---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/15/08: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:54 AM - Re: Elevator Balance modification. (Tex Mantell) 2. 06:51 AM - Re: Elevator Balance modification. (jhausch) 3. 06:59 AM - Re: IVO first flight (jhausch) 4. 10:35 AM - Re: Elevator Balance modification. (yhol) 5. 01:48 PM - Re: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? (Catalpa aviation) 6. 03:37 PM - Re: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? (Peter and Jan Disher) 7. 03:40 PM - Re: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? (Ron Ritchie) 8. 03:45 PM - Re: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? (Brian Whittingham) 9. 04:04 PM - Re: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? (Peter and Jan Disher) 10. 04:46 PM - Re: Elevator Aerodynamic counter Balance modification. (N1BZRich@aol.com) 11. 04:52 PM - Re: Re: IVO first flight (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 12. 05:05 PM - Re: Elevator Balance modification. (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 13. 05:15 PM - Re: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? (Catalpa aviation) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:53 AM PST US From: "Tex Mantell" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Elevator Balance modification. Earl, My vote would be for lighter stick forces also. When flying more precise movements and control are possible. Get in a J3 cub and you find out what heavy is like. No thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: EAFerguson@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Elevator Balance modification. In a message dated 11/14/2008 6:43:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dashvii@hotmail.com writes: Nick, I like the light control forces, and don't think they are a problem for low time pilots. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:41 AM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Elevator Balance modification. From: "jhausch" I have only a demo flight in the lightning, but if (when) I build my plan was to figure out a a way to increase the forces in pitch - long wing tips or not. I think I know what the mod looks like - I assume the counterbalance horn has gone from full length, to half-length, and now to no horn at all. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214344#214344 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:12 AM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: IVO first flight From: "jhausch" "Hmmm. Not sure if I like a prop that easily disintegrates as that would imply that the margins are rather fine " Not sure I agree. I would imagine the margins are acceptable when loaded as designed. The Osprey has rotor/prop blades which are designed to "broomstraw" if one must land with the nacelles in the horizontal position. The other idea which comes to mind is tempered glass. Very strong when loaded as designed, very fragile when struck on edge. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214345#214345 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:35:31 AM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Elevator Balance modification. From: "yhol" [quote="info(at)flylightning.net"]To group, An additional side benefit is the elimination of the soft spot in the center of pitch, anyone with enough time in a lightning has most likely noticed a small spot in the middle 1 of throw on the stick were its kinda dead, so thats gone. > [b] I have limited flying experience but I have been racing cars before and operating heavy machineries and cranes of all kinds and the response of the controls is crucial in any precision task. This is a very big improvement to me . To me it's 10 times more important than stick forces. When I get my aircraft, it is one of the 5 most important criteria I will check. Can't wait to try it when I find time to finally go see it. Janin Dupont Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214372#214372 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:48:17 PM PST US From: "Catalpa aviation" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? Mark, Anthony Morrison and Vic Vugs kit 32, reg 19-5301, flew 2nd June 2008 -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] Sent: Friday, 14 November 2008 7:58 AM To: Lightning-List Subject: Lightning-List: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? To all, I'm in the process of updating and filling in the blanks of my spreadsheet. We're trying to list everyone's first flight and quite honestly I don't always write them down when we do them here and sometimes we don't hear about them until days or weeks after they happen. Either way please send me the date of your first flight. Also, the same goes for N-numbers. I have quite a few but again I would like to fill in the blanks. Even reserved numbers count! I'd like to do this for as long as possible. It's nice while we're a small community that we can have this type of contact with our customers. Of course when we grow to the size of Van's it might be a bit more difficult but I'll cross that bridge when I get there!! Have a great day! Mark Mark Stauffer Production Manager Arion Aircraft 2842 Hwy 231 North Shelbyville, TN 37160 (931) 680-1781 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:51 PM PST US From: "Peter and Jan Disher" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? G'Day Mark, For your records, I first flew VH-PDI for its first flight on Saturday morning 8 November 08 ( 4.00 PM Friday 7th Shelbyville Time) for 45 minuts, just over the moon. Pete Disher ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stauffer" Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:58 AM Subject: Lightning-List: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? > To all, > > I'm in the process of updating and filling in the blanks of my > spreadsheet. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 9:12 AM ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:05 PM PST US From: Ron Ritchie Subject: Re: Lightning-List: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? Hi Mark, ZK-TDT Kit # 46 first flew August 15,2008 Regards Ron Ritchie On 16/11/2008, at 10:45 AM, Catalpa aviation wrote: > Mark, > > Anthony Morrison and Vic Vugs kit 32, reg 19-5301, flew 2nd June 2008 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > ] > Sent: Friday, 14 November 2008 7:58 AM > To: Lightning-List > Subject: Lightning-List: When was your first flight?? What about > your N-number? > > To all, > > I'm in the process of updating and filling in the blanks of my > spreadsheet. > > We're trying to list everyone's first flight and quite honestly I > don't always write them down when we do them here and sometimes we > don't hear about them until days or weeks after they happen. Either > way please send me the date of your first flight. > > Also, the same goes for N-numbers. I have quite a few but again I > would like to fill in the blanks. Even reserved numbers count! > > I'd like to do this for as long as possible. It's nice while we're a > small community that we can have this type of contact with our > customers. Of course when we grow to the size of Van's it might be a > bit more difficult but I'll cross that bridge when I get there!! > > Have a great day! > > Mark > > Mark Stauffer > > Production Manager > > Arion Aircraft > > 2842 Hwy 231 North > > Shelbyville, TN 37160 > > (931) 680-1781 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:03 PM PST US From: Brian Whittingham Subject: RE: Lightning-List: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? Peter=2C I've been away for a week=2C but congratulations on your first flight! I 'll be interested to see the results of your flights as you progress! Bria n W.> From: pjdisher@bigpond.com> To: lightning-list@matronics.com> Subject : Re: Lightning-List: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number ?> Date: Sun=2C 16 Nov 2008 10:37:16 +1100> > --> Lightning-List message po sted by: "Peter and Jan Disher" > > G'Day Mark=2C> Fo r your records=2C I first flew VH-PDI for its first flight on Saturday > mo rning 8 November 08 ( 4.00 PM Friday 7th Shelbyville Time) for 45 minuts=2C > just over the moon.> Pete Disher> > > ----- Original Message ----- > Fro m: "Mark Stauffer" > To: "Lightning-List" > Sent: Friday=2C November 14=2C 2008 7:58 AM> Subject: Lightning-List: When was your first flight?? What about your > N-number?> > > > To all=2C> >> > I'm in the process of updating and filling in the bla nks of my > > spreadsheet.> >> >> > > ------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------> > > > Checked by AVG - http:// => > > _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone with Windows Live ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:34 PM PST US From: "Peter and Jan Disher" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? Thanks Brian, She just flew so well, so straight and a delight to fly. The guys at Shelbyville are really onto a great little aircraft, I've never had so much fun, I feel she will be a great little cruiser that will eat up distance and not fuel. Having some hot days here at present, low 90s, and doing a little more work on CHTs on 3 & 5. Thanks again. Pete D ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Whittingham To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 10:44 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? Peter, I've been away for a week, but congratulations on your first flight! I'll be interested to see the results of your flights as you progress! Brian W. > From: pjdisher@bigpond.com > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? > Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:37:16 +1100 > > > G'Day Mark, > For your records, I first flew VH-PDI for its first flight on Saturday > morning 8 November 08 ( 4.00 PM Friday 7th Shelbyville Time) for 45 minuts, > just over the moon. > Pete Disher > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Stauffer" > To: "Lightning-List" > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:58 AM > Subject: Lightning-List: When was your first flight?? What about your > N-number? > > > > To all, > > > > I'm in the process of updating and filling in the blanks of my > > spreadsheet. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > 9:12 AM > <===================== >== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 11/15/2008 6:57 PM ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:19 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Elevator Aerodynamic counter Balance modification. In a message dated 11/14/2008 10:59:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, EAFerguson@AOL.COM writes: Soft spot in the center of pitch? Not a problem in my Lightning. Maybe I'm numb, but I haven't noticed this effect in 250 hours. If it's there it certainly isn't objectionable. Earl, Does your airplane still have the complete aerodynamic elevator counterbalance - the one that goes all the way forward to the leading edge of the stabilizer? If so, you will not have the very small "dead" spot in the pitch control. If you have the modified aerodynamic counterbalance that only goes forward of the hinge line but not all the way to the leading edge, then you have just not noticed the very small "dead" spot. I doubt that anyone would notice it if you did not fly lots of close formation unless you were just looking for it. It is not a problem, but with the modified system the first very small movement of the counterbalance does not really see any appreciable airflow because initially it gets blocked by airflow over the leading edge of what use to be part of the original counterbalance. Confusing? I am having a hard time describing with words something very simple to show you if we were standing by the airplane. Anyway, Nick has once again come up with another way to build your Lightning so you can "have it your way". You and I like light stick forces, but the SLSA Lightning will need to meet ASTM standards, so that is why Nick was looking for a more normal stick force per G feel. Buz **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atw ola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=http://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:27 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: IVO first flight Unless IVO has changed their blade design, I doubt that their props will be as efficient as the Sensenich models that have been so successful on the Lightning. The original IVO props were designed for the Rotax which of course have a "gear down transmission" to reduce prop speed. The slower turning props can use a longer diameter and narrow blades. It has been a while since I took Aero 101, but I think the best propeller tip speed for efficiency is about .75 mach. Since the Jabiru is a direct drive "airplane" engine, the prop rpm is the same as engine rpm and you have a more "normal" looking prop and blade profile that works best. Of course as everyone knows making propellers is part science and part black magic, so who really knows what will work best on a specific airframe and engine combination until you try it. So glad the Green Landing guys are trying it again. Buz **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:25 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Elevator Balance modification. In a message dated 11/15/2008 7:55:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wb2ssj@f rontiernet.net writes: Get in a J3 cub and you find out what heavy is like. What's the matter Tex, no muscles in your right arm? Yes the Cub is way heavier than the Lightning, but you haven't felt heavy until you try to fly a Saratoga in a missing man formation fly by. I had to borrow a Saratoga last week for a "missing lady" formation fly by. My airplane was at another airport and weather had kept me from changing out airplanes, and there was no way the Cub was going to keep up with a Cirrus and two other fast homebuilts. Anyway, the Saratoga was like a truck - a large dump truck. My Cub really felt light after that flight. But hey, everyone said the formation looked great - so you make do with what you have to work with. Buz **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:46 PM PST US From: "Catalpa aviation" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? Mark, My N number is 19-5301, I am in Australia we have two types of rego, light sport aircraft that are amateur built have a 19-???? (eg 19-5301), factory built and are certified are 24-???? (My Jabiru 24-4497), or General Aviation VH-???? With experimental written on them. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catalpa aviation Sent: Sunday, 16 November 2008 8:45 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? Mark, Anthony Morrison and Vic Vugs kit 32, reg 19-5301, flew 2nd June 2008 -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] Sent: Friday, 14 November 2008 7:58 AM Subject: Lightning-List: When was your first flight?? What about your N-number? To all, I'm in the process of updating and filling in the blanks of my spreadsheet. We're trying to list everyone's first flight and quite honestly I don't always write them down when we do them here and sometimes we don't hear about them until days or weeks after they happen. Either way please send me the date of your first flight. Also, the same goes for N-numbers. I have quite a few but again I would like to fill in the blanks. Even reserved numbers count! I'd like to do this for as long as possible. It's nice while we're a small community that we can have this type of contact with our customers. Of course when we grow to the size of Van's it might be a bit more difficult but I'll cross that bridge when I get there!! Have a great day! Mark Mark Stauffer Production Manager Arion Aircraft 2842 Hwy 231 North Shelbyville, TN 37160 (931) 680-1781 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message lightning-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Lightning-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/lightning-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/lightning-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.