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1. 12:32 AM - Aircraft ID (Wayne Patterson)
2. 01:21 AM - Re: Aircraft ID (selwyn)
3. 02:11 AM - Re: Re: Aircraft ID (Wayne Patterson)
4. 02:59 AM - Re: 2 pictures for you (James, Clive R)
5. 05:58 AM - Re: turbulant landing (GARY PENNINGTON)
6. 06:20 AM - Re: newsletter survey (flylightning)
7. 08:34 AM - 51% list (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
8. 08:42 AM - Insurance (Hollis Babb)
9. 09:04 AM - Re: Insurance (Jim Langley)
10. 09:07 AM - Re: Insurance (Mefford, Walt)
11. 09:33 AM - Re: Insurance (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
12. 10:19 AM - Re: Insurance cost (Hugh Sontag)
13. 10:34 AM - Re: Insurance cost (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
14. 01:02 PM - Re: Insurance cost (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS)
15. 02:33 PM - Re: Insurance cost (n5pb@aol.com)
16. 02:50 PM - Re: Insurance cost (Hollis Babb)
17. 04:10 PM - Re: Insurance cost (IFLYSMODEL@AOL.COM)
18. 08:12 PM - RockRack by Aveo (Jim Langley)
19. 08:24 PM - Turbine? (Jim Langley)
20. 09:38 PM - Re: Turbine? (N1BZRich@aol.com)
21. 09:39 PM - Re: Newsletter Survey (Richard Yee)
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My brother-in-law (a San Diego lad) took this picture in Malawi
yesterday. It is the aircraft the company is considering as their new
corporate ride. My reference books are out of date so were no use to me
in identifying it for him. Any ideas????
Cheers from Perth Australia
Wayne P
(Kit #65)
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Beech 1900D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_1900
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Cheers, Selwyn
Kit 66
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Thank you Seal .......
Wayne P
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:21 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Aircraft ID
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Beech 1900D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_1900
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Cheers, Selwyn
Kit 66
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Subject: | 2 pictures for you |
That's great thanks Jim, things are moving forward with the Esqual and
if, big if, I get the UK permit I'll be continuing to 'clean her up' !
Should know within the next month, just stall strips to fit.
Regards, Clive
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Langley
Sent: 11 January 2009 23:45
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: 2 pictures for you
--> <pequeajim@gmail.com>
Thanks Clive:
I got them from this guy: http://www.fairings-etc.com/home.htm
I believe we bought the ones for the RV-9, but if you talk to Bob and
tell him you want the same ones that he sold Jim Langley for Green
Landings, he will get you the correct version. They are very simple to
install.
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James,
Clive R
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:48 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: 2 pictures for you
<clive.james@uk.bp.com>
Jim, these look very neat. Where do you get the spats(pants) and
fairings from? Vans or do Arion make them now?
Regards, Clive
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
and Jan Disher
Sent: 11 January 2009 06:47
Subject: Lightning-List: 2 pictures for you
Jim, I found a couple of pictures.
Pete D
You have been sent 2 pictures.
IMG_5745.JPG
IMG_5682.JPG
These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google.
Try it out here: http://picasa.google.com/
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Subject: | Re: turbulant landing |
Good morning Brian
Thank you for responding. I am headed out to the airport this morning to
practice various scenarios and will try your recommendations.
Thanks again and have a great day.
Gary Pennington
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From: Brian Whittingham<mailto:dashvii@hotmail.com>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: turbulant landing
Gary,
In the situation that you described I would normally use no flaps.
It's really important if you have gusty conditions. I would then add
speed to compensate for my lack of flaps, and add half the gust factor
more. (if you have 15 Gusting 25, then add 10 knots of airspeed) I
hear what some have said about floating and such and now you're adding
airspeed. The flaps out on a really gusty day are going to make things
ten times harder though. If you practice and plan your no flap landings
the Lightning will do it just fine. Even with the extra speed you could
very easily get down and stopped on a 4,000 foot long runway without
upping the pucker factor too much.
