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1. 10:47 AM - Next checkride requirement (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
2. 11:02 AM - Re: Next checkride requirement (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
3. 01:39 PM - Re: Next checkride requirement (EAFerguson@AOL.COM)
4. 01:49 PM - Re: Next checkride requirement (Mark Stauffer)
5. 01:53 PM - Re: Next checkride requirement (Jim Langley)
6. 03:02 PM - Re: Next checkride requirement (Brian Whittingham)
7. 05:13 PM - Re: Next checkride requirement (Wayne Lenox)
8. 05:25 PM - Re: Next checkride requirement (Jim Langley)
9. 07:11 PM - Re: Next checkride requirement (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
10. 07:21 PM - Re: Next checkride requirement (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
11. 07:50 PM - More info on amazing wing loss landing (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
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Subject: | Next checkride requirement |
All,
It will be worth your time to go to the below site and watch the video.
This maneuver may very well become a requirement on your next check ride.
Ask your instructor to teach you this. Be prepared.
Blue skies,
Buz
_http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08102703.html_
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Subject: | Re: Next checkride requirement |
In a message dated 10/29/2008 1:48:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich@aol.com writes:
All,
It will be worth your time to go to the below site and watch the video.
This maneuver may very well become a requirement on your next check ride.
Ask your instructor to teach you this. Be prepared.
Blue skies,
Buz
_http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08102703.html_
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Buz,
We will look forward to your flight testing of the maneuver in the Factory
Demo.....
You experienced types should set the pace.
After watching this, I needed clean underwear. (or at least cleanER
underwear)
Doug Koenigsberg
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Subject: | Re: Next checkride requirement |
In a message dated 10/29/2008 1:48:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich@aol.com writes:
All,
It will be worth your time to go to the below site and watch the video.
This maneuver may very well become a requirement on your next check ride.
Ask your instructor to teach you this. Be prepared.
Blue skies,
Buz
Buz,
I watched, but I don't believe. Clean break at the wing, no trailing wires
or parts. No close up of the joint after the landing.
Would you have stayed with this bird? Surely he had a chute!
Earl
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Subject: | Next checkride requirement |
I think it's a clever use of movie editing tools. I'm pretty certain it's a
model and they edited in the last 3-4 seconds of the actual full size
aircraft.
Just my thoughts.....
At least it wasn't a video of a Zenith 601XL!!
Mark
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Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Next checkride requirement
In a message dated 10/29/2008 1:48:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich@aol.com writes:
All,
It will be worth your time to go to the below site and watch the
video. This maneuver may very well become a requirement on your next check
ride. Ask your instructor to teach you this. Be prepared.
Blue skies,
Buz
Buz,
I watched, but I don't believe. Clean break at the wing, no trailing wires
or parts. No close up of the joint after the landing.
Would you have stayed with this bird? Surely he had a chute!
Earl
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Subject: | Re: Next checkride requirement |
One of the IMAC meets (Radio control), that I flew in about 3-4 years ago
had this type of accident with the same result. We were all flying 35-45%
aircraft and a guy lost a wing just like this. He saved it in the same way.
Made me thing that this was RC with some really good video editing...?
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:39 PM, <EAFerguson@aol.com> wrote:
> In a message dated 10/29/2008 1:48:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> N1BZRich@aol.com writes:
>
> All,
> It will be worth your time to go to the below site and watch the
> video. This maneuver may very well become a requirement on your next check
> ride. Ask your instructor to teach you this. Be prepared.
> Blue skies,
> Buz
>
> Buz,
>
> I watched, but I don't believe. Clean break at the wing, no trailing wires
> or parts. No close up of the joint after the landing.
>
> Would you have stayed with this bird? Surely he had a chute!
>
> Earl
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Subject: | Next checkride requirement |
It's no coincidence that right during the time of touchdown that the aircra
ft goes out of focus and even at that seems to "jump" unnaturally. This is
an imaginative mind with bad video editing.
