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1. 12:06 PM - Re: newsletter survey (GARY PENNINGTON)
2. 01:02 PM - Re: newsletter survey (Bob Haas)
3. 01:33 PM - turbulant landing (N1BZRich@aol.com)
4. 01:45 PM - Re: newsletter survey (N1BZRich@aol.com)
5. 03:41 PM - Re: newsletter survey (Wayne Patterson)
6. 04:31 PM - Re:Rough landings (EAFerguson@aol.com)
7. 05:32 PM - Re: newsletter survey (Bob Hassel)
8. 05:51 PM - Re: newsletter survey (N1BZRich@aol.com)
9. 06:50 PM - Re: newsletter survey (Wayne Patterson)
10. 07:37 PM - Re: Re:Rough landings (N1BZRich@aol.com)
11. 07:47 PM - Re: newsletter survey (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
12. 10:07 PM - Fastening wheel pants to brackets? (Jim Langley)
13. 10:13 PM - Re: Fastening wheel pants to brackets? (Peter and Jan Disher)
14. 10:29 PM - Newsletter survey content (Peter and Jan Disher)
15. 10:48 PM - 2 pictures for you (Peter and Jan Disher)
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| Subject: | Re: newsletter survey |
Good morning everyone.
I don't know if this writing is "Newsletter" quality, but; I would like
to share a rather dreadful flight experience from this morning.
The "ADDS" weather report predicted a fast moving Low Pressure Cold
Front to move through Tucson, Arizona today. Winds were forecasted to be
up to 25kts. I had scheduled the flight with a friend of mine in my
Lightning ....dependant upon the weather. When we were ready to depart,
the wind was North at five and the sky was clear and sunny. It seemed
like great flying weather, except the Cold Front still had me worried.
I rolled down the runway and lifted off normally. Almost immediately,
the turbulence began. I had hoped I could climb above it but no such
luck. As we approached the mountains East of the airport, the
turbulence became more violent. We were being lifted and dropped to the
extent of our seat belts while bumping our heads against the canopy.
Holding "Wings Level" was impossible. I aborted the flight and turned
back to the airport. While turning, I watched my wingtips flex an
unbelievable amount and I appreciated the safety factors built into the
airframe!
When reaching the downwind leg, the turbulence subsided somewhat and I
was relieved, however; it was short lived! Abeam the numbers, it became
extremely rough....nearly unmanageable. I reduce the throttle to idle,
pitched the nose down and began to drop flaps. The updrafts were so
severe, we were gaining 600 ft/min. A moment later, we dropped 300 ft.
Up and down, up and down!
By the time I turned final, we were 1500 ft. above the runway so I went
around. The second time around was the same as the first. On the third
attempt, I pulled power early and glided to an extended downwind,
(without flaps), and was able to descend while bouncing wildly. When
turning final, I dropped flaps to 30 degrees but maintained 70 mph while
crossing the numbers. My landing was not pretty. I bounced, but added a
little power and finally set it down without mishap.
Later, after thinking about the flight , I remembered that under similar
atmospheric conditions in my other planes, I would typically use only 10
degrees of flaps and slightly higher approach speeds which allowed a
better descent and landing. So, let me ask the experts...."What scenario
would you have used under these circumstances"?
Have a great day.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: sttwig<mailto:sttwig@nwinfo.net>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:20 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: newsletter survey
<sttwig@nwinfo.net<mailto:sttwig@nwinfo.net>>
Hello all,
I don't know about all of you, but I really appreciate the Lightning
Newsletters. Besides the Matronics list and emailing Arion it is the
only contact I have with the Lightning community. I'm urging all of you
to take a couple of minutes and complete the survey that Buz sent out
with his announcement of the last newsletter. Buz as editor and the
contributors put in a lot of time and effort to make it a worthwhile
publication. No response to his survey could be construed to mean that
it is not useful. I'm sure that everyone finds something of value to
them in every issue, so let Buz know. I have pasted a copy of the
survey here for your convenience. Send your response directly to him at
n1bzrich@aol.com<mailto:n1bzrich@aol.com>
- Please make suggestions for future lead articles.
____________________________________________.
- Note: One of my favorites was Dick Clevenger's "travel log".
- Currently each issue is normally divided into the following
sections: Lead article, News from the factory, News from the dealers,
News from builders and flyers, Feedback from readers, Up coming events,
Technical Tips, Skunk Works info, Other information, and Final thoughts.
Questions - What other section should be included?
_________________________________________________________________________
____.
- What section is the most useful and/or enjoyable?
__________________________________________.
- It the "Lightning of the Month" selection and photo a good thing?
______________________________ .
- What about the past "Centerfold of the Month"? Your thoughts
________________________________.
- Would you be willing to submit an article or story in the future?
