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1. 04:58 AM - Variation on an idea, rudder cable attachments-Esqual UK update (James, Clive R)
2. 06:48 AM - Re: Variation on an idea, rudder cable attachments-Esqual UK update (GARY PENNINGTON)
3. 06:53 AM - Jabiru Magneto (wampam)
4. 07:20 AM - Re: Variation on an idea, rudder cable attachments-Esqual UK update (Colin J. Kennedy)
5. 07:47 AM - Re: Variation on an idea, rudder cable attachments-Esqual UK ... (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
6. 07:50 AM - Re: Jabiru Magneto (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
7. 07:57 AM - Re: Jabiru Magneto (Mefford, Walt)
8. 08:18 AM - Re: Jabiru Magneto (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
9. 09:43 AM - Re: Jabiru Magneto (wampam)
10. 10:16 AM - Re: Re: Jabiru Magneto (IFLYSMODEL@AOL.COM)
11. 10:43 AM - Re: Variation on an idea, rudder cable attachments-Esqual UK ... (James, Clive R)
12. 10:43 AM - Re: Variation on an idea, rudder cable attachments-Esqual UK update (James, Clive R)
13. 10:45 AM - Re: Variation on an idea, rudder cable attachments-Esqual UK update (James, Clive R)
14. 11:10 AM - Re: Variation on an idea, rudder cable attachments-Esqual UK ... (N1BZRich@aol.com)
15. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Jabiru Magneto (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
16. 12:07 PM - New Years's Day tradition - Go flying (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
17. 05:59 PM - Flight Performance (Bob Hassel)
18. 07:02 PM - Re: Flight Performance (Dick Cleavinger)
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| Subject: | Variation on an idea, rudder cable attachments-Esqual |
UK update
<<left side rear view.JPG>> <<ready to fit.JPG>> <<on Rudder.JPG>>
<<right side.JPG>>
I liked the idea that someone else had to stop flexing the rudder cable
ends but wanted to reduce the amount on length lost and also make the
strength of the attachment not an issue, pivot from the centre etc.
I'd had criticism from the PFA about the stress on the cables when I was
there in September so something had to be done.
Not very good pictures as in the back of the hangar and taken with my
phone but you'll get the idea. There isn't a lot of room as you'll
recall from the standard set up it's close but there's clearance enough.
I've lost about 1/2" each side but the way I'd fitted the top pulleys in
the centre of the plane I'd shortened the cable well doing the build.
I've now fitted two bolts on the rear rib caps to the Karman and the
movement between rear of the wing and Karman has stopped. I got info
from Spain that they use two bolts at the back on all non carbon Esquals
Electric trim is on with rocker switch fitted into the seat, position
read out on the panel.
Mode S transponder received back from Filser updated and refitted.
Re-routed antenna cables on their own.
Looking to do some flying next week prior to installation of the stall
strips that have been requested.
Then back to the PFA for another evaluation.
Regards, Clive
HNY
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| Subject: | Re: Variation on an idea, rudder cable attachments-Esqual |
UK update
Variation on an idea, rudder cable attachments-Esqual UK updateGood
morning James
I really like the looks of your brackets....it appears they are machined
from aluminum. Very nice.
I made the same kind of brackets for the rudder cable ends on my
Lightning from stainless steel flat stock. They flex in multi-
directions with no binding. I had to shorten the cables and turnbuckles
more than I wanted, but they still seem to be safe. I understand that
Arion Lightning has the cables made for them. They could order shorter
cables and use this type of installation.
Thanks for sharing.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: James, Clive R<mailto:clive.james@uk.bp.com>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:57 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Variation on an idea, rudder cable
attachments-Esqual UK update
<<left side rear view.JPG>> <<ready to fit.JPG>> <<on Rudder.JPG>>
<<right side.JPG>>
I liked the idea that someone else had to stop flexing the rudder
cable ends but wanted to reduce the amount on length lost and also make
the strength of the attachment not an issue, pivot from the centre etc.
I'd had criticism from the PFA about the stress on the cables when I
was there in September so something had to be done.
Not very good pictures as in the back of the hangar and taken with my
phone but you'll get the idea. There isn't a lot of room as you'll
recall from the standard set up it's close but there's clearance enough.
I've lost about 1/2" each side but the way I'd fitted the top pulleys in
the centre of the plane I'd shortened the cable well doing the build.
I've now fitted two bolts on the rear rib caps to the Karman and the
movement between rear of the wing and Karman has stopped. I got info
from Spain that they use two bolts at the back on all non carbon Esquals
Electric trim is on with rocker switch fitted into the seat, position
read out on the panel.
Mode S transponder received back from Filser updated and refitted.
Re-routed antenna cables on their own.
