---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/10/08: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:20 AM - Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution Today! (Matt Dralle) 1. 06:40 AM - Veteran's Day (Brian Whittingham) 2. 07:05 AM - Re: Fitting Windows (flylightning) 3. 08:07 AM - Rudder Cables (GARY PENNINGTON) 4. 12:23 PM - Re: Veteran's Day (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 5. 12:52 PM - Re: Rudder Cables (N1BZRich@aol.com) 6. 01:34 PM - Fw: news letter input Att. Gary (Tex Mantell) 7. 01:57 PM - GRT EFIS seminar (Mark Stauffer) 8. 02:40 PM - Re: Fw: news letter input Att. Gary (Kayberg@AOL.COM) 9. 02:51 PM - N82PB (n5pb@AOL.COM) 10. 03:04 PM - Re: N82PB (Mark Stauffer) 11. 03:11 PM - Another Lightning takes flight (Mark Stauffer) 12. 03:12 PM - Re: N82PB (Wayne Patterson) 13. 03:17 PM - Re: Another Lightning takes flight (Wayne Patterson) 14. 03:33 PM - Re: Another Lightning takes flight (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 15. 03:34 PM - Re: GRT EFIS seminar (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 16. 03:45 PM - Re: Fw: news letter input Att. Gary (GARY PENNINGTON) 17. 04:22 PM - Re: N82PB (Colin J. Kennedy) 18. 04:23 PM - Re: Another Lightning takes flight (Colin J. Kennedy) 19. 06:32 PM - fuel valve (Tex Mantell) 20. 07:07 PM - Re: GRT EFIS seminar (Wayne Lenox) 21. 07:08 PM - Re: GRT EFIS seminar (EAFerguson@AOL.COM) 22. 07:12 PM - Re: GRT EFIS seminar (EAFerguson@AOL.COM) 23. 08:09 PM - Paint Colours (Wayne Patterson) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:39 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Lightning-List: Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution Today! Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors (LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription! Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:40 AM PST US From: Brian Whittingham Subject: Lightning-List: Veteran's Day All=2C I know there are a lot of veteran's that frequent this site. I just want ed to say thank you for your service to our great country. I am currently in Colorado (Canon City) attending the funeral of my wife's grandfather. I don't think that he would have wanted anybody to lie about him and say that he was a great family man=2C or a good church going fellow =2C but he was a veteran and served his country to the best of his abilitie s. His name was William "Bill" Abercrombie. He flew PT-19's=2C PT-22's=2C PT-23's=2C L-5's=2C AT-6's=2C P-51's=2C P-40's=2C and O-??'s. He transitio ned to the Lbirds and Observation aircraft when he had a hearing issue that kept him from flying high. Even though going from a hot P-51 to an Lbird wouldn't be most people's choice=2C it kept him in the air and in the Army Air Corp/Air Force. His service will be on Veteran's Day which I think is fitting. It is sad to see=2C but all of his old war buddies are gone alrea dy. I don't guess that you can really ever say happy Veteran's Day=2C but I just wanted to pass along my respects to all those=2C both young and old who are active=2C reserve=2C guard=2C or retired from the services. Brian W. _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone with Windows Live ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:07 AM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows Gary, Ask Tex about his innovation for that. nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows Good morning Paul I cut my windows down with a jig saw to rough size and then used an air sander to smooth them to final size. To hold them in place while bonding them, I drilled 1/8" holes around the edge and installed Cleco's. See attached photo. When the epoxy was almost cured, I removed the Cleco's and soaked them in Lacquer thinner to remove any epoxy stuck to the Cleco. It worked well for me. I've been trying to figure out how to prevent binding and rubbing of the Rudder cables on the fiberglass stiffener webs at the aft end of the fuselage. I first tried to install the "U" shaped brackets a little loose so they would swivel. It helped but did not solve the problem. I ground the fiberglass away as much as possible but it still rubs and binds up. The fasteners at the end of the Rudder cables are rigid steel and about 4" long. They do not flex! There must be a better way to do this. Any ideas? Have a great day. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin J. Kennedy Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:08 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows Thanks Bear. Did you have to trim the windows, and if so, how did you do it? Colin K. OK Lightning # 52 under construction. http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 6:28 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows Colin, Here's a pic of what Mark is talking about. Good luck. Paul "Bear" Bryant -----Original Message----- From: Mark Stauffer Sent: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 2:28 pm Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows Colin, Epoxy alone will hold the windows in. When using screws make a keeper that will hold the window in place and screw through the fuselage, NOT the window. