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1. 06:08 AM - Flying Time (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
2. 09:17 AM - Re: Flying Time (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS)
3. 09:21 AM - Re: Flying Time (N1BZRich@aol.com)
4. 10:11 AM - Re: Flying Time (GARY PENNINGTON)
5. 10:33 AM - Re: Flying Time (Mike Allen)
6. 12:16 PM - True airspeed at altitude - LSA? (Mike Allen)
7. 01:11 PM - Re: True airspeed at altitude - LSA? (Kayberg@aol.com)
8. 01:45 PM - Re: Flying Time (GARY PENNINGTON)
9. 02:16 PM - Re: Flying Time (Mike Allen)
10. 02:29 PM - Re: True airspeed at altitude - LSA? (Dirtbos)
11. 05:42 PM - Re: Flying Time (n5pb@AOL.COM)
12. 05:48 PM - Re: Flying Time (n5pb@AOL.COM)
13. 06:26 PM - Re: Flying Time (N1BZRich@aol.com)
14. 07:24 PM - Re: Flying Time (Allan Maxwell)
15. 07:33 PM - Re: Flying Time (Allan Maxwell)
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All Lightning / Esqual flyers,
I am collecting some "marketing data" for the new LS-1 Lightning that
might be helpful to show potential SLSA and ELSA customers that the Lightning
is not a new development, but a light sport airplane that was based on the
very successful EAB Lightning and the Esqual before that. So all you Lightning
and Esqual owners, past and current, please help the effort by sending me how
much flying time is now on your aircraft. Actually, if you anticipate
flying a lot between now and Sun N Fun, add that estimated time to the total you
send me. And just to keep things from getting confusing, please also send
your N Number (or country registration) along with the type (Lightning or
Esqual) and total hours of flying time.
I will provide all of you the results of this poll when (and if) I get
good feedback. And you get to be part of the overall marketing plan for the
new LS-1 Lightning. Thanks in advance.
Buz
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Hi Buz,
Put N59JL down for 120 hours.
Hope your weather has improved for flying, Linda
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From: N1BZRich@aol.com
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:07 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Flying Time
All Lightning / Esqual flyers,
I am collecting some "marketing data" for the new LS-1 Lightning
that might be helpful to show potential SLSA and ELSA customers that the
Lightning is not a new development, but a light sport airplane that was
based on the very successful EAB Lightning and the Esqual before that.
So all you Lightning and Esqual owners, past and current, please help
the effort by sending me how much flying time is now on your aircraft.
Actually, if you anticipate flying a lot between now and Sun N Fun, add
that estimated time to the total you send me. And just to keep things
from getting confusing, please also send your N Number (or country
registration) along with the type (Lightning or Esqual) and total hours
of flying time.
I will provide all of you the results of this poll when (and if) I
get good feedback. And you get to be part of the overall marketing plan
for the new LS-1 Lightning. Thanks in advance.
Buz
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Hi Linda,
Thanks for the update on the hours. The weather has been pretty fickle. I
think I have made seven or eight flights since arriving l
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Hello Buz
N 34 YZ 127 hours.
Gary Pennington
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From: N1BZRich@aol.com<mailto:N1BZRich@aol.com>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 6:07 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Flying Time
All Lightning / Esqual flyers,
I am collecting some "marketing data" for the new LS-1 Lightning
that might be helpful to show potential SLSA and ELSA customers that the
Lightning is not a new development, but a light sport airplane that was
based on the very successful EAB Lightning and the Esqual before that.
So all you Lightning and Esqual owners, past and current, please help
the effort by sending me how much flying time is now on your aircraft.
Actually, if you anticipate flying a lot between now and Sun N Fun, add
that estimated time to the total you send me. And just to keep things
from getting confusing, please also send your N Number (or country
registration) along with the type (Lightning or Esqual) and total hours
of flying time.
I will provide all of you the results of this poll when (and if) I
get good feedback. And you get to be part of the overall marketing plan
for the new LS-1 Lightning. Thanks in advance.
Buz
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Gary,
Great looking aircraft. Is it built to fit Light Sport? I see it has
the winglets (if that is the proper term).
I have looked at the Lightning for a number of years, but did not like
the early LSA configuration. Now that it can be built "full dress", my
wife and I have decided to build one.
We are going to visit with Greg Hobbs in early May in order to get a
closer look. Looking forward to it.
Do you keep your aircraft near Marana, AZ?
Mike Allen
----- Original Message -----
From: GARY PENNINGTON
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time
Hello Buz
N 34 YZ 127 hours.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 6:07 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Flying Time
All Lightning / Esqual flyers,
I am collecting some "marketing data" for the new LS-1 Lightning
that might be helpful to show potential SLSA and ELSA customers that the
Lightning is not a new development, but a light sport airplane that was
based on the very successful EAB Lightning and the Esqual before that.
So all you Lightning and Esqual owners, past and current, please help
the effort by sending me how much flying time is now on your aircraft.
Actually, if you anticipate flying a lot between now and Sun N Fun, add
that estimated time to the total you send me. And just to keep things
from getting confusing, please also send your N Number (or country
registration) along with the type (Lightning or Esqual) and total hours
of flying time.
I will provide all of you the results of this poll when (and if)
I get good feedback. And you get to be part of the overall marketing
plan for the new LS-1 Lightning. Thanks in advance.