Looking to do some flying next week prior to installation of the stall
strips that have been requested.
Then back to the PFA for another evaluation.
Regards, Clive
HNY
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I am sure that someone besides me has noticed this but when I finally got around
to looking at the magneto on the Jabiru, what a surprise to see that the design
was the same as used on the Model T Ford. My Ford will be 97 years old in
March and as far as I know the magneto as never been touched other than to have
the magnets re-magnetized. This says a lot about the reliability of the design.
Walt Mefford :D
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221914#221914
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| Subject: | Variation on an idea, rudder cable attachments-Esqual |
UK update
I'm assuming it is not aluminum, but steel. Which is it James? Did you
fabricate them yourself? It would be nice to be able to buy a set.
Does the following refer to fitting two rather than one rear wing angle
of
incidence bolts that go through the karman into the wing? I don't
remember
you have shared this issue before.
"I've now fitted two bolts on the rear rib caps to the Karman and the
movement between rear of the wing and Karman has stopped. I got info
from
Spain that they use two bolts at the back on all non carbon Esquals"
Happy New Year to all!
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY
PENNINGTON
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Variation on an idea, rudder cable
attachments-Esqual UK update
Good morning James
I really like the looks of your brackets....it appears they are machined
from aluminum. Very nice.
I made the same kind of brackets for the rudder cable ends on my
Lightning
from stainless steel flat stock. They flex in multi- directions with no
binding. I had to shorten the cables and turnbuckles more than I wanted,
but
they still seem to be safe. I understand that Arion Lightning has the
cables made for them. They could order shorter cables and use this type
of
installation.
Thanks for sharing.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: James, Clive R <mailto:clive.james@uk.bp.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:57 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Variation on an idea, rudder cable
attachments-Esqual UK update
<<left side rear view.JPG>> <<ready to fit.JPG>> <<on Rudder.JPG>>
<<right
side.JPG>>
I liked the idea that someone else had to stop flexing the rudder cable
ends
but wanted to reduce the amount on length lost and also make the
strength of
the attachment not an issue, pivot from the centre etc.
I'd had criticism from the PFA about the stress on the cables when I was
there in September so something had to be done.
Not very good pictures as in the back of the hangar and taken with my
phone
but you'll get the idea. There isn't a lot of room as you'll recall from
the
standard set up it's close but there's clearance enough. I've lost about
1/2" each side but the way I'd fitted the top pulleys in the centre of
the
plane I'd shortened the cable well doing the build.
I've now fitted two bolts on the rear rib caps to the Karman and the
movement between rear of the wing and Karman has stopped. I got info
from
Spain that they use two bolts at the back on all non carbon Esquals
Electric trim is on with rocker switch fitted into the seat, position
read
out on the panel.
Mode S transponder received back from Filser updated and refitted.
Re-routed antenna cables on their own.
Looking to do some flying next week prior to installation of the stall
strips that have been requested.
Then back to the PFA for another evaluation.
Regards, Clive
HNY
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| Subject: | Re: Variation on an idea, rudder cable attachments-Esqual |
UK ...
Good tech tip Clive. I will put it in the next Lightning Newsletter with
your permission.
Happy New Year,
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Magneto |
In a message dated 12/31/2008 9:53:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
walt.mefford@garmin.com writes:
the magneto on the Jabiru,..........................design was the same as
used on the Model T Ford. My Ford will be 97 years old in March
Hi Walt.
Interesting info. Just wondering if your Model T was the first car you
bought "new".
Have a Great New Year,
Buz
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Buz,
Actually I am the fourth owner. My father was the third, a friend of
the family was the second and I don't know who the first was. Not that
old yet. However, my grandfather did not give up flying until he was
91.
Walt
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Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jabiru Magneto
In a message dated 12/31/2008 9:53:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
walt.mefford@garmin.com writes:
the magneto on the Jabiru,..........................design was
the same as used on the Model T Ford. My Ford will be 97 years old in
March
Hi Walt.
Interesting info. Just wondering if your Model T was the first car
you bought "new".
Have a Great New Year,
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Magneto |
That's super, Walt. Of course I was kidding about you buying it new. How
is your new jet flying? When you get a chance write up some of your thoughts
on the build process and flying observations for us to share with others in
the newsletter. In fact, a great photo would be the "T" along side the
Lightning. Kind of a reverse photo of Nick and my 'Vetts beside the Demo
Lightning. I would really like that for the newsletter. When ever you get the
chance, just send it directly to my email address.
Thanks,
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Magneto |
Here is the car. Now I need the lightning.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221958#221958
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/1912ford_461.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Magneto |
Nice looking T, Walt, very nice.