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Colin J. Kennedy Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:24 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Fitting Windows When fitting the side windows, now that they are pre-shaped, is it still necessary to drill and bolt them, or is the epoxy bond enough to hold them in place after it is cured? Colin K. OK Lightning # 52 under construction. http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ctitle =http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:35 AM PST US From: "GARY PENNINGTON" Subject: Lightning-List: Rudder Cables Good morning This message is for Tex. Sorry I sent it to everyone, but I did not know how to only contact Tex. Anyway....Tex, I understand from Nick that you have found a way to address the binding of the rudder cables where routed through the stiffener webs at the aft end of the Lightning. Would you please share with me? Thanks Gary Pennington ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:17 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Veteran's Day Brian, Great thoughts and your wife's grandfather sounds like someone that we would all like to sit down with and hear some of his stories about the great aircraft he has flown. Since he flew fighters I will be sure to "throw a nickel on the grass" for him. Blue Skies, Buz **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:09 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Rudder Cables Gary, Tex will answer I am sure, but in the mean time, check the "Technical Tips" section in the October Lightning Newsletter. I covered his suggestion and included some photos. Blue Skies, Buz **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:41 PM PST US From: "Tex Mantell" Subject: Lightning-List: Fw: news letter input Att. Gary Gary, enclosed picture from what I did. Tex ----- Original Message ----- From: Tex Mantell Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: news letter input Buzz, enclosed is a little item which you might use:Let me know if you get the pictures ok. Some time ago we were talking about the rudder cables. Enclosed is what I have done to lessen the binding and twisting of the cables and prventing them from touching the fuse. I have taken .050 stainless steel and made two strapes (2 " long ),which create a universal like connection for the rudder. I just cut then twisted in a vice to get a 90* degree in the strap. Now the cable end can tilt and rotate in all directions. Tex ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:57:51 PM PST US From: "Mark Stauffer" Subject: Lightning-List: GRT EFIS seminar To all with Grand Rapids Technologies EFIS products or those thinking of purchasing one. Attached (hopefully) is a flyer for a GRT EFIS seminar being held 6 Dec at Flying Cloud Airport in MN. Cost is $100.00/person. If you've ever wanted to get more out of your EFIS now's the chance to learn from the manufacturer experts. For more information call Bev Cooper at 952 944-2628 Mark ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:29 PM PST US From: Kayberg@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Fw: news letter input Att. Gary In a message dated 11/10/2008 4:37:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wb2ssj@frontiernet.net writes: Gary, enclosed picture from what I did. Tex ----- Original Message ----- From: _Tex Mantell_ (mailto:wb2ssj@frontiernet.net) Just gotta make a nit-pickin comment. As I understand it, the nuts on the bolts should be a castle nut locked by a cotter pin but not a Nylock nut, since the bolt acts like an axle. I know, there has to be one in every bunch. Doug Koenigsberg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:07 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: N82PB From: n5pb@AOL.COM Mark, Did she fly today? Thanks Paul ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:56 PM PST US From: "Mark Stauffer" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: N82PB Geez Paul!! A little excited are we?? ;-) To all, about 45 minutes ago, N82PB was the 33rd Lightning to fly. It was an uneventful 30 minute flight - all systems in the green and she flies straight and level. Hopefully I can post a short video tomorrow. Congratulations to Paul Bryant. Mark Mark Stauffer Production Manager Arion Aircraft 2842 Hwy 231 North Shelbyville, TN 37160 (931) 680-1781 -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:51 PM To: lightning-list@matronics.com Subject: Lightning-List: N82PB Mark, Did she fly today? Thanks Paul ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:25 PM PST US From: "Mark Stauffer" Subject: Lightning-List: Another Lightning takes flight To all, Down under in Oz we had another first flight. Pete Discher from New South Wales, Australia flew this past Friday morning. Pete's was the 32nd Lightning to fly. Congratulations to Pete Discher. Mark Mark Stauffer Production Manager Arion Aircraft 2842 Hwy 231 North Shelbyville, TN 37160 (931) 680-1781 -----Original Message----- From: Lightning Aircraft Australia [mailto:lightningaustralia@bigpond.com] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 8:33 PM Cc: Mark Stauffer Subject: Lightning Hi Guys, Kit No 30, VH-PD1, Peter Disher from New South Wales , Australia, Flew today AM. Regards, Dennis Dennis & Angela Borchardt Lightning