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1. 02:52 AM - Re: Second Annual Lightning Fly-In (Lightning Aircraft Australia)
2. 03:50 AM - Re: (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
3. 05:11 AM - Re: (James, Clive R)
4. 06:01 AM - Re: (Brian Whittingham)
5. 06:40 AM - Re: (GARY PENNINGTON)
6. 04:13 PM - Re: Second Annual Lightning Fly-In (Laurie Hoffman)
7. 06:41 PM - Homecoming Logistics (EAFerguson@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Second Annual Lightning Fly-In |
HI Buzz, I not sure about modelling the Speedo suit not really cut out
for that one ,but I hope all of you guys have a great time at the annual
Lightning Fly In ,wish I could be there to join you but unfortunately
its a bit to far away.
Builder assist Lightning No 58 had its inspection today ,so we are just
waiting for the paperwork to come back & the owner Peter Mitchell can
get air bourne.
Best Regards, Dennis LIGHTNING AIRCRAFT AUSTRALIA.
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:55 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Second Annual Lightning Fly-In
All,
Looking at the calendar I just realized the Second Annual
Lightning Fly-In is just two weeks away. Many of you have probably
already finalized plans to be there for this outstanding get together -
and that's great. But for those of you that have not made up your minds
to attend, let me encourage you to do so.
For any Lightning enthusiast or someone contemplating building a
Lightning in the future there is no better way to gather factual
information, talk to current builders and flyers, and of course hear the
word straight form the "horse's mouth" - that would be Arion, the horse
from Greek mythology. Top that off with demonstration rides in the new
2008 Lightning Demonstrator, briefings by Lightning builders and pilots,
and other fun events that the SYI guys have planned and you will have a
wonderful trip. And don't forget the great Tennessee BBQ and pork
chops.
Also, I encourage you to bring your spouse. Building an airplane
turns into a family accomplishment and hopefully your spouse is just as
enthusiastic as you are.
One last thing - we are hoping to get an update briefing on the
latest Lightning Skunk Works experiments. As was mentioned in the last
newsletter, Arion has been doing some testing with the new Olympic
Speedo swimsuit material with Mark as the test pilot. With the "proper
encouragement" (lots of beer) perhaps Mark will do a "fly-by" wearing
his speedo. Can you picture that? Get your cameras ready, it may be a
"fast pass". Yep, faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a
locomotive - it's a bird, it's a plane, no it's Mark in his speedo.
Hey, Lightning dealers, how about you guys (Tom, AL, Greg, Ryan, Doug,
and Dennis) all "suiting up" in your own speedos for a formation
"fly-by"? Now that's entertainment - Not.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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To our man Gary,
Frankly I am a little surprised that you thought the leading edges of the
wings and tail surfaces were structural since you have some back ground in
engineering. But in your defense, you havent seen the factory and how the wings
go together. I owe NOTHING to Arion other than respect and friendship they
have earned. I have seen the Factory and was very impressed. You may also
not realize how light the loads are on Lightning wings. A ride in bumpy air
will convince you of that!!!
That the leading edges are not structural in terms of carrying the loads is
part of the reason they are thin. No need to add weight there. Likewise
trailing edges. Also it also makes a difference in how you sanded and filled
them in preparation for painting, aggressive sanding can also thin them out.
It may also help your confidence to know that some of us have done multiple
Lightnings. When someone hints that there may be structural problems with
the design and that they are an engineer, it ranks up there with insulting
someones grandchild. you are gonna get a response!!! But we can take it. You
are family.
Yes, some gaps or thinness may be present on the leading or trailing edges.
We all know that. It is just not a big deal. Just fill em with whatever,
(flox, micro or cloth) keep it light and move along.
my $.02
Doug Koenigsberg
Not an engineer, but a half-hearted English major of epic proportions.
In a message dated 9/12/2008 3:42:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pennington@q.com writes:
It was not my intent to ruffle Arion's feathers. I simply wanted to share my
build experiences and possibly prevent a problem for Lightning builders
which could have easily been prevented. I can understand how protective the Arion
crew is about their aircraft. I would be too. Be that as it may, I will
continue to share my build experiences with the list, as I'm sure Nick will
continue to rebut. Looking at this from a different perspective, perhaps Arion
should be thankful that builders provide a "heads up" when possible problems
exist. This way, they could investigate and improve on a beautiful product and
perhaps save themselves considerable liability. Truthfully though, I am more
concerned with my safety and that of other Lightning pilots than I am with
Arion's feathers.
