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1. 04:33 AM - Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... (GARY PENNINGTON)
2. 04:42 AM - Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
3. 04:54 AM - Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
4. 05:08 AM - Re: 4 pictures for you (EAFerguson@aol.com)
5. 05:16 AM - Re: 4 pictures for you (N1BZRich@aol.com)
6. 05:37 AM - Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
7. 05:50 AM - Re: Builders manual (EAFerguson@AOL.COM)
8. 10:31 AM - Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... (EAFerguson@AOL.COM)
9. 10:43 AM - Re: 4 pictures for you (EAFerguson@AOL.COM)
10. 01:50 PM - Re: 4 pictures for you (Peter and Jan Disher)
11. 04:21 PM - Re: 4 pictures for you (N1BZRich@aol.com)
12. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: Panel Box (Jim Langley)
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| Subject: | Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions |
please...
Charles
Wow! "Ground Shy" pilots might want to avoid St. Barts. However, I love
the Caribbean and watching the video makes me want to go back.
Gary Pennington
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From: Charles Dewey<mailto:cdewey6969@yahoo.com>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:24 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need
opinions please...
<cdewey6969@yahoo.com<mailto:cdewey6969@yahoo.com>>
Video of approach at St Barth, French West Indies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Dft5X5Q-Y<http://www.youtube.com/watch
?v=k0Dft5X5Q-Y>
Charles
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> From: n5pb@aol.com<mailto:n5pb@aol.com>
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> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: ELSA = KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid)
Round 3
> To:
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> Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 4:36 PM
> I'll bring my appetite too and perhaps my Lightning!!!
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> Bear
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> From: Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com<mailto:pequeajim@gmail.com>>
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> Sent: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:32 am
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: ELSA = KISS (Keep It Simple
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> Thanks Nick. I'll bring my appetite...
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> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 9:16 AM, flylightning
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> Ok Friday it is than if there are no objections. We'll
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> Nick Otterback
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> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: ELSA = KISS (Keep It Simple
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> I vote this year to have our Arion Lightning gathering at
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> Thanks for the kind words, Gary. I hope to meet you
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| Subject: | Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions |
please...
In a message dated 2/6/2009 10:25:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cdewey6969@yahoo.com writes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Dft5X5Q-Y
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please...
In a message dated 2/6/2009 10:25:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cdewey6969@yahoo.com writes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Dft5X5Q-Y
Hi Charles,
Hope all is going well with your "jet". Haven't heard from you for a
while. How about sending some photos and give me an update on how the flying
is going for the newsletter.
Now to your question. The video indicates that this runway (10) has
1650' usable which is sufficient for a Lightning. However, it very well may not
be sufficient for the pilot. So the answer to your question is "it
depends". Remember the performance of any airplane depends on the "teams"
capability, and that team is both the airplane and the pilot. But there should
be
other pieces of information in your decision process when ever you are deciding
on going to a specific airport - not just airport length. Obviously the
forecast winds and weather at the expected arrival time is a big consideration.
What happens if you get there and find a 25 knot cross wind - that runway is
pretty narrow. And for an airport like this one, which might tax some pilots,
another important question is how far away is another runway - an alternate
in case you need to go somewhere else for what ever reason. For example, you
are headed for this airport and just as you get there the airplane in the
pattern ahead of you "dings" and closes the runway. What are your options
then? Do you have the fuel to make it there with the current winds? Those are
the things that I would want to know before I headed there. So you see, the
real answer to your question is - it depends.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: 4 pictures for you |
In a message dated 2/6/2009 4:14:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pjdisher@bigpond.com writes:
Hi Mark and Jim,
My panel hinges out about 45 deg, have rubber mounted it with Lord mounts
onto 1/4" 12 ply, held closed with 2 washer head screws one on each end. Works
real well for me. Access just great. 4 pics att.
Pete D
VH-PDI
kit 30
You have been sent 4 pictures.
IMG_5535.JPG
IMG_5616.JPG
IMG_5562.JPG
IMG_5408.JPG
Beautiful!
Earl Ferguson
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Hey World Record Earl,
Looks like a beautiful day all over the south. Where are you going
flying to today? Send me something for the newsletter about what you and Echo
Foxtrot have been up to. Any new planned additional records?
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions |
please...
I agree with Buz, but would add a couple considerations.
My understanding of winds in the Caribbean is that it depends greatly on the
time of day for both direction and velocity. I dont think the runway is
too short, but gusty crosswinds could be a problem. It would be important to
flight plan for optimum winds. Some islands experience a 180 degree wind
shift between night and morning. I would rather land on 28 than 10 if I could.
Coming over water would mean less turbulence.
The next issue is with the pilot. It would take some practice and precision
flying to nail approaches and touchdowns in the potential conditions. As
we all know, speed control is important for both long and short wings. It
might make sense to add the new wing tips....to lower your speeds on landing.
If you did all your flying off wide, long concrete runways, you can
develop some bad habits. After flying he grass and hill at Green Landings,
everything looks better, including this runway!!
The airplane in the video exaggerated both the approach and touchdown
run...in my opinion. I thought it was a lower approach than necessary as well
as a
longer ground run than necessary. It looked to me like using braking he
would have made the turnoff in the middle of the runway. Reminds me of
landing at Midway in Chicago on Southwest. I was there as in kid in 1958. The
runways were a little short then, they are not longer now!! Always fun to point
out the end of the runway to other passengers as we made the turn onto the
taxiway.
