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1. 09:33 AM - Re: fuel quantity indication problems (WILLIAM O FISHER)
2. 01:48 PM - Re: fuel quantity indication problems (IFLYSMODEL@AOL.COM)
3. 02:01 PM - Re: fuel quantity indication problems (WILLIAM O FISHER)
4. 02:15 PM - Re: fuel quantity indication problems (Mefford, Walt)
5. 02:28 PM - Re: fuel quantity indication problems (WILLIAM O FISHER)
6. 02:43 PM - Re: fuel quantity indication problems (ryan@greenlandings.com)
7. 03:57 PM - (no subject) (IFLYSMODEL@aol.com)
8. 04:27 PM - need pictures (Tex Mantell)
9. 04:31 PM - Fuel flow meter (Tex Mantell)
10. 05:12 PM - Re: need pictures (IFLYSMODEL@AOL.COM)
11. 05:13 PM - Re: Fuel flow meter (IFLYSMODEL@AOL.COM)
12. 06:01 PM - Re: need pictures (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS)
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Subject: | Re: fuel quantity indication problems |
Lynn:
I had one sender that appeared to calibrate (right) and one that even
Nick could not get to calibrate (left).
During the forty hour fly-off the EIS quit indicting correctly for the
right tank.
I made a dip stick, eventually got around to replacing the left sender.
The new sender calibrated properly the first try. But the EIS still
showed very low reading on the right tank.
I measured the voltage between the red wire (power) and the black wire
(ground), was about 12 volts.
I measure the voltage between the black wire (ground) and the yellow
wire (signal) , was almost 5 volts (full)
I checked the continuity of the signal wire to the connector on the back
of the EIS.
All three wires need to be connected for operation.
I recalibrated the right sender.
The EIS still showed a few tenths of a gallon when I Knew the tank was
full.
I tried changing the + to a -, the EIS then read 0 so I changed the -
back to a + and the EIS started showing 11 gallons.
I still don't know what actually fixed the problem!
Lynn, did you install your senders with the tip down or up?.
Bill
N838BF Kit #44, 85 hours
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To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: fuel quantity indication problems
Hey Lightning gang: I finally got my Lightning home, only to discover
that my fuel quantity indications stay at the maximum all the time. I
have checked the senders (Nick says they are calibrated properly) and
they appear to be working properly. The red wire is hooked to power, the
black to ground, so the third (yellow) is hooked to the Grand Rapids
Technology (GRT) EIS. If you un plug the sender, the EIS reads nothing,
and when you plug it back in with power, the EIS reading goes to maximum
(with about 5 gallons in the tank). The codes are set to what GRT
recommends. I have changed the plus to minus and get minimum (zero) fuel
indication. I am out of ideas.
I have corresponded with Arion several times. and tried everything
Nick suggested to no avail. Have any of you builders experienced this
sort of problem? And if so, how did you solve it?
My fuel flow works OK, and gives me a reasonable totalizer
indication. So I know about how much fuel I have remaining. Any
help/ideas would be appreciated.
Lynn Nelsen
Kit # 60 N13LN
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Subject: | Re: fuel quantity indication problems |
Hey Bill: I am glad you got your fuel indication fixed. During a steep turn
to down wind Saturday evening, my right tank suddenly showed 6 gal (which
was about correct) when I leveled the wings the indication went up to 12 (15
gal tank) and stayed that way through shut down. Next morning it was back to
its 14.1 reading where it has been since first I saw the plane in Florida.
I am at a loss too. I did not install the senders (Nick did it) so I assume
they are in right.
Lynn
N13LN Kit # 60, 30 hours
In a message dated 10/13/2008 12:34:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bfisher6858@msn.com writes:
Lynn:
I had one sender that appeared to calibrate (right) and one that even Nick
could not get to calibrate (left).
During the forty hour fly-off the EIS quit indicting correctly for the right
tank.
I made a dip stick, eventually got around to replacing the left sender.
The new sender calibrated properly the first try. But the EIS still showed
very low reading on the right tank.
