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2. 05:07 AM - Re: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? (WBrowns)
3. 05:07 AM - Re: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? (EAFerguson@AOL.COM)
4. 06:04 AM - Re: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? (Rick Bowen)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: IVO first flight (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
6. 09:55 AM - N82PB taxi and first take off video (Mark Stauffer)
7. 02:10 PM - Re: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? (n5pb@AOL.COM)
8. 02:17 PM - Elevator Balance modification. (flylightning)
9. 02:27 PM - Re: N82PB taxi and first take off video (n5pb@AOL.COM)
10. 03:42 PM - Re: Elevator Balance modification. (Brian Whittingham)
11. 03:44 PM - Re: IVO first flight (Brian Whittingham)
12. 03:54 PM - Re: Veteran's Day (Brian Whittingham)
13. 07:58 PM - Re: Elevator Balance modification. (EAFerguson@AOL.COM)
14. 11:32 PM - Re: IVO first flight (selwyn)
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Subject: | Fund Raiser Lagging Last Year By Over 30%... |
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In a message dated 11/13/2008 9:27:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
wb2ssj@frontiernet.net writes:
Maybe we should look at section 12 of the manual, 4 pullies with an axle. Tex
Touche
doug
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Subject: | Re: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? |
N716MZ
Kit #50
06-24-2008
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214156#214156
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Subject: | Re: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? |
In a message dated 11/13/2008 5:06:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
info@flylightning.net writes:
3-3-2006 Prototype N233ALDoes that make me first?
Nick
Not the first paying customer, check your logbook for N17EF.
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Subject: | When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? |
Hey Mark=2C
N727RB.... 1'st flight by Nick on 2/26/07.
Now=2C about that centerfold thing with you.....
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Subject: | Re: IVO first flight |
Sorry, but I gotta be a little fuzzy on the details. It was just two short
flights by two different people. The airspeed had just been changed because
it "indicated a little low" but the new one "indicates a little high". The
speed runs were in level flight but the optimum prop settings had not be
reached. 175 mph is perhaps the fastest this airframe had gone...and it has had
a couple of Sensnich props on it before. Altitude for the runs was about
1500 feet. It was a cool day, so probably close to sea level.
The pitch adjust worked fine. When you lowered the nose after the climbout,
the rpms went past 3300 easily and the pitch adjust dropped it to ???? .
Tweeking is needed because it would not turn more than 2350 static. The owner
is looking for more thrust on takeoff and more speed at the top. The
consensus of the test pilots was, "that is the fastest that airplane has ever
gone"
...both the level passes and the obligitory dive to high speed down the
runway were fast.
I dont know the cost of the IVO, since that was not in my department, but it
is close to the cost of the ground adjust Senny. More than a fixed pitch,
but not by a lot.
the other thing was cooling. Even with no spinner (fitting one will be a
bitch) it ran cooler than usual. Of course it was a cool day, but cooling
seemed better. The IVO has good pitch to the blades close to the air inlets.
Again, I would caution those out there in radio land to wait until more
testing is done. And dont plan on it being real scientific. In my mind, we
need to see how the prop stands the pulses. However, the consensus was that
this is the smoothest prop yet, so it cant all be bad. the IVO needs to be
retorqued ever hour or so during the first 10 hours of running. The blades
"settle in" to the grip on the hub plates and it is very important that those
not get loose.
There is some plan afoot to remove one blade and try it as a two blade
(easily done with an IVO)
Keep in mind this project is assisted by the Green Landings technical staff,
but not under their direct control.
Doug
In a message dated 11/13/2008 9:23:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
N1BZRich@aol.com writes:
Doug,
How about some clarification of what you mean by "a top of 175". Is
that MHP or Knots? And what is "low altitude"? And since you said low
altitude, I assume you are talking indicated airspeed. Are we talking wide open
throttle? And are we talking about a "pass down the runway" (I seem to remember
you guys are about 500 AGL)? And if so, what was the rpm at WOT? Were you
able to adjust the pitch in flight to get the engine to be WOT at 3300 rpm?
