Lightning-List Digest Archive

Mon 01/12/09


Total Messages Posted: 21



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     1. 12:32 AM - Aircraft ID (Wayne Patterson)
     2. 01:21 AM - Re: Aircraft ID (selwyn)
     3. 02:11 AM - Re: Re: Aircraft ID (Wayne Patterson)
     4. 02:59 AM - Re: 2 pictures for you (James, Clive R)
     5. 05:58 AM - Re: turbulant landing (GARY PENNINGTON)
     6. 06:20 AM - Re: newsletter survey (flylightning)
     7. 08:34 AM - 51% list (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
     8. 08:42 AM - Insurance (Hollis Babb)
     9. 09:04 AM - Re: Insurance (Jim Langley)
    10. 09:07 AM - Re: Insurance (Mefford, Walt)
    11. 09:33 AM - Re: Insurance (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
    12. 10:19 AM - Re: Insurance cost (Hugh Sontag)
    13. 10:34 AM - Re: Insurance cost (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
    14. 01:02 PM - Re: Insurance cost (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS)
    15. 02:33 PM - Re: Insurance cost (n5pb@aol.com)
    16. 02:50 PM - Re: Insurance cost (Hollis Babb)
    17. 04:10 PM - Re: Insurance cost (IFLYSMODEL@AOL.COM)
    18. 08:12 PM - RockRack by Aveo (Jim Langley)
    19. 08:24 PM - Turbine? (Jim Langley)
    20. 09:38 PM - Re: Turbine? (N1BZRich@aol.com)
    21. 09:39 PM - Re: Newsletter Survey (Richard Yee)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:32:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Aircraft ID
    From: "Wayne Patterson" <Wayne@lpwa.net>
    My brother-in-law (a San Diego lad) took this picture in Malawi yesterday. It is the aircraft the company is considering as their new corporate ride. My reference books are out of date so were no use to me in identifying it for him. Any ideas???? Cheers from Perth Australia Wayne P (Kit #65)


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    Time: 01:21:32 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Aircraft ID
    From: "selwyn" <selwyn@ellisworks.com.au>
    Beech 1900D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_1900 -------- Cheers, Selwyn Kit 66 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224184#224184


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    Time: 02:11:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Aircraft ID
    From: "Wayne Patterson" <Wayne@lpwa.net>
    Thank you Seal ....... Wayne P -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:21 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Aircraft ID <selwyn@ellisworks.com.au> Beech 1900D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_1900 -------- Cheers, Selwyn Kit 66 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224184#224184


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    Time: 02:59:41 AM PST US
    Subject: 2 pictures for you
    From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
    That's great thanks Jim, things are moving forward with the Esqual and if, big if, I get the UK permit I'll be continuing to 'clean her up' ! Should know within the next month, just stall strips to fit. Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: 11 January 2009 23:45 Subject: RE: Lightning-List: 2 pictures for you --> <pequeajim@gmail.com> Thanks Clive: I got them from this guy: http://www.fairings-etc.com/home.htm I believe we bought the ones for the RV-9, but if you talk to Bob and tell him you want the same ones that he sold Jim Langley for Green Landings, he will get you the correct version. They are very simple to install. -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James, Clive R Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:48 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: 2 pictures for you <clive.james@uk.bp.com> Jim, these look very neat. Where do you get the spats(pants) and fairings from? Vans or do Arion make them now? Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter and Jan Disher Sent: 11 January 2009 06:47 Subject: Lightning-List: 2 pictures for you Jim, I found a couple of pictures. Pete D You have been sent 2 pictures. IMG_5745.JPG IMG_5682.JPG These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google. Try it out here: http://picasa.google.com/