I measured the voltage between the red wire (power) and the black wire
(ground), was about 12 volts.
I measure the voltage between the black wire (ground) and the yellow wire
(signal) , was almost 5 volts (full)
I checked the continuity of the signal wire to the connector on the back of
the EIS.
All three wires need to be connected for operation.
I recalibrated the right sender.
The EIS still showed a few tenths of a gallon when I Knew the tank was full.
I tried changing the + to a -, the EIS then read 0 so I changed the - back
to a + and the EIS started showing 11 gallons.
I still don't know what actually fixed the problem!
Lynn, did you install your senders with the tip down or up?.
Bill
N838BF Kit #44, 85 hours
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Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: fuel quantity indication problems
Hey Lightning gang: I finally got my Lightning home, only to discover that
my fuel quantity indications stay at the maximum all the time. I have checked
the senders (Nick says they are calibrated properly) and they appear to be
working properly. The red wire is hooked to power, the black to ground, so the
third (yellow) is hooked to the Grand Rapids Technology (GRT) EIS. If you un
plug the sender, the EIS reads nothing, and when you plug it back in with
power, the EIS reading goes to maximum (with about 5 gallons in the tank). The
codes are set to what GRT recommends. I have changed the plus to minus and get
minimum (zero) fuel indication. I am out of ideas.
I have corresponded with Arion several times. and tried everything Nick
suggested to no avail. Have any of you builders experienced this sort of
problem? And if so, how did you solve it?
My fuel flow works OK, and gives me a reasonable totalizer indication.
So I know about how much fuel I have remaining. Any help/ideas would be
appreciated.
Lynn Nelsen
Kit # 60 N13LN
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Subject: | Re: fuel quantity indication problems |
Lynn: Was the steep bank to the right or left? Bill
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To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: fuel quantity indication problems
Hey Bill: I am glad you got your fuel indication fixed. During a
steep turn to down wind Saturday evening, my right tank suddenly showed
6 gal (which was about correct) when I leveled the wings the indication
went up to 12 (15 gal tank) and stayed that way through shut down. Next
morning it was back to its 14.1 reading where it has been since first I
saw the plane in Florida.
I am at a loss too. I did not install the senders (Nick did it) so I
assume they are in right.
Lynn
N13LN Kit # 60, 30 hours
In a message dated 10/13/2008 12:34:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bfisher6858@msn.com writes:
Lynn:
I had one sender that appeared to calibrate (right) and one that
even Nick could not get to calibrate (left).
During the forty hour fly-off the EIS quit indicting correctly for
the right tank.
I made a dip stick, eventually got around to replacing the left
sender.
The new sender calibrated properly the first try. But the EIS still
showed very low reading on the right tank.
I measured the voltage between the red wire (power) and the black
wire (ground), was about 12 volts.
I measure the voltage between the black wire (ground) and the yellow
wire (signal) , was almost 5 volts (full)
I checked the continuity of the signal wire to the connector on the
back of the EIS.
All three wires need to be connected for operation.
I recalibrated the right sender.
The EIS still showed a few tenths of a gallon when I Knew the tank
was full.
I tried changing the + to a -, the EIS then read 0 so I changed the
- back to a + and the EIS started showing 11 gallons.
I still don't know what actually fixed the problem!
Lynn, did you install your senders with the tip down or up?.
Bill
N838BF Kit #44, 85 hours
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To:
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Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: fuel quantity indication problems
Hey Lightning gang: I finally got my Lightning home, only to
discover that my fuel quantity indications stay at the maximum all the
time. I have checked the senders (Nick says they are calibrated
properly) and they appear to be working properly. The red wire is hooked
to power, the black to ground, so the third (yellow) is hooked to the
Grand Rapids Technology (GRT) EIS. If you un plug the sender, the EIS
reads nothing, and when you plug it back in with power, the EIS reading
goes to maximum (with about 5 gallons in the tank). The codes are set to
what GRT recommends. I have changed the plus to minus and get minimum
(zero) fuel indication. I am out of ideas.
