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1. 04:46 AM - Re: Turbine? (Jim Langley)
2. 05:00 AM - Re: Turbine? (MCPC)
3. 06:07 AM - Re: Turbine? (flylightning)
4. 06:07 AM - Re: Turbine? (flylightning)
5. 06:08 AM - Re: Re: Newsletter Survey (flylightning)
6. 12:20 PM - turbine (AVN100@aol.com)
7. 05:29 PM - leg fairings (Tex Mantell)
8. 07:03 PM - Re: leg fairings (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
9. 08:11 PM - Re: leg fairings (Jim Langley)
10. 11:06 PM - Off Topic - Gorgeous flight! (Benjamin Smith)
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Good points Buz, I also wondered about the cost and size. The high RPM does
not bother me so much as Turbines typically have a longer lifespan between
overhauls than internal combustion engines, but then I looked at the fuel
consumption, and thought that I really didn't want to just fly for and hour
and a half.
But I could fly really high! Grin.
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Turbine?
Jim,
I have looked at turbines in the past, but never really got serious
based on their very high expense to buy. But their relatively low weight (I
could not find this one's weight) and simplicity always looked good. But
several things also concern me - relatively high fuel consumption (this one
is about 14.5 gallons per hour at 100 HP). Also, it is hard to even think
about an engine that turns about 59,000 rpm. That prop governor must be
really something to get the prop down to 3300 or less. I bet the prop is
also very expensive - would probably have to be a full feathering one that
would probably cost way more than a Jab engine by itself. I also wonder
about that 90 degree shaft and exhaust set up. Would that be easy to get
under a cowling? Oh one other thing, the way the light sport rule is
currently written it has to be in internal combustion engine. That needs to
change - or the future electric Sonex will have a problem.
Buz
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I have a better solution which is already previously wrote. Diesel engine:
http://www.ppdgemini.com/_PDF/Product_Range_B&W_6-08.pdf ,
http://www.ppdgemini.com/_PDF/Weight_Comparison_6-08_B&W.pdf
Roman
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From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Turbine?
> Good points Buz, I also wondered about the cost and size. The high RPM does
> not bother me so much as Turbines typically have a longer lifespan between
> overhauls than internal combustion engines, but then I looked at the fuel
> consumption, and thought that I really didn't want to just fly for and hour
> and a half.
>
>
> But I could fly really high! Grin.
>
>
> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> N1BZRich@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:37 AM
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Turbine?
>
>
> Jim,
>
> I have looked at turbines in the past, but never really got serious
> based on their very high expense to buy. But their relatively low weight (I
> could not find this one's weight) and simplicity always looked good. But
> several things also concern me - relatively high fuel consumption (this one
> is about 14.5 gallons per hour at 100 HP). Also, it is hard to even think
> about an engine that turns about 59,000 rpm. That prop governor must be
> really something to get the prop down to 3300 or less. I bet the prop is
> also very expensive - would probably have to be a full feathering one that
> would probably cost way more than a Jab engine by itself. I also wonder
> about that 90 degree shaft and exhaust set up. Would that be easy to get
> under a cowling? Oh one other thing, the way the light sport rule is
> currently written it has to be in internal combustion engine. That needs to
> change - or the future electric Sonex will have a problem.
>
> Buz
>
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Well, I will believe it when they actually start offering the jabiru in the
sport cruiser as they said they would 2 years ago. It may take much more
time to figure out a turbine.
nick
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:24 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Turbine?
Just was reading about these guys. Interesting that SportAircraft Works is
saying that they are going to be putting these in their SportCruiser?
I can't believe it.
http://www.n2turbines.com/index.htm
Jim!
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Also no in flight or constant speed props in LSA
nick
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Turbine?
Jim,
I have looked at turbines in the past, but never really got serious
based on their very high expense to buy. But their relatively low weight (I
could not find this one's weight) and simplicity always looked good. But
several things also concern me - relatively high fuel consumption (this one
is about 14.5 gallons per hour at 100 HP). Also, it is hard to even think
about an engine that turns about 59,000 rpm. That prop governor must be
really something to get the prop down to 3300 or less. I bet the prop is
also very expensive - would probably have to be a full feathering one that
would probably cost way more than a Jab engine by itself. I also wonder
about that 90 degree shaft and exhaust set up. Would that be easy to get
under a cowling? Oh one other thing, the way the light sport rule is
currently written it has to be in internal combustion engine. That needs to
change - or the future electric Sonex will have a problem.
Buz
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Subject: | Re: Newsletter Survey |
You are welcome to check out www.flylightning.net/Owners.htm and take a look
at the build manual.
Nick
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Yee
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:38 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Newsletter Survey
<richard.k.yee@gmail.com>
Hello Lightning List,
Regarding the newsletter, I think it is important in that it is the
main source of information for the Lightning since the factory website
is not updated regularly and does not provide any build information to
anyone who has not purchased a kit already. The Lightning initially
caught my eye from an advertisement in the EAA Sport Aviation. Since
then, my primary sources of information on it has been Jim's
jimslightning.com site, flylightning.net, and greenlandings.com. I
followed Jim's build log all last year. I would like to see the
newsletter continue to be enhanced and perhaps follow the model of the
Van's RVator newsletter.