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    Time: 05:58:25 AM PST US
    From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington@q.com>
    Subject: Re: turbulant landing
    Good morning Brian Thank you for responding. I am headed out to the airport this morning to practice various scenarios and will try your recommendations. Thanks again and have a great day. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Whittingham<mailto:dashvii@hotmail.com> To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:53 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: turbulant landing Gary, In the situation that you described I would normally use no flaps. It's really important if you have gusty conditions. I would then add speed to compensate for my lack of flaps, and add half the gust factor more. (if you have 15 Gusting 25, then add 10 knots of airspeed) I hear what some have said about floating and such and now you're adding airspeed. The flaps out on a really gusty day are going to make things ten times harder though. If you practice and plan your no flap landings the Lightning will do it just fine. Even with the extra speed you could very easily get down and stopped on a 4,000 foot long runway without upping the pucker factor too much. A few stories that I will pass on about interesting landings: Flying out of Embry-Riddle in Daytona Beach was always an interesting thing. With about 2,500 training flights a day it was one of the busiest airports in the world. It reminds me of flying out of Atlanta with 20 people on extended final flying parallel approaches into the parallel runways. We often had controllers squeeze us in between aircraft on final and shuffle us around based on how far the other aircraft were in front of us. One particular time I turned final in a Cessna 172S and we had a turbo Seneca twin in front. He was trying to speed up the Seneca that was barely in the air. He asked me to give him best forward speed. I went right to 129 knots forward speed and to my amazement our ground speed was 165 knots! The controller thanked me and asked me to slow when I closed up that gap, but also wanted to know what kind of Cessna 172 would do a 190 MPH! I know what you're thinking, why was he landing with a tailwind, but if you live on the coast in Florida you know that the winds 20 miles out, such as where final started can be completely different than the coast where you typically get a sea breeze. Another time I was in a Cessna and the guy in front of us was lingering in the air. We were on instrument approach and had been on a long night flight. We were completely visual at this point and shooting the approach for practice. Well, the controller came on and asked if we could go visual and start a climb same heading and he'd bring us back around to the FAF. I started my climb and intentionally tried to maintain the least ground speed as possible. We got about 2,000 feet down the runway and were at 1,500 feet when the controller said, "if you can get it down you're cleared to land." I told him we could if he could grant us a long landing, which he did. (10.5k long runway) I chopped the power to idle, slowed the aircraft down, and put it in a severe side slip until just before landing. We made the midfield taxiway easily. My worst time trying to get a plane on the ground was probably again, in a Cessna, when I was a Jr. in High School. It can be extremely windy, and gusty in the plains part of Arkansas where I grew up. This happens even more during winter as far as frequency, although we have recorded 100+ MPH straight line winds on multiple occassions ahead of a storm front. I took off, just fine, flew around a while, and coming back in for landing I noticed that I was hauling on downwind and it was bumpy. Turning final I was going up and down. I went around and tried again. This time, no flaps, forward speed up a little. We had winds gusting from 25-45 which was causing some great discomfort on the part of the pilot. The winds weren't straight aligned with the runway either. I got it down fine, but that was a very uncomfortable experience for a young pilot. My final story is one with a Lightning. I had been flying for several hours and saw a storm coming. I wanted to get as much time as possible in that day so I stayed up. I looked again in about 10 minutes and it was coming a lot faster than I thought. I headed towards the airport as this gust front was approaching. I entered downwind and listened to the ASOS. This was a gust front approaching and it was starting to get really rough aand the sky was turning black. I turned final and I could tell that the winds were switching on me, but I could also see lightning and start to see rain. I wanted to get down on this go if at all possible. I landed with about a 20 knot tailwind and got back to the hangar just as it started to pour. I believe that if you had your engine stop and then didn't stick the landing then you can be fine. If you want to know how, go out and get your tailwheel endorsement. Brian W. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: pennington@q.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: turbulant landing Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 06:07:29 -0700 Good morning Buz Thanks for your response. When I lifted off, winds were North at five, clear blue skies. While aloft, I was too busy trying to hold my plane in the air and upright to notice the winds shown on the EFIS. At the moment I experienced the extremely turbulent updrafts, I was abeam the numbers. That is also the time I begin to drop flaps and reduce throttle for my descent. I'm thinking that with the updrafts and flaps deployed, the lift was just too great to allow a descent. Hence, on my third attempt with no flaps, no power and pushing the nose over, I was able to descend. Mother Nature is a powerful force and she is still in charge. I was at Marana Regional Airport. 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    Time: 06:20:09 AM PST US
    From: "flylightning" <info@flylightning.net>
    Subject: newsletter survey