To re-address the issue of thin leading edges, I can assure you that I
didn't just fall off the turnip truck. I have considerable engineering background
and experience and I know "thin"! When I lightly pressed on my leading edges,
some edges had the consistency of tissue paper. Likewise, some of the
trailing edges had gaps of approximately 1/16". When squeezing the surfaces
together, not only were they not bonded 2", they were not bonded at all.
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Interesting discussion on structuality of leading edges (made up word).
I think I know what is being explained as I've filled a few myself but
could someone knock out a paint box sketch of the cross section showing
the phenomena?
CJ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Kayberg@aol.com
Sent: 13 September 2008 11:50
Subject: Re: Lightning-List:
To our man Gary,
Frankly I am a little surprised that you thought the leading edges of
the wings and tail surfaces were structural since you have some back
ground in engineering. But in your defense, you havent seen the
factory and how the wings go together. I owe NOTHING to Arion other
than respect and friendship they have earned. I have seen the Factory
and was very impressed. You may also not realize how light the loads are
on Lightning wings. A ride in bumpy air will convince you of that!!!
That the leading edges are not structural in terms of carrying the loads
is part of the reason they are thin. No need to add weight there.
Likewise trailing edges. Also it also makes a difference in how you
sanded and filled them in preparation for painting, aggressive sanding
can also thin them out.
It may also help your confidence to know that some of us have done
multiple Lightnings. When someone hints that there may be structural
problems with the design and that they are an engineer, it ranks up
there with insulting someones grandchild. you are gonna get a
response!!! But we can take it. You are family.
Yes, some gaps or thinness may be present on the leading or trailing
edges. We all know that. It is just not a big deal. Just fill em with
whatever, (flox, micro or cloth) keep it light and move along.
my $.02
Doug Koenigsberg
Not an engineer, but a half-hearted English major of epic proportions.
In a message dated 9/12/2008 3:42:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pennington@q.com writes:
It was not my intent to ruffle Arion's feathers. I simply wanted
to share my build experiences and possibly prevent a problem for
Lightning builders which could have easily been prevented. I can
understand how protective the Arion crew is about their aircraft. I
would be too. Be that as it may, I will continue to share my build
experiences with the list, as I'm sure Nick will continue to rebut.
Looking at this from a different perspective, perhaps Arion should be
thankful that builders provide a "heads up" when possible problems
exist. This way, they could investigate and improve on a beautiful
product and perhaps save themselves considerable liability. Truthfully
though, I am more concerned with my safety and that of other Lightning
pilots than I am with Arion's feathers.
To re-address the issue of thin leading edges, I can assure you
that I didn't just fall off the turnip truck. I have considerable
engineering background and experience and I know "thin"! When I lightly
pressed on my leading edges, some edges had the consistency of tissue
paper. Likewise, some of the trailing edges had gaps of approximately
1/16". When squeezing the surfaces together, not only were they not
bonded 2", they were not bonded at all.
________________________________
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As far as finding "holes" in the leading edges of tail services I have flown one
that had a "crack" in the trailing edge of the horizontal stab. Keep in mind
that it was an Esqual, so different thickness, layups, etc. I was very concerned
and took it to Nick and Mark and say, 'I think I need a new tail." They
took a tool and stuck it in the whole several times and really tried to look
in the hole. In the end it was a crack through the gelcoat and the substructure
was fully intact. They told me it'd be fine to fly and they'd patch that up
so that it looked right before the 40 hours were done. Nick volunteered to
fly the 40 hours off if I didn't believe him and I know that he wouldn't have
done that if he didn't feel it was absolutely safe. Nick is also protective of
his clients and doesn't want to see somebody hurt themselves. That is why I
believe if Nick says you need a little more time before flying that plane solo
I would follow his advice. I'd trust him with my life and often did. That
was probably 2.5 years ago and the plane never had a single problem during the
first 40 and is still flying today. Brian W.
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> Subject: RE: Lightning-List:
> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:11:27 +0100
> From: clive.james@uk.bp.com
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Interesting discussion on structuality of leading edges (made up word).
> I think I know what is being explained as I've filled a few myself but
> could someone knock out a paint box sketch of the cross section showing
> the phenomena?