A few stories that I will pass on about interesting landings:
Flying out of Embry-Riddle in Daytona Beach was always an interesting
thing. With about 2,500 training flights a day it was one of the
busiest airports in the world. It reminds me of flying out of Atlanta
with 20 people on extended final flying parallel approaches into the
parallel runways. We often had controllers squeeze us in between
aircraft on final and shuffle us around based on how far the other
aircraft were in front of us. One particular time I turned final in a
Cessna 172S and we had a turbo Seneca twin in front. He was trying to
speed up the Seneca that was barely in the air. He asked me to give him
best forward speed. I went right to 129 knots forward speed and to my
amazement our ground speed was 165 knots! The controller thanked me and
asked me to slow when I closed up that gap, but also wanted to know what
kind of Cessna 172 would do a 190 MPH! I know what you're thinking, why
was he landing with a tailwind, but if you live on the coast in Florida
you know that the winds 20 miles out, such as where final started can be
completely different than the coast where you typically get a sea
breeze.
Another time I was in a Cessna and the guy in front of us was
lingering in the air. We were on instrument approach and had been on a
long night flight. We were completely visual at this point and shooting
the approach for practice. Well, the controller came on and asked if we
could go visual and start a climb same heading and he'd bring us back
around to the FAF. I started my climb and intentionally tried to
maintain the least ground speed as possible. We got about 2,000 feet
down the runway and were at 1,500 feet when the controller said, "if you
can get it down you're cleared to land." I told him we could if he
could grant us a long landing, which he did. (10.5k long runway) I
chopped the power to idle, slowed the aircraft down, and put it in a
severe side slip until just before landing. We made the midfield
taxiway easily.
My worst time trying to get a plane on the ground was probably again,
in a Cessna, when I was a Jr. in High School. It can be extremely
windy, and gusty in the plains part of Arkansas where I grew up. This
happens even more during winter as far as frequency, although we have
recorded 100+ MPH straight line winds on multiple occassions ahead of a
storm front. I took off, just fine, flew around a while, and coming
back in for landing I noticed that I was hauling on downwind and it was
bumpy. Turning final I was going up and down. I went around and tried
again. This time, no flaps, forward speed up a little. We had winds
gusting from 25-45 which was causing some great discomfort on the part
of the pilot. The winds weren't straight aligned with the runway
either. I got it down fine, but that was a very uncomfortable
experience for a young pilot.
My final story is one with a Lightning. I had been flying for several
hours and saw a storm coming. I wanted to get as much time as possible
in that day so I stayed up. I looked again in about 10 minutes and it
was coming a lot faster than I thought. I headed towards the airport as
this gust front was approaching. I entered downwind and listened to the
ASOS. This was a gust front approaching and it was starting to get
really rough aand the sky was turning black. I turned final and I could
tell that the winds were switching on me, but I could also see lightning
and start to see rain. I wanted to get down on this go if at all
possible. I landed with about a 20 knot tailwind and got back to the
hangar just as it started to pour.
I believe that if you had your engine stop and then didn't stick the
landing then you can be fine. If you want to know how, go out and get
your tailwheel endorsement. Brian W.
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From: pennington@q.com
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: turbulant landing
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 06:07:29 -0700
Good morning Buz
Thanks for your response.
When I lifted off, winds were North at five, clear blue skies. While
aloft, I was too busy trying to hold my plane in the air and upright to
notice the winds shown on the EFIS. At the moment I experienced the
extremely turbulent updrafts, I was abeam the numbers. That is also the
time I begin to drop flaps and reduce throttle for my descent. I'm
thinking that with the updrafts and flaps deployed, the lift was just
too great to allow a descent. Hence, on my third attempt with no flaps,
no power and pushing the nose over, I was able to descend. Mother Nature
is a powerful force and she is still in charge. I was at Marana Regional
Airport.
Have a great day.
Gary
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To:
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Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 2:32 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: turbulant landing
Gary,
What were the actual winds? Degrees off the runway, variable
heading, gust factor, etc. Which airport in Tucson were you using?
Hey, overall you did a good job. You knew to go around when things
didn't look good and you finally got it down safely. Who cares what it
looked like it nothing got bent.