    Brian, There is no drift away from the experimental version of the Lightning. It still is and always will be sold as such well after SLSA certification is complete. The FAA, as many know is revising the EAB rule and instead of getting caught with our pants down mid summer with nothing to sell we decided to turn or attention to the SLSA for the time being...you can still by it as a E-LSA kit at that point too. Yes you could build yours to meet the LSA rule as a EAB but you could not take a ELSA or SLSA and modify those to exceed the rule. All of the kits are what could be considered a quick build and so kit quality is the same, as far as the build assist is concerned I cane only speak for us here in TN but I am sure my other dealers would agree, that at one time or another we will most likely fly your aircraft and would not want anything but the best quality we would expect in our own aircraft under our butts. I have no problem with flights to SNF or OSH non stop and those are nearly 4 hours. Hope this helps a bit, We want to still provide a kit everyone can build and enjoy , and with the new EAB rule looming it seemed like pursuing the LSA end for now was in the best interest of the Lightning. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Proett Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:23 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: newsletter survey Hello Lightning Discussion Group - My name is Brian Proett. I have exchanged email with a couple of you to ask a few stupid questions. I am currently living in Norway as a geologist with ExxonMobil. I have always been interested in aviation. I did my PPL training while I was going to college in 73. I am from the DC area. I flew off and on until 1980 when I bought my first house in California which took every spare cent to service the debt. I did not pick it back up until 2003. With a cruel twist of fate, about the same time I found out that I have a congenital heart valve defect that will soon need replacement. Currently I can no longer pass the medical until I have the surgery, after which I should be able to pass the medical again. So here in Norway I have no access to a LSA therefore have no access to flying. With that intro, I am currently satisfying my interest in aviation with the web and doing some passive research. Lightning is my favorite and I plan of taking on the challenge of a build when I retire in about 18 mo. I will be returning to Houston after this assignment. I am hoping that Arion Aircraft will weather the economic storm and will still be flourishing when I am ready. I caught the performance discussion a few weeks ago. I am not interested in a RG but like everyone else I am interested in performance. One direct comparison that I found about performance increase with a retract was with the Glasair SII - They quote a 10 knot increase with a RG vs FG (238 mph vs 228 mph) or about 4%. Marginal in my opinion. More questions: 1) LSA vs. Experimental. There seems to be a drift away from the emphasis on performance to LSA with a change in "Mission". What is the difference between the LSA and standard build e.g. wing, prop, engine gov? Is it possible to go back to a non LSA once it has been certified as a LSA. I am very hopeful that I will be able to pass the medical after surgery and I want the max performance that I can get. Alternatively, just go for experimental. I would like to here some comments about the future directions for the Lightning. Will future Lightnings be LSA only or will there be two aircraft. 2) Will the build quality suffer with a quick build. I want the best possible build and I am a little worried about potential short cuts that might be done to keep on schedule. On the other hand, I would like to build this plane within my lifetime with the aid of experts. 3) Ergonomics - Can one sit in a Lightning for 4 hours without cramping up? Does the Lightning have adequate back support? I am not a tall person but I do like to sit upright like you do in a German car (BMW or VW). Comments on the newsletter. It is through the news letter and Jim's build site that I became interested in the Lightning and the newsletter remains my best source of info. The newsletter is Lightnings best advertisement. I just became a member of the online discussion group only after reading the newsletters. As I am not a lightning builder/owner, therefore, have very little to contribute. What I am looking for in future newsletters is as much information as possible for a future build in say late 2010 or early 2011. I am interested in performance and problems and solutions that others have encountered to make my build as problem free as possible. I also enjoy the experiences that other owners share. I look forward to becoming part of the community once I return back to the states. -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sttwig Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 2:21 AM Subject: Lightning-List: newsletter survey Hello all, I don't know about all of you, but I really appreciate the Lightning Newsletters. Besides the Matronics list and emailing Arion it is the only contact I have with the Lightning community. I'm urging all of you to take a couple of minutes and complete the survey that Buz sent out with his announcement of the last newsletter. Buz as editor and the contributors put in a lot of time and effort to make it a worthwhile publication. No response to his survey could be construed to mean that it is not useful. I'm sure that everyone finds something of value to them in every issue, so let Buz know. I have pasted a copy of the survey here for your convenience. Send your response directly to him at n1bzrich@aol.com - Please make suggestions for future lead articles. ____________________________________________. - Note: One of my favorites was Dick Clevenger's "travel log". - Currently each issue is normally divided into the following sections: Lead article, News from the factory, News from the dealers, News from builders and flyers, Feedback from readers, Up coming events, Technical Tips, Skunk Works info, Other information, and Final thoughts. Questions - What other section should be included? ____________________________________________________________________________ _. - What section is the most useful and/or enjoyable? __________________________________________. - It the "Lightning of the Month" selection and photo a good thing? ______________________________ . - What about the past "Centerfold of the Month"? Your thoughts ________________________________. - Would you be willing to submit an article or story in the future? ________________________________. - Almost any subject or topic is OK, but Lightning related would probably be best, but not mandantory. - Other thoughts and suggestions _________________________________________________________. - Remember, I want any feedback, good or bad, and any inputs for future issues. That is the only way this newsletter is going to keep being published and be useful to the group. Remember the newsletter should be helpful and enjoyable to current, future, and potential builders and flyers. I need your help to meet that goal. Steve Sundquist Kit #48 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223791#223791


