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1. 01:02 AM - Re: engine stoppage (James, Clive R)
2. 05:34 AM - Re: Engines stopping-Chocolate block (James, Clive R)
3. 06:11 AM - Re: engine stoppage (Pete Krotje)
4. 04:01 PM - Flagstaff and Sedona flight (GARY PENNINGTON)
5. 04:44 PM - Re: Flagstaff and Sedona flight (Jim Langley)
6. 05:33 PM - Sedona Trip (Peter and Jan Disher)
7. 05:57 PM - Gary's pictures (Tex Mantell)
8. 06:02 PM - Re: Flight to Lake Havasu (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
9. 07:50 PM - Re: Flagstaff and Sedona flight (n5pb@AOL.COM)
10. 11:34 PM - Re: Flagstaff and Sedona flight (James, Clive R)
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Ray, what you describe below shouldn't happen you should be able to
'smartly' close the throttle without the engine stopping.
Smooth control aside you should be able to make reasonably aggressive
throttle reductions without it stopping.
Check the idle mixture and idle settings again. Read the Bing section of
the Jabiru manual, it's all there.
If it still happens check with your dealer.
Just MHO!
Regards, Clive
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
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Sent: 19 February 2009 23:31
Subject: Lightning-List: engine stoppage
Gentlemen:
Several comments that I did not include in a recent e-mail.
The engine stoppage will occur any time or place that one aggressively
brings the throttle back to idle. This will occur in the air when
practicing maneuvers, or on the ground when another plane or object will
cause one to close the throttle rapidly. Think ahead and be gentle with
the engine.
We also had a problem with a loss of up elevator feel during short
landings and practicing stalls. Purchased the Ray Allen electric
elevator trim from Lightning, and this made a major change in the
control inputs. Should you have this situation, this is a good
investment.
Ray Gage
83TW
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| Subject: | Engines stopping-Chocolate block |
This is the stuff, cut the plastic off one segment and the metal
ferrule with two locking screws is left, CJ
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James,
Clive R
Sent: 19 February 2009 19:57
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Engines stopping
The problem is caused by the fact the throttle stop isn't strong enough
to prevent it being flexed by operating the throttle from the pilots
control.
As explained by others an additional stop on the cable is recommended.
The simplest and cheapest way of fitting this is to use an electrical
screw connector removed from it's plastic.
These connectors are readily available and known in the UK as 'chocolate
block'. See attached pictures (apologise for lack of clarity, phone
pictures).
The pain when fitting is the fact the end of the cable needs removing
from the cable to fit it.
This additional stop prevents the cable from being pulled too far and
bending the throttle stop arm which holds the adjustment screw (at a
strange angle).
The throttle stop arm is one of those Jabiru issues that isn't really
applicable to a Jabiru plane throttle so hasn't been 'improved' by the
manufacturer.
During the early hours your Jabiru engine will loosen up and the idle
will increase, you will have to make a few adjustments in the first 100
hrs. There is also the issue of the idle mixture which if not set
correctly will make the idle running sensitive and liable to stop at
higher revs than you would like.
An 850 rpm idle on finals will give 1000 rpm or more, revs that will
make many aircraft float along the runway nicely (tell me about it....).
Regards, Clive
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mefford,
Walt
Sent: 19 February 2009 17:35
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Engine and trim
I have had it happen to me at least once under the same conditions as
you have described.
Walt Mefford
N881WP
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FamilyGage@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:51 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Engine and trim
Hello:
Have had the engine completely stop on several occasions and on very
short final. MY A/P friend looked at it several times and could not
come up with an answer except to not pull the throttle back to idle
briskly. I have followed his advise, and have had no problem of engine
stoppage.
My plane also wants to turn to the left. We adjusted the flaps, as the
left flap was about 3 degrees lower. Made no difference.
Trim tabs may well be the answer.
Ray Gage
83TW
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I know we've covered this topic before but without a throttle stop to
prevent excessive force at the carb throttle arm a strong pull on the
throttle will actually bend the throttle adjustment screw on the carb.
There is a metal tab attached to the carb that holds the idle rpm adjustment
screw. This is a stamped piece of steel but there is more than enough force
that can be applied, especially with our throttle arm extension, to bend
this stamped piece.
A throttle stop applied as Nick detailed in previous emails will prevent
excess force from bending this metal piece. If you do not have a throttle
stop installed then you should do so soon to prevent bending the idle
adjustment tab or bending the cable attach bracket on the carb.