Aircraft Australia ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:04 PM PST US Subject: RE: Lightning-List: N82PB From: "Wayne Patterson" Well done. Videos always appreciated downunder. Would love to see some in cabin video of flight some time. Wayne Patterson LOUGHTON PATTERSON GROUP PO Box 398 South Perth 6951 08 94742126 From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Stauffer Sent: Tuesday, 11 November 2008 8:04 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: N82PB Geez Paul!! A little excited are we?? ;-) To all, about 45 minutes ago, N82PB was the 33rd Lightning to fly. It was an uneventful 30 minute flight - all systems in the green and she flies straight and level. Hopefully I can post a short video tomorrow. Congratulations to Paul Bryant. Mark Mark Stauffer Production Manager Arion Aircraft 2842 Hwy 231 North Shelbyville, TN 37160 (931) 680-1781 -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:51 PM To: lightning-list@matronics.com Subject: Lightning-List: N82PB Mark, Did she fly today? Thanks Paul href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c h ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matr o nics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:38 PM PST US Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Another Lightning takes flight From: "Wayne Patterson" Well done Pete - jump the Nullarbor some time. Always welcome in WA. Wayne Patterson LOUGHTON PATTERSON GROUP PO Box 398 South Perth 6951 08 94742126 From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Stauffer Sent: Tuesday, 11 November 2008 8:07 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Another Lightning takes flight To all, Down under in Oz we had another first flight. Pete Discher from New South Wales, Australia flew this past Friday morning. Pete's was the 32nd Lightning to fly. Congratulations to Pete Discher. Mark Mark Stauffer Production Manager Arion Aircraft 2842 Hwy 231 North Shelbyville, TN 37160 (931) 680-1781 -----Original Message----- From: Lightning Aircraft Australia [mailto:lightningaustralia@bigpond.com] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 8:33 PM Cc: Mark Stauffer Subject: Lightning Hi Guys, Kit No 30, VH-PD1, Peter Disher from New South Wales , Australia, Flew today AM. Regards, Dennis Dennis & Angela Borchardt Lightning Aircraft Australia ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:51 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Another Lightning takes flight In a message dated 11/10/2008 6:12:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark@flylightning.net writes: Pete Discher from New South Wales, Australia flew this past Friday morning. With Oz being on the other side of the international date line, it may have been Saturday over there. For a guy like me with a "flat earth" mentality, it is hard to figure out those complicated things. Anyway, congrats to both Pete Disher and Bear Bryant. Blue Skies, Buz **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:10 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: GRT EFIS seminar In a message dated 11/10/2008 4:59:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark@flylightning.net writes: GRT EFIS seminar being held 6 Dec at Flying Cloud Airport in MN. Great idea, Mark, but who the heck wants to go to Minnesota in the winter time. I wonder if they would come to SYI if we could get 8 or 10 guys signed up? Or maybe Ben, Nick, Pete and you could put on a class that would be just as informative? Blue skies, Buz **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:49 PM PST US From: "GARY PENNINGTON" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Fw: news letter input Att. Gary Thanks for your help Tex....and to everyone else. Have a great day. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Tex Mantell To: lightning List Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 2:29 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Fw: news letter input Att. Gary Gary, enclosed picture from what I did. Tex ----- Original Message ----- From: Tex Mantell To: N1BZRich@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: news letter input Buzz, enclosed is a little item which you might use:Let me know if you get the pictures ok. Some time ago we were talking about the rudder cables. Enclosed is what I have done to lessen the binding and twisting of the cables and prventing them from touching the fuse. I have taken .050 stainless steel and made two strapes (2 " long ),which create a universal like connection for the rudder. I just cut then twisted in a vice to get a 90* degree in the strap. Now the cable end can tilt and rotate in all directions. Tex ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:44 PM PST US From: "Colin J. Kennedy" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: N82PB Congratulation Paul and the boys from Tennesee! Colin K. OK Lightning # 52 under construction. http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Stauffer Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 5:04 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: N82PB Geez Paul!! A little excited are we?? ;-) To all, about 45 minutes ago, N82PB was the 33rd Lightning to fly. It was an uneventful 30 minute flight - all