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    Time: 08:34:08 AM PST US
    From: Kayberg@AOL.COM
    Subject: 51% list
    I want to just add that the "51% LIST" is just to make the feds/DAR's job easier. If they can just look on the official list and see that a kit is listed there, then they dont have to check the builders claims as to his contribution to the build as carefully. It is actually the 49% list. The factory is selling a kit that cannot be completed in any less than a 51% effort on the part of the builder. Looking at it another way, even a kit that is 60% built by the factory and thus not on the list, can be MADE to be 51% compliant by modification. If you make a change, even it it is to remove something and then put it back, AND document it correctly, you get credit for "building" it. It is all up to your build claims and your inspector. Remember, if another manufacturer/build center can do "two weeks to taxi" AND be approved by the Feds, it is all simply an exercise in semantics and FedSpeak. Doug Koenigsberg In a message dated 1/12/2009 9:21:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, info@flylightning.net writes: There is no drift away from the experimental version of the Lightning. It still is and always will be sold as such well after SLSA certification is complete. The FAA, as many know is revising the EAB rule and instead of getting caught with our pants down mid summer with nothing to sell we decided to turn or attention to the SLSA for the time being...you can still by it as a E-LSA kit at that point too. Yes you could build yours to meet the LSA rule as a EAB but you could not take a ELSA or SLSA and modify those to exceed the rule. All of the kits are what could be considered a quick build and so kit quality is the same, as far as the build assist is concerned I cane only speak for us here in TN but I am sure my other dealers would agree, that at one time or another we will most likely fly your aircraft and would not want anything but the best quality we would expect in our own aircraft under our butts. I have no problem with flights to SNF or OSH non stop and those are nearly 4 hours. Hope this helps a bit, We want to still provide a kit everyone can build and enjoy , and with the new EAB rule looming it seemed like pursuing the LSA end for now was in the best interest of the Lightning. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC


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    Time: 08:42:35 AM PST US
    From: "Hollis Babb" <sailor@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Insurance
    Nick, Do you know of anyone that will insure the Lightning? I've just checked with Avemco and they say they do not insure that make. Thought you might have experience with who might write coverage. Thanks, Hollis -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 8:19 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: newsletter survey Brian, There is no drift away from the experimental version of the Lightning. It still is and always will be sold as such well after SLSA certification is complete. The FAA, as many know is revising the EAB rule and instead of getting caught with our pants down mid summer with nothing to sell we decided to turn or attention to the SLSA for the time being...you can still by it as a E-LSA kit at that point too. Yes you could build yours to meet the LSA rule as a EAB but you could not take a ELSA or SLSA and modify those to exceed the rule. All of the kits are what could be considered a quick build and so kit quality is the same, as far as the build assist is concerned I cane only speak for us here in TN but I am sure my other dealers would agree, that at one time or another we will most likely fly your aircraft and would not want anything but the best quality we would expect in our own aircraft under our butts. I have no problem with flights to SNF or OSH non stop and those are nearly 4 hours. Hope this helps a bit, We want to still provide a kit everyone can build and enjoy , and with the new EAB rule looming it seemed like pursuing the LSA end for now was in the best interest of the Lightning. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Proett Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:23 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: newsletter survey Hello Lightning Discussion Group - My name is Brian Proett. I have exchanged email with a couple of you to ask a few stupid questions. I am currently living in Norway as a geologist with ExxonMobil. I have always been interested in aviation. I did my PPL training while I was going to college in 73. I am from the DC area. I flew off and on until 1980 when I bought my first house in California which took every spare cent to service the debt. I did not pick it back up until 2003. With a cruel twist of fate, about the same time I found out that I have a congenital heart valve defect that will soon need replacement. Currently I can no longer pass the medical until I have the surgery, after which I should be able to pass the medical again. So here in Norway I have no access to a LSA therefore have no access to flying. With that intro, I am currently satisfying my interest in aviation with the web and doing some passive research. Lightning is my favorite and I plan of taking on the challenge of a build when I retire in about 18 mo. I will be returning to Houston after this assignment. I am hoping that Arion Aircraft will weather the economic storm and will still be flourishing when I am ready. I caught the performance discussion a few weeks ago. I am not interested in a RG but like everyone else I am interested in performance. One direct comparison that I found about performance increase with a retract was with the Glasair SII - They quote a 10 knot increase with a RG vs FG (238 mph vs 228 mph) or about 4%. Marginal in my opinion. More questions: 1) LSA vs. Experimental. There seems to be a drift away from the emphasis on performance to LSA with a change in "Mission". What is the difference between the LSA and standard build e.g. wing, prop, engine gov? Is it possible to go back to a non LSA once it has been certified as a LSA. I am very hopeful that I will be able to pass the medical after surgery and I want the max performance that I can get. Alternatively, just go for experimental. I would like to here some comments about the future directions for the Lightning. Will future Lightnings be LSA only or will there be two aircraft. 2) Will the build quality suffer with a quick build. I want the best possible build and I am a little worried about potential short cuts that might be done to keep on schedule. On the other hand, I would like to build this plane within my lifetime with the aid of experts. 3) Ergonomics - Can one sit in a Lightning for 4 hours without cramping up? Does the Lightning have adequate back support? I am not a tall person but I do like to sit upright like you do in a German car (BMW or VW). Comments on the newsletter. It is through the news letter and Jim's build site that I became interested in the Lightning and the newsletter remains my best source of info. The newsletter is Lightnings best advertisement. I just became a member of the online discussion group only after reading the newsletters. As I am not a lightning builder/owner, therefore, have very little to contribute. What I am looking for in future newsletters is as much information as possible for a future build in say late 2010 or early 2011. I am interested in performance and problems and solutions that others have encountered to make my build as problem free as possible. I also enjoy the experiences that other owners share. I look forward to becoming part of the community once I return back to the states. -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sttwig Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 2:21 AM Subject: Lightning-List: newsletter survey Hello all, I don't know about all of you, but I really appreciate the Lightning Newsletters. Besides the Matronics list and emailing Arion it is the only contact I have with the Lightning community. I'm urging all of you to take a couple of minutes and complete the survey that Buz sent out with his announcement of the last newsletter. Buz as editor and the contributors put in a lot of time and effort to make it a worthwhile publication. No response to his survey could be construed to mean that it is not useful. I'm sure that everyone finds something of value to them in every issue, so let Buz know. I have pasted a copy of the survey here for your convenience. Send your response directly to him at n1bzrich@aol.com - Please make suggestions for future lead articles. ____________________________________________. - Note: One of my favorites was Dick Clevenger's "travel log". - Currently each issue is normally divided into the following sections: Lead article, News from the factory, News from the dealers, News from builders and flyers, Feedback from readers, Up coming events, Technical Tips, Skunk Works info, Other information, and Final thoughts. Questions - What other section should be included? ____________________________________________________________________________ _. - What section is the most useful and/or enjoyable? __________________________________________. - It the "Lightning of the Month" selection and photo a good thing? ______________________________ . - What about the past "Centerfold of the Month"? Your thoughts ________________________________. - Would you be willing to submit an article or story in the future? ________________________________. - Almost any subject or topic is OK, but Lightning related would probably be best, but not mandantory. - Other thoughts and suggestions _________________________________________________________. - Remember, I want any feedback, good or bad, and any inputs for future issues. That is the only way this newsletter is going to keep being published and be useful to the group. Remember the newsletter should be helpful and enjoyable to current, future, and potential builders and flyers. I need your help to meet that goal. Steve Sundquist Kit #48 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223791#223791