With the fixed pitch I am now using I can see just over 200 MPH (pulling
back the throttle to keep from going over 3300 rpm) on a high speed pass
down the runway, but remember I am basically at sea level. At 5000', (again
pulling back the throttle to stay at 3300) it shows 185 to 187 MPH true.
Also what is the going price for the in-flight adjustable IVO? Does it
still have those narrow cord blades?
How is the Cub project coming along? And remember, you are invited to
come here to fly my Cub.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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Subject: | N82PB taxi and first take off video |
Here are the links to YouTube of Paul Bryant's Lightning taxi and first
flight. First landing is coming shortly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1q5lAW1NqA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63XLc5qUZmI
Please, no comments on the quality of video. I'm much better at building
planes than I am of filming them!! (Thank goodness!!)
Have a great day!
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
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Subject: | Re: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? |
Mark,
N82PB=C2-was 11-10-08, but you knew that.=C2-
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Stauffer <mark@flylightning.net>
Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 5:26 pm
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: When was your first flight?? What about your N-
number?
I don't know. Did you actually fly it or was it along the same lines of "did
we really land on the moon"?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list
-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of flylightning
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:59 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: When was your first flight?? What about your N-
number?
Mark,
3-3-2006 Prototype N233ALDoes that make me first?
Nick
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Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:58 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: When was your first flight?? What about your N-numb
er?
To all,
I'm in the process of updating and filling in the blanks of my spreadsheet.
We're trying to list everyone's first flight and quite honestly I don't alwa
ys write them down when we do them here and sometimes we don't hear about th
em until days or weeks after they happen. Either way please send me the date
of your first flight.
Also, the same goes for N-numbers. I have quite a few but again I would like
to fill in the blanks. Even reserved numbers count!
I'd=2
0like to do this for as long as possible. It's nice while we're a small comm
unity that we can have this type of contact with our customers. Of course wh
en we grow to the size of Van's it might be a bit more difficult but I'll cr
oss that bridge when I get there!!
Have a great day!
Mark
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Subject: | Elevator Balance modification. |
To group,
We have just completed flight testing on a modification to the elevator
balance. With the development of the SLSA Lightning and the mission of the
aircraft changing slightly, a need to make a change to the pitch force
required was noted. With the standard wing the roll to pitch force was well
harmonized at maneuvering speed and below. With the addition of the long
wing tips the roll forces increased but the pitch stayed the same. This
resulted in a some what unbalanced feel on the stick. There are two options,
lighten the ailerons, or heavy up the pitch. While the first seems the
better to get a nice light stick, the over all the mission of the aircraft
with the long wing tip is going to be Light sport. So with this in mind and
the typical pilot than being a newer light sport pilot or those who have not
flown for a while due to a medical or other issue, the thought of making the
pitch heavier to harmonize the controls was the better option. We have
removed the aerodynamic balance from the elevator completely. The resulting
change has increased the stick pull required by a good amount. In our
2008demo the stick force required with the balance to accelerate 1g was
2.5lbs, this is measured with a digital scale on the stick in flight and not
a guess. With the balance removed the stick pull required in the same
situation was 4.75lbs. This with the longer wing now provides a good feel
between both roll and pitch, and I feel this is better for most pilots. An
additional side benefit is the elimination of the "soft" spot in the center
of pitch, anyone with enough time in a lightning has most likely noticed a
small spot in the middle 1" of throw on the stick were its kinda dead, so
that's gone. This is not to say with a short wing that the pitch would too
be heavy if one made the modification as well, I think that it would still
have good stick feel. I have updated the builders manual online to
incorporate this change, it is in section #19 on balance modification. Those
of you asking if the roll can be lighten up to match the light pitch feel
with the balances, well still working on that but should have a solution in
due time.
Thanks for reading my book.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
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Subject: | Re: N82PB taxi and first take off video |
Mark,
thanks so much for putting this out on you tube.? It sent chills down my spine....thanks
to the entire team!
