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1. 05:11 AM - Re: Re: Flight to Lake Havasu---fueling (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
2. 06:18 AM - Re: Fueling (Hugh Sontag)
3. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Fueling (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
4. 06:56 AM - Re: Re: Fueling (Brian Whittingham)
5. 07:52 AM - Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! ()
6. 08:47 AM - Re: Re: Fueling (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
7. 10:13 AM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (Jim Langley)
8. 11:10 AM - Fw: (Jim Langley)
9. 04:28 PM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (GARY PENNINGTON)
10. 04:28 PM - Re: lake Havasu (GARY PENNINGTON)
11. 04:35 PM - Re: Lake Havasu Flight (GARY PENNINGTON)
12. 05:04 PM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (IFLYSMODEL@AOL.COM)
13. 06:34 PM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! ()
14. 08:08 PM - Re: Re: Fueling (Hugh Sontag)
15. 08:33 PM - Nice way yo finish off your panels (Jim Langley)
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| Subject: | Re: Flight to Lake Havasu---fueling |
In a message dated 2/24/2009 10:38:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
N1BZRich@aol.com writes:
No, Doug, I have never used anything but aviation fuel in any of my
airplanes. To me the extra trouble you have to go through to get it to the airport
and the worry that it might have ethanol in it is just not worth the potential
money saved. And it is getting almost impossible to find auto fuel without
ethanol. So I just call the truck or pull up to the self serve pump at the
airport if they have one.
Buz,
I think your strategy for fueling is a good one. But not all of us have
hangars at three airports and a fuel truck to tap!!
I think one of the appeals of either the Lightning or SkyRanger is the
ability to take a couple of 5 gal gas cans in your trunk and fill em up on your
way to the airport. You get nice fresh gas ( some avgas is getting long in
the tooth due to lack of sales) and cheap too. If you are careful, you can
avoid getting dirt or crud in the cans.
When you get to the Airport, just dump the cans in.... one in each wing!
Unless you will not have a passenger, then dump most in the right tank! That
gives you enough for a calm flight somewhere for a meal and back. Or enough
to make a couple goof-off flights if you are there all day. If you happened
to go further to a real airport, you can always top off with some 100LL to
make a nice blend.
Wipe her down, put her away and throw the gas cans back in your trunk. it
probably cost about $20 in fuel. Gives you the feeling of frugality in a
belt-tightening economy.
The versatility and economy of a Lightning means you can fly off a hard
surface with a fuel truck, or carry gas cans to a grass strip.
Frequent changing of the fuel filters and frequent draining of the low
points, particularly at the gascolater, should handle fuel contamination concerns.
It's all good.
Doug Koenigsberg
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I carry mogas to the airport and put it in my airplane through a "Mr. Funnel".
I has a screen that stops water, as well as any debris.
Hugh Sontag
>In a message dated 2/24/2009 10:38:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>N1BZRich@aol.com writes:
>
>No, Doug, I have never used anything but aviation fuel in any of my
>airplanes. To me the extra trouble you have to go through to get it
>to the airport and the worry that it might have ethanol in it is
>just not worth the potential money saved. And it is getting almost
>impossible to find auto fuel without ethanol. So I just call the
>truck or pull up to the self serve pump at the airport if they have
>one.
>
>
>Buz,
>
>I think your strategy for fueling is a good one. But not all of us
>have hangars at three airports and a fuel truck to tap!!
>
>I think one of the appeals of either the Lightning or SkyRanger is
>the ability to take a couple of 5 gal gas cans in your trunk and
>fill em up on your way to the airport. You get nice fresh gas (
>some avgas is getting long in the tooth due to lack of sales) and
>cheap too. If you are careful, you can avoid getting dirt or crud
>in the cans.
>
>When you get to the Airport, just dump the cans in.... one in each
>wing! Unless you will not have a passenger, then dump most in the
>right tank! That gives you enough for a calm flight somewhere for a
>meal and back. Or enough to make a couple goof-off flights if you
>are there all day. If you happened to go further to a real
>airport, you can always top off with some 100LL to make a nice blend.