Having said that=2C I remember in AOPA magazine a few years ago in the back
=2C the question section=2C there was a true or false about a guy landing w
ith one wing. I don't remember the guys name=2C but I wish I could find th
e story again. I do remember he was up after the plane come out of mainten
ance and he was flying an aerobatic plane. As he didn't plane on doing any
aerobatics he didn't wear a chute. He heard a popping noise and looked ov
er at his wing which was failing upwards. At this point he rolled the airp
lane inverted away from the failing wing to keep pressure on the top of the
wing (relative I realize). He then proceeded inverted using only slight r
udde to turn. At this point he realized he should've brought a chute and h
ad time to think about what a bad situation he was in. So he got the plane
down low and planned to roll the airplane upright away from the bad wing.
He thought it might give him a chance to live through it. He got down low
and proceeded to roll. As the wing translated its load the wing failed up
ward. The plane hit hard. I think the damage was that the plane nosed ove
r=2C but not on its back. So the plane was mostly ok=2C the pilot was fine
. Sorry I don't have the reference for the story.
Another good and common story was the Israeli F-15 that had one wing totall
y missing and flew back to base and landed. That one was caught on video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_EXtBEaBbs I wouldn't exactly believe th
e part where he says "MD flew out and said it wasn't possible=2C that physi
cs wouldn't allow it." Other than that=2C great story. Brian W.
ng-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Lightning-List: Next checkride requiremen
t
One of the IMAC meets (Radio control)=2C that I flew in about 3-4 years ago
had this type of accident with the same result. We were all flying 35-45%
aircraft and a guy lost a wing just like this. He saved it in the same wa
y.
Made me thing that this was RC with some really good video editing...?
On Wed=2C Oct 29=2C 2008 at 4:39 PM=2C <EAFerguson@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 10/29/2008 1:48:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C N1BZRic
h@aol.com writes:
All=2C
It will be worth your time to go to the below site and watch the video.
This maneuver may very well become a requirement on your next check ride.
Ask your instructor to teach you this. Be prepared.
Blue skies=2C
Buz
Buz=2C
I watched=2C but I don't believe. Clean break at the wing=2C no trailing wi
res or parts. No close up of the joint after the landing.
Would you have stayed with this bird? Surely he had a chute!
Earl
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Subject: | Re: Next checkride requirement |
OK BUZ how did he do that. Must be a test pilot!!!!
Wayne
-- N1BZRich@aol.com wrote:
All, It will be worth your time to go to the below site and watch the
video. This maneuver may very well become a requirement on your next c
heck ride. Ask your instructor to teach you this. Be prepared.Blue ski
es,Buzhttp://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08102703.html
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Subject: | Next checkride requirement |
What this RC guy did is actually a pretty common maneuver in most aerobatic
competitions. Most all aerobatic RC airplanes can perform stunts like the
knife edge that he used to land. What makes it possible to land in the
knife edge is the extreme power to weight ratio that an RC airplane has.
Maneuvers like knife edge loops, knife edge into hover are all possible with
a talented pilot. He just flew it in a high alpha knife edge close to hover
and then rolled it to gear down once he got close to the ground. The high
alpha maneuver slows the aircraft to a crawl.
Very difficult, but not at all beyond the skills of a good RC pilot. Ask
Nick, I can guarantee, he flies knife edge all the time.
Here is a pic of me flying a low level high alpha knife edge in a photo
shoot for FLY RC magazine. That is an electric conversion of a glow model
and the motor could yank the airplane out of the knife edge with very little
rudder input. The airplane is actually flying with very little forward
speed. If I remember correctly, my daughter caught me just before I lost
my nerve and climbed away from the ground.
Jim!
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Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Next checkride requirement
It's no coincidence that right during the time of touchdown that the
aircraft goes out of focus and even at that seems to "jump" unnaturally.
This is an imaginative mind with bad video editing.