Buz
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Subject: | newsletter survey |
Brian,
There is no drift away from the experimental version of the Lightning. It
still is and always will be sold as such well after SLSA certification is
complete. The FAA, as many know is revising the EAB rule and instead of
getting caught with our pants down mid summer with nothing to sell we
decided to turn or attention to the SLSA for the time being...you can still
by it as a E-LSA kit at that point too. Yes you could build yours to meet
the LSA rule as a EAB but you could not take a ELSA or SLSA and modify those
to exceed the rule. All of the kits are what could be considered a quick
build and so kit quality is the same, as far as the build assist is
concerned I cane only speak for us here in TN but I am sure my other dealers
would agree, that at one time or another we will most likely fly your
aircraft and would not want anything but the best quality we would expect in
our own aircraft under our butts. I have no problem with flights to SNF or
OSH non stop and those are nearly 4 hours. Hope this helps a bit, We want to
still provide a kit everyone can build and enjoy , and with the new EAB rule
looming it seemed like pursuing the LSA end for now was in the best interest
of the Lightning.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Proett
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:23 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: newsletter survey
Hello Lightning Discussion Group -
My name is Brian Proett. I have exchanged email with a couple of you to ask
a few stupid questions. I am currently living in Norway as a geologist with
ExxonMobil. I have always been interested in aviation. I did my PPL
training while I was going to college in 73. I am from the DC area. I flew
off and on until 1980 when I bought my first house in California which took
every spare cent to service the debt. I did not pick it back up until 2003.
With a cruel twist of fate, about the same time I found out that I have a
congenital heart valve defect that will soon need replacement. Currently I
can no longer pass the medical until I have the surgery, after which I
should be able to pass the medical again. So here in Norway I have no
access to a LSA therefore have no access to flying.
With that intro, I am currently satisfying my interest in aviation with the
web and doing some passive research. Lightning is my favorite and I plan of
taking on the challenge of a build when I retire in about 18 mo. I will be
returning to Houston after this assignment. I am hoping that Arion
Aircraft will weather the economic storm and will still be flourishing when
I am ready.
I caught the performance discussion a few weeks ago. I am not interested in
a RG but like everyone else I am interested in performance. One direct
comparison that I found about performance increase with a retract was with
the Glasair SII - They quote a 10 knot increase with a RG vs FG (238 mph
vs 228 mph) or about 4%. Marginal in my opinion.
More questions:
1) LSA vs. Experimental. There seems to be a drift away from the
emphasis on performance to LSA with a change in "Mission". What is the
difference between the LSA and standard build e.g. wing, prop, engine gov?
Is it possible to go back to a non LSA once it has been certified as a LSA.
I am very hopeful that I will be able to pass the medical after surgery and
I want the max performance that I can get. Alternatively, just go for
experimental. I would like to here some comments about the future
directions for the Lightning. Will future Lightnings be LSA only or will
there be two aircraft.
2) Will the build quality suffer with a quick build. I want the best
possible build and I am a little worried about potential short cuts that
might be done to keep on schedule. On the other hand, I would like to build
this plane within my lifetime with the aid of experts.
3) Ergonomics - Can one sit in a Lightning for 4 hours without cramping
up? Does the Lightning have adequate back support? I am not a tall person
but I do like to sit upright like you do in a German car (BMW or VW).
Comments on the newsletter. It is through the news letter and Jim's build
site that I became interested in the Lightning and the newsletter remains my
best source of info. The newsletter is Lightnings best advertisement. I
just became a member of the online discussion group only after reading the
newsletters. As I am not a lightning builder/owner, therefore, have very
little to contribute. What I am looking for in future newsletters is as
much information as possible for a future build in say late 2010 or early
2011. I am interested in performance and problems and solutions that others
have encountered to make my build as problem free as possible. I also
enjoy the experiences that other owners share. I look forward to becoming
part of the community once I return back to the states.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sttwig
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 2:21 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: newsletter survey
Hello all,
I don't know about all of you, but I really appreciate the Lightning
Newsletters. Besides the Matronics list and emailing Arion it is the only
contact I have with the Lightning community. I'm urging all of you to take
a couple of minutes and complete the survey that Buz sent out with his
announcement of the last newsletter. Buz as editor and the contributors put
in a lot of time and effort to make it a worthwhile publication. No
response to his survey could be construed to mean that it is not useful.
I'm sure that everyone finds something of value to them in every issue, so
let Buz know. I have pasted a copy of the survey here for your convenience.