Lynn Nelsen
In a message dated 12/31/2008 12:43:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
walt.mefford@garmin.com writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "wampam" <walt.mefford@garmin.com>
Here is the car. Now I need the lightning.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221958#221958
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/1912ford_461.jpg
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| Subject: | Variation on an idea, rudder cable attachments-Esqual |
UK ...
Thanks Buz, HNY to you also. If you think others might use it by all
means put it in. I took a look under the cockpit earlier today and
there's scope to shorten the cables by moving the pulleys behind the
instrument panel closer some more. I still had adjustment enough in the
turnbuckles.
Been a bit slow lately with the Esqual but getting a move on now for the
New Year!
Regards, Clive
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@AOL.COM
Sent: 31 December 2008 15:46
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Variation on an idea, rudder cable
attachments-Esqual UK ...
Good tech tip Clive. I will put it in the next Lightning Newsletter
with your permission.
Happy New Year,
Buz
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| Subject: | Variation on an idea, rudder cable attachments-Esqual |
UK update
Ah it was you Gary. I tried to find the E mail, it was your idea that I
was copying, thanks for getting me started!
Regards, Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY
PENNINGTON
Sent: 31 December 2008 14:48
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Variation on an idea, rudder cable
attachments-Esqual UK update
Good morning James
I really like the looks of your brackets....it appears they are machined
from aluminum. Very nice.
I made the same kind of brackets for the rudder cable ends on my
Lightning from stainless steel flat stock. They flex in multi-
directions with no binding. I had to shorten the cables and turnbuckles
more than I wanted, but they still seem to be safe. I understand that
Arion Lightning has the cables made for them. They could order shorter
cables and use this type of installation.
Thanks for sharing.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: James, Clive R <mailto:clive.james@uk.bp.com>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:57 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Variation on an idea, rudder cable
attachments-Esqual UK update
<<left side rear view.JPG>> <<ready to fit.JPG>> <<on
Rudder.JPG>> <<right side.JPG>>
I liked the idea that someone else had to stop flexing the
rudder cable ends but wanted to reduce the amount on length lost and
also make the strength of the attachment not an issue, pivot from the
centre etc.
I'd had criticism from the PFA about the stress on the cables
when I was there in September so something had to be done.
Not very good pictures as in the back of the hangar and taken
with my phone but you'll get the idea. There isn't a lot of room as
you'll recall from the standard set up it's close but there's clearance
enough. I've lost about 1/2" each side but the way I'd fitted the top
pulleys in the centre of the plane I'd shortened the cable well doing
the build.
I've now fitted two bolts on the rear rib caps to the Karman and
the movement between rear of the wing and Karman has stopped. I got info
from Spain that they use two bolts at the back on all non carbon Esquals
Electric trim is on with rocker switch fitted into the seat,
position read out on the panel.
Mode S transponder received back from Filser updated and
refitted.
Re-routed antenna cables on their own.
Looking to do some flying next week prior to installation of the
stall strips that have been requested.
Then back to the PFA for another evaluation.
Regards, Clive
HNY
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| Subject: | Variation on an idea, rudder cable attachments-Esqual |
UK update
Hi Colin, that's the solution I hope to the problem. I had taped the
joint between the wing and the Karman and the tape split, found that
there was movement at the rear if the wingtip was pulled forwards. Danny
in Belgium checked his and it was Ok so I assumed mine was a one off, I
discovered through the grapevine two bolts were fitted, top and bottom
on some Esquals in Spain.
The aluminium links were just filed out of 1/2 ally bar stock, took
about 2.5 hours for the two.
Regards, Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin J.
Kennedy
Sent: 31 December 2008 15:20
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Variation on an idea, rudder cable
attachments-Esqual UK update
I'm assuming it is not aluminum, but steel. Which is it James? Did you
fabricate them yourself? It would be nice to be able to buy a set.
Does the following refer to fitting two rather than one rear wing angle
of incidence bolts that go through the karman into the wing? I don't
remember you have shared this issue before.
"I've now fitted two bolts on the rear rib caps to the Karman
and the movement between rear of the wing and Karman has stopped. I got
info from Spain that they use two bolts at the back on all non carbon
Esquals"
Happy New Year to all!
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY
PENNINGTON
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 8:48 AM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Variation on an idea, rudder cable
attachments-Esqual UK update
Good morning James
I really like the looks of your brackets....it appears they are
machined from aluminum. Very nice.
I made the same kind of brackets for the rudder cable ends on my
Lightning from stainless steel flat stock. They flex in multi-
directions with no binding. I had to shorten the cables and turnbuckles
more than I wanted, but they still seem to be safe. I understand that
Arion Lightning has the cables made for them. They could order shorter
cables and use this type of installation.