Having said that, I remember in AOPA magazine a few years ago in the back,
the question section, there was a true or false about a guy landing with one
wing. I don't remember the guys name, but I wish I could find the story
again. I do remember he was up after the plane come out of maintenance and
he was flying an aerobatic plane. As he didn't plane on doing any
aerobatics he didn't wear a chute. He heard a popping noise and looked over
at his wing which was failing upwards. At this point he rolled the airplane
inverted away from the failing wing to keep pressure on the top of the wing
(relative I realize). He then proceeded inverted using only slight rudde to
turn. At this point he realized he should've brought a chute and had time
to think about what a bad situation he was in. So he got the plane down low
and planned to roll the airplane upright away from the bad wing. He thought
it might give him a chance to live through it. He got down low and
proceeded to roll. As the wing translated its load the wing failed upward.
The plane hit hard. I think the damage was that the plane nosed over, but
not on its back. So the plane was mostly ok, the pilot was fine. Sorry I
don't have the reference for the story.
Another good and common story was the Israeli F-15 that had one wing totally
missing and flew back to base and landed. That one was caught on video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_EXtBEaBbs I wouldn't exactly believe the
part where he says "MD flew out and said it wasn't possible, that physics
wouldn't allow it." Other than that, great story. Brian W.
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Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Next checkride requirement
One of the IMAC meets (Radio control), that I flew in about 3-4 years ago
had this type of accident with the same result. We were all flying 35-45%
aircraft and a guy lost a wing just like this. He saved it in the same way.
Made me thing that this was RC with some really good video editing...?
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:39 PM, <EAFerguson@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 10/29/2008 1:48:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich@aol.com writes:
All,
It will be worth your time to go to the below site and watch the video.
This maneuver may very well become a requirement on your next check ride.
Ask your instructor to teach you this. Be prepared.
Blue skies,
Buz
Buz,
I watched, but I don't believe. Clean break at the wing, no trailing wires
or parts. No close up of the joint after the landing.
Would you have stayed with this bird? Surely he had a chute!
Earl
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Subject: | Re: Next checkride requirement |
Lightning list,
I know many of you are convinced this is a fake video probably done by an
accomplished RC pilot. I am not so sure. If you have been following the
capabilities of unlimited aerobatic aircraft (full size people carrying airplanes)
recently then you know that many of them can actually accomplish knife edge
loops. The very powerful engines and highly responsive rudder authority
would allow that type of landing at much below normal wing stall speeds. Of
course it wasn't a smooth landing, more like a hard plop down, but damn, the
timing was right on. Also, it looks like an airplane and course that I have seen
in the Red Bull contest. Time will tell, but as I said, I kind of think it
is the real thing. Below is what one of the Beechcraft list guys had to say
about the video.
Buz
Well folks, I watched the landing VERY carefully - stop-frame carefully. I
may be missing something but what I see is an extraordinary exhibition of
skill and cool-headed thinking. Watch again - closely - particularly near
the ending. Just prior to touchdown, while airborne at the most precarious
angle imaginable, you'll see the rudder going full RIGHT to bring the nose
down AND the left aileron deflecting FULL UP - meaning stick simultaneously
slammed full RIGHT (totally counter-intuitive control input) to provide
maximum drag on the LEFT wing; enough to roll the plane left to a
nearly-level touchdown. Whereas the more instinctive control input (left
stick) would have rolled the plane over on it's back - fatally, I'm sure.
Remarkable outcome by any measure!!!!
It's certainly understandable in this age where special effects are
commonplace that such a bizarre event will draw huge skepticism. But
driven mostly by the last few frames of film viewed, my sense is that this
fellow survived as a true TOP GUN.
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Subject: | Re: Next checkride requirement |
In a message dated 10/29/2008 6:03:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dashvii@hotmail.com writes:
So he got the plane down low and planned to roll the airplane upright away
from the bad wing. He thought it might give him a chance to live through it.
He got down low and proceeded to roll. As the wing translated its load the
wing failed upward.
Brain, I remember that as well - it was during the time frame when I was
competing in aerobatic contest in my Pitts. I think it happened in Europe and
I
think the pilot may have been Neil Williams.
Buz
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Subject: | More info on amazing wing loss landing |
More info. I realize some of you are still very skeptical, but here
apparently is a short interview with the pilot in the video. Yes, it could be
"staged" as well, but I doubt that the sponsor would want that kind of "fake"
advertising. You make your final decision, but "I believe".
Buz
http://www.jamesandersson.com/interview.html
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