---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/09/09: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:17 AM - Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please...HOW ABOUT THIS ONE? (James, Clive R) 2. 06:37 AM - Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... (flylightning) 3. 07:04 AM - Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... (Larzfromarz) 4. 10:17 AM - Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please...HOW ABOUT THIS ONE? (Brian Proett) 5. 02:15 PM - Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... (Charles Dewey) 6. 05:45 PM - Re: Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... (Brian Whittingham) 7. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... (Wayne Patterson) 8. 06:43 PM - Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... (N1BZRich@aol.com) 9. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... (Jim Langley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:19 AM PST US Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please...HOW ABOUT THIS ONE? From: "James, Clive R" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSAOoicFxMg&feature=PlayList&p=D635AAD84587F3E6&playnext=1&index=2 This is the Skiing resort in France, altiport rating required, only one way in, no go around as mountain ahead. Corcheval is the ultimate but there are many dotted around the alps, France, Switzerland. Small grass as well as more organised places like this one. A friend went in one in a Jabiru ULM, there is not altiport rating required for a ULM. I've also seen pictures of a new Beech that was landed by an unrated guy, bent main spar and engine drooping on pylons. St Barts looks cool, in more ways than one! -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Dewey Sent: 07 February 2009 03:25 Subject: Lightning-List: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... --> Video of approach at St Barth, French West Indies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Dft5X5Q-Y Charles --- On Fri, 2/6/09, n5pb@aol.com wrote: > From: n5pb@aol.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: ELSA = KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) Round > 3 > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 4:36 PM I'll bring my appetite too and > perhaps my Lightning!!! > > Bear > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Langley > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Sent: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:32 am > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: ELSA = KISS (Keep It Simple > Stupid) Round 3 > > > Thanks Nick. I'll bring my appetite... > > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 9:16 AM, flylightning > wrote: > > > > > Ok Friday it is than if there are no objections. We'll bring the corn > roast and such if you guys bring your self. > > > > Nick Otterback > > Arion Aircraft, LLC > > > > > > > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Langley > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:32 PM > > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: ELSA = KISS (Keep It Simple > Stupid) Round 3 > > > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: ELSA = KISS (Keep It Simple > Stupid) Round 3 > > > > > > > > > I vote this year to have our Arion Lightning gathering at Sun n Fun on > Friday so I can finally make it! > > > > (yes, selfish reasons; I know, I know...) > > > > > > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > N1BZRich@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:06 AM > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: ELSA = KISS (Keep It Simple > Stupid) Round 3 > > > > > > > Thanks for the kind words, Gary. I hope to meet you also. I am once > again planning to be at bot h Sun-N-Fun and Oshkosh. How about you? > Normally the Lightning guys plan a "Meet and Greet" session for all > interested in the Lightning at both SNF and Oshkosh. I am sure they > will again this year. It is a good time to meet others on the list > and share information about the Lightning. Lets hope that many > Lightnings show up at SNF this year. I know World Record Earl will be > there, lets just hope he is not wearing his world record "flight > suit". > > > > Blue Skies, > > > > Buz > > > > > > > > > Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and > so much more. > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > > > http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > " > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > a href="http://forums.matronics.com/" > target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > -= - The Lightning-List Email Forum - > -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many > List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & > Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photosha re, and much much more: > - > -= --> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > - > -========================-= - MATRONICS WEB > FORUMS - > -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! > - > -= --> http://forums.matronics.com > - > -========================-= - List Contribution > Web Site - > -= Thank you for your generous support! > -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution > -======================= ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:38 AM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... Dont see why not. nick -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Dewey Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:25 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... Video of approach at St Barth, French West Indies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Dft5X5Q-Y Charles --- On Fri, 2/6/09, n5pb@aol.com wrote: > From: n5pb@aol.