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Wed 11/05/08


Total Messages Posted: 7



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     0. 12:19 AM - List Fund Raiser  (Matt Dralle)
     1. 03:39 AM - Re: Fuel Filters (selwyn)
     2. 04:11 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Filters (James, Clive R)
     3. 05:05 AM - Re: Fuel Filters (GARY PENNINGTON)
     4. 01:34 PM - FW: 26 Turn Flat Spin in a Tipsy Nipper (James, Clive R)
     5. 02:09 PM - Re: List Fund Raiser  (IFLYSMODEL@AOL.COM)
     6. 05:26 PM - Re: List Fund Raiser  (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:19:55 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: List Fund Raiser
    A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, he or she will instantly cease to receive these Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple. Don't you wish PBS worked that way! :-) I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site like this. It also goes to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List sites. If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages, when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum. The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]


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    Time: 03:39:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel Filters
    From: "selwyn" <selwyn@ellisworks.com.au>
    The "Z" numbers are all Ryco filter numbers, and tend to be the often quoted filter numbers here, but everybody and his dog makes "equivalents" and sells them through el cheapo automotive outlets. The Z15 is a basic nylon enclosed pleated paper filter designed to get the large lumps out of fuel. http://www.rycofilters.com.au/catalogue/product/part/Z15 The Fram G1 is similar. I have a ryco Z15 as a primary filter on the long range tank of my 4WD which has had about 20,000 km worth of diesel through it and shows no sign of blocking, so it is not a fine filter. The oil filter may be a little more critical and my feeling is that you would do well to source a high quality equivalent. On a more general note, why do we have the Z15's in the fuel system anyway? In Jabs they are the main (only?) filter in the fuel system but in the Lightning we have finger filters in the tank pickups which will get out anything likely to block the fuel lines and a gascolator which will get out anything likely to block the jets, what do the Z15's do for us except introduce another source of leaks and blockages? -------- Cheers, Selwyn Kit 66 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212459#212459


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    Time: 04:11:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel Filters
    From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
    Good question Selwyn, we should only filter what can block jets or damage pumps. Let the rest pass through. In my microlight days we used a nylon mesh filter that allowed a certain size of crud to pass through. Previously folk had used paper filters and had issues with them as they blocked up at awkward times (when folk were flying). They also collected water. A reasonably fine nylon mesh filter was the standard fit for the Rotaxes that I flew in those days. I used to back flush it once a year to get rid of what it had caught when I did the annual. They had a see though case so you could visually check them anytime you had the covers off. My Esqual was supplied with nylon mesh filters and that's what I fitted. My Jabiru has the Ryco supplied one though I'm going to look out for a nylon one for that too. I don't have a gascolator, I do drain the tanks before every flight and after every refuel. Regards, Clive Esqual 3300 Jabiru SP 2200 -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn Sent: 05 November 2008 11:39 Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Fuel Filters --> <selwyn@ellisworks.com.au> The "Z" numbers are all Ryco filter numbers, and tend to be the often quoted filter numbers here, but everybody and his dog makes "equivalents" and sells them through el cheapo automotive outlets. The Z15 is a basic nylon enclosed pleated paper filter designed to get the large lumps out of fuel. http://www.rycofilters.com.au/catalogue/product/part/Z15 The Fram G1 is similar. I have a ryco Z15 as a primary filter on the long range tank of my 4WD which has had about 20,000 km worth of diesel through it and shows no sign of blocking, so it is not a fine filter. The oil filter may be a little more critical and my feeling is that you would do well to source a high quality equivalent. On a more general note, why do we have the Z15's in the fuel system anyway? In Jabs they are the main (only?) filter in the fuel system but in the Lightning we have finger filters in the tank pickups which will get out anything likely to block the fuel lines and a gascolator which will get out anything likely to block the jets, what do the Z15's do for us except introduce another source of leaks and blockages? -------- Cheers, Selwyn Kit 66 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212459#212459