>
>Wipe her down, put her away and throw the gas cans back in your
>trunk. it probably cost about $20 in fuel. Gives you the feeling
>of frugality in a belt-tightening economy.
>
>The versatility and economy of a Lightning means you can fly off a
>hard surface with a fuel truck, or carry gas cans to a grass strip.
>
>Frequent changing of the fuel filters and frequent draining of the
>low points, particularly at the gascolater, should handle fuel
>contamination concerns.
>
>It's all good.
>
>Doug Koenigsberg
>
>
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In a message dated 2/28/2009 9:18:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
fly.lightning@gmail.com writes:
I carry mogas to the airport and put it in my airplane through a "Mr.
Funnel".
I has a screen that stops water, as well as any debris.
Hugh Sontag
Even better yet!!
Doug
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You do have to be careful though. Depending on which airport you are at yo
u might not be able to bring in your own fuel. If you're at a grass strip
it's pretty much a sure thing. Small airports are usually pretty good=2C b
ut mid-sized airports and large airports it is generally a no-no and they c
an slap you with a hefty fine. Smyrna is a good example of a nice airport
=2C not huge=2C but an old military base that is a Class D airport where yo
u can't truck in your own gas. Sometimes it is due to an agreement with FB
O's on the field and other times it has to do with the insurance. (they mi
ght not pay if somebody is fueling a plane and it catches it and other airc
raft on fire) I think maybe it was Moontown? where an airplane caught on f
ire in the T hangars and burned up a few before they were able to stop the
progression. Just something to take into consideration when you pick a pla
ce to hangar your aircraft. For some it may be worth the extra cost to nev
er have to worry about fueling their own aircraft. For others they're goin
g to need the ability to put mogas in their aircraft. Don't get stuck in a
lease and then find out that you don't have what you thought you did. Bri
an W.
From: Kayberg@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Fueling
In a message dated 2/28/2009 9:18:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time=2C fly.ligh
tning@gmail.com writes:
I carry mogas to the airport and put it in my airplane through a "Mr. Funne
l".
I has a screen that stops water=2C as well as any debris.
Hugh Sontag
Even better yet!!
Doug
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| Subject: | Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! |
I will be in Lake Havasu the last weekend of April for the big Offshore Powerboat
race. Anyone planning to go too? I am very interested in seeing a lightning.
I have been unable to get away to travel to Gary's to see his. I am in So.
Ca. Gary, if you have nothing to do on Friday, April 24, and feel like flying
up to Havasu (or if you're not too far from there I could drive to you), I'd
love to see the plane. You see I'm pretty sure I want to hoin your fraternity
and build one, but I'm not sure I will fit. I'm 6'4 and #280! Your thoughts?
--
Have a blessed day!
Scott C. Arden
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Hi Doug and Hugh,
Good points and info on auto fuel usage. Actually, I did occasionally
use it in my Cessna 170 a few times many years ago, but I had an STC for doing
that and also used a water filter / screen funnel like Hugh is talking
about. No problems, but never did take it to high altitude on a hot day. Of
course that was the days before ethanol in auto fuel. But I am wondering if you
are able to find auto fuel without ethanol in today's world without really
searching it out. That is a problem here in VA. Also, are you checking for
any ethanol or the amount of ethanol by using one of the EAA's alcohol test
kits? Just curious.
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| Subject: | Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! |
Scott;
I am 6'-2" with a very tall torso, (my legs are 31"), and I fit fine in mine.
On 2/28/09, scottarden@cox.net <scottarden@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I will be in Lake Havasu the last weekend of April for the big Offshore
> Powerboat race. Anyone planning to go too? I am very interested in seeing
> a lightning. I have been unable to get away to travel to Gary's to see his.
> I am in So. Ca. Gary, if you have nothing to do on Friday, April 24, and
> feel like flying up to Havasu (or if you're not too far from there I could
> drive to you), I'd love to see the plane. You see I'm pretty sure I want to
> hoin your fraternity and build one, but I'm not sure I will fit. I'm 6'4
> and #280! Your thoughts?
> --
> Have a blessed day!
