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0. 12:23 AM - What Listers Have Been Saying (Matt Dralle)
1. 12:55 PM - air speeds (Tex Mantell)
2. 01:03 PM - Re: air speeds (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
3. 02:31 PM - Re: air speeds (Brian Whittingham)
4. 03:54 PM - Re: air speeds (Jim Langley)
5. 04:01 PM - Re: air speeds (Brian Whittingham)
6. 04:16 PM - Re: air speeds (Jim Langley)
7. 04:46 PM - Re: air speeds (Brian Whittingham)
8. 04:48 PM - Happy Thanksgiving (Brian Whittingham)
9. 06:47 PM - The real truth... (Jim Langley)
10. 08:53 PM - Re: air speeds (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
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I am trying to mark my air speed indicator with the proper color rings.
What is the max speed to deploy flaps. Thanks Tex
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Tex,
I have been using no more than 100 mph to start them down, and 87 mph or
less for them to be full down.
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I used no more than 90 knots for the 1st 10 degrees of flaps and 75 for any
thing more. For me it was easy to remember 85 knots for the first notch an
d 75 knots for anything more.
From: N1BZRich@aol.comDate: Sat=2C 29 Nov 2008 16:02:54 -0500Subject: Re: L
ightning-List: air speedsTo: lightning-list@matronics.com
Tex=2C
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or less for them to be full down.
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I was thinking today when I was flying N730AL, (which is back in the air
now), about airspeeds, what to fly downwind, base, final, when to deploy
flaps, etc.
Flying a Cessna, or light sport, the airspeeds are quite different!
Here is what I have for discussion, all in mph please.
Entry into the pattern: 90-105 mph depending where you enter
Downwind at the touchdown point, slow to 90 and 10 degrees of flaps
Base leg, slow to 80 and 20 degrees of flaps
Final leg, slow to 70 and 30 deg of flaps
Cross numbers at 60-65
Bleed off speed and flare into the touch down at 50-55
This is my interpretation. I would love to hear some opinions.
By the way, the airplane is flying really well and the MGL is incredible!
Jim!
N730AL
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: air speeds
Tex,
I have been using no more than 100 mph to start them down, and 87 mph or
less for them to be full down.
Buz
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Jim=2C
That's exactlly how Nick taught me to do it! Brian W.
From: pequeajim@gmail.comTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Light
ning-List: air speedsDate: Sat=2C 29 Nov 2008 18:53:55 -0500
I was thinking today when I was flying N730AL=2C (which is back in the air
now)=2C about airspeeds=2C what to fly downwind=2C base=2C final=2C when to
deploy flaps=2C etc.
Flying a Cessna=2C or light sport=2C the airspeeds are quite different!
Here is what I have for discussion=2C all in mph please.
Entry into the pattern: 90-105 mph depending where you enter
Downwind at the touchdown point=2C slow to 90 and 10 degrees of flaps
Base leg=2C slow to 80 and 20 degrees of flaps
Final leg=2C slow to 70 and 30 deg of flaps
Cross numbers at 60-65
Bleed off speed and flare into the touch down at 50-55
This is my interpretation. I would love to hear some opinions.
By the way=2C the airplane is flying really well and the MGL is incredible!
Jim!
N730AL
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich@aol.comSent: Saturday=2C Nove
mber 29=2C 2008 4:03 PMTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Lightni
ng-List: air speeds
Tex=2C
I have been using no more than 100 mph to start them down=2C and 87 mph
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Hmmm, same instructor, same results I guess.
That guy must be alright!
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Whittingham
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 6:59 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: air speeds
Jim,
That's exactlly how Nick taught me to do it! Brian W.
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From: pequeajim@gmail.com
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: air speeds
I was thinking today when I was flying N730AL, (which is back in the air
now), about airspeeds, what to fly downwind, base, final, when to deploy
flaps, etc.
Flying a Cessna, or light sport, the airspeeds are quite different!
Here is what I have for discussion, all in mph please.
Entry into the pattern: 90-105 mph depending where you enter
Downwind at the touchdown point, slow to 90 and 10 degrees of flaps
Base leg, slow to 80 and 20 degrees of flaps
Final leg, slow to 70 and 30 deg of flaps
Cross numbers at 60-65
Bleed off speed and flare into the touch down at 50-55
This is my interpretation. I would love to hear some opinions.
By the way, the airplane is flying really well and the MGL is incredible!
Jim!
N730AL
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: air speeds
Tex,
I have been using no more than 100 mph to start them down, and 87 mph or
less for them to be full down.