________________________________.
- Almost any subject or topic is OK, but Lightning related would
probably be best, but not mandantory.
- Other thoughts and suggestions
_________________________________________________________.
- Remember, I want any feedback, good or bad, and any inputs for
future issues. That is the only way this newsletter is going to keep
being published and be useful to the group. Remember the newsletter
should be helpful and enjoyable to current, future, and potential
builders and flyers. I need your help to meet that goal.
Steve Sundquist
Kit #48
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| Subject: | newsletter survey |
To all, I don't have my Lightning yet, but I have been following
the site for over two years. L find it very informative and I read it almost
daily. Some time it gets a little silly but for the most it gives me some
insight as to what to expect on the initial flights, what to look for and
what
Is normal and of course what is not. I like to reread some of the articles
and I'm not surprised at the repetition, every one doesn't get it the
first time.
I'm looking forward to Sebring EXPO on January 22nd thru the
25th, that is when a lot of parts and aircraft are seen and sold right out
of the box. Bob Haas N 380 BH.
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY
PENNINGTON
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: newsletter survey
Good morning everyone.
I don't know if this writing is "Newsletter" quality, but; I would like to
share a rather dreadful flight experience from this morning.
The "ADDS" weather report predicted a fast moving Low Pressure Cold Front to
move through Tucson, Arizona today. Winds were forecasted to be up to 25kts.
I had scheduled the flight with a friend of mine in my Lightning
....dependant upon the weather. When we were ready to depart, the wind was
North at five and the sky was clear and sunny. It seemed like great flying
weather, except the Cold Front still had me worried.
I rolled down the runway and lifted off normally. Almost immediately, the
turbulence began. I had hoped I could climb above it but no such luck. As
we approached the mountains East of the airport, the turbulence became more
violent. We were being lifted and dropped to the extent of our seat belts
while bumping our heads against the canopy. Holding "Wings Level" was
impossible. I aborted the flight and turned back to the airport. While
turning, I watched my wingtips flex an unbelievable amount and I appreciated
the safety factors built into the airframe!
When reaching the downwind leg, the turbulence subsided somewhat and I was
relieved, however; it was short lived! Abeam the numbers, it became
extremely rough....nearly unmanageable. I reduce the throttle to idle,
pitched the nose down and began to drop flaps. The updrafts were so severe,
we were gaining 600 ft/min. A moment later, we dropped 300 ft. Up and down,
up and down!
By the time I turned final, we were 1500 ft. above the runway so I went
around. The second time around was the same as the first. On the third
attempt, I pulled power early and glided to an extended downwind, (without
flaps), and was able to descend while bouncing wildly. When turning final, I
dropped flaps to 30 degrees but maintained 70 mph while crossing the
numbers. My landing was not pretty. I bounced, but added a little power and
finally set it down without mishap.
Later, after thinking about the flight , I remembered that under similar
atmospheric conditions in my other planes, I would typically use only 10
degrees of flaps and slightly higher approach speeds which allowed a better
descent and landing. So, let me ask the experts...."What scenario would you
have used under these circumstances"?
Have a great day.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: sttwig <mailto:sttwig@nwinfo.net>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:20 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: newsletter survey
Hello all,
I don't know about all of you, but I really appreciate the Lightning
Newsletters. Besides the Matronics list and emailing Arion it is the only
contact I have with the Lightning community. I'm urging all of you to take
a couple of minutes and complete the survey that Buz sent out with his
announcement of the last newsletter. Buz as editor and the contributors put
in a lot of time and effort to make it a worthwhile publication. No
response to his survey could be construed to mean that it is not useful.
I'm sure that everyone finds something of value to them in every issue, so
let Buz know. I have pasted a copy of the survey here for your convenience.
Send your response directly to him at n1bzrich@aol.com
- Please make suggestions for future lead articles.
____________________________________________.
- Note: One of my favorites was Dick Clevenger's "travel log".
- Currently each issue is normally divided into the following sections: Lead
article, News from the factory, News from the dealers, News from builders
and flyers, Feedback from readers, Up coming events, Technical Tips, Skunk
Works info, Other information, and Final thoughts. Questions - What other
section should be included?
____________________________________________________________________________
_.
- What section is the most useful and/or enjoyable?
__________________________________________.
- It the "Lightning of the Month" selection and photo a good thing?
______________________________ .
- What about the past "Centerfold of the Month"? Your thoughts
________________________________.
- Would you be willing to submit an article or story in the future?
________________________________.
- Almost any subject or topic is OK, but Lightning related would probably be
best, but not mandantory.
- Other thoughts and suggestions
_________________________________________________________.
- Remember, I want any feedback, good or bad, and any inputs for future
issues. That is the only way this newsletter is going to keep being
published and be useful to the group. Remember the newsletter should be
helpful and enjoyable to current, future, and potential builders and flyers.