>
> CJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Kayberg@aol.com
> Sent: 13 September 2008 11:50
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List:
>
> To our man Gary,
>
> Frankly I am a little surprised that you thought the leading edges of
> the wings and tail surfaces were structural since you have some back
> ground in engineering. But in your defense, you havent seen the
> factory and how the wings go together. I owe NOTHING to Arion other
> than respect and friendship they have earned. I have seen the Factory
> and was very impressed. You may also not realize how light the loads are
> on Lightning wings. A ride in bumpy air will convince you of that!!!
>
> That the leading edges are not structural in terms of carrying the loads
> is part of the reason they are thin. No need to add weight there.
> Likewise trailing edges. Also it also makes a difference in how you
> sanded and filled them in preparation for painting, aggressive sanding
> can also thin them out.
>
> It may also help your confidence to know that some of us have done
> multiple Lightnings. When someone hints that there may be structural
> problems with the design and that they are an engineer, it ranks up
> there with insulting someones grandchild. you are gonna get a
> response!!! But we can take it. You are family.
>
> Yes, some gaps or thinness may be present on the leading or trailing
> edges. We all know that. It is just not a big deal. Just fill em with
> whatever, (flox, micro or cloth) keep it light and move along.
>
> my $.02
>
> Doug Koenigsberg
> Not an engineer, but a half-hearted English major of epic proportions.
>
>
> In a message dated 9/12/2008 3:42:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> pennington@q.com writes:
>
>
> It was not my intent to ruffle Arion's feathers. I simply wanted
> to share my build experiences and possibly prevent a problem for
> Lightning builders which could have easily been prevented. I can
> understand how protective the Arion crew is about their aircraft. I
> would be too. Be that as it may, I will continue to share my build
> experiences with the list, as I'm sure Nick will continue to rebut.
> Looking at this from a different perspective, perhaps Arion should be
> thankful that builders provide a "heads up" when possible problems
> exist. This way, they could investigate and improve on a beautiful
> product and perhaps save themselves considerable liability. Truthfully
> though, I am more concerned with my safety and that of other Lightning
> pilots than I am with Arion's feathers.
>
> To re-address the issue of thin leading edges, I can assure you
> that I didn't just fall off the turnip truck. I have considerable
> engineering background and experience and I know "thin"! When I lightly
> pressed on my leading edges, some edges had the consistency of tissue
> paper. Likewise, some of the trailing edges had gaps of approximately
> 1/16". When squeezing the surfaces together, not only were they not
> bonded 2", they were not bonded at all.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
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> latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com
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>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: htning-List: |
Nick
I believe you missed a great opportunity. An opportunity to demonstrate
to your customers that you really want constructive criticism from them,
rather than chastising them for it.
I have clearly explained the areas in question in my previous emails. I
will not repeat it. Further, I have already repaired the faulty areas,
primed them, sanded them and they are ready for paint. In the future, if
I find other areas of concern, I will photograph them and attach them
with emails as you suggest.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: flylightning<mailto:info@flylightning.net>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:42 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List:
Gary,
It would be very interesting to see this paper thin glass as you are
describing. Tex has mentioned something similar however this was about
kit#1. Your kit being a significantly later one I am surprised to hear
of this. Also exactly what parts? Certainly not the vertical stab as
suggested. The only leading edges that could exhibit this would be the
horizontal tail and it is very unlikely that the leading edges are not
bonded.
I never suggested you fell off the turnip truck, but it is important
to have the correct information before making assumption on why or how
something may be done. What is thin? We are working on a metal aircraft
here and to me the .016 skins on the horizontal tail are thin, now that
does not mean they should be thicker, heavier is not always better.
There isn't a spot on the fuse or leading edges for that matter that are
thinner than 0.0625 and that would be the leading edges of the
horizontal tail, the rudder, flaps. That is than backed up by the
bonding flange which is twice as thick. It is possible to have small
voids in this, but no areas where the glue is absent. This may feel like
a thin spot but is not a structural problem. Like wise with the trailing
edges, you may be able to squeeze the tailing edges together and get it
to separate, did you try using a feeler gauge inside to see if the glue
was void or not? Take a picture and send it or ship the parts back for
inspection, this is a good option.
We welcome builders to share there issues and concerns that is what
makes the product better. But get all the facts before making
assumptions on how we took all this weight out and did not think about
the structural integrity of the part. It is safe to say we didn't stand
back and say "that looks straight" when we engineered the thing either.
