---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/04/08: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:02 AM - Re Hand Grenade (Malcolm Ferguson) 2. 04:48 PM - canopy (Tex Mantell) 3. 04:51 PM - n numbers (Tex Mantell) 4. 06:21 PM - Re: n numbers (Wayne Lenox) 5. 06:34 PM - Re: n numbers (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 6. 07:47 PM - Frapper Map reminder (Jim Langley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:26 AM PST US From: "Malcolm Ferguson" Subject: Lightning-List: Re Hand Grenade Hi Doug, I agree with what you say, but we must remember that people of varying expertise read these sorts of discussions and its important that we don't put forward a one size fits all solution. I just enunciated my my efato procedure and everyone should develop their own. At max wt my Esqual stalls at about 65kts tas(and I don't want comments about that figure being wrong-it's right). At 500' I am also in negative flap as it climbs another 100'/min extra, so I have elected that steep turn backs at 90kts are a no no. Unfortunately the majority of pilots don't do much emergency training except for their biennial flight review, maybe the odd simulated power failure into a paddock(or is it fields in the US?) In flight power failures maybe don't happen as much as on takeoff so maybe efato should be practiced more frequently. I think 2 big gotchas on a turn back are headwinds that become a tailwind on turning back, and most people do not realize that a turn back requires more than a 180 degree turn as you have to get back to the runway centre line then make a turn in the opposite direction to line up. One pilot I know tracks away from the centre line once over the threshold so only a 180 is required on a turn back. I agree with you about the instructor attitudes, but I guess they only do the minimum required to meet the syllabus. Here in Aus at the moment instructors are becoming more inexperienced and some clubs have ceased training due to the airlines aggressive recruiting of experienced instructors. I definitely think there is a place for more intense emergency training once a pilot has got his wings. Malcolm Ferguson (Esqual-one of the early ones with the good airfoil except it lands too fast) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:44 PM PST US From: "Tex Mantell" Subject: Lightning-List: canopy Well the last peice is in the paint booth. The canopy. Has anyone found the best way to remove the protective film thats on the canopey? Its been a long summer and have almost finished the paint Job. Tex ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:18 PM PST US From: "Tex Mantell" Subject: Lightning-List: n numbers Can someone tell me whats the latest on high or large the "N" numbers have to be now? Tex ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:34 PM PST US From: "Wayne Lenox" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: n numbers Tex 3 inches if you do not want the 12inch large letters. Wayne -- "Tex Mantell" wrote: Can someone tell me whats the latest on high or large the "N" numbers ha ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ============ ____________________________________________________________ Click to create your dream holiday in Florida. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mppMRUnRfRVOXQQlra8VL n0xbn2PxuSilyGMXSJT6L0sUvR/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:01 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: n numbers Wayne is right about 3 inch N numbers. However, if you are going to be going across international borders you will need 12 inch numbers. You can put them on temporarily for that trip, but since you live in NY, you may want to fly to Canada on a fairly regular basis and thus use the larger numbers. Buz **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:49 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: Lightning-List: Frapper Map reminder It has been a while since I bugged you guys about updating the Frapper Map with your information, so. bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug, bug. I guess that's enough bugging.. If you are a Lightning or Esqual owner, or a dealer, please feel free to go to the following address and update the map with your information so we know who and where you are. http://www.frappr.com/?a=constellation_map &mapid=137439272225 One note though. if you add your handle/nickname without your email or where you are from, I am not going to approve the addition. The reason for this is to keep out the trolls who only want to link to our map, but have no interest in us or what we are all about. 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