Pete
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Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 5:31 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: engine stoppage
Gentlemen:
Several comments that I did not include in a recent e-mail.
The engine stoppage will occur any time or place that one aggressively
brings the throttle back to idle. This will occur in the air when
practicing maneuvers, or on the ground when another plane or object will
cause one to close the throttle rapidly. Think ahead and be gentle with the
engine.
We also had a problem with a loss of up elevator feel during short landings
and practicing stalls. Purchased the Ray Allen electric elevator trim from
Lightning, and this made a major change in the control inputs. Should you
have this situation, this is a good investment.
Ray Gage
83TW
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| Subject: | Flagstaff and Sedona flight |
Hello everyone.
I flew again this morning, surprise, surprise. After yesterdays flight
to Prescott, I wasn't planning another trip but the weather was too good
to resist. I now have over 90 hours on my little bird and she is purring
like a kitten.
I filed my Flight Plan with Prescott FSS leaving from Marana Regional
Airport direct to Page Airport, (adjacent to Lake Powell). I've always
wanted to see Lake Powell and this seemed like the perfect opportunity.
As an added bonus, I would pass East of the Grand Canyon. Although there
are rigid flight restrictions over the Canyon, I would be close enough
to photograph it. The weather forecast predicted mostly clear skies with
minor Cirrus clouds along the route. Wind was calm. I activated my
Flight Plan after climbing to around 8000' and shortly thereafter,
contacted Albuquerque Center for Flight Following. Life is good!
The first 50 miles or so are not special. Not much to see except empty
desert. I traded 8000' for 10,500' to clear the Superstition Mountains
East of Phoenix. After reaching 10.5, the EFIS indicated a 26 mph wind
and lucky for me, it was mostly a tail wind. My ground speed over the
rugged Superstitions was 161 mph. Now that's cruisin! A few minutes
later I was over Apache Lake with Roosevelt Lake in the distance. (see
the two photos attached). During the Summer, boaters are buzzing the
lakes helter skelter, but today, not a sole was in sight.
North of the Payson, is the Mogollon Rim.... a sharply rising mountain
range extending East to West for many miles. It is a very popular escape
during the hot Summer months for desert rats in Phoenix and Tucson. For
now, it is capped in snow. (see photo).
About 60 miles or so North of Payson is Flagstaff. It is known for the
"San Francisco Peaks" reaching 12,633' skyward and the "Sunset Crater",
an extinct volcano. Most of the area is currently covered in snow and
the outside air temp at 10,500' was 10 degrees. Burrrrrr! As luck would
have it, I had to pee. Damn. I knew I would not make it to Page. I had
to make a decision...Flagstaff or Sedona? Since field elevation at
Flagstaff is 7014' and the temp was in the high teens, Sedona was my
choice. I cancelled Flight Following and my Flight Plan and redirected
to Sedona. I have attached two photos of Sedona...the first is just
South of town, (showing the San Francisco Peaks in the distance), and
the other is at the Sedona Airport.
Though Lake Powell will have to wait till another day, all is not lost,
for this has been a great day. I hope you enjoyed the trip as much as I
did.
Till the next adventure, happy flying!
Gary Pennington
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| Subject: | Flagstaff and Sedona flight |
Beautiful Gary. Thanks for sharing!
Jim!
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY
PENNINGTON
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 6:57 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Flagstaff and Sedona flight
Hello everyone.
I flew again this morning, surprise, surprise. After yesterdays flight to
Prescott, I wasn't planning another trip but the weather was too good to
resist. I now have over 90 hours on my little bird and she is purring like a
kitten.
I filed my Flight Plan with Prescott FSS leaving from Marana Regional
Airport direct to Page Airport, (adjacent to Lake Powell). I've always
wanted to see Lake Powell and this seemed like the perfect opportunity. As
an added bonus, I would pass East of the Grand Canyon. Although there are
rigid flight restrictions over the Canyon, I would be close enough to
photograph it. The weather forecast predicted mostly clear skies with minor
Cirrus clouds along the route. Wind was calm. I activated my Flight Plan
after climbing to around 8000' and shortly thereafter, contacted Albuquerque
Center for Flight Following. Life is good!