Send your response directly to him at n1bzrich@aol.com
- Please make suggestions for future lead articles.
____________________________________________.
- Note: One of my favorites was Dick Clevenger's "travel log".
- Currently each issue is normally divided into the following sections: Lead
article, News from the factory, News from the dealers, News from builders
and flyers, Feedback from readers, Up coming events, Technical Tips, Skunk
Works info, Other information, and Final thoughts. Questions - What other
section should be included?
____________________________________________________________________________
_.
- What section is the most useful and/or enjoyable?
__________________________________________.
- It the "Lightning of the Month" selection and photo a good thing?
______________________________ .
- What about the past "Centerfold of the Month"? Your thoughts
________________________________.
- Would you be willing to submit an article or story in the future?
________________________________.
- Almost any subject or topic is OK, but Lightning related would probably be
best, but not mandantory.
- Other thoughts and suggestions
_________________________________________________________.
- Remember, I want any feedback, good or bad, and any inputs for future
issues. That is the only way this newsletter is going to keep being
published and be useful to the group. Remember the newsletter should be
helpful and enjoyable to current, future, and potential builders and flyers.
I need your help to meet that goal.
Steve Sundquist
Kit #48
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I want to just add that the "51% LIST" is just to make the feds/DAR's job
easier. If they can just look on the official list and see that a kit is
listed there, then they dont have to check the builders claims as to his
contribution to the build as carefully. It is actually the 49% list. The factory
is
selling a kit that cannot be completed in any less than a 51% effort on the
part of the builder.
Looking at it another way, even a kit that is 60% built by the factory and
thus not on the list, can be MADE to be 51% compliant by modification. If
you make a change, even it it is to remove something and then put it back, AND
document it correctly, you get credit for "building" it. It is all up to
your build claims and your inspector.
Remember, if another manufacturer/build center can do "two weeks to taxi"
AND be approved by the Feds, it is all simply an exercise in semantics and
FedSpeak.
Doug Koenigsberg
In a message dated 1/12/2009 9:21:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
info@flylightning.net writes:
There is no drift away from the experimental version of the Lightning. It
still is and always will be sold as such well after SLSA certification is
complete. The FAA, as many know is revising the EAB rule and instead of
getting caught with our pants down mid summer with nothing to sell we
decided to turn or attention to the SLSA for the time being...you can still
by it as a E-LSA kit at that point too. Yes you could build yours to meet
the LSA rule as a EAB but you could not take a ELSA or SLSA and modify those
to exceed the rule. All of the kits are what could be considered a quick
build and so kit quality is the same, as far as the build assist is
concerned I cane only speak for us here in TN but I am sure my other dealers
would agree, that at one time or another we will most likely fly your
aircraft and would not want anything but the best quality we would expect in
our own aircraft under our butts. I have no problem with flights to SNF or
OSH non stop and those are nearly 4 hours. Hope this helps a bit, We want to
still provide a kit everyone can build and enjoy , and with the new EAB rule
looming it seemed like pursuing the LSA end for now was in the best interest
of the Lightning.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
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Nick,
Do you know of anyone that will insure the Lightning? I've just checked
with Avemco and they say they do not insure that make. Thought you might
have experience with who might write coverage.
Thanks,
Hollis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 8:19 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: newsletter survey
Brian,
There is no drift away from the experimental version of the Lightning. It
still is and always will be sold as such well after SLSA certification is
complete. The FAA, as many know is revising the EAB rule and instead of
getting caught with our pants down mid summer with nothing to sell we
decided to turn or attention to the SLSA for the time being...you can still
by it as a E-LSA kit at that point too. Yes you could build yours to meet
the LSA rule as a EAB but you could not take a ELSA or SLSA and modify those
to exceed the rule. All of the kits are what could be considered a quick
build and so kit quality is the same, as far as the build assist is
concerned I cane only speak for us here in TN but I am sure my other dealers
would agree, that at one time or another we will most likely fly your
aircraft and would not want anything but the best quality we would expect in
our own aircraft under our butts. I have no problem with flights to SNF or
OSH non stop and those are nearly 4 hours. Hope this helps a bit, We want to
still provide a kit everyone can build and enjoy , and with the new EAB rule
looming it seemed like pursuing the LSA end for now was in the best interest
of the Lightning.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Proett
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:23 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: newsletter survey
Hello Lightning Discussion Group -
My name is Brian Proett. I have exchanged email with a couple of you to ask
a few stupid questions. I am currently living in Norway as a geologist with
ExxonMobil. I have always been interested in aviation. I did my PPL
training while I was going to college in 73. I am from the DC area. I flew
off and on until 1980 when I bought my first house in California which took
every spare cent to service the debt. I did not pick it back up until 2003.
