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1. 06:08 AM - Re: Fitting Windows (Colin J. Kennedy)
2. 06:29 AM - Re: Fitting Windows (GARY PENNINGTON)
3. 06:33 AM - Re: Fitting Windows (ryan@greenlandings.com)
4. 06:58 AM - Re: Fitting Windows (James, Clive R)
5. 06:01 PM - Re: Fitting Windows (Colin J. Kennedy)
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Thanks Bear.
Did you have to trim the windows, and if so, how did you do it?
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
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Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
Colin,
Here's a pic of what Mark is talking about.
Good luck.
Paul "Bear" Bryant
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Stauffer <mark@flylightning.net>
Sent: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 2:28 pm
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
<mark@flylightning.net>
Colin,
Epoxy alone will hold the windows in. When using screws make a keeper
that
will hold the window in place and screw through the fuselage, NOT the
window.
Mark
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<mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On?> Behalf Of Colin
J.
Kennedy
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:24 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
<cjk129@cox.net>
When fitting the side windows, now that they are pre-shaped, is it still
necessary to drill and bolt them, or is the epoxy bond enough to hold
them
in place after it is cured?
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
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MessageGood morning Paul
I cut my windows down with a jig saw to rough size and then used an air
sander to smooth them to final size.
To hold them in place while bonding them, I drilled 1/8" holes around
the edge and installed Cleco's. See attached photo.
When the epoxy was almost cured, I removed the Cleco's and soaked them
in Lacquer thinner to remove any epoxy stuck to the Cleco. It worked
well for me.
I've been trying to figure out how to prevent binding and rubbing of the
Rudder cables on the fiberglass stiffener webs at the aft end of the
fuselage. I first tried to install the "U" shaped brackets a little
loose so they would swivel. It helped but did not solve the problem. I
ground the fiberglass away as much as possible but it still rubs and
binds up. The fasteners at the end of the Rudder cables are rigid steel
and about 4" long. They do not flex! There must be a better way to do
this. Any ideas?
Have a great day.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin J. Kennedy<mailto:cjk129@cox.net>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:08 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
Thanks Bear.
Did you have to trim the windows, and if so, how did you do it?
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken<http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken>
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ver@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 6:28 PM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
Colin,
Here's a pic of what Mark is talking about.
Good luck.
Paul "Bear" Bryant
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Stauffer <mark@flylightning.net>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 2:28 pm
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
<mark@flylightning.net<mailto:mark@flylightning.net>>
Colin,
Epoxy alone will hold the windows in. When using screws make a keeper
that
will hold the window in place and screw through the fuselage, NOT the
window.
Mark
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ng-list-server@matronics.com]On?> Behalf Of Colin J.
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Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:24 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
<cjk129@cox.net<mailto:cjk129@cox.net>>
When fitting the side windows, now that they are pre-shaped, is it still
necessary to drill and bolt them, or is the epoxy bond enough to hold
them
in place after it is cured?
Colin K.
OK
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There was loads of trimming of the Perspex (or what ever they are made
of) windows on the Jabiru and the Esqual.
I had best results with a flat 'flap wheel' grinding disc on a 9 inch
angle grinder. Don't know if you have the same kit as we do in the UK.
Picture of what I used attached. It doesn't grind the plastic to dust
rather comes of in small chips.
Felt pen a line on whilst laying the window in place (make it too big)
then grind till the pen line is gone, then offer up and scribe a new
line, repeat process till it drops in the frame.
Whilst handling windows always make sure it's in a warm place so it's
not brittle, careful the disc doesn't chatter, let the disc do the work,
stroke across the edge rather than push at it.
I bonded my Jabiru windows in with flock, the windscreen cracked on a
mounting screw about 3 weeks later and had to be replaced, boy was that
well fixed in.
Great thing about the Esqual was no screws so no drilling though I
fitted a snap vent in one side which was just about the most stressful
job on the plane (3 1/2 inch hole). I would avoid drilling if you can,
the clamps I've seen on some built logs with holes only in the fuse
would be my approach if I did it again.
Have fun, regards Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin J.
Kennedy
Sent: 09 November 2008 14:08
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
Thanks Bear.
Did you have to trim the windows, and if so, how did you do it?
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
n5pb@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 6:28 PM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
Colin,
Here's a pic of what Mark is talking about.
Good luck.
Paul "Bear" Bryant
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Stauffer <mark@flylightning.net>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 2:28 pm
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
<mark@flylightning.net>
Colin,
Epoxy alone will hold the windows in. When using screws make a
keeper that
will hold the window in place and screw through the fuselage,
NOT the
window.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On
<mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On?> Behalf Of Colin
J.
Kennedy
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:24 PM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
<cjk129@cox.net>
When fitting the side windows, now that they are pre-shaped, is
it still
necessary to drill and bolt them, or is the epoxy bond enough to
hold them
in place after it is cured?
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
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Thanks all for the advice on the side windows. Both are now successfully
trimmed and one is bonded in place.
I made sure the environment was warm and used a Dremel with a cutting wheel
to trim, and a sanding block with 150 grade to finish the edges.
I made my clamps out of hard plastic and secured the window like in Bear's
photo.
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James, Clive
R
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:58 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
There was loads of trimming of the Perspex (or what ever they are made
of) windows on the Jabiru and the Esqual.
I had best results with a flat 'flap wheel' grinding disc on a 9 inch angle
grinder. Don't know if you have the same kit as we do in the UK.
Picture of what I used attached. It doesn't grind the plastic to dust rather
comes of in small chips.
Felt pen a line on whilst laying the window in place (make it too big) then
grind till the pen line is gone, then offer up and scribe a new line, repeat
process till it drops in the frame.
Whilst handling windows always make sure it's in a warm place so it's not
brittle, careful the disc doesn't chatter, let the disc do the work, stroke
across the edge rather than push at it.
I bonded my Jabiru windows in with flock, the windscreen cracked on a
mounting screw about 3 weeks later and had to be replaced, boy was that well
fixed in.
Great thing about the Esqual was no screws so no drilling though I fitted a
snap vent in one side which was just about the most stressful job on the
plane (3 1/2 inch hole). I would avoid drilling if you can, the clamps I've
seen on some built logs with holes only in the fuse would be my approach if
I did it again. Have fun, regards Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin J.
Kennedy
Sent: 09 November 2008 14:08
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
Thanks Bear.
Did you have to trim the windows, and if so, how did you do it?
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 6:28 PM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
Colin,
Here's a pic of what Mark is talking about.
Good luck.
Paul "Bear" Bryant
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Stauffer <mark@flylightning.net>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 2:28 pm
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
<mark@flylightning.net>
Colin,
Epoxy alone will hold the windows in. When using screws make a
keeper that
will hold the window in place and screw through the fuselage, NOT
the
window.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On
<mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On?> Behalf Of Colin J.
Kennedy
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:24 PM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
<cjk129@cox.net>
When fitting the side windows, now that they are pre-shaped, is it
still
necessary to drill and bolt them, or is the epoxy bond enough to
hold them
in place after it is cured?
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
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