Finally, there is a difference between what you CAN do and what you WANT to
do on a regular basis. We CAN fly and land in rough conditions. Age seems
to make me WANT to less.
Doug Koenigsberg
In a message dated 2/7/2009 7:55:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
N1BZRich@AOL.COM writes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Dft5X5Q-Y
Hi Charles,
Hope all is going well with your "jet". Haven't heard from you for a
while. How about sending some photos and give me an update on how the flying
is going for the newsletter.
Now to your question. The video indicates that this runway (10) has
1650' usable which is sufficient for a Lightning. However, it very well may not
be sufficient for the pilot. So the answer to your question is "it
depends". Remember the performance of any airplane depends on the "teams"
capability, and that team is both the airplane and the pilot. But there should
be
other pieces of information in your decision process when ever you are deciding
on going to a specific airport - not just airport length. Obviously the
forecast winds and weather at the expected arrival time is a big consideration.
What happens if you get there and find a 25 knot cross wind - that runway is
pretty narrow. And for an airport like this one, which might tax some pilots,
another important question is how far away is another runway - an alternate
in case you need to go somewhere else for what ever reason. For example, you
are headed for this airport and just as you get there the airplane in the
pattern ahead of you "dings" and closes the runway. What are your options
then? Do you have the fuel to make it there with the current winds? Those are
the things that I would want to know before I headed there. So you see, the
real answer to your question is - it depends.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Builders manual |
In a message dated 2/3/2009 1:09:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
info@flylightning.net writes:
To group,
Arion aircraft is working towards SLSA certification as most of you know. In
order to sell E-LSA Lightning we must have a very detailed ASTM compliant
build manual so a builder could in detail re-produce the original aircraft.
This will also help with improving the build manual for amateur builder as well.
With this in mind any one with helpful suggestions to the manual please
email them directly to me at _nick@flylightning.net_
(mailto:nick@flylightning.net)
We will be placing updates very regularly over the next few months to the
original manual on the owners site. Section 20 has been posted today.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
Go Nick!!
Earl
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| Subject: | Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions |
please...
In a message dated 2/6/2009 10:25:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cdewey6969@yahoo.com writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: Charles Dewey <cdewey6969@yahoo.com>
Video of approach at St Barth, French West Indies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Dft5X5Q-Y
Charles
Interesting, but possible with full flaps and good speed control. You have
to get a special endorsement for this airport . One hour ground, two hours dual
and :30 solo with a min of 12 landings. This can be done at Guadaloupe,
which isn't a bad place to visit. BTW, that's a topless beach at the end of the
runway at St. Barts - just in case you overrun.
The one I'd like to try is Saba about 20 miles away. Only 1312' x 66' with
sheer drops to the water on both ends. Do we qualify for STOL? I've overflown
it several times and would really like to visit. Anybody interested in a
Caribbean grand tour?
Earl
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In a message dated 2/7/2009 8:16:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
N1BZRich@aol.com writes:
Hey World Record Earl,
Looks like a beautiful day all over the south. Where are you going
flying to today? Send me something for the newsletter about what you and Echo
Foxtrot have been up to. Any new planned additional records?
Buz
Buz,
Give me time, I just got home from the hospital with my new hip. May be able
to get in the airplane around March 1.
BTW, I didn't take the camera with me to the hospital, but I thought about
your request for a pix with my pretty little nurse as the was removing my
catheter Thursday. I told her about the missed opportunity and she blushed.
See my e-mail about the Caribbean grand tour!!
Earl
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| Subject: | Re: 4 pictures for you |
Thanks Earl and good luck on your recovery. If you remember, I did meet
you ever so briefly at SYI October 06.
Pete D
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From: EAFerguson@aol.com
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: 4 pictures for you
In a message dated 2/6/2009 4:14:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pjdisher@bigpond.com writes:
Hi Mark and Jim,
My panel hinges out about 45 deg, have rubber mounted it with Lord
mounts onto 1/4" 12 ply, held closed with 2 washer head screws one on
each end. Works real well for me. Access just great. 4 pics att.
Pete D
VH-PDI
kit 30
You have been sent 4 pictures.
IMG_5535.JPG
IMG_5616.JPG
IMG_5562.JPG
IMG_5408.JPG
Beautiful!
Earl Ferguson
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In a message dated 2/7/2009 1:44:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
EAFerguson@AOL.COM writes:
May be able to get in the airplane around March 1.
Hey Earl,
Glad to hear all went well with the hip replacement. Does it weight
more than the original? You know you have to watch that gross weight for your
next world recored.
It had slipped my mind that you had the hip replacement scheduled. I
do wish you had taken that camera. You and your nurse would have made a great
centerfold for the newsletter. So get well soon, and get Echo Foxtrot back
in the air. I look forward to seeing you at Sun-N-Fun. Also, I like your
idea about you leading a tour through the Carib. Who else but an ex-navy pilot
would know where all the nude beaches are. DO NOT FORGET YOUR CAMERA.
Buz
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Thanks folks. Yes, I am putting in the new style.
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:26 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Panel Box
I'm planning to hinge mine with short lengths of strap or cord on the lower
edge. When closed it will still be held by the full complement of screws
and cage nuts, when these are removed it will swing down for access but
still be held in approximate position to prevent strain on connections.
Bearing in mind that this is the "new style" instrument box, so a little
different from Pete D's
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Cheers, Selwyn
Kit 66
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