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0. 12:20 AM - Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution Today! (Matt Dralle)
1. 06:40 AM - Veteran's Day (Brian Whittingham)
2. 07:05 AM - Re: Fitting Windows (flylightning)
3. 08:07 AM - Rudder Cables (GARY PENNINGTON)
4. 12:23 PM - Re: Veteran's Day (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
5. 12:52 PM - Re: Rudder Cables (N1BZRich@aol.com)
6. 01:34 PM - Fw: news letter input Att. Gary (Tex Mantell)
7. 01:57 PM - GRT EFIS seminar (Mark Stauffer)
8. 02:40 PM - Re: Fw: news letter input Att. Gary (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
9. 02:51 PM - N82PB (n5pb@AOL.COM)
10. 03:04 PM - Re: N82PB (Mark Stauffer)
11. 03:11 PM - Another Lightning takes flight (Mark Stauffer)
12. 03:12 PM - Re: N82PB (Wayne Patterson)
13. 03:17 PM - Re: Another Lightning takes flight (Wayne Patterson)
14. 03:33 PM - Re: Another Lightning takes flight (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
15. 03:34 PM - Re: GRT EFIS seminar (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
16. 03:45 PM - Re: Fw: news letter input Att. Gary (GARY PENNINGTON)
17. 04:22 PM - Re: N82PB (Colin J. Kennedy)
18. 04:23 PM - Re: Another Lightning takes flight (Colin J. Kennedy)
19. 06:32 PM - fuel valve (Tex Mantell)
20. 07:07 PM - Re: GRT EFIS seminar (Wayne Lenox)
21. 07:08 PM - Re: GRT EFIS seminar (EAFerguson@AOL.COM)
22. 07:12 PM - Re: GRT EFIS seminar (EAFerguson@AOL.COM)
23. 08:09 PM - Paint Colours (Wayne Patterson)
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| Subject: | Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
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I know there are a lot of veteran's that frequent this site. I just want
ed to say thank you for your service to our great country.
I am currently in Colorado (Canon City) attending the funeral of my wife's
grandfather. I don't think that he would have wanted anybody to lie about
him and say that he was a great family man=2C or a good church going fellow
=2C but he was a veteran and served his country to the best of his abilitie
s. His name was William "Bill" Abercrombie. He flew PT-19's=2C PT-22's=2C
PT-23's=2C L-5's=2C AT-6's=2C P-51's=2C P-40's=2C and O-??'s. He transitio
ned to the Lbirds and Observation aircraft when he had a hearing issue that
kept him from flying high. Even though going from a hot P-51 to an Lbird
wouldn't be most people's choice=2C it kept him in the air and in the Army
Air Corp/Air Force. His service will be on Veteran's Day which I think is
fitting. It is sad to see=2C but all of his old war buddies are gone alrea
dy. I don't guess that you can really ever say happy Veteran's Day=2C but
I just wanted to pass along my respects to all those=2C both young and old
who are active=2C reserve=2C guard=2C or retired from the services. Brian
W.
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Gary,
Ask Tex about his innovation for that.
nick
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY
PENNINGTON
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
Good morning Paul
I cut my windows down with a jig saw to rough size and then used an air
sander to smooth them to final size.
To hold them in place while bonding them, I drilled 1/8" holes around the
edge and installed Cleco's. See attached photo.
When the epoxy was almost cured, I removed the Cleco's and soaked them in
Lacquer thinner to remove any epoxy stuck to the Cleco. It worked well for
me.
I've been trying to figure out how to prevent binding and rubbing of the
Rudder cables on the fiberglass stiffener webs at the aft end of the
fuselage. I first tried to install the "U" shaped brackets a little loose so
they would swivel. It helped but did not solve the problem. I ground the
fiberglass away as much as possible but it still rubs and binds up. The
fasteners at the end of the Rudder cables are rigid steel and about 4" long.
They do not flex! There must be a better way to do this. Any ideas?