systems in the green and she flies straight and level. Hopefully I can post a short video tomorrow. Congratulations to Paul Bryant. Mark Mark Stauffer Production Manager Arion Aircraft 2842 Hwy 231 North Shelbyville, TN 37160 (931) 680-1781 -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: Lightning-List: N82PB Mark, Did she fly today? Thanks Paul href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronics. com /Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:39 PM PST US From: "Colin J. Kennedy" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Another Lightning takes flight Congratulations Paul - would that first flight be inverted? :-) Colin K. OK Lightning # 52 under construction. http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Stauffer Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 5:07 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Another Lightning takes flight To all, Down under in Oz we had another first flight. Pete Discher from New South Wales, Australia flew this past Friday morning. Pete's was the 32nd Lightning to fly. Congratulations to Pete Discher. Mark Mark Stauffer Production Manager Arion Aircraft 2842 Hwy 231 North Shelbyville, TN 37160 (931) 680-1781 -----Original Message----- From: Lightning Aircraft Australia [mailto:lightningaustralia@bigpond.com] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 8:33 PM Cc: Mark Stauffer Subject: Lightning Hi Guys, Kit No 30, VH-PD1, Peter Disher from New South Wales , Australia, Flew today AM. Regards, Dennis Dennis & Angela Borchardt Lightning Aircraft Australia ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:27 PM PST US From: "Tex Mantell" Subject: Lightning-List: fuel valve The fuel valve,or valves, must be labeled. And the capacity of fuel must also be shown. What have you guys who have finished your lighting done? Tex ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:59 PM PST US From: "Wayne Lenox" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: GRT EFIS seminar Mark Thanks for the info, but do you know how cold it is in Minnesota in Dece mber!!! Give me a call when you can. Wayne Lenox -- "Mark Stauffer" wrote: =EF=BB To all with Grand Rapids Technologies EFIS products or those thinking of purchasing one. Attached (hopefully) is a flyer for a GRT EFIS seminar being held 6 Dec at Flying Cloud Airport in MN. Cost is $100.00/person. If you've ever wanted to get more out of your EFIS now's the chance to l earn from the manufacturer experts. For more information call Bev Cooper at 952 944-2628Mark _____________________________________________________________ Click for the latest fitness products and trends. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nD5IRAPttCHO3Nf9jmWbL MythNji7yUieekyIvuhmNr5v2r/?count=1234567890 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:49 PM PST US From: EAFerguson@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: GRT EFIS seminar In a message dated 11/10/2008 4:59:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark@flylightning.net writes: To all with Grand Rapids Technologies EFIS products or those thinking of purchasing one. Attached (hopefully) is a flyer for a GRT EFIS seminar being held 6 Dec at Flying Cloud Airport in MN. Cost is $100.00/person. If you've ever wanted to get more out of your EFIS now's the chance to learn from the manufacturer experts. For more information call Bev Cooper at 952 944-2628 See if you can talk them into doing this at SYI. MN is a little far for me for a one day seminar. Earl. **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:25 PM PST US From: EAFerguson@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: GRT EFIS seminar In a message dated 11/10/2008 6:35:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, N1BZRich@aol.com writes: Or maybe Ben, Nick, Pete and you could put on a class that would be just as informative? Yeah, Earl **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:43 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Paint Colours From: "Wayne Patterson" I realise this has been discussed before - but I am interested in any current testing / research / sound advice re the use of dark colo(u)rs on the Lightning. I note that the Cirrus Ad in the Loop Magazine covering this year's Oshkosh shows nearly all models with a very dark red upper fuse. Is their composite construction significantly different to the Lightning? (in terms of being heat sensitive). We are keen to paint our Lightning with a dark upper fuse (close to the Cirrus current style) but as always - would like verification (preferably research based) of the implications. A motoring organisation in Australia measured surface temps on cars (metal) for different roof colours - and they found some difference when the car was in direct sunlight (perhaps 20%) - but most interestingly, that any colour other than white (including silver & light yellow) lifted the surface temperature to about the same level as any of the really dark colours. Is a 20% increase significant? Bearing in mind that we don't live in Minnesota - and that the summer day temps at ground level in Perth regularly reach 100F and sometimes reach over 115F. All info appreciated! 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