With a cruel twist of fate, about the same time I found out that I have a
congenital heart valve defect that will soon need replacement. Currently I
can no longer pass the medical until I have the surgery, after which I
should be able to pass the medical again. So here in Norway I have no
access to a LSA therefore have no access to flying.
With that intro, I am currently satisfying my interest in aviation with the
web and doing some passive research. Lightning is my favorite and I plan of
taking on the challenge of a build when I retire in about 18 mo. I will be
returning to Houston after this assignment. I am hoping that Arion
Aircraft will weather the economic storm and will still be flourishing when
I am ready.
I caught the performance discussion a few weeks ago. I am not interested in
a RG but like everyone else I am interested in performance. One direct
comparison that I found about performance increase with a retract was with
the Glasair SII - They quote a 10 knot increase with a RG vs FG (238 mph
vs 228 mph) or about 4%. Marginal in my opinion.
More questions:
1) LSA vs. Experimental. There seems to be a drift away from the
emphasis on performance to LSA with a change in "Mission". What is the
difference between the LSA and standard build e.g. wing, prop, engine gov?
Is it possible to go back to a non LSA once it has been certified as a LSA.
I am very hopeful that I will be able to pass the medical after surgery and
I want the max performance that I can get. Alternatively, just go for
experimental. I would like to here some comments about the future
directions for the Lightning. Will future Lightnings be LSA only or will
there be two aircraft.
2) Will the build quality suffer with a quick build. I want the best
possible build and I am a little worried about potential short cuts that
might be done to keep on schedule. On the other hand, I would like to build
this plane within my lifetime with the aid of experts.
3) Ergonomics - Can one sit in a Lightning for 4 hours without cramping
up? Does the Lightning have adequate back support? I am not a tall person
but I do like to sit upright like you do in a German car (BMW or VW).
Comments on the newsletter. It is through the news letter and Jim's build
site that I became interested in the Lightning and the newsletter remains my
best source of info. The newsletter is Lightnings best advertisement. I
just became a member of the online discussion group only after reading the
newsletters. As I am not a lightning builder/owner, therefore, have very
little to contribute. What I am looking for in future newsletters is as
much information as possible for a future build in say late 2010 or early
2011. I am interested in performance and problems and solutions that others
have encountered to make my build as problem free as possible. I also
enjoy the experiences that other owners share. I look forward to becoming
part of the community once I return back to the states.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sttwig
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 2:21 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: newsletter survey
Hello all,
I don't know about all of you, but I really appreciate the Lightning
Newsletters. Besides the Matronics list and emailing Arion it is the only
contact I have with the Lightning community. I'm urging all of you to take
a couple of minutes and complete the survey that Buz sent out with his
announcement of the last newsletter. Buz as editor and the contributors put
in a lot of time and effort to make it a worthwhile publication. No
response to his survey could be construed to mean that it is not useful.
I'm sure that everyone finds something of value to them in every issue, so
let Buz know. I have pasted a copy of the survey here for your convenience.
Send your response directly to him at n1bzrich@aol.com
- Please make suggestions for future lead articles.
____________________________________________.
- Note: One of my favorites was Dick Clevenger's "travel log".
- Currently each issue is normally divided into the following sections: Lead
article, News from the factory, News from the dealers, News from builders
and flyers, Feedback from readers, Up coming events, Technical Tips, Skunk
Works info, Other information, and Final thoughts. Questions - What other
section should be included?
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I thought I had heard of the Lightning being insured by Avemco, but at any
rate, you should contact Bob Mackey of Falcon Insurance located in Oshkosh
WI. He is the agent more familiar with Experimentals than any other Falcon
agent and knows how to show an underwriter from AIG or Global that a
Lightning would be a good plane to insure. Bob has arranged the insurance
for about 10 or 12 Lightnings so far, including mine. Contact him at
920-230-3252.