I have corresponded with Arion several times. and tried
everything Nick suggested to no avail. Have any of you builders
experienced this sort of problem? And if so, how did you solve it?
My fuel flow works OK, and gives me a reasonable totalizer
indication. So I know about how much fuel I have remaining. Any
help/ideas would be appreciated.
Lynn Nelsen
Kit # 60 N13LN
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Subject: | fuel quantity indication problems |
I suspect that mine has a similar problem. It has not moved off of full
on either tank (15 gal) although I have burned approximately 8 to 10
gallons in taxi runs. The wiring appears to be correct to the EIS.
Walt Mefford
N881WP (#55)
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Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: fuel quantity indication problems
Hey Bill: I am glad you got your fuel indication fixed. During a steep
turn to down wind Saturday evening, my right tank suddenly showed 6 gal
(which was about correct) when I leveled the wings the indication went
up to 12 (15 gal tank) and stayed that way through shut down. Next
morning it was back to its 14.1 reading where it has been since first I
saw the plane in Florida.
I am at a loss too. I did not install the senders (Nick did it) so I
assume they are in right.
Lynn
N13LN Kit # 60, 30 hours
In a message dated 10/13/2008 12:34:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bfisher6858@msn.com writes:
Lynn:
I had one sender that appeared to calibrate (right) and one
that even Nick could not get to calibrate (left).
During the forty hour fly-off the EIS quit indicting correctly
for the right tank.
I made a dip stick, eventually got around to replacing the left
sender.
The new sender calibrated properly the first try. But the EIS
still showed very low reading on the right tank.
I measured the voltage between the red wire (power) and the
black wire (ground), was about 12 volts.
I measure the voltage between the black wire (ground) and the
yellow wire (signal) , was almost 5 volts (full)
I checked the continuity of the signal wire to the connector on
the back of the EIS.
All three wires need to be connected for operation.
I recalibrated the right sender.
The EIS still showed a few tenths of a gallon when I Knew the
tank was full.
I tried changing the + to a -, the EIS then read 0 so I changed
the - back to a + and the EIS started showing 11 gallons.
I still don't know what actually fixed the problem!
Lynn, did you install your senders with the tip down or up?.
Bill
N838BF Kit #44, 85 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: IFLYSMODEL@aol.com
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: fuel quantity indication
problems
Hey Lightning gang: I finally got my Lightning home,
only to discover that my fuel quantity indications stay at the maximum
all the time. I have checked the senders (Nick says they are calibrated
properly) and they appear to be working properly. The red wire is hooked
to power, the black to ground, so the third (yellow) is hooked to the
Grand Rapids Technology (GRT) EIS. If you un plug the sender, the EIS
reads nothing, and when you plug it back in with power, the EIS reading
goes to maximum (with about 5 gallons in the tank). The codes are set to
what GRT recommends. I have changed the plus to minus and get minimum
(zero) fuel indication. I am out of ideas.
I have corresponded with Arion several times. and
tried everything Nick suggested to no avail. Have any of you builders
experienced this sort of problem? And if so, how did you solve it?
My fuel flow works OK, and gives me a reasonable
totalizer indication. So I know about how much fuel I have remaining.
Any help/ideas would be appreciated.
Lynn Nelsen
Kit # 60 N13LN
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Subject: | Re: fuel quantity indication problems |
Walt:
I think your senders were installed with the tips down close to the
bottom of the tank.
This should give you the most accurate reading were you need it, near
empty.
Like my Dodge van, you have to burn a substantial amount of fuel to get
the needle off of FULL.
It would logically be more in a 15 gal than in an eleven gallon
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From: Mefford, Walt<mailto:walt.mefford@garmin.com>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:14 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: fuel quantity indication problems
I suspect that mine has a similar problem. It has not moved off of
full on either tank (15 gal) although I have burned approximately 8 to
10 gallons in taxi runs. The wiring appears to be correct to the EIS.