> Scott C. Arden
>
>
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Here is a quick pic of the MGL Voyager, Dynon (brite screen option),
and AvMap. In real life, the Dynon appears to be a tiny bit brighter,
but the Voyager is clearer.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Greg Crouchley <crouchley@mac.com>
Subject:
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| Subject: | Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! |
Hello Scott
Is Havasu big enough for Offshore Power Boats? I would love to see the
races! Also, the scenery will be outstanding! I will seriously consider
flying out there.
If you've read any of my responses on this site, you may remember my
philosophies ... 1) "nothing is perfect" and 2) "everything is a
compromise". That said, "It depends". You have obviously investigated
the Lightning, I assume you like the looks...most people do. It is a
great looking plane and generates lots of interest wherever you go.
Everywhere I fly, at least one person will comment on how good it looks.
Most people think it is a "Lancair". My response is...."No, Lancairs are
much slower". Just kidding.
Anyway, I am 6'3" and weigh 195 lbs. I cut and lowered my seat pan 1"
which gave me a little more head room. I fit nicely in the seat and it
is very comfortable. If you are 280, you will be snug. I suggest you
visit Greg Hobbs in Marana, Arizona for demo flight or go to Tennessee.
Shoulder room is adequate. Adjustable rudder peddles are handy.
Here is some data on my Lightning. I hope it helps in your decision:
1) Cruise speed @ 2850 rpm @ 7000': 133 +/- IAS, 145 TAS (Note: I
have read reports from other builders that they achieve
170 mph from
their planes. I don't know how they managed it. I wish I knew. Maybe it
is at full
throttle.)
2) Fuel used: Premium Auto Fuel or AvGas
3) Fuel consumption: 3.9 to 4.5 gals/hour (Note: It burns more
AvGas that auto fuel)
4) Rate of climb: (depending on atmospheric conditions) 900-1300
fpm with just me in the plane
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: scottarden@cox.net<mailto:scottarden@cox.net>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:52 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary!
<scottarden@cox.net<mailto:scottarden@cox.net>>
I will be in Lake Havasu the last weekend of April for the big
Offshore Powerboat race. Anyone planning to go too? I am very
interested in seeing a lightning. I have been unable to get away to
travel to Gary's to see his. I am in So. Ca. Gary, if you have nothing
to do on Friday, April 24, and feel like flying up to Havasu (or if
you're not too far from there I could drive to you), I'd love to see the
plane. You see I'm pretty sure I want to hoin your fraternity and build
one, but I'm not sure I will fit. I'm 6'4 and #280! Your thoughts?
--
Have a blessed day!
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Good Lord!
Gary
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Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:05 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: lake Havasu
Thanks for the pictures Gary, they really are very good and quiet
spectacular from our point of view. I enjoy following you on my Rand
McNally along with your photos.
As for your fuel prices, I just wish, we are $1.55 per Li =($5.90
per gal) and going up next month.
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| Subject: | Re: Lake Havasu Flight |
Hey Clive
Here in Tucson, Arizona, Premium Auto Fuel is currently around $2.02 per
gallon. Yes, we are spoiled. However, a few months ago, it was almost
$4.00 per gallon.
Happy flying.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: James, Clive R<mailto:clive.james@uk.bp.com>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:22 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lake Havasu Flight
<clive.james@uk.bp.com<mailto:clive.james@uk.bp.com>>
Guys, can you hold on sharing the fuel prices, you're making me
cry.....
In the UK mogas is $6.26 a gallon and Avgas $8.85
The difference in the price of mogas and avgas in the UK is what you
pay
for a gallon......
Why are any of you guys on the ground?
What's Mogas a gallon?
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From:
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Whittingham
Sent: 27 February 2009 23:49
To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lake Havasu Flight
Gary,
Mention that you saw that add on Airnav to the linemen at
Shelbyvill
and you could get it there for $2.84/gallon! Not bad for east of the
Mississippi. Brian W.
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To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Lightning-List: Lake Havasu Flight
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:12:27 -0700
Wow! Avgas in Lake Havasu is now $2.75 per gallon! What a deal.