Thanks for sharing.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: James, Clive R <mailto:clive.james@uk.bp.com>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:57 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Variation on an idea, rudder
cable attachments-Esqual UK update
<<left side rear view.JPG>> <<ready to fit.JPG>> <<on
Rudder.JPG>> <<right side.JPG>>
I liked the idea that someone else had to stop flexing
the rudder cable ends but wanted to reduce the amount on length lost and
also make the strength of the attachment not an issue, pivot from the
centre etc.
I'd had criticism from the PFA about the stress on the
cables when I was there in September so something had to be done.
Not very good pictures as in the back of the hangar and
taken with my phone but you'll get the idea. There isn't a lot of room
as you'll recall from the standard set up it's close but there's
clearance enough. I've lost about 1/2" each side but the way I'd fitted
the top pulleys in the centre of the plane I'd shortened the cable well
doing the build.
I've now fitted two bolts on the rear rib caps to the
Karman and the movement between rear of the wing and Karman has stopped.
I got info from Spain that they use two bolts at the back on all non
carbon Esquals
Electric trim is on with rocker switch fitted into the
seat, position read out on the panel.
Mode S transponder received back from Filser updated and
refitted.
Re-routed antenna cables on their own.
Looking to do some flying next week prior to
installation of the stall strips that have been requested.
Then back to the PFA for another evaluation.
Regards, Clive
HNY
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| Subject: | Re: Variation on an idea, rudder cable attachments-Esqual |
UK ...
Hi Colin & Clive,
I think you will find that this is not a problem on the Lightning and on
only some of the (early?) Esquals. Pretty sure Nick, Pete, and Ben saw this
while they were building early Esquals and designed the Lightning so that it
would not have this concern. There were other Esqual design concerns (like
the aileron bay / aileron hinge points, rudder and brake pedals made out of
stainless, etc) that they changed while designing the Lightning. Bottom line,
the Lightning is a much stronger airframe and sub assemblies- all around.
Buz (much modified Esqual LS = Lightning Stuff)
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Magneto |
In a message dated 12/31/2008 12:43:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
walt.mefford@garmin.com writes:
Here is the car. Now I need the lightning.
Yep, a photo with the T and the Lightning together showing how far personal
transportation has come in 100 years is what would be appreciated for the
newsletter. (I think I remember the first Ford Model T came out in late 1908
-
however, I was NOT alive when that happened).
Blue Skies (but very windy today in VA)
Buz
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| Subject: | New Years's Day tradition - Go flying |
All,
As I sit here watching the Air Force Academy / Houston bowl game (my
team currently losing by 3 points) and listening to the wind howling outside (21
gusting to 36, with an occasional over 45 knots) I am already thinking about
my annual New Year's Day tradition for tomorrow. Every New Years Day (for
as long as I can remember) I have made it a tradition to go flying each 1
January. Kind of my way to "start the year off right".
The forecast for tomorrow looks good for most of the US, so I am
suggesting that we launch as many Lightnings (and Esquals) as possible tomorrow
to
start off 2009 right. So if you have a flying Lightning or Esqual, and if
your local weather if good, get yourself out to your airplane and get some "wind
beneath your wings". Take your camera with you and send me a photo of you
and your Lightning.
Blue Skies and Happy New Year,
Buz
PS: Since it is already 2009 in Australia (or soon will be) I hope you guys
down under are flying now.
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| Subject: | Flight Performance |
I'm wondering what the true flight performance is on the Lightning. What's
the max rpm's you can cruise at for extended periods of time? I assume that
the 170mph top cruise speed is max rpm, so only for a limited time?
The Lightning's pluses for me are it's looks (always important and worth at
least 5 knots), the level of completion of the kit (and therefore the
ability to get it built in a reasonable amount of time), composite
construction and the Jabiru engine.
Thanks in advance. I live in the southwest (Santa Fe, NM) and cross country
performance is very important.
Bob Hassel
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Performance |
Hi Bob
I live in Colorado and fly my lightning mostly at 6 to 12 k feet. I cruse
at 145 to 150mph at 2850 or so rpm. I chose a climb prop and don't fly wide
open throttle much except during climb. It is still a great airplane
Dick Cleavinger
lightning #42
n213rc
n213rc@gmail.com
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Bob Hassel <bob@cozyworld.net> wrote:
> I'm wondering what the true flight performance is on the Lightning.
> What's the max rpm's you can cruise at for extended periods of time? I
> assume that the 170mph top cruise speed is max rpm, so only for a limited
> time?
>
>
> The Lightning's pluses for me are it's looks (always important and worth at
> least 5 knots), the level of completion of the kit (and therefore the
> ability to get it built in a reasonable amount of time), composite
> construction and the Jabiru engine.
>
>
> Thanks in advance. I live in the southwest (Santa Fe, NM) and cross
> country performance is very important.
>
>
> Bob Hassel
>
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