---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/03/09: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:26 AM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (Kayberg@aol.com) 2. 05:09 AM - Re: Lake Havasu Flight (GARY PENNINGTON) 3. 05:10 AM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (GARY PENNINGTON) 4. 05:52 AM - Night flight (GARY PENNINGTON) 5. 06:02 AM - Re: Night flight (Jim Langley) 6. 06:24 AM - Re: Night flight (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS) 7. 06:33 AM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (flylightning) 8. 06:33 AM - Re: Night flight (flylightning) 9. 07:26 AM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (Wayne Lenox) 10. 09:26 AM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 11. 11:04 AM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (IFLYSMODEL@aol.com) 12. 11:20 AM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (flylightning) 13. 11:37 AM - Re: Night flight (GARY PENNINGTON) 14. 01:41 PM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (Wayne Lenox) 15. 02:09 PM - Forgot to ask (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 16. 03:19 PM - Re: Forgot to ask (flylightning) 17. 03:36 PM - Re: Forgot to ask (ryan@greenlandings.com) 18. 03:41 PM - Re: Night flight (Brian Whittingham) 19. 03:45 PM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (Brian Whittingham) 20. 05:18 PM - Re: Forgot to ask (n5pb@AOL.COM) 21. 06:07 PM - Re: Night flight (Benjamin Smith) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:54 AM PST US From: Kayberg@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! In a message dated 3/2/2009 10:23:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, N1BZRich@aol.com writes: I do not see the speeds you have. These latest speeds are with the 62FK60 prop and more than likely you have a 63FK58 prop. Buz ALL, Just a comment about Buz's speeds. Or Nick's for that matter. If you have see his bird, you will understand that it has near perfect fit and finish. Nothing hangs out in the air causing a disturbance. The evidence for that is related to the rpms he is turning to get those speeds. Not only is he running a prop with a lot of pitch, but he is also able to turn it up to 3300 rpms at WOT and altitude. My observation is that it is easy to get a less that perfect fit of wing to fuselage, sloppy fairings and mis-fited wheel pants. All that makes a difference. Further evidence is that he has Esqual wing which is slower and has higher lift at low speeds than the Lightning wing....or at least what I have observed. Pardon me for repeating this, but I think the prop selection has even more to do with speed... I think it is possible to get a 10-15mph speed variation just by having a slightly miss-matched prop. I would further note that Buz's solid lifter engine is well broken in!! I think it can take 100 hours of proper break-in to get the compressions up and even. All that makes a difference also. Not to mention that he is running 100LL. Perhaps at economy settings, mogas will deliver economy, but I doubt it will deliver the POWER. Fuel flow varies depending on where the carb needles are positioned and the set up of the jetting. Buz and Nick have carefully matched the jetting to the prop. In my opinion, the max speeds possible in a Lightning are achieved with some serious tweeking and serious attention to detail, AFTER achieving max performance with engine and prop. If you are mostly a fun pilot who makes short runs on weekends as a stress reliever, some obsession with max speeds may be counter-productive. doug koenigsberg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:58 AM PST US From: "GARY PENNINGTON" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lake Havasu Flight Good morning Wayne I use auto fuel with ethanol. I buy it at Costco. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Lenox To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lake Havasu Flight Gary Where do you buy Mogas with out Alcohol? In Maricopa county we have alcohol in all gas. Wayne -- "GARY PENNINGTON" > wrote: Hello Doug No, the hose I use is 1" ID rubber fuel hose. The same hose used at gas stations. As I noted before, the filter is a canister type fuel filter. Looks like a large oil filter. It may also interest you to know that I installed a ground wire to be used when fueling. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Kayberg@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:13 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lake Havasu Flight In a message dated 3/1/2009 9:03:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pennington@q.com writes: Now, it is important to note that I carry a 55 gallon plastic barrel in the back of my truck for fuel. I installed a hand crank pump and 30' fuel hose with a really good filter attached. The filter is a canister type that separates water if there is any. I hope it is the METAL canister type. A resident of Green Landings had a clear plastic filter on his fuel hose that had a replaceable element. Tho it had given some years of service, when ethanol came along with the Amoco fuel, the plastic got soft and then cracked open. Since it was hooked to an electrically driven pump, there was a period of drama with gasoline being sprayed about the hangar. My opinion is that careful thought and observation should be given to the components of a fuel system these days, particularly since ethanol can bring a variety of problems. I think hoses, filters and the fuel itself should be carefully inspected frequently. Doug Koenigsberg title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ist">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List tronics.com www.matronics.com/contribution ____________________________________________________________ Start a Web Site! Hosting for only $3.95/mo. Free setup! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:10:49 AM PST US From: "GARY PENNINGTON" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! Hello Buz I believe you are correct. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! In a message dated 3/2/2009 10:23:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, N1BZRich@aol.com writes: more than likely you have a 63FK58 prop. Typo - meant to type 62FK58. A 62 diameter, not 63. Buz ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Need a job? Find employment help in your area. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:40 AM PST US From: "GARY PENNINGTON" Subject: Lightning-List: Night flight Good morning fellow flyers Last night I introduced my Lightning to Night Flight. All went well. I departed Marana Airport at around 6:00 pm and the air was incredibly smooth! Nary a bobble. I flew East over the valley to the Catalina Mountains and then North and West around the Tortolita Mountains. The sun was setting which cast shadows behind the rocky outcroppings. The giant Saguaro Cactus cast long shadows like pointing fingers indicating the end of another day. City lights began to twinkle like Christmas Tree lights. After the sun said goodbye, I headed back to the airport for full stop landings, (six in all). I clicked my microphone switch seven times and watched while the runway lights came alive. Pretty cool stuff. This was a good time to become current again for carrying passengers at night. The air was smooth and calm, the landings were good and life is great. One word of caution. If you plan on using your landing lights to illuminate the runway....don't. I installed lights in both wings. They are worthless. Thank goodness for runway edge lights! I hope your day is great. Gary Pennington ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Night flight From: Jim Langley What about installing a landing light in the cowling? I never liked the wing lights as much as the ones in the cowl. I think Linda has one in her cowl? Jim! On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:51 AM, GARY PENNINGTON wrote: > Good morning fellow flyers > > Last night I introduced my Lightning to Night Flight. All went well. > > I departed Marana Airport at around 6:00 pm and the air was incredibly > smooth! Nary a bobble. I flew East over the valley to the Catalina > Mountains and then North and West around the Tortolita Mountains. The sun > was setting which cast shadows behind the rocky outcroppings. The giant > Saguaro Cactus cast long shadows like pointing fingers indicating the end of > another day. City lights began to twinkle like Christmas Tree lights. > > After the sun said goodbye, I headed back to the airport for full stop > landings, (six in all). I clicked my microphone switch seven times and > watched while the runway lights came alive. Pretty cool stuff. This was a > good time to become current again for carrying passengers at night. The air > was smooth and calm, the landings were good and life is great. > > One word of caution. If you plan on using your landing lights to > illuminate the runway....don't. I installed lights in both wings. They are > worthless. Thank goodness for runway edge lights! > > I hope your day is great. > > Gary Pennington > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:29 AM PST US From: "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Night flight Jim, You are right; it is slightly left of center on the bottom cowl. I have only done one night flight with it but it seemed to work well. I may have an opportunity to test it further in the next couple weeks. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Langley To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Night flight What about installing a landing light in the cowling? I never liked the wing lights as much as the ones in the cowl. I think Linda has one in her cowl? Jim! On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:51 AM, GARY PENNINGTON wrote: Good morning fellow flyers Last night I introduced my Lightning to Night Flight. All went well. I departed Marana Airport at around 6:00 pm and the air was incredibly smooth! Nary a bobble. I flew East over the valley to the Catalina Mountains and then North and West around the Tortolita Mountains. The sun was setting which cast shadows behind the rocky outcroppings. The giant Saguaro Cactus cast long shadows like pointing fingers indicating the end of another day. City lights began to twinkle like Christmas Tree lights. After the sun said goodbye, I headed back to the airport for full stop landings, (six in all). I clicked my microphone switch seven times and watched while the runway lights came alive. Pretty cool stuff. This was a good time to become current again for carrying passengers at night. The air was smooth and calm, the landings were good and life is great. One word of caution. If you plan on using your landing lights to illuminate the runway....don't. I installed lights in both wings. They are worthless. Thank goodness for runway edge lights! I hope your day is great. Gary Pennington " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 03/01/09 17:46:00 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:59 AM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! Perfect fit and finish is a must but if you have seen either garys or waynes they are darn close, real good looking aircraft. I hate to throw a wrench into your theory but the prototype, again with many hours on her and a solid lifter engine. Is equipped with buddys old wood prop that we could only get 2550 or 2600 on takeoff with his, easily turns to 2800-2900 on take off by the prototype. Speeds above 150 IAS are easy at 5k. A lightning which just went home to FL was running 162TAS @ 8k with 2950 turning. Those are performance numbers we got before it left and what it was running on the way down. nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kayberg@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:26 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! In a message dated 3/2/2009 10:23:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, N1BZRich@aol.com writes: I do not see the speeds you have. These latest speeds are with the 62FK60 prop and more than likely you have a 63FK58 prop. Buz ALL, Just a comment about Buz's speeds. Or Nick's for that matter. If you have see his bird, you will understand that it has near perfect fit and finish. Nothing hangs out in the air causing a disturbance. The evidence for that is related to the rpms he is turning to get those speeds. Not only is he running a prop with a lot of pitch, but he is also able to turn it up to 3300 rpms at WOT and altitude. My observation is that it is easy to get a less that perfect fit of wing to fuselage, sloppy fairings and mis-fited wheel pants. All that makes a difference. Further evidence is that he has Esqual wing which is slower and has higher lift at low speeds than the Lightning wing....or at least what I have observed. Pardon me for repeating this, but I think the prop selection has even more to do with speed... I think it is possible to get a 10-15mph speed variation just by having a slightly miss-matched prop. I would further note that Buz's solid lifter engine is well broken in!! I think it can take 100 hours of proper break-in to get the compressions up and even. All that makes a difference also. Not to mention that he is running 100LL. Perhaps at economy settings, mogas will deliver economy, but I doubt it will deliver the POWER. Fuel flow varies depending on where the carb needles are positioned and the set up of the jetting. Buz and Nick have carefully matched the jetting to the prop. In my opinion, the max speeds possible in a Lightning are achieved with some serious tweeking and serious attention to detail, AFTER achieving max performance with engine and prop. If you are mostly a fun pilot who makes short runs on weekends as a stress reliever, some obsession with max speeds may be counter-productive. doug koenigsberg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:59 AM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Night flight Gary, I have got a customer here that can change your mind on the light, I will ask if he will post (bill Please Post) about his lights he just stuck in the factory pocket. I bet you will only need one, and with 2 they will be able to see you in flagstaff!! I am not kidding. Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:52 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Night flight Good morning fellow flyers Last night I introduced my Lightning to Night Flight. All went well. I departed Marana Airport at around 6:00 pm and the air was incredibly smooth! Nary a bobble. I flew East over the valley to the Catalina Mountains and then North and West around the Tortolita Mountains. The sun was setting which cast shadows behind the rocky outcroppings. The giant Saguaro Cactus cast long shadows like pointing fingers indicating the end of another day. City lights began to twinkle like Christmas Tree lights. After the sun said goodbye, I headed back to the airport for full stop landings, (six in all). I clicked my microphone switch seven times and watched while the runway lights came alive. Pretty cool stuff. This was a good time to become current again for carrying passengers at night. The air was smooth and calm, the landings were good and life is great. One word of caution. If you plan on using your landing lights to illuminate the runway....don't. I installed lights in both wings. They are worthless. Thank goodness for runway edge lights! I hope your day is great. Gary Pennington ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:51 AM PST US From: "Wayne Lenox" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! Buz Yes 62FK58. Did you loose much climb performance with the extra pitch? My cruse speed is in the high 140's or Low 150's MPH TAS. 2850RPM and 5.5 GPH. Wayne -- N1BZRich@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/2/2009 10:23:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, N1BZRic h@aol.com writes:more than likely you have a 63FK58 prop.Typo - meant to type 62FK58. A 62 diameter, not 63.Buz ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== === ____________________________________________________________ Click here to save cash and find low rates on auto loans. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTLaW0d3AYDlvL4BvKBiWrM yOXbYzGglPA9hOmHSQtnNLx3VJKJUTe/ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:36 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! In a message dated 3/3/2009 10:27:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, waynelenox@juno.com writes: Yes 62FK58. Did you loose much climb performance with the extra pitch? My cruse speed is in the high 140's or Low 150's MPH TAS. 2850RPM and 5.5 GPH. Hi Wayne, Assuming your numbers are at 5000' density altitude, here are 5000' DA numbers at 2850 rpm with the two props: 2850 rpm 64ZK55 = 150 MPH, true airspeed burning 4.8 gph 62FK60 = 158 MPH, true airspeed burning 5.6 gph Take off roll is not much longer with the 60 inch pitch. In fact, I have never had a takeoff roll longer than about 700 to 800' even on a 100 degree day at gross weight. Takeoff roll rpm is about the same with both props. Climb rate is only slightly lower with the 60 inch pitch when I hole either 100 mph or 115 mph. Both speeds give me about 1200 feet per minute at gross weight. However, climb rpm with the 60 inch pitch prop is about 2600 vice the 2700 I get with the ZK prop. The 2700 rpm is better because it is closer to the power curve of the engine, but as I mentioned the 60 prop gives about the same climb even when at the slightly slower rpm in the climb. One other thought - since I normally set 6 gph cruise speed when on a long cross country here is what that does with both props - numbers still at 5000 even though I normally am higher when XC. 6 GPH 64ZK55 = 157, and that is at 2980 rpm 62FK60 = 162, and that is at 2880 rpm NOTE: These speeds go up 2 to 3 mph as fuel is burned down at he end of a four hour flight. Buz **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:31 AM PST US From: IFLYSMODEL@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! Hey Buz: What should we see as take off RPM? Lynn **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:13 AM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! 2650-2750 on a lightning. nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of IFLYSMODEL@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 1:03 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! Hey Buz: What should we see as take off RPM? Lynn _____ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See p:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID% 3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62> yours in just 2 easy steps! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:19 AM PST US From: "GARY PENNINGTON" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Night flight Yeah! I'm all for it! Please let me know. Thanks Nick Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: flylightning To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:30 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Night flight Gary, I have got a customer here that can change your mind on the light, I will ask if he will post (bill Please Post) about his lights he just stuck in the factory pocket. I bet you will only need one, and with 2 they will be able to see you in flagstaff!! I am not kidding. Nick ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:52 AM To: lightning-list Subject: Lightning-List: Night flight Good morning fellow flyers Last night I introduced my Lightning to Night Flight. All went well. I departed Marana Airport at around 6:00 pm and the air was incredibly smooth! Nary a bobble. I flew East over the valley to the Catalina Mountains and then North and West around the Tortolita Mountains. The sun was setting which cast shadows behind the rocky outcroppings. The giant Saguaro Cactus cast long shadows like pointing fingers indicating the end of another day. City lights began to twinkle like Christmas Tree lights. After the sun said goodbye, I headed back to the airport for full stop landings, (six in all). I clicked my microphone switch seven times and watched while the runway lights came alive. Pretty cool stuff. This was a good time to become current again for carrying passengers at night. The air was smooth and calm, the landings were good and life is great. One word of caution. If you plan on using your landing lights to illuminate the runway....don't. I installed lights in both wings. They are worthless. Thank goodness for runway edge lights! I hope your day is great. Gary Pennington http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:40 PM PST US From: "Wayne Lenox" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! Thanks Buz The 60 inch pitch prop sure makes a difference. However I set a little l ess FF. 5.5 GPH. Wayne -- N1BZRich@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/3/2009 10:27:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, waynele nox@juno.com writes:Yes 62FK58. Did you loose much climb performance wi th the extra pitch? My cruse speed is in the high 140's or Low 150's MP H TAS. 2850RPM and 5.5 GPH. Hi Wayne, Assuming your numbers are at 5000' density altitude, here a re 5000' DA numbers at 2850 rpm with the two props:2850 rpm64ZK55 = 15 0 MPH, true airspeed burning 4.8 gph 62FK60 = 158 MPH, true airspeed b urning 5.6 gph Take off roll is not much longer with the 60 inch pitch. In fact, I have never had a takeoff roll longer than about 700 to 800' even on a 100 degree day at gross weight. Takeoff roll rpm is about the same with both props. Climb rate is only slightly lower with the 60 i nch pitch when I hole either 100 mph or 115 mph. Both speeds give me ab out 1200 feet per minute at gross weight. However, climb rpm with the 6 0 inch pitch prop is about 2600 vice the 2700 I get with the ZK prop. T he 2700 rpm is better because it is closer to the power curve of the eng ine, but as I mentioned the 60 prop gives about the same climb even when at the slightly slower rpm in the climb. One other thought - since I normally set 6 gph cruise speed when on a long cross country here is wha t that does with both props - numbers still at 5000 even though I normal ly am higher when XC. 6 GPH64ZK55 = 157, and that is at 2980 rpm 62FK6 0 = 162, and that is at 2880 rpmNOTE: These speeds go up 2 to 3 mph a s fuel is burned down at he end of a four hour flight. Buz ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== === ____________________________________________________________ Rock Solid Web Hosting. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTJQdPA6nqTtX2XQ76C8PIg X3uMiKAl6L6AMRs77ws8oHefat0f2CE/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:38 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Lightning-List: Forgot to ask All, I keep forgetting to ask - Has anyone experienced the Lightning Laugh recently? I suspect that Gary has, as he has been telling us about some of his fun flights in Arizona. Are you still laughing, Gary? And probably Lynn and Bear have as well, since they are in Florida. But it sure has been darn cold here on the east coast. So is anyone else experiencing that Lightning laugh every time you fly your Lightning? Better than an RV grin? Or a "store bought C, P or B" grimace? When you get done laughing, send