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Stauffer <mark@flylightning.net>
Sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:54 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: N82PB taxi and first take off video
Here are the links to YouTube of Paul Bryant's Lightning taxi and first
flight. First landing is coming shortly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1q5lAW1NqA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63XLc5qUZmI
Please, no comments on the quality of video. I'm much better at building
planes than I am of filming them!! (Thank goodness!!)
Have a great day!
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
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Subject: | Elevator Balance modification. |
Nick=2C
Ah man=2C I liked being able to fly with one finger on top of the stick
and still be able to manuever. Seriously though I think this will be a goo
d thing for the general aviation community=2C especially those with low tim
e or more standard aircraft time. Good job and good thinking. Another exa
mple of how Arion continues to make improvements to the product in order to
make the plane safer=2C easier=2C and more enjoyable to fly! Brian W.
From: info@flylightning.netTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: Lightni
ng-List: Elevator Balance modification.Date: Fri=2C 14 Nov 2008 16:19:12 -0
600
To group=2C
We have just completed flight testing on a modification to the elevator bal
ance. With the development of the SLSA Lightning and the mission of the air
craft changing slightly=2C a need to make a change to the pitch force requi
red was noted. With the standard wing the roll to pitch force was well harm
onized at maneuvering speed and below. With the addition of the long wing t
ips the roll forces increased but the pitch stayed the same. This resulted
in a some what unbalanced feel on the stick. There are two options=2C light
en the ailerons=2C or heavy up the pitch. While the first seems the better
to get a nice light stick=2C the over all the mission of the aircraft with
the long wing tip is going to be Light sport. So with this in mind and the
typical pilot than being a newer light sport pilot or those who have not fl
own for a while due to a medical or other issue=2C the thought of making th
e pitch heavier to harmonize the controls was the better option. We have re
moved the aerodynamic balance from the elevator completely. The resulting c
hange has increased the stick pull required by a good amount. In our 2008de
mo the stick force required with the balance to accelerate 1g was 2.5lbs=2C
this is measured with a digital scale on the stick in flight and not a gue
ss. With the balance removed the stick pull required in the same situation
was 4.75lbs. This with the longer wing now provides a good feel between bot
h roll and pitch=2C and I feel this is better for most pilots. An additiona
l side benefit is the elimination of the =93soft=94 spot in the center of p
itch=2C anyone with enough time in a lightning has most likely noticed a sm
all spot in the middle 1=94 of throw on the stick were its kinda dead=2C so
that=92s gone. This is not to say with a short wing that the pitch would t
oo be heavy if one made the modification as well=2C I think that it would s
till have good stick feel. I have updated the builders manual online to inc
orporate this change=2C it is in section #19 on balance modification. Those
of you asking if the roll can be lighten up to match the light pitch feel
with the balances=2C well still working on that but should have a solution
in due time.
Thanks for reading my book.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft=2C LLC
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Subject: | IVO first flight |
Doug=2C
Are there any pics of the IVO on the Lightning. Also=2C when converting
an IVO to a two blader=2C do you use the same blades: profile=2C pitch=2C a
nd chord? Brian W.
From: Kayberg@aol.comDate: Fri=2C 14 Nov 2008 10:03:07 -0500Subject: Re: Li
ghtning-List: IVO first flightTo: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sorry=2C but I gotta be a little fuzzy on the details. It was just two sho
rt flights by two different people. The airspeed had just been changed bec
ause it "indicated a little low" but the new one "indicates a little high"
. The speed runs were in level flight but the optimum prop settings had n
ot be reached. 175 mph is perhaps the fastest this airframe had gone...and
it has had a couple of Sensnich props on it before. Altitude for the run
s was about 1500 feet. It was a cool day=2C so probably close to sea leve
l.
The pitch adjust worked fine. When you lowered the nose after the climbout
=2C the rpms went past 3300 easily and the pitch adjust dropped it to ????