The first 50 miles or so are not special. Not much to see except empty
desert. I traded 8000' for 10,500' to clear the Superstition Mountains East
of Phoenix. After reaching 10.5, the EFIS indicated a 26 mph wind and lucky
for me, it was mostly a tail wind. My ground speed over the rugged
Superstitions was 161 mph. Now that's cruisin! A few minutes later I was
over Apache Lake with Roosevelt Lake in the distance. (see the two photos
attached). During the Summer, boaters are buzzing the lakes helter skelter,
but today, not a sole was in sight.
North of the Payson, is the Mogollon Rim.... a sharply rising mountain range
extending East to West for many miles. It is a very popular escape during
the hot Summer months for desert rats in Phoenix and Tucson. For now, it is
capped in snow. (see photo).
About 60 miles or so North of Payson is Flagstaff. It is known for the "San
Francisco Peaks" reaching 12,633' skyward and the "Sunset Crater", an
extinct volcano. Most of the area is currently covered in snow and the
outside air temp at 10,500' was 10 degrees. Burrrrrr! As luck would have it,
I had to pee. Damn. I knew I would not make it to Page. I had to make a
decision...Flagstaff or Sedona? Since field elevation at Flagstaff is 7014'
and the temp was in the high teens, Sedona was my choice. I cancelled Flight
Following and my Flight Plan and redirected to Sedona. I have attached two
photos of Sedona...the first is just South of town, (showing the San
Francisco Peaks in the distance), and the other is at the Sedona Airport.
Though Lake Powell will have to wait till another day, all is not lost, for
this has been a great day. I hope you enjoyed the trip as much as I did.
Till the next adventure, happy flying!
Gary Pennington
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Just Great photos Gary and enjoyed reading about your trip.
Many thanks
Pete D
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Thanks for the stories and the pictures. Makes me want to finish mine as
quick as possible. I sit here with snow up to my rear and cant wait till
spring. Keep those trips pictures coming and don't be surprised if
someday you find a lightning from New York on your wing tip as you fly
over those hills. Tex
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| Subject: | Re: Flight to Lake Havasu |
In a message dated 2/5/2009 7:24:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pennington@q.com writes:
I don't know how to explain this, but as I noted before, my engine burns
less Premium Auto Fuel per hour than AvGas.
Gary,
I just re read your Lake Havasu flight report and this time actually
noticed your statement / question (above) about the difference of auto gas
verses AvGas fuel burns. And the fact that you got slightly better fuel burns
and
thus used less fuel when you were using auto gas. The reason for this is
that auto gas is more volatile than avgas, and because of this you may actually
see slightly lower fuel usages. There can be some downsides, such as
higher vaporization, a higher potential for vapor lock, and perhaps more
carburetor icing. Another thing to remember is that auto gas has looser
manufacturing specifications and quality control is less stringent, so actual
quality
and performance may vary widely from load to load. Hope this helps.
Blue Skies,
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| Subject: | Re: Flagstaff and Sedona flight |
Gary,
Sounds like you had a superb flight.? The pics are stellar!?
Katie from Shelbyville, TN?ferried my lightning to Clearwater, Fl?today.? She had
a beautiful clear blue day.?
I'm gald to have N82PB "home:....Now I can start my flying and share experiences
too.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com>
Sent: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 6:57 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Flagstaff and Sedona flight
Hello everyone.
?
I flew again this morning,?surprise, surprise.?After yesterdays flight to Prescott,
I wasn't planning another trip but the weather was too good to resist. I
now have over 90 hours on my little bird and she is purring like a kitten.
?
I filed my Flight Plan with Prescott FSS leaving from Marana Regional Airport direct
to Page Airport, (adjacent to Lake Powell). I've always wanted to see Lake
Powell and this seemed like the perfect opportunity. As an added bonus, I would
pass East of the Grand Canyon. Although there are rigid flight restrictions
over the Canyon, I would be close enough to photograph it. The weather forecast
predicted?mostly clear skies with minor Cirrus clouds along the route. Wind
was calm. I activated my Flight Plan after climbing to around 8000' and shortly
thereafter, contacted Albuquerque Center for Flight Following. Life is good!
?
The first 50 miles or so are not special. Not much to see except empty desert.
I traded 8000' for 10,500' to clear the Superstition Mountains East of Phoenix.?After
reaching 10.5, the EFIS indicated a 26 mph wind and lucky for me, it was
mostly a tail wind. My ground speed over the rugged Superstitions was 161 mph.