Yes, it was another great day in Southern Arizona. And, another great
flight to Havasu....except for the 29 mph headwind from Buckeye to
Havasu. When approaching the Harcuvar Mountains, I descended from
7500'
to 6500' in an attempt to find better conditions and was blessed with
a
19 mph headwind. Of course, there is a bright side, on the return trip
I
enjoyed a 32 mph tailwind at 8500'.
By the way, I now have 100.3 hours on my bird.
I've attached three photos. The first photo is the Nuclear Power Plant
Northwest of Buckeye. The second is Parker Dam at the Southern end of
Lake Havasu and the third is Lake Havasu looking South after takeoff
on
runway 32 and turning left crosswind.
Havasu is a nice community with all the modern conveniences where
approximately 50,000 people live. Each time I visit, I enjoy it more.
I hope you like the pics. Have a great day.
Gary Pennington
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| Subject: | Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! |
Hey Gary: My numbers come close to yours. I question your airspeed
indication. If you are 7000 feet you should get an additional 21 mph TAS over
indicated on a standard day. If you are reporting those numbers on a hot Arizona
day,
then your density altitude was probably much higher than 7000. Here in
Florida at 2000' today (altimeter 3007 temp 60) this morning I was indicating
133
on 2650 RPM with a true of 140 mph burning 4.2 gph. Not as fast as a Lancair,
but looking just as good. I too get lots of comments from people where ever
I fly about how great the airplane looks. The rest of my numbers go along
pretty well with yours.
Lynn Nelsen
In a message dated 2/28/2009 7:29:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pennington@q.com writes:
Hello Scott
Is Havasu big enough for Offshore Power Boats? I would love to see the
races! Also, the scenery will be outstanding! I will seriously consider flying
out
there.
If you've read any of my responses on this site, you may remember my
philosophies ... 1) "nothing is perfect" and 2) "everything is a compromise".
That
said, "It depends". You have obviously investigated the Lightning, I assume
you like the looks...most people do. It is a great looking plane and generates
lots of interest wherever you go. Everywhere I fly, at least one person will
comment on how good it looks. Most people think it is a "Lancair". My
response is...."No, Lancairs are much slower". Just kidding.
Anyway, I am 6'3" and weigh 195 lbs. I cut and lowered my seat pan 1" which
gave me a little more head room. I fit nicely in the seat and it is very
comfortable. If you are 280, you will be snug. I suggest you visit Greg Hobbs
in
Marana, Arizona for demo flight or go to Tennessee. Shoulder room is
adequate. Adjustable rudder peddles are handy.
Here is some data on my Lightning. I hope it helps in your decision:
1) Cruise speed @ 2850 rpm @ 7000': 133 +/- IAS, 145 TAS (Note: I
have read reports from other builders that they achieve
170 mph from their
planes. I don't know how they managed it. I wish I knew. Maybe it
is at full
throttle.)
2) Fuel used: Premium Auto Fuel or AvGas
3) Fuel consumption: 3.9 to 4.5 gals/hour (Note: It burns more AvGas
that auto fuel)
4) Rate of climb: (depending on atmospheric conditions) 900-1300 fpm
with just me in the plane
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: _scottarden@cox.net_ (mailto:scottarden@cox.net)
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:52 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary!
(mailto:scottarden@cox.net) >
I will be in Lake Havasu the last weekend of April for the big Offshore
Powerboat race. Anyone planning to go too? I am very interested in seeing a
lightning. I have been unable to get away to travel to Gary's to see his. I
am in So. Ca. Gary, if you have nothing to do on Friday, April 24, and feel
like flying up to Havasu (or if you're not too far from there I could drive to
you), I'd love to see the plane. You see I'm pretty sure I want to hoin
your fraternity and build one, but I'm not sure I will fit. I'm 6'4 and #280!
Your thoughts?
--
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| Subject: | Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! |
Yes, Havasu is plenty big for the boats. This will be our 2nd year there fot this
evevt. Big weekend! Poker run on Friday, Speed shootout on Sat and Offshores
on Sundat. To kick things off, there is a Huge street party on Thurs night.
GREAT weekend! Let me know if you will make it! Scottarden@cox.net
--
Have a blessed day!
Scott C. Arden
---- GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> wrote:
> Hello Scott
>
> Is Havasu big enough for Offshore Power Boats? I would love to see the races!