. Tweeking is needed because it would not turn more than 2350 static. Th
e owner is looking for more thrust on takeoff and more speed at the top. T
he consensus of the test pilots was=2C "that is the fastest that airplane h
as ever gone" ...both the level passes and the obligitory dive to high sp
eed down the runway were fast.
I dont know the cost of the IVO=2C since that was not in my department=2C b
ut it is close to the cost of the ground adjust Senny. More than a fixed p
itch=2C but not by a lot.
the other thing was cooling. Even with no spinner (fitting one will be a b
itch) it ran cooler than usual. Of course it was a cool day=2C but coolin
g seemed better. The IVO has good pitch to the blades close to the air inl
ets.
Again=2C I would caution those out there in radio land to wait until more t
esting is done. And dont plan on it being real scientific. In my mind=2C
we need to see how the prop stands the pulses. However=2C the consensus
was that this is the smoothest prop yet=2C so it cant all be bad. the IVO
needs to be retorqued ever hour or so during the first 10 hours of running
. The blades "settle in" to the grip on the hub plates and it is very impo
rtant that those not get loose.
There is some plan afoot to remove one blade and try it as a two blade (eas
ily done with an IVO)
Keep in mind this project is assisted by the Green Landings technical staff
=2C but not under their direct control.
Doug
In a message dated 11/13/2008 9:23:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time=2C N1BZRic
h@aol.com writes:
Doug=2C
How about some clarification of what you mean by "a top of 175". Is th
at MHP or Knots? And what is "low altitude"? And since you said low altit
ude=2C I assume you are talking indicated airspeed. Are we talking wide op
en throttle? And are we talking about a "pass down the runway" (I seem to
remember you guys are about 500 AGL)? And if so=2C what was the rpm at WOT
? Were you able to adjust the pitch in flight to get the engine to be WOT
at 3300 rpm?
With the fixed pitch I am now using I can see just over 200 MPH (pullin
g back the throttle to keep from going over 3300 rpm) on a high speed pass
down the runway=2C but remember I am basically at sea level. At 5000'=2C
(again pulling back the throttle to stay at 3300) it shows 185 to 187 MPH t
rue.
Also what is the going price for the in-flight adjustable IVO? Does it
still have those narrow cord blades?
How is the Cub project coming along? And remember=2C you are invited t
o come here to fly my Cub.
Blue Skies=2C
Buz
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Thanks everybody=2C
I've got to say that seeing the color guard present the flag to the wid
ow on Veteran's Day was pretty emotional. We went to the Veteran's nursing
home in Florence=2C CO the other day. It was named after Bruce McCandless
=3B both the original and II. For those of you who may know=2C particularl
y the 1st was a real American hero and the son was an astronaut and accompl
ished pilot. Anyhow=2C in looking through some of his personal effects we
found an old pilot's log book beside the bed where he passed away. I took
pictures of all of the pages and in the near future will go through and rea
d all the entries. One thing that I did notice and think is completely app
licable to this forum is that from flight 1 was an entry of forced landings
practice. Almost every line up until he was flying fighters contains the
same. I know that back then they probably actually killed the engine=2C bu
t the idea today is the same. Practice those turn-backs and land straight
aheads. Brian W.
From: N1BZRich@aol.comDate: Mon=2C 10 Nov 2008 15:22:07 -0500Subject: Re: L
ightning-List: Veteran's DayTo: lightning-list@matronics.com
Brian=2C
Great thoughts and your wife's grandfather sounds like someone that we
would all like to sit down with and hear some of his stories about the grea
t aircraft he has flown. Since he flew fighters I will be sure to "throw a
nickel on the grass" for him.