Have a great day.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin <mailto:cjk129@cox.net> J. Kennedy
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:08 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
Thanks Bear.
Did you have to trim the windows, and if so, how did you do it?
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
Colin,
Here's a pic of what Mark is talking about.
Good luck.
Paul "Bear" Bryant
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Stauffer <mark@flylightning.net>
Sent: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 2:28 pm
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
<mark@flylightning.net>
Colin,
Epoxy alone will hold the windows in. When using screws make a keeper that
will hold the window in place and screw through the fuselage, NOT the
window.
Mark
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On
<mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com%5dOn?> Behalf Of Colin J.
Kennedy
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:24 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows
When fitting the side windows, now that they are pre-shaped, is it still
necessary to drill and bolt them, or is the epoxy bond enough to hold them
in place after it is cured?
Colin K.
OK
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Good morning
This message is for Tex. Sorry I sent it to everyone, but I did not know
how to only contact Tex.
Anyway....Tex, I understand from Nick that you have found a way to
address the binding of the rudder cables where routed through the
stiffener webs at the aft end of the Lightning.
Would you please share with me?
Thanks
Gary Pennington
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| Subject: | Re: Veteran's Day |
Brian,
Great thoughts and your wife's grandfather sounds like someone that we
would all like to sit down with and hear some of his stories about the great
aircraft he has flown. Since he flew fighters I will be sure to "throw a
nickel on the grass" for him.
Blue Skies,
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cables |
Gary,
Tex will answer I am sure, but in the mean time, check the "Technical
Tips" section in the October Lightning Newsletter. I covered his suggestion
and included some photos.
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| Subject: | Fw: news letter input Att. Gary |
Gary, enclosed picture from what I did. Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: Tex Mantell
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 1:36 PM
Subject: news letter input
Buzz, enclosed is a little item which you might use:Let me know if you
get the pictures ok.
Some time ago we were talking about the rudder cables. Enclosed is what
I have done to lessen the binding and twisting of the cables and
prventing them from touching the fuse.
I have taken .050 stainless steel and made two strapes (2 " long
),which create a universal like connection for the rudder. I just cut
then twisted in a vice to get a 90* degree in the strap. Now the cable
end can tilt and rotate in all directions. Tex
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| Subject: | GRT EFIS seminar |
To all with Grand Rapids Technologies EFIS products or those thinking of
purchasing one.
Attached (hopefully) is a flyer for a GRT EFIS seminar being held 6 Dec
at Flying Cloud Airport in MN. Cost is $100.00/person.
If you've ever wanted to get more out of your EFIS now's the chance to
learn from the manufacturer experts. For more information call Bev
Cooper at 952 944-2628
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: news letter input Att. Gary |
In a message dated 11/10/2008 4:37:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
wb2ssj@frontiernet.net writes:
Gary, enclosed picture from what I did. Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: _Tex Mantell_ (mailto:wb2ssj@frontiernet.net)
Just gotta make a nit-pickin comment.
As I understand it, the nuts on the bolts should be a castle nut locked by a
cotter pin but not a Nylock nut, since the bolt acts like an axle.
I know, there has to be one in every bunch.
Doug Koenigsberg
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Mark,
Did she fly today?
Thanks
Paul
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Geez Paul!! A little excited are we?? ;-)
To all, about 45 minutes ago, N82PB was the 33rd Lightning to fly. It was an
uneventful 30 minute flight - all systems in the green and she flies
straight and level.
Hopefully I can post a short video tomorrow.
Congratulations to Paul Bryant.
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:51 PM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Lightning-List: N82PB
Mark,
Did she fly today?
Thanks
Paul
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| Subject: | Another Lightning takes flight |
To all,
Down under in Oz we had another first flight. Pete Discher from New South
Wales, Australia flew this past Friday morning. Pete's was the 32nd
Lightning to fly.
Congratulations to Pete Discher.