I need your help to meet that goal.
Steve Sundquist
Kit #48
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| Subject: | turbulant landing |
Gary,
What were the actual winds? Degrees off the runway, variable heading,
gust factor, etc. Which airport in Tucson were you using? Hey, overall you
did a good job. You knew to go around when things didn't look good and you
finally got it down safely. Who cares what it looked like it nothing got bent.
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: newsletter survey |
Hey Bob (and all)
Are your comments about the Lightning web site or the Lightning newsletters?
What I am really looking for is feedback on the newsletters so I can
improve them based on what the readers want to see. I have no idea how many people
really read the newsletter, but even with Steve's recent prodding to return
the survey, only a total of five have done so to this point. Not too
impressive. Just asking for suggestions in the past has not been too successful
getting valid feedback so that is why I sent the survey out with the
notification that the January issue was now posted. With all the effort that
goes into
each issue, I am really beginning to wonder if it is really worth the time.
That was the purpose of the survey.
Buz
**************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making
headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002)
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| Subject: | newsletter survey |
Buz
The newsletter is certainly printed and widely read over in Western
Australia. I have each copy filed, though they are a little dog-eared
by being read by so many. All my aviation friends interested in my
Lightning project read it.
I have just returned from 2 =BD weeks in Singapore so am a little out of
touch - but will contribute something ASAP.
Cheers & thanks for the newsletter!
Wayne P
Perth WA
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: newsletter survey
Hey Bob (and all)
Are your comments about the Lightning web site or the Lightning
newsletters? What I am really looking for is feedback on the
newsletters so I can improve them based on what the readers want to see.
I have no idea how many people really read the newsletter, but even
with Steve's recent prodding to return the survey, only a total of five
have done so to this point. Not too impressive. Just asking for
suggestions in the past has not been too successful getting valid
feedback so that is why I sent the survey out with the notification that
the January issue was now posted. With all the effort that goes into
each issue, I am really beginning to wonder if it is really worth the
time. That was the purpose of the survey.
Buz
________________________________
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| Subject: | Re:Rough landings |
In a message dated 1/10/2009 3:07:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pennington@q.com writes:
Later, after thinking about the flight , I remembered that under similar
atmospheric conditions in my other planes, I would typically use only 10 degrees
of flaps and slightly higher approach speeds which allowed a better descent
and landing. So, let me ask the experts...."What scenario would you have used
under these circumstances"?
This will surely generate some useful postings. Here's my take for Buz and
anybody else with strong opinions to comment upon.
I've had several landings where rough air was a factor. One of note at New
Orleans Lakefront airport where I was on the ground rolling out and a gust
picked me up about 10'. Added lots of power and went around. Jaburu engine
responded with no hesitation, for which I was grateful. Second attempt was almost
as rough, but we stayed on the ground. Logged two landings!
In cases like this approach I carry some power on final. That almost
requires full flaps or you will float forever. Cut power when stable just above
the
runway. Hit the flaps up button immediately after touch down to kill lift.
Always use long runways, (well try to).
The important point to make here is that the Lightning is a very light
aircraft, and it responds more to gusts than heavier types. The gear legs are
springy too, and it will bounce. In rough air expect the worst and be prepared
to
go around as Gary correctly did.
The recent discussion on engines quitting on final is also important. A
porpoise with the prop stopped would be a disaster. SO put Mark's extra collar
on
the throttle cable (I admit I haven't done that yet, but I will).
My hint on rough air takeoffs: Hold it on the ground until 3-5 mph above
normal liftoff speed, then pull up to quickly put 10'+ between you and the
runway.
OK guys, the firing range is open.
Earl Ferguson
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| Subject: | newsletter survey |
I've only been around for very short while. The newsletters are great and
add real value to the Lightning cause. To see others experiences, aircraft
and insights is truly valuable for someone like me in the deciding mode.
The newsletter adds depth to the discussion and real perspective.
Thanks for the work!
Bob
Santa Fe, NM
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: newsletter survey
Hey Bob (and all)
Are your comments about the Lightning web site or the Lightning newsletters?
What I am really looking for is feedback on the newsletters so I can improve
them based on what the readers want to see. I have no idea how many people
really read the newsletter, but even with Steve's recent prodding to return
the survey, only a total of five have done so to this point. Not too
impressive. Just asking for suggestions in the past has not been too
successful getting valid feedback so that is why I sent the survey out with
the notification that the January issue was now posted. With all the effort
that goes into each issue, I am really beginning to wonder if it is really
worth the time. That was the purpose of the survey.