Buz
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He was the first! I was only the third=2C I concede to the master. :-) Bri
an W.
From: pequeajim@gmail.comTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Light
ning-List: air speedsDate: Sat=2C 29 Nov 2008 19:16:05 -0500
Hmmm=2C same instructor=2C same results I guess=85
That guy must be alright!
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian WhittinghamSent: Saturday=2C Nov
ember 29=2C 2008 6:59 PMTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Lightn
ing-List: air speeds
Jim=2C That's exactlly how Nick taught me to do it! Brian W.
From: pequeajim@gmail.comTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Light
ning-List: air speedsDate: Sat=2C 29 Nov 2008 18:53:55 -0500
I was thinking today when I was flying N730AL=2C (which is back in the air
now)=2C about airspeeds=2C what to fly downwind=2C base=2C final=2C when to
deploy flaps=2C etc.
Flying a Cessna=2C or light sport=2C the airspeeds are quite different!
Here is what I have for discussion=2C all in mph please.
Entry into the pattern: 90-105 mph depending where you enter
Downwind at the touchdown point=2C slow to 90 and 10 degrees of flaps
Base leg=2C slow to 80 and 20 degrees of flaps
Final leg=2C slow to 70 and 30 deg of flaps
Cross numbers at 60-65
Bleed off speed and flare into the touch down at 50-55
This is my interpretation. I would love to hear some opinions.
By the way=2C the airplane is flying really well and the MGL is incredible!
Jim!
N730AL
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich@aol.comSent: Saturday=2C Nove
mber 29=2C 2008 4:03 PMTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Lightni
ng-List: air speeds
Tex=2C
I have been using no more than 100 mph to start them down=2C and 87 mph
or less for them to be full down.
Buz
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| Subject: | Happy Thanksgiving |
Hope everybody had a very Happy Thanksgiving! Brian W.
From: pequeajim@gmail.comTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Light
ning-List: air speedsDate: Sat=2C 29 Nov 2008 19:16:05 -0500
Hmmm=2C same instructor=2C same results I guess=85
That guy must be alright!
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian WhittinghamSent: Saturday=2C Nov
ember 29=2C 2008 6:59 PMTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Lightn
ing-List: air speeds
Jim=2C That's exactlly how Nick taught me to do it! Brian W.
From: pequeajim@gmail.comTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Light
ning-List: air speedsDate: Sat=2C 29 Nov 2008 18:53:55 -0500
I was thinking today when I was flying N730AL=2C (which is back in the air
now)=2C about airspeeds=2C what to fly downwind=2C base=2C final=2C when to
deploy flaps=2C etc.
Flying a Cessna=2C or light sport=2C the airspeeds are quite different!
Here is what I have for discussion=2C all in mph please.
Entry into the pattern: 90-105 mph depending where you enter
Downwind at the touchdown point=2C slow to 90 and 10 degrees of flaps
Base leg=2C slow to 80 and 20 degrees of flaps
Final leg=2C slow to 70 and 30 deg of flaps
Cross numbers at 60-65
Bleed off speed and flare into the touch down at 50-55
This is my interpretation. I would love to hear some opinions.
By the way=2C the airplane is flying really well and the MGL is incredible!
Jim!
N730AL
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich@aol.comSent: Saturday=2C Nove
mber 29=2C 2008 4:03 PMTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Lightni
ng-List: air speeds
Tex=2C
I have been using no more than 100 mph to start them down=2C and 87 mph
or less for them to be full down.
Buz
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| Subject: | The real truth... |
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Because of my USAF flight training, I put the flaps full down (30 degrees
for a normal Lightning landing) on downwind. This prevents ever being tempted
to lower the flaps while in a turn. If you have never had split flaps - it
can be a hand full, especially if it happens while in a bank/turn. I have had
that once in F-4s and once in the 601XL that the local EAA chapter built.
Thankfully, I was still on downwind at the time both occurred.
Another reason I like putting the flaps full down while on downwind is that
it allows me to fly a tighter pattern. Don't get me started on the huge
patterns that most pilots fly. I am convinced that 90% of the pilots flying
today would never have a chance of making the runway if they lost an engine while
in the pattern because of the large airline or bomber type patterns that are
flown. And the problem keeps getting worse because most of today's
instructors teach them because that is what they were taught. Yea, I know, engines
are pretty reliable today. But were we not taught that most engine failures
happen when you change power settings - either powering up or down. Pulling
the power back to land is where I had an engine failure in the Cub.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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