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    Time: 09:04:46 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Insurance
    I thought I had heard of the Lightning being insured by Avemco, but at any rate, you should contact Bob Mackey of Falcon Insurance located in Oshkosh WI. He is the agent more familiar with Experimentals than any other Falcon agent and knows how to show an underwriter from AIG or Global that a Lightning would be a good plane to insure. Bob has arranged the insurance for about 10 or 12 Lightnings so far, including mine. Contact him at 920-230-3252. Jim! On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Hollis Babb <sailor@mindspring.com> wrote: > > > > Nick, > Do you know of anyone that will insure the Lightning? I've just checked > with Avemco and they say they do not insure that make. Thought you might > have experience with who might write coverage. > Thanks, > Hollis > >


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    Time: 09:07:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Insurance
    From: "Mefford, Walt" <walt.mefford@garmin.com>
    I had no problem getting insurance through Falcon (AIG) ________________________________ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Insurance I thought I had heard of the Lightning being insured by Avemco, but at any rate, you should contact Bob Mackey of Falcon Insurance located in Oshkosh WI. He is the agent more familiar with Experimentals than any other Falcon agent and knows how to show an underwriter from AIG or Global that a Lightning would be a good plane to insure. Bob has arranged the insurance for about 10 or 12 Lightnings so far, including mine. Contact him at 920-230-3252. Jim! On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Hollis Babb <sailor@mindspring.com> wrote: <sailor@mindspring.com> Nick, Do you know of anyone that will insure the Lightning? I've just checked with Avemco and they say they do not insure that make. Thought you might have experience with who might write coverage. Thanks, Hollis ------------------------- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation


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    Time: 09:33:48 AM PST US
    From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM
    Subject: Re: Insurance
    Hello Hollis, Jim and Walt are right, Falcon (actually in Kerrville, TX) will insure your Lightning. Although I like Avemco and have had airplanes insured with them for many years, a number of years ago (maybe 5 or so) they stopped insuring experimental aircraft. Actually they would continue to insure your experimental (my Pitts) if you had previously had it insured with them, but didn't want to take on new ones. For a while they were the "official" EAA insurer, but now that distinction goes to Falcon. So give them a call. Every Lightning that I am aware of is insured with Falcon. They seem to be more expensive (at least they are for my Cub - it is still with Avemco) but Falcon has had my Esqual insured since before it was completed. Give them a call. Blue Skies, Buz **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! cemailfooterNO62)


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    Time: 10:19:06 AM PST US
    From: Hugh Sontag <fly.lightning@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Insurance cost
    Might anyone be willing to share the amount they pay on premium for their Lightning insurance? My Tornado II is $1800/year for $27,000 hull coverage and $1,000,000 liability. Hugh Sontag


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    Time: 10:34:43 AM PST US
    From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM
    Subject: Re: Insurance cost
    Hugh, My Esqual, with Falcon, is $1575.00 for $85,000 hull and 1 million liability - I think the Lightning is about the same with Falcon. Two things really effect the rates for experimental aircraft insurance - the aircraft type's accident history and, of course pilot experience. The Esqual does not have a very good accident history (at least in the US). Initially the Lightning, being a totally new airplane, did not have any history at all. Now that more of them are flying, it should start coming down. Blue Skies, buz **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! cemailfooterNO62)


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    Time: 01:02:17 PM PST US
    From: "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" <lbmathias@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Insurance cost
    Falcon charges me $1900 for $1M liability and $100K hull coverage; it has been the same for 2 years. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Sontag" <fly.lightning@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Insurance cost > <fly.lightning@gmail.com> > > Might anyone be willing to share the amount they pay on premium for > their Lightning insurance? > > My Tornado II is $1800/year for $27,000 hull coverage and $1,000,000 > liability. > > Hugh Sontag > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 9:40 AM


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    Time: 02:33:10 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Insurance cost
    From: n5pb@aol.com
    I just began the insurance review for my Lightning. I checked EAA, APOA, AVEMCO? and AUA.? They were all about the same $2200-$2400.? I settled on Falcon. Annual Premium - $2258 1 Million liability 90K hull All risks -includes florida hurricane protection. I'm a commercial pilot with about 650 hours only.? I was also able to get a non-motion policy during the build then transfer it to a full motion policy at the time of airworthy certificate issuance. Bear -----Original Message----- From: JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS <lbmathias@verizon.net> Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 4:00 pm Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Insurance cost ? Falcon charges me $1900 for $1M liability and $100K hull coverage; it has been the same for 2 years.? ? Linda? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Sontag" <fly.lightning@gmail.com>? Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:18 PM? Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Insurance cost? ? >? > Might anyone be willing to share the amount they pay on premium for? > their Lightning insurance?? >? > My Tornado II is $1800/year for $27,000 hull coverage and $1,000,000 > liability.? >? > Hugh Sontag? >? >? >? >? ? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------? ? ? Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com? 9:40 AM? ? ? ?


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    Time: 02:50:47 PM PST US
    From: "Hollis Babb" <sailor@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Insurance cost
    Thanks to everyone for the info. I am a student pilot and last year when I was looking for liability insurance on my current airplane Avemco was the only company that would insure me, so they are the only one I had called. I will check with Falcon. Might still be a problem with my time. Hollis _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 4:29 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Insurance cost I just began the insurance review for my Lightning. I checked EAA, APOA, AVEMCO and AUA. They were all about the same $2200-$2400. I settled on Falcon. Annual Premium - $2258 1 Million liability 90K hull All risks -includes florida hurricane protection. I'm a commercial pilot with about 650 hours only. I was also able to get a non-motion policy during the build then transfer it to a full motion policy at the time of airworthy certificate issuance. Bear -----Original Message----- From: JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS <lbmathias@verizon.net> Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 4:00 pm Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Insurance cost <lbmathias@verizon.net> Falcon charges me $1900 for $1M liability and $100K hull coverage; it has been the same for 2 years. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Sontag" <fly.lightning@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Insurance cost <fly.lightning@gmail.com> > > Might anyone be willing to share the amount they pay on premium for > their Lightning insurance? > > My Tornado II is $1800/year for $27,000 hull coverage and $1,000,000 > liability. > > Hugh Sontag > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/> 9:40 AM