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: newsletter survey |
Thanks, Wayne. I really appreciate you taking the time to comment. It will
help me develop a future plan for the newsletter. Whenever you get the
time, I would really appreciate any article you care to send.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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Hi again Buz
Interesting reading of the weather in the states. It is about 38C
outside at the moment (11.45am) and will get hotter today - somewhat of
a contrast! I would like to add some colour to my Lightning but the
outside temps are causing me to probably stick with white or silver.
Even with white if we leave aircraft sitting in the sun when there is no
wind, the surface temp can go well over 45C. Am thinking of buying a
remote temp reader to measure actual temps on aircraft surfaces to aid
in decision making. Still - we have no issues with any fluids freezing
....
Cheers!
WP
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: newsletter survey
Thanks, Wayne. I really appreciate you taking the time to comment. It
will help me develop a future plan for the newsletter. Whenever you get
the time, I would really appreciate any article you care to send.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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| Subject: | Re:Rough landings |
In a message dated 1/10/2009 7:32:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
EAFerguson@aol.com writes:
The gear legs are springy too, and it will bounce.
Hey World Record Earl,
Good to hear from you. I pretty much agree with all you mentioned except
for one part - I do not agree that "springy gear legs" cause an airplane to
bounce back in the air on landings. Here are my thoughts on bounced landings:
Bounced landings result from one of the following three things:
1 - the pilot does not arrest the descent by flaring properly and the
airplane impacts hard and then rebounds - has to do with the improper flare and
not the springy gear legs.
2 - the pilot attempts to touch down at too great an airspeed, while the
wing is still developing excess lift and the aircraft skips back into the
air - again, not the result of springy gear legs.
3 - the pilot relaxes elevator back pressure at the point of touchdown,
reducing the wing's angle of attack from a previously stalled condition to
one that will generate enough lift to put the airplane momentarily back into
the air.
Now, having said the above, I also must tell everyone that based on you
holding a world record in your Lightning, and the fact that you have an
"advanced chronology" in years, that I normally pretty much agree with you. But,
for
those of you that don't know Earl, he was probably not involved in building
the pyramids in Egypt, but I think he was a member of their design team. :-)
Blue Skies,
Buz
PS: Maybe when Nick completes the "drop test" for the upcoming SLSA
Lightning he will post the video on their web site. I think that the Lightning's
"springy gear legs" will not bounce the Lightning no matter how high they drop
it from. They may bend out of shape, but I really doubt it will really
bounce.
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| Subject: | Re: newsletter survey |
Wayne,
Nick did some surface temp testing at Sun-N-Fun last year on the new
silver demo aircraft. I don't remember the actual numbers but they were well
below any danger point. I borrowed the hand held temp tester and also did some
comparison test on various other composite aircraft on display. Obviously
the white one were the coolest, but not that much more than the silver. The
hottest was on a maroon colored nose section on a new factory Cirrus. Again,
sorry, I don't remember any of the actual numbers. Nick probably has them
written down somewhere. I feel sure that if you stay with white or silver as
your primary color you will be good.
Buz
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| Subject: | Fastening wheel pants to brackets? |
How are you guys fastening the wheel pants to the inside mounting brackets?
I was using a screw and Ny Nut, but my hards are SO big that it is almost
impossible for me to get in there to hold the nut in place for the screw!
Can't I just use T-nuts and the same screws?
Jim!
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| Subject: | Re: Fastening wheel pants to brackets? |
Thats all I did Jim, anchor nuts and washer head screws 10-32
Pete D
VH-PDI
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Langley
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 5:06 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Fastening wheel pants to brackets?
How are you guys fastening the wheel pants to the inside mounting
brackets? I was using a screw and Ny Nut, but my hards are SO big that
it is almost impossible for me to get in there to hold the nut in place
for the screw!
Can't I just use T-nuts and the same screws?
Jim!
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| Subject: | Newsletter survey content |
Hi Buz,
Your Newsletter I find is a very enjoyable read and do look forward to
it each month. I will hang a copy up in our aero club from now on, I
don't know why I haven't to date, no excuses.
In particular I like your "lead stories", peoples flying experience and
adventures. Articles on airmanship, and discipline in flying.
I always enjoy reading your reports of performance on your trips, you
should put them in the newsletter so others can read that are not on the
list. I just hope I can do the same and report accurately, first trip
Narromine (YNRM) at Easter, our Nat Fly. This Lightning is a good
performer and we should spread the word.
As additional topics for the newsletter, I would like to see more
pictures (and you got me on to this path with your new years day
sortie), of Lightning owners back yard scenery and airfields, was great
to see Johnny Thompson and Wayne Lenox shots in Arizona.
Maybe we all should take a camera on trips and send you the pictures and
detail for editing as to what's good for the newsletter. I would
certainly be happy to do it.
Pete D
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| Subject: | 2 pictures for you |
Jim, I found a couple of pictures.
Pete D
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