I just speak form experience with the aircraft I have personally built
3, the prototype, serial #29, and serial# 59, so I believe I get a good
look at the evolution the product and have a good spread of what we are
putting out.
If you have an issue share as you like but please send photos for
reference and do not make assumptions.
Besides Arion was not a Bird but a horse and has no feathers to
Ruffle.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY
PENNINGTON
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:40 PM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List:
To the Lightning list
It was not my intent to ruffle Arion's feathers. I simply wanted to
share my build experiences and possibly prevent a problem for Lightning
builders which could have easily been prevented. I can understand how
protective the Arion crew is about their aircraft. I would be too. Be
that as it may, I will continue to share my build experiences with the
list, as I'm sure Nick will continue to rebut. Looking at this from a
different perspective, perhaps Arion should be thankful that builders
provide a "heads up" when possible problems exist. This way, they could
investigate and improve on a beautiful product and perhaps save
themselves considerable liability. Truthfully though, I am more
concerned with my safety and that of other Lightning pilots than I am
with Arion's feathers.
To re-address the issue of thin leading edges, I can assure you that I
didn't just fall off the turnip truck. I have considerable engineering
background and experience and I know "thin"! When I lightly pressed on
my leading edges, some edges had the consistency of tissue paper.
Likewise, some of the trailing edges had gaps of approximately 1/16".
When squeezing the surfaces together, not only were they not bonded 2",
they were not bonded at all.
Thank you. Fly safe.
Gary Pennington
email: pennington@q.com<mailto:pennington@q.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: flylightning<mailto:info@flylightning.net>
To:
lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:11 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List:
Group,
The structure or tail section areas have not been lighten by 150lbs.
The first fuselage shell, everyone knows as the prototype weighed about
140lbs. The current shell weighs 106lbs, a savings of 36 lbs. The flying
surfaces in the tail section i.e.; rudder elevator horizontal tails,
have been lightened by about 1-2lbs apiece. Saving around 6 lbs in the
tail. Other structures like the wings are down from 98lbs panels on the
prototype to 78 lbs on current models. The average weight decrease from
the prototype has been about 80lbs. In no way did Arion Aircraft shave
weight at the cost of structural integrity. Most of the weight savings
came from new core materials, better use of resins thru vacuum infusion,
and yes somewhat lighter lay-ups where on the prototype the schedule
was not what was called for in the design thru a mis-communication long
before production. The small void you may see in the leading edges of
the rudder or even the vertical stab of the fuse is where the two parts
meet and is not a issue. The flying surfaces are in-fact bonded together
with a 2" wide bond strip on the inside which doubtfully you can see.
This would explain why looking at the front it may appear that the
surface are not stripped together when the are. This would be the case
when looking at any of the bonded parts from the seam side. There are no
seams in the leading edge of the elevator. The vertical tail section of
the aircraft has a lay-up schedule of 4oz-10oz-core-10oz-4oz, this is
the shell itself, the half's are than stripped together using 2 layers
of 8" wide 10oz cloth, it is doubt-full that this area was " so thin it
was not safe". All parts are removed from the molds and inspect for
quality. They are than placed in an assembly fixture to be built. The
fiberglass shop responsible for the parts builds many other aircraft
parts of which several have STC's or PMA approvals and go thru very
strict quality control processes. Arion Aircraft has chosen to use these
same processes when manufacturing the components for the Lightning Kit
aircraft .We pride our selves on a good light weight safe part and if a
part does not meet this we would not let it out the door. It is possible
that a part may be incorrect and we would certainly take note. Remember
we put our butts into these things as well, fly family and friends and
would never sacrifice a parts quality or integrity to save a few pounds.
As for the pin holes, dupont sells a very nice high build primer
which works well to fill them.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY
PENNINGTON
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:19 AM
To: lightning-list
Subject: Lightning-List:
Good morning everyone
I have both a build question I would like to ask and a build
situation I'd like to share with everyone.
Question: Does anyone have an easy way to fill those annoying "Pin
Holes"?
Comment: While I was working on the tail and control surfaces, I
found several issues that needed to be addressed.
First, the fiberglass on the leading edges of the
Rudder, elevator and portions of the Vertical Tail were very
thin, and in a couple areas, so thin it would not
have been safe. I re-fiberglassed these areas for structural
integrity. I understand Arion has recently
lightened the tail about 150 lbs. For safety, it may be a good idea
to add one or two pounds back.
Second, the surfaces are laid in molds and the
halves are then bonded together with resin or epoxy.
