCRAFT HANDLING, CARE AND
MAINTENANCE
....8
SUPPLEMENTS
......9
A Flight Manual (Pilot's Operating Handbook) is required for any
aircraft (certified or experimental) and you, as the builder of an
experimental aircraft, are responsible for coming up with one for your
"jet". Arion came up with this one for the prototype, but makes it
available to builders to use (and update to reflect your aircraft) as
you see fit.
Hope this helps,
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Re Hand Grenade |
Maybe they should put it up in the owners section. This way we would have
access to it if we did not get the CD, (I did not either, but Buz saved me
on that one)
On 9/3/08, JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS <lbmathias@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Buz is justifiably proud of the Lightning POH; in addition to the
> performance figures, however, there are probably several other places whe
re
> you need to update with your own data. Examples are lists of equipment,
> pictures of your aircraft and panel, weight and balance, etc.
>
> I wouldn't have known about it either if Buz hadn't shown it to me an
d
> shared the draft copy. It should be available to all builders but it see
ms
> you have to bug someone to get it.
>
> Linda
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* N1BZRich@aol.com
> *To:* lightning-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:39 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Lightning-List: Re Hand Grenade
>
>
> In a message dated 9/3/2008 9:58:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> walt.mefford@garmin.com writes:
>
> Where does one get a copy?
>
> You should have gotten a copy of the Prototype Lightning Flight Manual
> (POH) when you got your kit (or shortly after that). It is on a CD and
> should be available from any of the Lightning dealers and from the guys a
t
> SYI. Nick, Pete and I came up with this back when just the prototype was
> flying and they have kept it updated as things have changed. It is put
> together similar to an Air Force "Dash One" (-1) with chapters or section
s
> as listed below:
>
>
> GENERAL=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85
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> LIMITATIONS=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85
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> EMERGENCY PROCEDURES=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85
=85=85=85...=853
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> NORMAL OPERATING PROCEDURES=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85.
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> PERFORMANCE DATA=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85
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> WEIGHT AND BALANCE=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85
=85=85=85..=85..6
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> AIRCRAFT AND SYSTEMS DESCRIPTOIN=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85
=85=857
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> AIRCRAFT HANDLING, CARE AND MAINTENANCE=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85...=85.8
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> SUPPLEMENTS=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85
=85=85=85=85=85=85......9
>
>
> A Flight Manual (Pilot's Operating Handbook) is required for any aircraft
> (certified or experimental) and you, as the builder of an experimental
> aircraft, are responsible for coming up with one for your "jet". Arion c
ame
> up with this one for the prototype, but makes it available to builders to
> use (and update to reflect your aircraft) as you see fit.
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Buz
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I've got a copy of it. I'll see if I can find it later. It's too big to p
ost on this forum though. Perhaps Jim will host one on his site?
g-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Lightning-List: Re Hand GrenadeMaybe they
should put it up in the owners section. This way we would have access to i
t if we did not get the CD=2C (I did not either=2C but Buz saved me on that
one)
On 9/3/08=2C JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS <lbmathias@verizon.net> wrote:
All=2C
Buz is justifiably proud of the Lightning POH=3B in addition to the per
formance figures=2C however=2C there are probably several other places wher
e you need to update with your own data. Examples are lists of equipment
=2C pictures of your aircraft and panel=2C weight and balance=2C etc.
I wouldn't have known about it either if Buz hadn't shown it to me and
shared the draft copy. It should be available to all builders but it seems
you have to bug someone to get it.
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday=2C September 03=2C 2008 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re Hand Grenade
In a message dated 9/3/2008 9:58:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C walt.meff
ord@garmin.com writes:
Where does one get a copy?
You should have gotten a copy of the Prototype Lightning Flight Manual (POH
) when you got your kit (or shortly after that). It is on a CD and should
be available from any of the Lightning dealers and from the guys at SYI. N
ick=2C Pete and I came up with this back when just the prototype was flying
and they have kept it updated as things have changed. It is put together
similar to an Air Force "Dash One" (-1) with chapters or sections as listed
below:
GENERAL=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85
=85=85=85=85=85=85=85.=851
LIMITATIONS=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85
=85=85=85=85=85..=85..2
EMERGENCY PROCEDURES=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85
=85=85...=853
NORMAL OPERATING PROCEDURES=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85.
