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1. 01:13 AM - Re: (selwyn)
2. 03:25 AM - Re: Homecoming (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
3. 03:32 AM - Re: Homecoming Logistics (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
4. 06:50 AM - Re: (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
5. 06:17 PM - Re: Homecoming Logistics (n5pb@AOL.COM)
6. 06:42 PM - Re: Homecoming Logistics (n5pb@AOL.COM)
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Subject: | Re: htning-List: |
No Doug, I don't think we agree on very much about wing strength except that it
is nice to have enough. The join between the top and bottom skins at the leading
edge is a very important join in terms of the strength of the wing, it just
does not occur precisely on the leading edge in this particular case.
In relation to the bird of paradise, I've been accused of having a decent sized
hooter but, even given that, I think the tail feathers would still be hanging
out.:)
[quote="Kayberg(at)AOL.COM"]In a message dated 9/15/2008 7:20:43 PM Eastern Daylight
Time, selwyn@ellisworks.com.au writes:
>
> This means that the very leading edge is not where the strength is developed,
and gaps right there probably only extend in to meet the bottom skin as
it curves up and under the top skin and don't mean much except the filler
job at the factory was a bit rough. The strength is where the bottom skin
is overlaid by the top skin.
>
> This method is used on many composite sailplanes and is quite successful with
these very long, very high aspect ratio wings.
>
> To Doug and your comments about sawing slots in leading edges and the like,
my recommendation to you is to put those English skills to use reading up
on some basic aircraft structures and flight loads information.
>
Selwyn,
Putting my English skillS to work, MAY THE BIRD OF PARADISE FLY UP YOUR NOSE!!!!
But seriously, we agree about one thing. "The leading edge is not where strength
is developed."
Pardon me for not making that clear.
Doug
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Cheers, Selwyn
Kit 66
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In a message dated 9/15/2008 6:20:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jng62433@AOL.COM writes:
I would even consider sharing a room, if
you don't make fun of my negligee.
The rest of the group should not get excited because I don't sleep
around.
Hey Jim,
Glad to hear you will be at the fly-in. Let me know if Earl accepts
your "invite" to share a room. I will let him borrow my camera to get a photo
of you in your negligee and we will make you the very first Lightning
Newsletter "Centerfold".
Blue Skies,
Buz
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Subject: | Re: Homecoming Logistics |
In a message dated 9/15/2008 10:16:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
n5pb@aol.com writes:
Started my build today! They got me working pretty hard.
Hi Bear,
Great news. They will keep you efficiently "on task" and I am sure you
will get a lot done and learn from a great team.
Looking forward to seeing you later this week - weather permitting this
Thursday. Will you also be there building next week and for the fly-in?
Blue Skies,
Buz
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Subject: | Re: htning-List: |
In a message dated 9/16/2008 4:14:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
selwyn@ellisworks.com.au writes:
No Doug, I don't think we agree on very much about wing strength except that
it is nice to have enough. The join between the top and bottom skins at
the leading edge is a very important join in terms of the strength of the
wing, it just does not occur precisely on the leading edge in this particular
case.
In relation to the bird of paradise, I've been accused of having a decent
sized hooter but, even given that, I think the tail feathers would still be
hanging out.:)
S,
Since one of my nicknames was "Koenigsbeak" I suppose I am over sensitive
to nose stuff and tried to pass it on to you. My apologies to Little
Jimmy Dickens.
And since I am oversensitive about people thinking everything on an airplane
is "structural" I am reacting to implications that if a few spots on the
very leading edge of a Lightning seem thin it is a big tragidy. My problem is
that I build an ultralight based plane as well as Lightnings. While they are
polar opposites in design, they are both very strong airframes. but more
than that, they carry the structural loads very differently. I get tired of
people who have no experience with either one but presume to know a lot because
they have flown spam cans for some time. But the lack of experience doesnt
stop them from telling me how I should do things. Perhaps I am both
oversensitive and hypocritcal.
I will stand my my assertion that if you have a spot in the leading edge of
a Lightning surface that is less than 3-4 inches wide it is no cause for
concern. The leading edge does not carry the airplane, the rest of the skins
and
spars do. Further, if you have to apply more than a couple pounds of
pressure to make that spot move, you are vastly exceeding the load that surface
would be expected to bear.
Of course it is reasonable to fill or repair that spot, but it is a very
small matter.
And thus I shall conclude my vast assertions of dubious portent.
Doug Koenigsberg
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Subject: | Re: Homecoming Logistics |
Thanks Jim,
Second day into it and am reaally learning alot.? Fiberglas layups, power tools,
cutting and drilling into the aircraft, learning tricks of the trade and a whole
lot more! .? Good group to learn alot from.
Take care Jim
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:04 pm
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Homecoming Logistics
Great news Bear!? Best of luck with your build!
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Homecoming Logistics
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Hey Buz,
Started my build today!? They got me working pretty hard.? I'm just now cought
up with my log and pics for day 1.? It will be great to see you on thursday.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM
Sent: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:31 am
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Homecoming Logistics
In a message dated 9/13/2008 9:42:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, EAFerguson@aol.com
writes:
I prefer staying in Murfreesboro instead of Shelbyville. Its a little further,
but the rates and accommodations are better. Sorry Buz, the Country Inn just doesn't
turn me on. The Ramada Inn at I-24 in Murfreesboro at least has a waffle?iron
for their 'free' breakfast.?
Earl.?
????Probably a good choice for several reasons.? Even though the Country Hearth
is only minutes away from SYI, the "special rate" has gone up recently (around
63 per night now instead of 55) and the room "neatness" has varied on my last
several trips there.? They always take care of any problems I mention, but there
should be no problems when a guest arrives.? So your choice to stay further
north is understandable.?
????I plan to fly out, but my current plan is to arrive this Thursday (weather
permitting) and thus be there for a week and a half.? Will be helping them around
the hangar as required and doing some more performance testing on the new
wing tips and any other flying that needs to be done.?
????Looking forward to seeing everyone there.
Buz
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Subject: | Re: Homecoming Logistics |
Buz,
I head home on Saurday and won't be back up til Mid October.?Also have to watch
my vacation days closely so that I can do a quick turn after the mid Oct week?for
week 3.?
Looks like the wx will be good here all week.? Nice temps and low humidity.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM
Sent: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 6:30 am
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Homecoming Logistics
In a message dated 9/15/2008 10:16:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb@aol.com
writes:
Started my build today!? They got me working pretty hard.
Hi Bear,
????Great news.? They will keep you efficiently "on task" and I am sure you will
get a lot done and learn from a great team.???
????Looking forward to seeing you later this week - weather permitting this Thursday.?
Will you also be there building next week and for the fly-in?
Blue Skies,
Buz
Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall
trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
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