Jim!
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Hollis Babb <sailor@mindspring.com> wrote:
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>
> Nick,
> Do you know of anyone that will insure the Lightning? I've just checked
> with Avemco and they say they do not insure that make. Thought you might
> have experience with who might write coverage.
> Thanks,
> Hollis
>
>
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I had no problem getting insurance through Falcon (AIG)
________________________________
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Langley
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Insurance
I thought I had heard of the Lightning being insured by Avemco, but at
any rate, you should contact Bob Mackey of Falcon Insurance located in
Oshkosh WI. He is the agent more familiar with Experimentals than any
other Falcon agent and knows how to show an underwriter from AIG or
Global that a Lightning would be a good plane to insure. Bob has
arranged the insurance for about 10 or 12 Lightnings so far, including
mine. Contact him at 920-230-3252.
Jim!
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Hollis Babb <sailor@mindspring.com>
wrote:
<sailor@mindspring.com>
Nick,
Do you know of anyone that will insure the Lightning? I've just checked
with Avemco and they say they do not insure that make. Thought you
might
have experience with who might write coverage.
Thanks,
Hollis
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Hello Hollis,
Jim and Walt are right, Falcon (actually in Kerrville, TX) will insure
your Lightning. Although I like Avemco and have had airplanes insured with
them for many years, a number of years ago (maybe 5 or so) they stopped
insuring experimental aircraft. Actually they would continue to insure your
experimental (my Pitts) if you had previously had it insured with them, but didn't
want to take on new ones. For a while they were the "official" EAA insurer,
but now that distinction goes to Falcon. So give them a call. Every
Lightning that I am aware of is insured with Falcon. They seem to be more expensive
(at least they are for my Cub - it is still with Avemco) but Falcon has had
my Esqual insured since before it was completed. Give them a call.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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Subject: | Re: Insurance cost |
Might anyone be willing to share the amount they pay on premium for
their Lightning insurance?
My Tornado II is $1800/year for $27,000 hull coverage and $1,000,000 liability.
Hugh Sontag
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Subject: | Re: Insurance cost |
Hugh,
My Esqual, with Falcon, is $1575.00 for $85,000 hull and 1 million
liability - I think the Lightning is about the same with Falcon. Two things
really effect the rates for experimental aircraft insurance - the aircraft type's
accident history and, of course pilot experience. The Esqual does not have a
very good accident history (at least in the US). Initially the Lightning,
being a totally new airplane, did not have any history at all. Now that
more of them are flying, it should start coming down.
Blue Skies,
buz
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Subject: | Re: Insurance cost |
Falcon charges me $1900 for $1M liability and $100K hull coverage; it has
been the same for 2 years.
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hugh Sontag" <fly.lightning@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Insurance cost
> <fly.lightning@gmail.com>
>
> Might anyone be willing to share the amount they pay on premium for
> their Lightning insurance?
>
> My Tornado II is $1800/year for $27,000 hull coverage and $1,000,000
> liability.
>
> Hugh Sontag
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Insurance cost |
I just began the insurance review for my Lightning.
I checked EAA, APOA, AVEMCO? and AUA.? They were all about the same $2200-$2400.?
I settled on Falcon.
Annual Premium - $2258
1 Million liability
90K hull
All risks -includes florida hurricane protection.
I'm a commercial pilot with about 650 hours only.?
I was also able to get a non-motion policy during the build then transfer it to
a full motion policy at the time of airworthy certificate issuance.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS <lbmathias@verizon.net>
Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 4:00 pm
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Insurance cost
?
Falcon charges me $1900 for $1M liability and $100K hull coverage; it has been
the same for 2 years.?
?
Linda?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Sontag" <fly.lightning@gmail.com>?
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:18 PM?
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Insurance cost?
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>?
> Might anyone be willing to share the amount they pay on premium for?
> their Lightning insurance??
>?
> My Tornado II is $1800/year for $27,000 hull coverage and $1,000,000 > liability.?
>?
> Hugh Sontag?
>?
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Thanks to everyone for the info. I am a student pilot and last year when I
was looking for liability insurance on my current airplane Avemco was the
only company that would insure me, so they are the only one I had called.