Also, the scenery will be outstanding! I will seriously consider flying out there.
>
> If you've read any of my responses on this site, you may remember my philosophies
... 1) "nothing is perfect" and 2) "everything is a compromise". That said,
"It depends". You have obviously investigated the Lightning, I assume you like
the looks...most people do. It is a great looking plane and generates lots
of interest wherever you go. Everywhere I fly, at least one person will comment
on how good it looks. Most people think it is a "Lancair". My response is...."No,
Lancairs are much slower". Just kidding.
>
> Anyway, I am 6'3" and weigh 195 lbs. I cut and lowered my seat pan 1" which gave
me a little more head room. I fit nicely in the seat and it is very comfortable.
If you are 280, you will be snug. I suggest you visit Greg Hobbs in Marana,
Arizona for demo flight or go to Tennessee. Shoulder room is adequate. Adjustable
rudder peddles are handy.
>
> Here is some data on my Lightning. I hope it helps in your decision:
>
> 1) Cruise speed @ 2850 rpm @ 7000': 133 +/- IAS, 145 TAS (Note: I have
read reports from other builders that they achieve
> 170 mph from their
planes. I don't know how they managed it. I wish I knew. Maybe it
> is at full throttle.)
> 2) Fuel used: Premium Auto Fuel or AvGas
> 3) Fuel consumption: 3.9 to 4.5 gals/hour (Note: It burns more AvGas that
auto fuel)
> 4) Rate of climb: (depending on atmospheric conditions) 900-1300 fpm with
just me in the plane
>
> Gary Pennington
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: scottarden@cox.net<mailto:scottarden@cox.net>
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:52 AM
> Subject: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary!
>
>
>
> I will be in Lake Havasu the last weekend of April for the big Offshore Powerboat
race. Anyone planning to go too? I am very interested in seeing a lightning.
I have been unable to get away to travel to Gary's to see his. I am
in So. Ca. Gary, if you have nothing to do on Friday, April 24, and feel like
flying up to Havasu (or if you're not too far from there I could drive to you),
I'd love to see the plane. You see I'm pretty sure I want to hoin your fraternity
and build one, but I'm not sure I will fit. I'm 6'4 and #280! Your thoughts?
> --
> Have a blessed day!
> Scott C. Arden
>
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I've been buying premium auto fuel without ethanol, which is
available at a select few gas stations here in Minnesota.
I don't test for ethanol in this fuel.
I learned this summer that Phil Lockwood is saying that there isn't a
problem with using 10% ethanol in Rotax 912 engines. I don't have a
Lightning at this point, I have a Tornado II with a 912.
Lockwood is the biggest repair center for Rotax engines in the U.S.
I'm thinking that I may stop buying the premium auto fuel and just
burn ethanol-blended gasoline. On the other hand, the cost
differential is only 25 cents, so it's not a big deal either way for
me.
Hugh
>Hi Doug and Hugh,
> Good points and info on auto fuel usage. Actually, I did
>occasionally use it in my Cessna 170 a few times many years ago, but
>I had an STC for doing that and also used a water filter / screen
>funnel like Hugh is talking about. No problems, but never did take
>it to high altitude on a hot day. Of course that was the days
>before ethanol in auto fuel. But I am wondering if you are able to
>find auto fuel without ethanol in today's world without really
>searching it out. That is a problem here in VA. Also, are you
>checking for any ethanol or the amount of ethanol by using one of
>the EAA's alcohol test kits? Just curious.
>Buz
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| Subject: | Nice way yo finish off your panels |
I don't know if any of you have used the RustOleum American Accents
products, but the Sand Stone and Stone Spray lines are VERY cool for adding
that "different" look and "feel" to your panel box AND panel face.
I sprayed my panel box with the sand stone grey and the panel face with the
stone (Black Granite). What is cool about the stone spray is that you can
vary the final color by using a different color primer.
Buz; I'm going to send you a write up with pictures on this for the
newsletter. It is an inexpensive way to finish a VERY nice panel, and if
you clear coat it, the panel is pretty durable.
Jim!
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