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    Time: 04:10:40 PM PST US
    From: IFLYSMODEL@AOL.COM
    Subject: Re: Insurance cost
    Hey Hugh: I see you have gotten several replies to your request. I insure my Lightning with AIG through an underwriter in Vancouver Washington. I do believe it makes a difference who your underwriter is as I found out many years ago when insuring my Bonanza. I am not home, so you will have to go with my memory but as I recall, I am paying approximately 1525 per year for 75,000 hull and a million liability. Lynn Nelsen In a message dated 1/12/2009 1:20:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fly.lightning@gmail.com writes: --> Lightning-List message posted by: Hugh Sontag <fly.lightning@gmail.com> Might anyone be willing to share the amount they pay on premium for their Lightning insurance? My Tornado II is $1800/year for $27,000 hull coverage and $1,000,000 liability. Hugh Sontag **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! cemailfooterNO62)


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    Time: 08:12:52 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim@gmail.com>
    Subject: RockRack by Aveo
    Has anyone used the Aveo Rockrack switches? Jim!


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    Time: 08:24:59 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim@gmail.com>
    Subject: Turbine?
    Just was reading about these guys. Interesting that SportAircraft Works is saying that they are going to be putting these in their SportCruiser? I can't believe it. http://www.n2turbines.com/index.htm Jim!


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    Time: 09:38:24 PM PST US
    From: N1BZRich@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Turbine?
    Jim, I have looked at turbines in the past, but never really got serious based on their very high expense to buy. But their relatively low weight (I could not find this one's weight) and simplicity always looked good. But several things also concern me - relatively high fuel consumption (this one is about 14.5 gallons per hour at 100 HP). Also, it is hard to even think about an engine that turns about 59,000 rpm. That prop governor must be really something to get the prop down to 3300 or less. I bet the prop is also very expensive - would probably have to be a full feathering one that would probably cost way more than a Jab engine by itself. I also wonder about that 90 degree shaft and exhaust set up. Would that be easy to get under a cowling? Oh one other thing, the way the light sport rule is currently written it has to be in internal combustion engine. That needs to change - or the future electric Sonex will have a problem. Buz **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002)


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    Time: 09:39:36 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Yee" <richard.k.yee@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Newsletter Survey
    Hello Lightning List, Regarding the newsletter, I think it is important in that it is the main source of information for the Lightning since the factory website is not updated regularly and does not provide any build information to anyone who has not purchased a kit already. The Lightning initially caught my eye from an advertisement in the EAA Sport Aviation. Since then, my primary sources of information on it has been Jim's jimslightning.com site, flylightning.net, and greenlandings.com. I followed Jim's build log all last year. I would like to see the newsletter continue to be enhanced and perhaps follow the model of the Van's RVator newsletter. I find articles on builder tips and trip logs interesting to read. It is also interesting to hear about what new things might be coming out of the factory. I find the Matronics list awkward to use. I receive the emails in digest form so I get one big email a day. It is hard to read the emails because they become so long whenever people reply to an email thread a lot. I would prefer starting up a google group, a vBulletin site, or a site such as http://www.eaa119.org (which I maintain) that consists of content management software called Drupal and the MySQL database. The nice thing about a site run by Drupal is that members can add content themselves without them having to know anything about HTML and this content can be moderated. It features a calendar, stories, and blogs. I would even offer to set up, host, and help administer the site for free (or perhaps a discount on a kit in the future). Regards, Richard Yee




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