I will check with Falcon. Might still be a problem with my time.
Hollis
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Insurance cost
I just began the insurance review for my Lightning.
I checked EAA, APOA, AVEMCO and AUA. They were all about the same
$2200-$2400. I settled on Falcon.
Annual Premium - $2258
1 Million liability
90K hull
All risks -includes florida hurricane protection.
I'm a commercial pilot with about 650 hours only.
I was also able to get a non-motion policy during the build then transfer it
to a full motion policy at the time of airworthy certificate issuance.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS <lbmathias@verizon.net>
Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 4:00 pm
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Insurance cost
<lbmathias@verizon.net>
Falcon charges me $1900 for $1M liability and $100K hull coverage; it has
been the same for 2 years.
Linda
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Sontag" <fly.lightning@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Insurance cost
<fly.lightning@gmail.com>
>
> Might anyone be willing to share the amount they pay on premium for
> their Lightning insurance?
>
> My Tornado II is $1800/year for $27,000 hull coverage and $1,000,000 >
liability.
>
> Hugh Sontag
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Insurance cost |
Hey Hugh: I see you have gotten several replies to your request. I insure my
Lightning with AIG through an underwriter in Vancouver Washington. I do
believe it makes a difference who your underwriter is as I found out many years
ago when insuring my Bonanza. I am not home, so you will have to go with my
memory but as I recall, I am paying approximately 1525 per year for 75,000 hull
and a million liability.
Lynn Nelsen
In a message dated 1/12/2009 1:20:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
fly.lightning@gmail.com writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: Hugh Sontag <fly.lightning@gmail.com>
Might anyone be willing to share the amount they pay on premium for
their Lightning insurance?
My Tornado II is $1800/year for $27,000 hull coverage and $1,000,000
liability.
Hugh Sontag
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
steps!
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Subject: | RockRack by Aveo |
Has anyone used the Aveo Rockrack switches?
Jim!
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Just was reading about these guys. Interesting that SportAircraft Works is
saying that they are going to be putting these in their SportCruiser?
I can't believe it.
http://www.n2turbines.com/index.htm
Jim!
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Jim,
I have looked at turbines in the past, but never really got serious
based on their very high expense to buy. But their relatively low weight (I
could not find this one's weight) and simplicity always looked good. But several
things also concern me - relatively high fuel consumption (this one is about
14.5 gallons per hour at 100 HP). Also, it is hard to even think about an
engine that turns about 59,000 rpm. That prop governor must be really
something to get the prop down to 3300 or less. I bet the prop is also very
expensive - would probably have to be a full feathering one that would probably
cost
way more than a Jab engine by itself. I also wonder about that 90 degree
shaft and exhaust set up. Would that be easy to get under a cowling? Oh one
other thing, the way the light sport rule is currently written it has to be in
internal combustion engine. That needs to change - or the future electric
Sonex will have a problem.
Buz
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Subject: | Re: Newsletter Survey |
Hello Lightning List,
Regarding the newsletter, I think it is important in that it is the
main source of information for the Lightning since the factory website
is not updated regularly and does not provide any build information to
anyone who has not purchased a kit already. The Lightning initially
caught my eye from an advertisement in the EAA Sport Aviation. Since
then, my primary sources of information on it has been Jim's
jimslightning.com site, flylightning.net, and greenlandings.com. I
followed Jim's build log all last year. I would like to see the
newsletter continue to be enhanced and perhaps follow the model of the
Van's RVator newsletter.
I find articles on builder tips and trip logs interesting to read. It
is also interesting to hear about what new things might be coming out
of the factory.
I find the Matronics list awkward to use. I receive the emails in
digest form so I get one big email a day. It is hard to read the
emails because they become so long whenever people reply to an email
thread a lot. I would prefer starting up a google group, a vBulletin
site, or a site such as http://www.eaa119.org (which I maintain) that
consists of content management software called Drupal and the MySQL
database. The nice thing about a site run by Drupal is that members
can add content themselves without them having to know anything about
HTML and this content can be moderated. It features a calendar,
stories, and blogs. I would even offer to set up, host, and help
administer the site for free (or perhaps a discount on a kit in the
future).
Regards,
Richard Yee
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