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
-----Original Message-----
From: Lightning Aircraft Australia [mailto:lightningaustralia@bigpond.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 8:33 PM
Cc: Mark Stauffer
Subject: Lightning
Hi Guys, Kit No 30, VH-PD1, Peter Disher from New South Wales ,
Australia, Flew today AM.
Regards, Dennis
Dennis & Angela Borchardt
Lightning Aircraft Australia
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Well done. Videos always appreciated downunder. Would love to see some
in cabin video of flight some time.
Wayne Patterson
LOUGHTON PATTERSON GROUP
PO Box 398 South Perth 6951
08 94742126
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Stauffer
Sent: Tuesday, 11 November 2008 8:04 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: N82PB
Geez Paul!! A little excited are we?? ;-)
To all, about 45 minutes ago, N82PB was the 33rd Lightning to fly. It
was an uneventful 30 minute flight - all systems in the green and she
flies straight and level.
Hopefully I can post a short video tomorrow.
Congratulations to Paul Bryant.
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
n5pb@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:51 PM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Lightning-List: N82PB
Mark,
Did she fly today?
Thanks
Paul
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| Subject: | Another Lightning takes flight |
Well done Pete - jump the Nullarbor some time. Always welcome in WA.
Wayne Patterson
LOUGHTON PATTERSON GROUP
PO Box 398 South Perth 6951
08 94742126
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Stauffer
Sent: Tuesday, 11 November 2008 8:07 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Another Lightning takes flight
To all,
Down under in Oz we had another first flight. Pete Discher from New
South Wales, Australia flew this past Friday morning. Pete's was the
32nd Lightning to fly.
Congratulations to Pete Discher.
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
-----Original Message-----
From: Lightning Aircraft Australia
[mailto:lightningaustralia@bigpond.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 8:33 PM
Cc: Mark Stauffer
Subject: Lightning
Hi Guys, Kit No 30, VH-PD1, Peter Disher from New South Wales ,
Australia, Flew today AM.
Regards, Dennis
Dennis & Angela Borchardt
Lightning Aircraft Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Another Lightning takes flight |
In a message dated 11/10/2008 6:12:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mark@flylightning.net writes:
Pete Discher from New South Wales, Australia flew this past Friday morning.
With Oz being on the other side of the international date line, it may have
been Saturday over there. For a guy like me with a "flat earth" mentality,
it is hard to figure out those complicated things. Anyway, congrats to both
Pete Disher and Bear Bryant.
Blue Skies,
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| Subject: | Re: GRT EFIS seminar |
In a message dated 11/10/2008 4:59:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mark@flylightning.net writes:
GRT EFIS seminar being held 6 Dec at Flying Cloud Airport in MN.
Great idea, Mark, but who the heck wants to go to Minnesota in the winter
time. I wonder if they would come to SYI if we could get 8 or 10 guys signed
up? Or maybe Ben, Nick, Pete and you could put on a class that would be just
as informative?
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: news letter input Att. Gary |
Thanks for your help Tex....and to everyone else.
Have a great day.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Tex Mantell<mailto:wb2ssj@frontiernet.net>
To: lightning List<mailto:Lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 2:29 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Fw: news letter input Att. Gary
Gary, enclosed picture from what I did. Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: Tex Mantell<mailto:wb2ssj@frontiernet.net>
To: N1BZRich@aol.com<mailto:N1BZRich@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 1:36 PM
Subject: news letter input
Buzz, enclosed is a little item which you might use:Let me know if you
get the pictures ok.
Some time ago we were talking about the rudder cables. Enclosed is
what I have done to lessen the binding and twisting of the cables and
prventing them from touching the fuse.
I have taken .050 stainless steel and made two strapes (2 " long
),which create a universal like connection for the rudder. I just cut
then twisted in a vice to get a 90* degree in the strap. Now the cable
end can tilt and rotate in all directions. Tex
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Congratulation Paul and the boys from Tennesee!