me some works for the next newsletter. I am starting on the next issue of the newsletter now, since it is below freezing even during the warmest part of the day for a while. So get busy and give me something to do involving writing about flying. Blue Skies (but damn cold), Buz **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:55 PM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Forgot to ask Nope not this week, too cold and snow on Sunday, I did taxi down to the breakfast on saturday in the rain...only plane there but it needed a bath any ways nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Forgot to ask All, I keep forgetting to ask - Has anyone experienced the Lightning Laugh recently? I suspect that Gary has, as he has been telling us about some of his fun flights in Arizona. Are you still laughing, Gary? And probably Lynn and Bear have as well, since they are in Florida. But it sure has been darn cold here on the east coast. So is anyone else experiencing that Lightning laugh every time you fly your Lightning? Better than an RV grin? Or a "store bought C, P or B" grimace? When you get done laughing, send me some works for the next newsletter. I am starting on the next issue of the newsletter now, since it is below freezing even during the warmest part of the day for a while. So get busy and give me something to do involving writing about flying. Blue Skies (but damn cold), Buz _____ Need a job? Find employment help in your area. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Forgot to ask From: ryan@greenlandings.com SGF2ZW4ndCBzZWVuIG11Y2ggZmx5aW5nIGF0IEdyZWVuIExhbmRpbmdzLiBXZSBzaG91bGQgc2Vl IENoYXJsaWUgS2VpdGhzIExpZ2h0bmluZyBtYWtlIGl0cyBmaXJzdCBmbGlnaHQgaW4gdGhlIG5l eHQgZmV3IHdlZWtzLiBXZSBhcmUgd2FpdGluZyBvbiBhbiBpbnRlcmlvciBhbmQgc29tZSB3YXJt ZXIgd2VhdGhlci4gVGhlIGZyZWV6aW5nIHRlbXBzIGFuZCBzdHJvbmcgd2luZHMgd2lsbCBub3Qg Z2l2ZSB1cCB0aGlzIHdpbnRlci4NCg0KUnlhbg0KR3JlZW4gTGFuZGluZ3MgRmxpZ2h0IENlbnRl cg0KU2VudCBvbiB0aGUgTm93IE5ldHdvcmuZIGZyb20gbXkgU3ByaW50wq4gQmxhY2tCZXJyeQ0K DQotLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogImZseWxpZ2h0bmluZyIgPGluZm9A Zmx5bGlnaHRuaW5nLm5ldD4NCg0KRGF0ZTogVHVlLCAzIE1hciAyMDA5IDE3OjE5OjA0IA0KVG86 IDxsaWdodG5pbmctbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPg0KU3ViamVjdDogUkU6IExpZ2h0bmluZy1M aXN0OiBGb3Jnb3QgdG8gYXNrDQoNCg0KVGhpcyBpcyBhIG11bHRpLXBhcnQgbWVzc2FnZSBpbiBN SU1FIGZvcm1hdC4NCg0K ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:18 PM PST US From: Brian Whittingham Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Night flight Gary=2C Is it possible that it's your angle that the lights are mounted? I reme mber seeing buzz during the day when he'd turn his on and it looked like an airliner (albeit much smaller) coming in. Alot of the new LED Bulbs seem to be much brighter and use less energy than their older counterparts. Bri an W. From: pennington@q.com Subject: Lightning-List: Night flight Good morning fellow flyers Last night I introduced my Lightning to Night Flight. All went well. I departed Marana Airport at around 6:00 pm and the air was incredibly smoo th! Nary a bobble. I flew East over the valley to the Catalina Mountains an d then North and West around the Tortolita Mountains. The sun was setting w hich cast shadows behind the rocky outcroppings. The giant Saguaro Cactus c ast long shadows like pointing fingers indicating the end of another day. C ity lights began to twinkle like Christmas Tree lights. After the sun said goodbye=2C I headed back to the airport for full stop la ndings=2C (six in all). I clicked my microphone switch seven times and watc hed while the runway lights came alive. Pretty cool stuff. This was a good time to become current again for carrying passengers at night. The air was smooth and calm=2C the landings were good and life is great. One word of caution. If you plan on using your landing lights to illuminat e the runway....don't. I installed lights in both wings. They are worthless . Thank goodness for runway edge lights! I hope your day is great. Gary Pennington _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_03200 9 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:56 PM PST US From: Brian Whittingham Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! I believe that in Greg's plane we got high 140's=2C 2950 RPM at 10k and bur ning 6.5Gph. There were some fuel issues though. We had a stuck sump whic h was pouring for half the flight and there were some jetting issues. Bria n W. From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you=2C Gary! In a message dated 3/3/2009 10:27:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time=2C waynelen ox@juno.com writes: Yes 