Blue Skies=2C
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Subject: | Re: Elevator Balance modification. |
In a message dated 11/14/2008 6:43:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dashvii@hotmail.com writes:
To group,
We have just completed flight testing on a modification to the elevator
balance. With the development of the SLSA Lightning and the mission of the
aircraft changing slightly, a need to make a change to the pitch force requ
ired was
noted. With the standard wing the roll to pitch force was well harmonized a
t
maneuvering speed and below. With the addition of the long wing tips the
roll forces increased but the pitch stayed the same. This resulted in a som
e
what unbalanced feel on the stick. There are two options, lighten the ailer
ons,
or heavy up the pitch. While the first seems the better to get a nice light
stick, the over all the mission of the aircraft with the long wing tip is
going to be Light sport. So with this in mind and the typical pilot than be
ing a
newer light sport pilot or those who have not flown for a while due to a
medical or other issue, the thought of making the pitch heavier to harmoniz
e the
controls was the better option. We have removed the aerodynamic balance fro
m
the elevator completely. The resulting change has increased the stick pull
required by a good amount. In our 2008demo the stick force required with th
e
balance to accelerate 1g was 2.5lbs, this is measured with a digital scale
on
the stick in flight and not a guess. With the balance removed the stick pul
l
required in the same situation was 4.75lbs. This with the longer wing now
provides a good feel between both roll and pitch, and I feel this is better
for
most pilots. An additional side benefit is the elimination of the
=9Csoft=9D spot
in the center of pitch, anyone with enough time in a lightning has most
likely noticed a small spot in the middle 1=9D of throw on the stick
were its kinda
dead, so that=99s gone. This is not to say with a short wing that the
pitch
would too be heavy if one made the modification as well, I think that it wo
uld
still have good stick feel. I have updated the builders manual online to
incorporate this change, it is in section #19 on balance modification. Thos
e of
you asking if the roll can be lighten up to match the light pitch feel with
the balances, well still working on that but should have a solution in due
time.
Thanks for reading my book.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
Nick,
I like the light control forces, and don't think they are a problem for low
time pilots. Certainly not for wrinkles like me who have lost medicals.
So I have two other suggestions.
The obvious one (but a major mod) is to lengthen the main wing and move the
aileron out, then shorten the tip but include the winglet. This keeps the
same wing area, but provides a little more aileron control. A clean solutio
n,
but a major re-tooling.
The other suggestion is less obvious, but easier. Reduce the wing tip lengt
h
keeping the winglets. To keep the Light Sport stall speed, use the VG's on
the outboard wing to provide better stall characteristics (the inner wing w
ill
stall first). My guess is that VGs in front of the ailerons would be all yo
u
would need.
The VG's they do reduce the stall speed and so do the winglets. The only
objection to the VGs in that configuration would be minor inconvenience when
washing the bird. The combination should work and keep the light roll contr
ol
force. I had to reduce stall speed by 2 knots from the clean wing on mine f
or
Light Sport, and the full wing VGs did exactly that. I've since taken off t
he
inner 4 on each side with no measurable change in stall speed, but a slight
improvement in stall warning. We could test this suggested mod on my LS
Lightning (hint, hint).
BTW, To me the increased roll control force is more of a distraction than
the lack of harmonizing (matching) the pitch and roll forces. I don't think
I
will like the increased pitch effort. As you know, I kept some bungees on m
y
pitch control with the new trim tab. With the right amount of bungee the st
ick
balances nicely on the ground, and reduces required up trim in flight.
Soft spot in the center of pitch? Not a problem in my Lightning. Maybe I'm
numb, but I haven't noticed this effect in 250 hours. If it's there it
certainly isn't objectionable.
My 2c worth.
Earl Ferguson
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Subject: | Re: IVO first flight |
"If you have some kind of prop strike, the IVO easily disintegrates, usually saving
the engine crankshaft. Supposedly it is good for up to 150 hp and 250 mph.
We shall see."
Hmmm. Not sure if I like a prop that easily disintegrates as that would imply
that the margins are rather fine and perhaps more likely to shed a blade in "normal"
circumstances. I think I would prefer some additional protection against
that instead of the possibility that I may prevent crank damage if I was silly
enough to run my prop into something hard.
If anyone is interested in more info I've compiled a list of links to prop makers,
including IVO, here:
http://www.recreationalflying.com.au/links/propellers-4/
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Cheers, Selwyn
Kit 66
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