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: ELSA = KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) Round 3 > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 4:36 PM > I'll bring my appetite too and perhaps my Lightning!!! > > Bear > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Langley > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Sent: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:32 am > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: ELSA = KISS (Keep It Simple > Stupid) Round 3 > > > Thanks Nick. I'll bring my appetite... > > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 9:16 AM, flylightning > wrote: > > > > > Ok Friday it is than if there are no objections. We'll > bring the corn roast and such if you guys bring your self. > > > > Nick Otterback > > Arion Aircraft, LLC > > > > > > > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf > Of Jim Langley > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:32 PM > > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: ELSA = KISS (Keep It Simple > Stupid) Round 3 > > > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: ELSA = KISS (Keep It Simple > Stupid) Round 3 > > > > > > > > > I vote this year to have our Arion Lightning gathering at > Sun n Fun on Friday so I can finally make it! > > > > (yes, selfish reasons; I know, I know) > > > > > > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf > Of N1BZRich@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:06 AM > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: ELSA = KISS (Keep It Simple > Stupid) Round 3 > > > > > > > Thanks for the kind words, Gary. I hope to meet you > also. I am once again planning to be at bot > h Sun-N-Fun and Oshkosh. How about you? Normally the > Lightning guys plan a "Meet and Greet" session for > all interested in the Lightning at both SNF and Oshkosh. I > am sure they will again this year. It is a good time to > meet others on the list and share information about the > Lightning. Lets hope that many Lightnings show up at SNF > this year. I know World Record Earl will be there, lets > just hope he is not wearing his world record "flight > suit". > > > > Blue Skies, > > > > Buz > > > > > > > > > Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to > stocks and so much more. > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > > > http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > " > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > a href="http://forums.matronics.com/" > target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > -= - The Lightning-List Email Forum - > -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse > -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, > -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > -= Photosha > re, and much much more: > - > -= --> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > - > -========================-= - MATRONICS WEB > FORUMS - > -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! > - > -= --> http://forums.matronics.com > - > -========================-= - List Contribution > Web Site - > -= Thank you for your generous support! > -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution > -======================= ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:46 AM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... From: "Larzfromarz" If you dig just a bit deeper from the YouTube video you can see the same landing done by a 737! IT just happens to be in Flight Sim though. BTW has any modeled the Lightning For Flight Sim X? Larzfromarz Romig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229334#229334 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:53 AM PST US From: "Brian Proett" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please...HOW ABOUT THIS ONE? Hope he stays on-Piste. Lets reserve off-Piste for skiing. I will be in Meribel next month with my son. Would love to fly a Lightning there. I get to Aberdeen on occasion. I would really like to take a flight with you in yours when it is repaired. Brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James, Clive R Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please...HOW ABOUT THIS ONE? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSAOoicFxMg&feature=PlayList&p=D635AAD84587F3 E6&playnext=1&index=2 This is the Skiing resort in France, altiport rating required, only one way in, no go around as mountain ahead. Corcheval is the ultimate but there are many dotted around the alps, France, Switzerland. Small grass as well as more organised places like this one. A friend went in one in a Jabiru ULM, there is not altiport rating required for a ULM. I've also seen pictures of a new Beech that was landed by an unrated guy, bent main spar and engine drooping on pylons. St Barts looks cool, in more ways than one! -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Dewey Sent: 07 February 2009 03:25 Subject: Lightning-List: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... --> Video of approach at St Barth, French West Indies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Dft5X5Q-Y Charles --- On Fri, 2/6/09, n5pb@aol.com wrote: > From: n5pb@aol.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: ELSA = KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) Round > 3 > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 4:36 PM I'll bring my appetite too and > perhaps my Lightning!!! > > Bear > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Langley > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Sent: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:32 am > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: ELSA = KISS (Keep It Simple > Stupid) Round 3 > > > Thanks Nick. I'll bring my appetite... > > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 9:16 AM, flylightning > wrote: > > > > > Ok Friday it is than if there are no objections. We'll bring the corn > roast and such if you guys bring your self. > > > > Nick Otterback > > Arion Aircraft, LLC > > > > > > > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Langley > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:32 PM > > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: ELSA = KISS (Keep It Simple > Stupid) Round 3 > > > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: ELSA = KISS (Keep It Simple > Stupid) Round 3 > > > > > > > > > I vote this year to have our Arion Lightning gathering at Sun n Fun on > Friday so I can finally make it! > > > > (yes, selfish reasons; I know, I know...) > > > > > > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > N1BZRich@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:06 AM > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: ELSA = KISS (Keep It Simple > Stupid) Round 3 > > > > > > > Thanks for the kind words, Gary. I hope to meet you also. I am once > again planning to be at bot h Sun-N-Fun and Oshkosh. How about you? > Normally the Lightning guys plan a "Meet and Greet" session for all > interested in the Lightning at both SNF and Oshkosh. I am sure they > will again this year. It is a good time to meet others on the list > and share information about the Lightning. Lets hope that many > Lightnings show up at SNF this year. I know World Record Earl will be > there, lets just hope he is not wearing his world record "flight > suit". > > > > Blue Skies, > > > > Buz > > > > > > > > > Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and > so much more. > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > > > http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > " > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > a href="http://forums.matronics.com/" > target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > -= - The Lightning-List Email Forum - > -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many > List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & > Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photosha re, and much much more: > - > -= --> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > - > -========================-= - MATRONICS WEB > FORUMS - > -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! > - > -= --> http://forums.matronics.com > - > -========================-= - List Contribution > Web Site - > -= Thank you for your generous support! > -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution > -======================= ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:15:11 PM PST US From: Charles Dewey Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... Earl, Count me in on an organized Caribbean tour. I'd like to see if Buz can pass the test to land on St. Barts. Charles --- On Sat, 2/7/09, EAFerguson@aol.com wrote: > From: EAFerguson@aol.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 1:30 PM > In a message dated 2/6/2009 10:25:40 P.M. Eastern Standard > Time, > cdewey6969@yahoo.com writes: > > --> Lightning-List message posted by: Charles Dewey > > > > Video of approach at St Barth, French West Indies: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Dft5X5Q-Y > > Charles > > > > Interesting, but possible with full flaps and good speed > control. You have > to get a special endorsement for this airport . One hour > ground, two hours dual > and :30 solo with a min of 12 landings. This can be done > at Guadaloupe, > which isn't a bad place to visit. BTW, that's a > topless beach at the end of the > runway at St. Barts - just in case you overrun. > > The one I'd like to try is Saba about 20 miles away. > Only 1312' x 66' with > sheer drops to the water on both ends. Do we qualify for > STOL? I've overflown > it several times and would really like to visit. Anybody > interested in a > Caribbean grand tour? > > Earl > **************Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award > surprises of all time on > AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000003) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:28 PM PST US From: Brian Whittingham Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... I am working on modeling the Lightning in Xplane 9. This will give us a mu ch more realistic flight model. Hopefully at some point I'll get both a mo del of the Lightning and the often used GRT EFIS modeled to allow some basi c transition training=2C or a sense of building excitement while you build. Brian W.> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway ? Need opinions please...> From: peteromig@gmail.com> Date: Mon=2C 9 Feb 20 09 07:04:18 -0800> To: lightning-list@matronics.com> > --> Lightning-List m essage posted by: "Larzfromarz" > > If you dig just a bit deeper from the YouTube video you can see the same landing done by a 73 7! IT just happens to be in Flight Sim though.> BTW has any modeled the Lig htning For Flight Sim X?> > Larzfromarz Romig> > > > > Read this topic onli ne here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229334#229334> > ====================> > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:37 PM PST US Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... From: "Wayne Patterson" That would be greatly looked forward to Brian! Wayne Patterson (over in Oz) From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Whittingham Sent: Tuesday, 10 February 2009 10:45 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... I am working on modeling the Lightning in Xplane 9. This will give us a much more realistic flight model. Hopefully at some point I'll get both a model of the Lightning and the often used GRT EFIS modeled to allow some basic transition training, or a sense of building excitement while you build. Brian W. > Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... > From: peteromig@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 07:04:18 -0800 > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > > If you dig just a bit deeper from the YouTube video you can see the same landing done by a 737! IT just happens to be in Flight Sim though. > BTW has any modeled the Lightning For Flight Sim X? > > Larzfromarz Romig > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229334#229334 > > = Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, &g==================== > _==== > > > ________________________________ Windows Live(tm): E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. Check it out. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:48 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... In a message dated 2/9/2009 5:15:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cdewey6969@yahoo.com writes: I'd like to see if Buz can pass the test to land on St. Barts. Charles is probably right to question my abilities, especially since he probably knows I would have trouble keeping my eyes from looking at that topless beach just off the end. But I certainly think it is a great idea for Earl to lead a guided tour. Earl, are you thinking about after Sun-N-Fun or what time frame? Buz **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:31 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... When you build the EFIS, we can coordinate together and I could build the MGL equivalent. From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Whittingham Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:45 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... I am working on modeling the Lightning in Xplane 9. This will give us a much more realistic flight model. Hopefully at some point I'll get both a model of the Lightning and the often used GRT EFIS modeled to allow some basic transition training, or a sense of building excitement while you build. Brian W. > Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please... > From: peteromig@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 07:04:18 -0800 > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > > If you dig just a bit deeper from the YouTube video you can see the same landing done by a 737! IT just happens to be in Flight Sim though. > BTW has any modeled the Lightning For Flight Sim X? > > Larzfromarz Romig > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229334#229334 > > = Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, &g==================== > _==== > > > _____ Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. 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