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1. 02:08 AM - Re: canopy (GARY PENNINGTON)
2. 04:02 AM - Re: Re Hand Grenade (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
3. 06:05 AM - Re: n numbers (flylightning)
4. 06:19 AM - Re: canopy (Mark Stauffer)
5. 06:39 AM - Re: canopy (Rick Bowen)
6. 11:11 AM - questions (Tex Mantell)
7. 01:29 PM - Canopy film removal (EAFerguson@AOL.COM)
8. 02:02 PM - Re: canopy (Brian Whittingham)
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Hello Tex
I think the canopy coating is sprayed on Latex. It is "stretchy" to some
degree and just peels off...eventually! I removed about four inches on
the inside and outside for masking, but it took a while.
Gary Pennington
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From: Tex Mantell<mailto:wb2ssj@frontiernet.net>
To: lightning List<mailto:Lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:48 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: canopy
Well the last peice is in the paint booth. The canopy. Has anyone
found the best way to remove the protective film thats on the canopey?
Its been a long summer and have almost finished the paint Job. Tex
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| Subject: | Re: Re Hand Grenade |
We were having a discussion at Green Landings yesterday about the topic.
We agreed that pilots should practice engine outs and practice some variety
of maneuvers to improve their flying skills. I had been working with a new
pilot on chandelles, Dutch rolls and mild wingovers....as a way to improve
rudder skills,
We also talked about inertia and its effect on maneuvers. For some
reason, that is not discussed much but is well known to experienced pilots like
fighter jocks and cropdusters.
There seem to be two types of Lightning owners. Those who mostly want to go
cross-country and those who just like to fly the plane.
It would be great if we could offer suggestions of how to improve general
flying skills for both.
I think it is easy to get into the "Saturday pilot" mode where one goes to
the airport, performs the same rituals each time and then goes home. I
notice that most of them tend to fly the same missions each time. I wish there
was some way to better inspire them to improve as pilots.
Doug Koenigsberg
In a message dated 9/4/2008 9:03:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
malannx@bigpond.com writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Malcolm Ferguson"
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Hi Doug,
I agree with what you say, but we must remember that people of varying
expertise read these sorts of discussions and its important that we don't
put forward a one size fits all solution. I just enunciated my my efato
procedure and everyone should develop their own. At max wt my Esqual stalls
at about 65kts tas(and I don't want comments about that figure being
wrong-it's right). At 500' I am also in negative flap as it climbs another
100'/min extra, so I have elected that steep turn backs at 90kts are a no
no.
Unfortunately the majority of pilots don't do much emergency training except
for their biennial flight review, maybe the odd simulated power failure into
a paddock(or is it fields in the US?)
In flight power failures maybe don't happen as much as on takeoff so maybe
efato should be practiced more frequently.
I think 2 big gotchas on a turn back are headwinds that become a tailwind on
turning back, and most people do not realize that a turn back requires more
than a 180 degree turn as you have to get back to the runway centre line
then make a turn in the opposite direction to line up.
One pilot I know tracks away from the centre line once over the threshold so
only a 180 is required on a turn back.
I agree with you about the instructor attitudes, but I guess they only do
the minimum required to meet the syllabus. Here in Aus at the moment
instructors are becoming more inexperienced and some clubs have ceased
training due to the airlines aggressive recruiting of experienced
instructors.
I definitely think there is a place for more intense emergency training
once a pilot has got his wings.
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3" for experimental.if leaving the country than 12"
Nick
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 6:51 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: n numbers
Can someone tell me whats the latest on high or large the "N" numbers have
to be now? Tex
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Time and patience........ and lots of it. Also, friends with finger nails
helps.
Seriously though, there really is no "quick" fix to removing the Spraylat.
Water doesn't help, solvents will damage the canopy and please don't use a
heat gun (don't ask why we know!).
We've asked the canopy company to use a thicker coat of Spraylat and in the
last 6-12 months it's been much easier to remove. I know that doesn't help
Tex but it may be a bit of a relief to the newer customers.
Mark
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tex Mantell
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 6:48 PM
To: lightning List
Subject: Lightning-List: canopy
Well the last peice is in the paint booth. The canopy. Has anyone found
the best way to remove the protective film thats on the canopey? Its been a
long summer and have almost finished the paint Job. Tex
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Hey Tex....you may want to consider flying Linda Mathias out to help get th
at stuff off your canopy=2C she is VERY good at that!
Ask me how I know....
(THANKS LINDA!!!)
Rick
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From: mark@flylightning.netTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Lig
htning-List: canopyDate: Fri=2C 5 Sep 2008 08:18:59 -0500
Time and patience........ and lots of it. Also=2C friends with finger nails
helps....
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Thank everybody for your answers to my questions,and hope it helped
others that may be listning. Tex
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| Subject: | Canopy film removal |
In a message dated 9/5/2008 2:57:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lightning-list@matronics.com writes:
Time: 04:48:44 PM PST US
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Lightning-List: canopy
Well the last peice is in the paint booth. The canopy. Has anyone found
the best way to remove the protective film thats on the canopey? Its
been a long summer and have almost finished the paint Job. Tex
Tex,
I found that the film will tear if you do a steady pull. Works better if you
pull in brief, sharp tugs.
Earl Ferguson
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I spent a few hours peeling that stuff off your canopy Rick and still had a
lot left when I last flew it. Hopefully the Arion guys vacuumed it out be
fore giving it to you! Brian W.
From: rollnloop@hotmail.comTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Lig
htning-List: canopyDate: Fri=2C 5 Sep 2008 13:39:14 +0000
Hey Tex....you may want to consider flying Linda Mathias out to help get th
at stuff off your canopy=2C she is VERY good at that!Ask me how I know....
(THANKS LINDA!!!) RickN727RB Do not archive
From: mark@flylightning.netTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Lig
htning-List: canopyDate: Fri=2C 5 Sep 2008 08:18:59 -0500
Time and patience........ and lots of it. Also=2C friends with finger nails
helps....
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