62FK58. Did you loose much climb performance with the extra pitch? My cruse speed is in the high 140's or Low 150's MPH TAS. 2850RPM and 5.5 GP H. Hi Wayne=2C Assuming your numbers are at 5000' density altitude=2C here are 5000' D A numbers at 2850 rpm with the two props: 2850 rpm 64ZK55 = 150 MPH=2C true airspeed burning 4.8 gph 62FK60 = 158 MPH=2C true airspeed burning 5.6 gph Take off roll is not much longer with the 60 inch pitch. In fact=2C I have never had a takeoff roll longer than about 700 to 800' even on a 100 degre e day at gross weight. Takeoff roll rpm is about the same with both props. Climb rate is only slightly lower with the 60 inch pitch when I hole either 100 mph or 115 mph. Both speeds give me about 1200 feet per minute at gro ss weight. However=2C climb rpm with the 60 inch pitch prop is about 2600 vice the 2700 I get with the ZK prop. The 2700 rpm is better because it is closer to the power curve of the engine=2C but as I mentioned the 60 prop gives about the same climb even when at the slightly slower rpm in the clim b. One other thought - since I normally set 6 gph cruise speed when on a long cross country here is what that does with both props - numbers still at 500 0 even though I normally am higher when XC. 6 GPH 64ZK55 = 157=2C and that is at 2980 rpm 62FK60 = 162=2C and that is at 2880 rpm NOTE: These speeds go up 2 to 3 mph as fuel is burned down at he end of a four hour flight. Buz Need a job? Find employment help in your area. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_03200 9 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Forgot to ask From: n5pb@AOL.COM Buz, I'm kind of laughing....I did fly my first flight in N82PB since she's been in florida this past saturday ...a nice 1 hour flight before the front moved through...a little rough below 2K, but above?2k hands off, auto pilot off and she flew straight as an arrow.? a great little bird and FAST...Oh and why am I laughing...not only did I get to fly....but I HAD to mow the grass too! Blue skies; green grass... Bear -----Original Message----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com Sent: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 5:08 pm Subject: Lightning-List: Forgot to ask All, ????I keep forgetting to ask - Has anyone experienced the Lightning Laugh recently?? I suspect that Gary has, as he has been telling us about some of his fun flights in Arizona.? Are you?still?laughing, Gary?? And probably Lynn and Bear have as well, since they are in Florida.? But it sure has been darn cold here on the east coast.? So is anyone else experiencing that Lightning laugh every time you fly your Lightning?? Better than an RV grin?? Or a "store bought C, P or B" grimace?? When you get done laughing, send me some works for the next newsletter.? I am starting on the next issue of the newsletter now, since it is below freezing even during the warmest part of the day for a while.? So get busy and give me something to do involving writing about flying. Blue Skies (but damn cold), Buz Need a job? Find employment help in your area. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:52 PM PST US From: Benjamin Smith Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Night flight Moments like these are why I fly. Good show Gary! You are where I hope to be myself someday... flying in my own plane! -Ben On Tuesday 03 March 2009 05:51:54 am GARY PENNINGTON wrote: > Good morning fellow flyers > > Last night I introduced my Lightning to Night Flight. All went well. > > I departed Marana Airport at around 6:00 pm and the air was incredibly > smooth! Nary a bobble. I flew East over the valley to the Catalina > Mountains and then North and West around the Tortolita Mountains. The sun > was setting which cast shadows behind the rocky outcroppings. The giant > Saguaro Cactus cast long shadows like pointing fingers indicating the end > of another day. City lights began to twinkle like Christmas Tree lights. > > After the sun said goodbye, I headed back to the airport for full stop > landings, (six in all). I clicked my microphone switch seven times and > watched while the runway lights came alive. Pretty cool stuff. This was a > good time to become current again for carrying passengers at night. The air > was smooth and calm, the landings were good and life is great. > > One word of caution. If you plan on using your landing lights to > illuminate the runway....don't. I installed lights in both wings. They are > worthless. Thank goodness for runway edge lights! > > I hope your day is great. > > Gary Pennington "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return." 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