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Stauffer
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 5:04 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: N82PB
Geez Paul!! A little excited are we?? ;-)
To all, about 45 minutes ago, N82PB was the 33rd Lightning to fly. It
was an
uneventful 30 minute flight - all systems in the green and she flies
straight and level.
Hopefully I can post a short video tomorrow.
Congratulations to Paul Bryant.
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
n5pb@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:51 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: N82PB
Mark,
Did she fly today?
Thanks
Paul
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| Subject: | Another Lightning takes flight |
Congratulations Paul - would that first flight be inverted? :-)
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Stauffer
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 5:07 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Another Lightning takes flight
To all,
Down under in Oz we had another first flight. Pete Discher from New South
Wales, Australia flew this past Friday morning. Pete's was the 32nd
Lightning to fly.
Congratulations to Pete Discher.
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
-----Original Message-----
From: Lightning Aircraft Australia [mailto:lightningaustralia@bigpond.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 8:33 PM
Cc: Mark Stauffer
Subject: Lightning
Hi Guys, Kit No 30, VH-PD1, Peter Disher from New South Wales ,
Australia, Flew today AM.
Regards, Dennis
Dennis & Angela Borchardt
Lightning Aircraft Australia
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The fuel valve,or valves, must be labeled. And the capacity of fuel must
also be shown. What have you guys who have finished your lighting done?
Tex
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| Subject: | Re: GRT EFIS seminar |
Mark
Thanks for the info, but do you know how cold it is in Minnesota in Dece
mber!!!
Give me a call when you can.
Wayne Lenox
-- "Mark Stauffer" <mark@flylightning.net> wrote:
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To all with Grand Rapids Technologies EFIS products or those thinking of
purchasing one. Attached (hopefully) is a flyer for a GRT EFIS seminar
being held 6 Dec at Flying Cloud Airport in MN. Cost is $100.00/person.
If you've ever wanted to get more out of your EFIS now's the chance to l
earn from the manufacturer experts. For more information call Bev Cooper
at 952 944-2628Mark
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| Subject: | Re: GRT EFIS seminar |
In a message dated 11/10/2008 4:59:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mark@flylightning.net writes:
To all with Grand Rapids Technologies EFIS products or those thinking of
purchasing one.
Attached (hopefully) is a flyer for a GRT EFIS seminar being held 6 Dec at
Flying Cloud Airport in MN. Cost is $100.00/person.
If you've ever wanted to get more out of your EFIS now's the chance to learn
from the manufacturer experts. For more information call Bev Cooper at 952
944-2628
See if you can talk them into doing this at SYI. MN is a little far for me
for a one day seminar.
Earl.
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In a message dated 11/10/2008 6:35:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
N1BZRich@aol.com writes:
Or maybe Ben, Nick, Pete and you could put on a class that would be just as
informative?
Yeah,
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I realise this has been discussed before - but I am interested in any
current testing / research / sound advice re the use of dark colo(u)rs
on the Lightning. I note that the Cirrus Ad in the Loop Magazine
covering this year's Oshkosh shows nearly all models with a very dark
red upper fuse. Is their composite construction significantly different
to the Lightning? (in terms of being heat sensitive). We are keen to
paint our Lightning with a dark upper fuse (close to the Cirrus current
style) but as always - would like verification (preferably research
based) of the implications.
A motoring organisation in Australia measured surface temps on cars
(metal) for different roof colours - and they found some difference when
the car was in direct sunlight (perhaps 20%) - but most interestingly,
that any colour other than white (including silver & light yellow)
lifted the surface temperature to about the same level as any of the
really dark colours. Is a 20% increase significant?
Bearing in mind that we don't live in Minnesota - and that the summer
day temps at ground level in Perth regularly reach 100F and sometimes
reach over 115F.
All info appreciated!
Wayne Patterson
LOUGHTON PATTERSON GROUP
PO Box 398 South Perth 6951
AUSTRALIA
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