Now that's cruisin! A few minutes later I was over Apache Lake with Roosevelt
Lake in the distance. (see the two photos attached).?During the Summer, boaters
are buzzing the lakes helter skelter, but today, not a sole was in sight.
?
North of the Payson, is the Mogollon Rim.... a sharply rising mountain range extending
East to West for many miles. It is a very popular escape during the hot
Summer months for desert rats in Phoenix and Tucson. For now, it is capped in
snow. (see photo).
?
About 60 miles or so North of Payson is Flagstaff. It is known for the "San Francisco
Peaks" reaching 12,633' skyward and the "Sunset Crater", an extinct volcano.
Most of the area is currently covered in snow and the outside air temp at
10,500' was 10 degrees. Burrrrrr! As luck would have it, I had to pee. Damn.
I knew I would not make it to Page. I had to make a decision...Flagstaff or Sedona?
Since field elevation at Flagstaff is 7014' and the temp was in the high
teens, Sedona was my choice. I cancelled Flight Following and my Flight Plan
and redirected to Sedona. I have attached two photos of Sedona...the first is
just South of town, (showing the San Francisco Peaks in the distance), and the
other is at the Sedona Airport.
?
Though Lake Powell will have to wait till another day, all is not lost, for this
has been a great?day. I hope you enjoyed the trip as much as I did.
?
Till the next adventure, happy flying!
?
Gary Pennington?
?
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| Subject: | Flagstaff and Sedona flight |
Great story and pictures, Thanks Gary.
Puts a whole new light on Flight Plans, in Europe unless you're IFR we
only use them for crossing International Borders. In the case of the
desert and mountain flying........
Or was there lots of highways underneath just out of the picture?
How many folk in the US have ballistic parachutes?
In Spain I noted a lot of places close by where the land out options
were nil, lots of planes there had parachutes.
Great stuff, can't wait to start touring again.
Regards, Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY
PENNINGTON
Sent: 20 February 2009 23:57
Subject: Lightning-List: Flagstaff and Sedona flight
Hello everyone.
I flew again this morning, surprise, surprise. After yesterdays flight
to Prescott, I wasn't planning another trip but the weather was too good
to resist. I now have over 90 hours on my little bird and she is purring
like a kitten.
I filed my Flight Plan with Prescott FSS leaving from Marana Regional
Airport direct to Page Airport, (adjacent to Lake Powell). I've always
wanted to see Lake Powell and this seemed like the perfect opportunity.
As an added bonus, I would pass East of the Grand Canyon. Although there
are rigid flight restrictions over the Canyon, I would be close enough
to photograph it. The weather forecast predicted mostly clear skies with
minor Cirrus clouds along the route. Wind was calm. I activated my
Flight Plan after climbing to around 8000' and shortly thereafter,
contacted Albuquerque Center for Flight Following. Life is good!
The first 50 miles or so are not special. Not much to see except empty
desert. I traded 8000' for 10,500' to clear the Superstition Mountains
East of Phoenix. After reaching 10.5, the EFIS indicated a 26 mph wind
and lucky for me, it was mostly a tail wind. My ground speed over the
rugged Superstitions was 161 mph. Now that's cruisin! A few minutes
later I was over Apache Lake with Roosevelt Lake in the distance. (see
the two photos attached). During the Summer, boaters are buzzing the
lakes helter skelter, but today, not a sole was in sight.
North of the Payson, is the Mogollon Rim.... a sharply rising mountain
range extending East to West for many miles. It is a very popular escape
during the hot Summer months for desert rats in Phoenix and Tucson. For
now, it is capped in snow. (see photo).
About 60 miles or so North of Payson is Flagstaff. It is known for the
"San Francisco Peaks" reaching 12,633' skyward and the "Sunset Crater",
an extinct volcano. Most of the area is currently covered in snow and
the outside air temp at 10,500' was 10 degrees. Burrrrrr! As luck would
have it, I had to pee. Damn. I knew I would not make it to Page. I had
to make a decision...Flagstaff or Sedona? Since field elevation at
Flagstaff is 7014' and the temp was in the high teens, Sedona was my
choice. I cancelled Flight Following and my Flight Plan and redirected
to Sedona. I have attached two photos of Sedona...the first is just
South of town, (showing the San Francisco Peaks in the distance), and
the other is at the Sedona Airport.
Though Lake Powell will have to wait till another day, all is not lost,
for this has been a great day. I hope you enjoyed the trip as much as I
did.
Till the next adventure, happy flying!
Gary Pennington
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