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    Time: 05:05:28 AM PST US
    From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington@q.com>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Filters
    Thank you..... to everyone. Have a great day! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS<mailto:lbmathias@verizon.net> To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Fuel Filters Gary, Napa's equivalent to the Ryco Z386 oil filter works just fine in the 3300. I can't remember the part number but it is readily available in the U.S. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: GARY PENNINGTON<mailto:pennington@q.com> To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Fuel Filters Hello Anthony I noticed you listed an oil filter for the Jab 3300 as Z386. What brand is that? Is it available in the US? Thanks Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Catalpa aviation<mailto:catalpaaviation@wideband.net.au> To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Fuel Filters Jim They are just cheap ones from the local auto cheap store, no brand. Same place I obtain oil filters (Z386) and NGK plugs. As a matter of interest what needle jet, main jets have you fitted and how many turns out for the idle jet? How's the election going? Anthony -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-lightning-list-ser ver@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Wednesday, 5 November 2008 8:21 AM To: lightning-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Fuel Filters Thanks Anthony, what brand are the Z15 filters? On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Catalpa aviation <catalpaaviation@wideband.net.au<mailto:catalpaaviation@wideband.net.au>> wrote: Jim I have used the supplied fuel lines and Z15 filters same as Jabiru, no problems at all. Anthony Kit32 -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-lightning-list-ser ver@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-lightning- list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2008 1:26 PM To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com> Subject: Lightning-List: Fuel Filters What are you all using for fuel filters? Also, has everyone used the supplied fuel line? -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on the Contribution link below to find out more about this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts! List Contribution Web Site: --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on> Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. - The Lightning-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List<http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Lightning-List> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com<http://forums.matronics.com/> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- - - Release Date: 11/4/2008 8:26 AM http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List<http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Lightning-List>


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    Time: 01:34:05 PM PST US
    Subject: FW: 26 Turn Flat Spin in a Tipsy Nipper
    From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
    Worth a look if you have 5 mins to spare. Regards, Clive The text from Neil that goes with the video is a follows (If you don't know what happened then read this before watching the video) "The spin was supposed to be a normal erect spin to the right, but for various unintentional reasons the spin went flat, up until that point I had never flat spun an aircraft. I eventualy mananged to get the aircraft into a normal erect spin from which I was able to recover. This aircraft is not fitted with an electric starter motor, so I was unable to restart the engine. During the "flare" to land the main undercarriage caught the top wires of a barbed wire fence that was invisible to me. After coming to rest inverted I waited 20mins for the rescue services to come and right the aircraft so I was able to exit via the outward opening canopy. The aircraft rotated 26 times total, I was extremely dissorientated after the recovery to straight and level flight, and was unable to read the instruments. From the video I estimate I recovered at about 700ft from an entry altitude of 3500ft. If you listen carefully you will hear me say:"I think this is it". At that stage I did not think I would be able to recover. However I continued to try various control inputs based on the aircraft attitude and rotational rate, which eventually effected a recovery. My thanks go to the emergency services that found me and allowed my escape." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvbS-oHi9ro Neil also has some more not quite so harrowing videos on his Youtube channel, including an Aerobatic practice last Friday overhead Boxted !! http://uk.youtube.com/user/goncstube


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    Time: 02:09:37 PM PST US
    From: IFLYSMODEL@AOL.COM
    Subject: Re: List Fund Raiser
    Hey John: I sent a contribution in early November last year and continued to receive all the requests for funds until after they stopped in December. Lynn Nelsen In a message dated 11/5/2008 3:21:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dralle@matronics.com writes: --> Lightning-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, he or she will instantly cease to receive these Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple. Don't you wish PBS worked that way! :-) I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site like this. It also goes to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List sites. If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages, when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum. The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.] **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)


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    Time: 05:26:01 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Re: List Fund Raiser
    Did the email address you made your Contribution with match the email address that was subscribed to the List *exactly*? This is how the filtering is done and if they didn't match exactly, it wouldn't have filtered. Also, the filtering is subject to the limitations described below. [Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages, when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum. The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter.] Matt Dralle Matronics List Admin At 02:09 PM 11/5/2008 Wednesday, you wrote: >Hey John: I sent a contribution in early November last year and continued to receive all the requests for funds until after they stopped in December. >Lynn Nelsen




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