=85=854
PERFORMANCE DATA=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85
=85=85=85.=85..5
WEIGHT AND BALANCE=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85
=85=85..=85..6
AIRCRAFT AND SYSTEMS DESCRIPTOIN=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85
=857
AIRCRAFT HANDLING=2C CARE AND MAINTENANCE=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85...=85.8
SUPPLEMENTS=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85
=85=85=85=85=85......9
A Flight Manual (Pilot's Operating Handbook) is required for any aircraft (
certified or experimental) and you=2C as the builder of an experimental air
craft=2C are responsible for coming up with one for your "jet". Arion came
up with this one for the prototype=2C but makes it available to builders t
o use (and update to reflect your aircraft) as you see fit.
Hope this helps=2C
Buz
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In a message dated 9/3/2008 3:34:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lbmathias@verizon.net writes:
however, there are probably several other places where you need to update
with your own data. Examples are lists of equipment, pictures of your
aircraft and panel, weight and balance, etc.
Excellent catch, Linda. Another reason why this list is a good thing. We
have others covering our 6. Good wingman (or in this case, good wingwoman or
would that be good winglady?)
Buz
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In a message dated 9/3/2008 3:52:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pequeajim@gmail.com writes:
Maybe they should put it up in the owners section.
Jim,
That may be a good idea. I like that better than posting on the list
for several reasons. With it posted on the list Arion will probably have lots
of people with open access to it, and that might cause some unforseen
problems. Second, with it just in the owners section, Arion could post updates
as
they become available and that way could insure the latest information is
published.
I know that Nick checks this list several times a day, so he will see
this suggestion and he can make the decision as to what way he wants to
proceed.
Buz
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In a message dated 9/3/2008 5:08:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dashvii@hotmail.com writes:
Perhaps Jim will host one on his site?
As I mentioned on a previous message, I think the better solution is to have
it posted on the Arion web site in an "owners only" section. That way they
could kind of control its use and at the same time insure that only up to
date information is posted.
Buz
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I would be happy to create a Lightning document section on the site, but
need to know what is applicable to post, and what is taboo
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Whittingham
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re Hand Grenade
I've got a copy of it. I'll see if I can find it later. It's too big to
post on this forum though. Perhaps Jim will host one on his site?
_____
From: pequeajim@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re Hand Grenade
Maybe they should put it up in the owners section. This way we would have
access to it if we did not get the CD, (I did not either, but Buz saved me
on that one)
On 9/3/08, JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS <lbmathias@verizon.net> wrote:
All,
Buz is justifiably proud of the Lightning POH; in addition to the
performance figures, however, there are probably several other places where
you need to update with your own data. Examples are lists of equipment,
pictures of your aircraft and panel, weight and balance, etc.
I wouldn't have known about it either if Buz hadn't shown it to me and
shared the draft copy. It should be available to all builders but it seems
you have to bug someone to get it.
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re Hand Grenade
In a message dated 9/3/2008 9:58:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
walt.mefford@garmin.com writes:
Where does one get a copy?
You should have gotten a copy of the Prototype Lightning Flight Manual (POH)
when you got your kit (or shortly after that). It is on a CD and should be
available from any of the Lightning dealers and from the guys at SYI. Nick,
Pete and I came up with this back when just the prototype was flying and
they have kept it updated as things have changed. It is put together
similar to an Air Force "Dash One" (-1) with chapters or sections as listed
below:
GENERAL...............................1
LIMITATIONS...............................2
EMERGENCY PROCEDURES........................3
NORMAL OPERATING PROCEDURES..................4
PERFORMANCE DATA..........................5
WEIGHT AND BALANCE..........................6
AIRCRAFT AND SYSTEMS DESCRIPTOIN...............7
AIRCRAFT HANDLING, CARE AND MAINTENANCE.............8
SUPPLEMENTS................................9
A Flight Manual (Pilot's Operating Handbook) is required for any aircraft
(certified or experimental) and you, as the builder of an experimental
aircraft, are responsible for coming up with one for your "jet". Arion came
up with this one for the prototype, but makes it available to builders to
use (and update to reflect your aircraft) as you see fit.
Hope this helps,
Buz
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