I find articles on builder tips and trip logs interesting to read. It
is also interesting to hear about what new things might be coming out
of the factory.
I find the Matronics list awkward to use. I receive the emails in
digest form so I get one big email a day. It is hard to read the
emails because they become so long whenever people reply to an email
thread a lot. I would prefer starting up a google group, a vBulletin
site, or a site such as http://www.eaa119.org (which I maintain) that
consists of content management software called Drupal and the MySQL
database. The nice thing about a site run by Drupal is that members
can add content themselves without them having to know anything about
HTML and this content can be moderated. It features a calendar,
stories, and blogs. I would even offer to set up, host, and help
administer the site for free (or perhaps a discount on a kit in the
future).
Regards,
Richard Yee
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First, Ref Richard Yee's complaint about the awkward forum format. Couldn't
agree with you more. Mattronics is a charming, one guy operation and
personal anachronism. The clunky steam engine of on line forums. Yahoo hosts
the
easiest and most flexible user group forums which generate no spam but the
Arion guys have some kinda personal beef against them and refuse to support any
Yahoo Lightning group.
Now Ref Jim Langley being skeptical of a turboprop Sport Cruiser. Couldn't
agree with you more. And with good reason not just personal preference as
above.
First is airframe quality. Simplest insight? Compare Vne of
_Lightning@208mph_ (mailto:Lightning@208mph) with Vne of _SC@160mph_ (mailto:SC@160mph)
suggesting Lightning is 25% stronger if properly assembled.
Second is company track record. Manufacturer CZAW is notorious for
deceptive marketing and false delivery promises on the SC. Last year it was and
possibly still is under bankruptcy pressure.
These turboprop sport cruiser guys were/are their US arm (Sport Aircraft
Works aka WetAero aka N2Turbines) . Danny took hundreds of deposits on the
Mermaid Sport Amphibian, then flip flopped for four years doing his own backyard
R&D on Rotax vs Jabiru power. In all this time after all the show
appearances with pretty Czech girls and endless promises, he has delivered exactly
one
Mermaid while promising "four more are 85% complete" and in his marketing
having the balls to diss likely delivery dates of competing SLSA amphibs. With
creation of WetAero, Mermaid price increased from $75,000 to $175,000
loaded. While claiming it will now be US made, their website price list adds
$4225
for customs clearance and shipping. You pays your money - you takes your
chances. IMHO they are and always have been, like Jim Bede, charming and
well-intentioned folks but ludicrously overextended and unreliable.
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Has anyone got directions for the leg fairings? Tex
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Subject: | Re: leg fairings |
In a message dated 1/13/2009 8:30:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
wb2ssj@frontiernet.net writes:
Has anyone got directions for the leg fairings? Tex
The wider end goes at the top. ;-)
Buz
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First rule is to create a template out of cardboard. You want to use the
wide part at the top. Cut on the small side.
I went through two cardboard templates before I got the cardboard cutout
right. Then I wrapped the cardboard around the fairing and transferred the
cutout with a black marker. I cut larger and trimmed it down to fit with a
dremmel.
I guess my RC days come into play here, but mine fits like a glove.
Put some rubber edging around the top of the fairing so it doesn't scratch
the paint.
Use the hinge method described by Arion. I thought I would be able to
secure the fairing with Velcro, but the Velcro is not strong enough to hold
the ends together. Now I am going to have to go back and repaint them
unless I come up with something else.
Use the hinge.
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:25 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: leg fairings
Has anyone got directions for the leg fairings? Tex
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Subject: | Off Topic - Gorgeous flight! |
The other day I took two of my sons out for a 1.5 hour flight in a rental
plane just for some sight-seeing.
It was late in the day, smoke/haze on the ground, otherwise a beautiful day.
We took off, and after climbing 500 ft, busted through the haze into
gorgeously clean, cool air. Visibility was unlimited, snow-capped mountains
200 miles away were crystal clear. A thin, wispy blanket of smoke and fog
below made the distant mountains stand out that much more, off in the
distance.
Traffic was light, so ATC was very quiet.
We joked, looked at the local college, flew over some lakes, a local air force
base, and some mountains while we watched the sun set off our left wing. We
made a big, slow, 10 mile loop back towards home over a nearby town and
checked out the sights against an intense orange, red, and purple sunset in
sharp relief against a jagged, inky black mountain silhouette.
As we headed home, night fell, and the moon split the horizon and our right
wing. We got a gorgeous picture of the sharp, full moon reflected below by
water in irrigated fields, and above by the wing bottom. I'll never forget
that moon - it looked like the wing would hit it if I turned the yoke just a
little too much.
We floated in low over a gorgeous blanket of city lights at just 1,200 AGL as
we entered a gradual, straight-in final at our local airport. The air was as
smooth as glass. I landed a bit long, touchdown was a gentle bump with just a
mild chirp of the tires.
"Exit taxiway echo, taxi to parking, monitor ground".
Man I love flying!
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"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk
the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you
have been, and there you will always long to return."
Leonardo da Vinci
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