Walt Mefford
N881WP (#55)
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Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:48 PM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: fuel quantity indication problems
Hey Bill: I am glad you got your fuel indication fixed. During a
steep turn to down wind Saturday evening, my right tank suddenly showed
6 gal (which was about correct) when I leveled the wings the indication
went up to 12 (15 gal tank) and stayed that way through shut down. Next
morning it was back to its 14.1 reading where it has been since first I
saw the plane in Florida.
I am at a loss too. I did not install the senders (Nick did it) so I
assume they are in right.
Lynn
N13LN Kit # 60, 30 hours
In a message dated 10/13/2008 12:34:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bfisher6858@msn.com writes:
Lynn:
I had one sender that appeared to calibrate (right) and one that
even Nick could not get to calibrate (left).
During the forty hour fly-off the EIS quit indicting correctly for
the right tank.
I made a dip stick, eventually got around to replacing the left
sender.
The new sender calibrated properly the first try. But the EIS still
showed very low reading on the right tank.
I measured the voltage between the red wire (power) and the black
wire (ground), was about 12 volts.
I measure the voltage between the black wire (ground) and the yellow
wire (signal) , was almost 5 volts (full)
I checked the continuity of the signal wire to the connector on the
back of the EIS.
All three wires need to be connected for operation.
I recalibrated the right sender.
The EIS still showed a few tenths of a gallon when I Knew the tank
was full.
I tried changing the + to a -, the EIS then read 0 so I changed the
- back to a + and the EIS started showing 11 gallons.
I still don't know what actually fixed the problem!
Lynn, did you install your senders with the tip down or up?.
Bill
N838BF Kit #44, 85 hours
----- Original Message -----
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To:
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Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: fuel quantity indication problems
Hey Lightning gang: I finally got my Lightning home, only to
discover that my fuel quantity indications stay at the maximum all the
time. I have checked the senders (Nick says they are calibrated
properly) and they appear to be working properly. The red wire is hooked
to power, the black to ground, so the third (yellow) is hooked to the
Grand Rapids Technology (GRT) EIS. If you un plug the sender, the EIS
reads nothing, and when you plug it back in with power, the EIS reading
goes to maximum (with about 5 gallons in the tank). The codes are set to
what GRT recommends. I have changed the plus to minus and get minimum
(zero) fuel indication. I am out of ideas.
I have corresponded with Arion several times. and tried
everything Nick suggested to no avail. Have any of you builders
experienced this sort of problem? And if so, how did you solve it?
My fuel flow works OK, and gives me a reasonable totalizer
indication. So I know about how much fuel I have remaining. Any
help/ideas would be appreciated.
Lynn Nelsen
Kit # 60 N13LN
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Hey Bill: the bank was to the left. I wrote Nick about it this morning but
have not got an answer yet.
Lynn
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and suggestions that others have tried. Thanks Tex
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I have been considering getting the flow meter sender. I believe the EIS
is wired for it. Does it read total fuel used as well as present rate of
flow? Any comments welcomed. Thanks Tex
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Subject: | Re: need pictures |
Hey Tex: I have to admit that Mark put mine in. Two pictures are attached.
Lynn
In a message dated 10/13/2008 7:27:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
wb2ssj@frontiernet.net writes:
I am about to install my wing servo for the auto pilot. Need some ideas and
suggestions that others have tried. Thanks Tex
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Subject: | Re: Fuel flow meter |
Hey Tex: Yes, it does read both. If you have the GRT EFIS, it will show on
there as well
Lynn
In a message dated 10/13/2008 7:32:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
wb2ssj@frontiernet.net writes:
I have been considering getting the flow meter sender. I believe the EIS is
wired for it. Does it read total fuel used as well as present rate of flow?
Any comments welcomed. Thanks Tex
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Subject: | Re: need pictures |
Tex,
Mine are approximately the same as Lynn's.
Linda
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Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: need pictures
Hey Tex: I have to admit that Mark put mine in. Two pictures are
attached.
Lynn
In a message dated 10/13/2008 7:27:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
wb2ssj@frontiernet.net writes:
I am about to install my wing servo for the auto pilot. Need some
ideas and suggestions that others have tried. Thanks Tex
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