---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/16/08: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:13 AM - Re: (selwyn) 2. 03:25 AM - Re: Homecoming (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 3. 03:32 AM - Re: Homecoming Logistics (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 4. 06:50 AM - Re: (Kayberg@AOL.COM) 5. 06:17 PM - Re: Homecoming Logistics (n5pb@AOL.COM) 6. 06:42 PM - Re: Homecoming Logistics (n5pb@AOL.COM) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: From: "selwyn" No Doug, I don't think we agree on very much about wing strength except that it is nice to have enough. The join between the top and bottom skins at the leading edge is a very important join in terms of the strength of the wing, it just does not occur precisely on the leading edge in this particular case. In relation to the bird of paradise, I've been accused of having a decent sized hooter but, even given that, I think the tail feathers would still be hanging out.:) [quote="Kayberg(at)AOL.COM"]In a message dated 9/15/2008 7:20:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, selwyn@ellisworks.com.au writes: > > This means that the very leading edge is not where the strength is developed, and gaps right there probably only extend in to meet the bottom skin as it curves up and under the top skin and don't mean much except the filler job at the factory was a bit rough. The strength is where the bottom skin is overlaid by the top skin. > > This method is used on many composite sailplanes and is quite successful with these very long, very high aspect ratio wings. > > To Doug and your comments about sawing slots in leading edges and the like, my recommendation to you is to put those English skills to use reading up on some basic aircraft structures and flight loads information. > Selwyn, Putting my English skillS to work, MAY THE BIRD OF PARADISE FLY UP YOUR NOSE!!!! But seriously, we agree about one thing. "The leading edge is not where strength is developed." Pardon me for not making that clear. Doug Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014). > [b] -------- Cheers, Selwyn Kit 66 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4526#204526 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:25:23 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Homecoming In a message dated 9/15/2008 6:20:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jng62433@AOL.COM writes: I would even consider sharing a room, if you don't make fun of my negligee. The rest of the group should not get excited because I don't sleep around. Hey Jim, Glad to hear you will be at the fly-in. Let me know if Earl accepts your "invite" to share a room. I will let him borrow my camera to get a photo of you in your negligee and we will make you the very first Lightning Newsletter "Centerfold". Blue Skies, Buz **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:45 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Homecoming Logistics In a message dated 9/15/2008 10:16:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb@aol.com writes: Started my build today! They got me working pretty hard. Hi Bear, Great news. They will keep you efficiently "on task" and I am sure you will get a lot done and learn from a great team. Looking forward to seeing you later this week - weather permitting this Thursday. Will you also be there building next week and for the fly-in? Blue Skies, Buz **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:03 AM PST US From: Kayberg@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: In a message dated 9/16/2008 4:14:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, selwyn@ellisworks.com.au writes: No Doug, I don't think we agree on very much about wing strength except that it is nice to have enough. The join between the top and bottom skins at the leading edge is a very important join in terms of the strength of the wing, it just does not occur precisely on the leading edge in this particular case. In relation to the bird of paradise, I've been accused of having a decent sized hooter but, even given that, I think the tail feathers would still be hanging out.:) S, Since one of my nicknames was "Koenigsbeak" I suppose I am over sensitive to nose stuff and tried to pass it on to you. My apologies to Little Jimmy Dickens. And since I am oversensitive about people thinking everything on an airplane is "structural" I am reacting to implications that if a few spots on the very leading edge of a Lightning seem thin it is a big tragidy. My problem is that I build an ultralight based plane as well as Lightnings. While they are polar opposites in design, they are both very strong airframes. but more than that, they carry the structural loads very differently. I get tired of people who have no experience with either one but presume to know a lot because they have flown spam cans for some time. But the lack of experience doesnt stop them from telling me how I should do things. Perhaps I am both oversensitive and hypocritcal. I will stand my my assertion that if you have a spot in the leading edge of a Lightning surface that is less than 3-4 inches wide it is no cause for concern. The leading edge does not carry the airplane, the rest of the skins and spars do. Further, if you have to apply more than a couple pounds of pressure to make that spot move, you are vastly exceeding the load that surface would be expected to bear. Of course it is reasonable to fill or repair that spot, but it is a very small matter. And thus I shall conclude my vast assertions of dubious portent. Doug Koenigsberg **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Homecoming Logistics From: n5pb@AOL.COM Thanks Jim, Second day into it and am reaally learning alot.? Fiberglas layups, power tools, cutting and drilling into the aircraft, learning tricks of the trade and a whole lot more! .? Good group to learn alot from. Take care Jim Bear -----Original Message----- From: Jim Langley Sent: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:04 pm Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Homecoming Logistics Great news Bear!? Best of luck with your build! ? From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Homecoming Logistics ? Hey Buz, Started my build today!? They got me working pretty hard.? I'm just now cought up with my log and pics for day 1.? It will be great to see you on thursday. Bear -----Original Message----- From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Sent: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:31 am Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Homecoming Logistics In a message dated 9/13/2008 9:42:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, EAFerguson@aol.com writes: I prefer staying in Murfreesboro instead of Shelbyville. Its a little further, but the rates and accommodations are better. Sorry Buz, the Country Inn just doesn't turn me on. The Ramada Inn at I-24 in Murfreesboro at least has a waffle?iron for their 'free' breakfast.? Earl.? ????Probably a good choice for several reasons.? Even though the Country Hearth is only minutes away from SYI, the "special rate" has gone up recently (around 63 per night now instead of 55) and the room "neatness" has varied on my last several trips there.? They always take care of any problems I mention, but there should be no problems when a guest arrives.? So your choice to stay further north is understandable.? ????I plan to fly out, but my current plan is to arrive this Thursday (weather permitting) and thus be there for a week and a half.? Will be helping them around the hangar as required and doing some more performance testing on the new wing tips and any other flying that needs to be done.? ????Looking forward to seeing everyone there. Buz Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. ? ? ? Looking for spoilers and reviews on the new TV season? Get AOL's ultimate guide to fall TV. ? ? http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Homecoming Logistics From: n5pb@AOL.COM Buz, I head home on Saurday and won't be back up til Mid October.?Also have to watch my vacation days closely so that I can do a quick turn after the mid Oct week?for week 3.? Looks like the wx will be good here all week.? Nice temps and low humidity. Bear -----Original Message----- From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Sent: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 6:30 am Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Homecoming Logistics In a message dated 9/15/2008 10:16:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb@aol.com writes: Started my build today!? They got me working pretty hard. Hi Bear, ????Great news.? They will keep you efficiently "on task" and I am sure you will get a lot done and learn from a great team.??? ????Looking forward to seeing you later this week - weather permitting this Thursday.? Will you also be there building next week and for the fly-in? Blue Skies, Buz Psssst...Have you heard the news? 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