Many of these bonded seams were not bonded or
poorly bonded. Some were separated by at least 1/16".
I used AeroPoxy to repair these areas. It may be a
good idea to examine your surfaces for the same problem.
Thanks everyone. Fly safe.
Gary Pennington
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| Subject: | Re: Second Annual Lightning Fly-In |
Hi Dennis,
After reading this post I was wondering when an Aussie Lightning Fly In might be
feasible? How many Lightnings are flying in Oz so far and how many are likely
to be flying within the next 12 months?
I would be keen to fly the motorglider across to South Australia just to see several
examples of Lightnings and to talk to owners as I'm sure there would be
many others equally keen to do so.
Laurie Hoffman
Sydney
--- On Sat, 9/13/08, Lightning Aircraft Australia <lightningaustralia@bigpond.com>
wrote:
> From: Lightning Aircraft Australia <lightningaustralia@bigpond.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Second Annual Lightning Fly-In
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 2:52 AM
> HI Buzz, I not sure about modelling the Speedo suit not
> really cut out for that one ,but I hope all of you guys have
> a great time at the annual Lightning Fly In ,wish I could be
> there to join you but unfortunately its a bit to far away.
> Builder assist Lightning No 58 had its inspection today ,so
> we are just waiting for the paperwork to come back & the
> owner Peter Mitchell can get air bourne.
>
> Best Regards, Dennis LIGHTNING AIRCRAFT AUSTRALIA.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: N1BZRich@aol.com
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:55 AM
> Subject: Lightning-List: Second Annual Lightning Fly-In
>
>
> All,
> Looking at the calendar I just realized the Second
> Annual Lightning Fly-In is just two weeks away. Many of you
> have probably already finalized plans to be there for this
> outstanding get together - and that's great. But for
> those of you that have not made up your minds to attend, let
> me encourage you to do so.
> For any Lightning enthusiast or someone contemplating
> building a Lightning in the future there is no better way to
> gather factual information, talk to current builders and
> flyers, and of course hear the word straight form the
> "horse's mouth" - that would be Arion, the
> horse from Greek mythology. Top that off with demonstration
> rides in the new 2008 Lightning Demonstrator, briefings by
> Lightning builders and pilots, and other fun events that the
> SYI guys have planned and you will have a wonderful trip.
> And don't forget the great Tennessee BBQ and pork chops.
>
> Also, I encourage you to bring your spouse. Building
> an airplane turns into a family accomplishment and hopefully
> your spouse is just as enthusiastic as you are.
> One last thing - we are hoping to get an update
> briefing on the latest Lightning Skunk Works experiments.
> As was mentioned in the last newsletter, Arion has been
> doing some testing with the new Olympic Speedo swimsuit
> material with Mark as the test pilot. With the "proper
> encouragement" (lots of beer) perhaps Mark will do a
> "fly-by" wearing his speedo. Can you picture
> that? Get your cameras ready, it may be a "fast
> pass". Yep, faster than a speeding bullet, more
> powerful than a locomotive - it's a bird, it's a
> plane, no it's Mark in his speedo. Hey, Lightning
> dealers, how about you guys (Tom, AL, Greg, Ryan, Doug, and
> Dennis) all "suiting up" in your own speedos for a
> formation "fly-by"? Now that's entertainment
> - Not.
> Blue Skies,
> Buz
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Homecoming Logistics |
All,
With the date approaching, it's time to do a little planning.
I'm flying in this time, so local transport is of interest. How many are
flying in vs driving, i.e. how many and who is renting cars. I'll be happy to
split one.
I prefer staying in Murfreesboro instead of Shelbyville. Its a little
further, but the rates and accommodations are better. Sorry Buz, the Country Inn
just doesn't turn me on. The Ramada Inn at I-24 in Murfreesboro at least has a
waffle iron for their 'free' breakfast.
How many wives are coming? Mine is not partial to how to build an airplane
sessions, and doesn't fly with me. She's not into Walking Horses either. Other
entertainment at SYI is limited.
The Beech Staggerwing museum in Tullahoma is newly expanded, and I hear very
good. They did have an aircraft parking ramp, but I don't know about now.
Afternoon excursion? Its only a 10 min flight.
I heard there is a new Swift Museum somewhere in the area. Anybody know
about that one?
Is there going to be a decent band at Bell Buckle?
Should I bring/wear my speedo? How about my Hank Williams collection?
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