Buz
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Subject: | True airspeed at altitude - LSA? |
I would appreciate any input in regards to the "true" airspeed figures
that any of you who fly the LSA version of the Lightning are seeing?
Also, how does this compair to the non-LSA version?
Mike Allen
Acton, CA 93510
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Subject: | Re: True airspeed at altitude - LSA? |
In a message dated 3/29/2009 3:17:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dirtbozz@att.net writes:
I would appreciate any input in regards to the "true" airspeed figures that
any of you who fly the LSA version of the Lightning are seeing?
Also, how does this compair to the non-LSA version?
Mike Allen
Acton, CA 93510
Mike,
There is really no difference between the planes. Long wings may bring the
"clean" stall speed down a bit, but the rest is the same unless vortex
generators were installed.
LSA planes are limited to a "maximum continuous" rpm of 2850 according to
the Jabiru manual. The prop must be pitched to yield 120 knots true at sea
level. And appropriate log book entries made.
Only a fool would admit in writing or email that his LSA Lightning is flown
faster than that.
If you check Buz's post of a few days ago, you will note that his speeds of
around 160 true all come at higher RPM's (except the first one) But
remember that his is a very carefully built Esqual which has a slightly different
wing.
It is worth noting that there is a significant difference between a fully
faired clean Lightning and a "dirty" one when it comes to cruise and top speeds.
Doug Koenigsberg
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Greetings Mike
The Lightning is a very good looking airplane. People comment on how
good it looks everywhere I fly. For example, yesterday I flew to
Williams-Gateway Airport. The attendant on the apron stopped and we
talked for several minutes about how streamlined it was. Then, two
retired airline pilots asked about it and commented on how much they
liked it. These two guys just landed with a private jet! If I were a
salesman, I could make some extra money.
I did not build my Lightning specifically for Light Sport. However, as
you know, they can be built that way.
I recommend the winglets. They add to the surface area of the wings and
I believe they shorten the take off roll, the landing roll, lessen the
stall speed and create more lift. Besides, they look really cool!
If you build a Lightning, I don't think you will regret it. Knowing that
nothing is perfect, I believe the Lightning is a good value for a new
airplane, especially if you compare it to all other "Factory built" or
"Kit" aircraft available. If you do your research, you will discover
that prices for LSA aircraft are quite high. Some exceeding $125,000.00!
You could buy a really nice used GA airplane for that.
The Lightning is a fast, slippery, comfortable airplane that handles
pretty well. It is not perfect but nothing is. It does have a quirk that
I would like to see resolved..... gear leg shimmy. It is very annoying.
At times, it rattles the entire airplane. That can't be good for the
structure.
I know Greg Hobbs. I think he is a good, honest man. Be sure you take
the "Transition Training".
Yes, I keep my plane at Marana Airport. The first two LSA airplanes I
built, I kept under the shade ports at Marana, but my Lightning has to
be in a hanger, though it is much more costly. I've discovered that
people are curious and like to touch. Once, I caught a man and woman
trying to climb into my last airplane. I can't allow that with the
Lightning.
Anyway, good luck with your decision. I hope to see you at the airport.
Happy flying.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Allen<mailto:dirtbozz@att.net>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time
Gary,
Great looking aircraft. Is it built to fit Light Sport? I see it has
the winglets (if that is the proper term).
I have looked at the Lightning for a number of years, but did not like
the early LSA configuration. Now that it can be built "full dress", my
wife and I have decided to build one.
We are going to visit with Greg Hobbs in early May in order to get a
closer look. Looking forward to it.
Do you keep your aircraft near Marana, AZ?
Mike Allen
----- Original Message -----
From: GARY PENNINGTON<mailto:pennington@q.com>
To:
lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time
Hello Buz
N 34 YZ 127 hours.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com<mailto:N1BZRich@aol.com>
To:
lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 6:07 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Flying Time
All Lightning / Esqual flyers,
I am collecting some "marketing data" for the new LS-1
Lightning that might be helpful to show potential SLSA and ELSA
customers that the Lightning is not a new development, but a light sport
airplane that was based on the very successful EAB Lightning and the
Esqual before that. So all you Lightning and Esqual owners, past and
current, please help the effort by sending me how much flying time is
now on your aircraft. Actually, if you anticipate flying a lot between
now and Sun N Fun, add that estimated time to the total you send me.
And just to keep things from getting confusing, please also send your N
Number (or country registration) along with the type (Lightning or
Esqual) and total hours of flying time.
I will provide all of you the results of this poll when (and
if) I get good feedback. And you get to be part of the overall
marketing plan for the new LS-1 Lightning. Thanks in advance.
Buz
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Gary,
Thanks for the input.
RVs apparently have the same issue (nose wheel shimmy). An apparent
problem with free castering nose wheels. All though this problem is
probably partially avoidable through proper flight techniques, the
occasional occurrence is worth all of the other benefits of the
aircraft. This is where that all important "Transition Training", as
you have recommended, will come in to play for me.
Arion is undoubtedly working on the problem. Hopefully it will be
resolved soon.
Thanks again,
Mike
Ps. I'll drop you a note when we know the exact date of our visit. My
wife and I would appreciate meeting you.
----- Original Message -----
From: GARY PENNINGTON
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time
Greetings Mike
The Lightning is a very good looking airplane. People comment on how
good it looks everywhere I fly. For example, yesterday I flew to
Williams-Gateway Airport. The attendant on the apron stopped and we
talked for several minutes about how streamlined it was. Then, two
retired airline pilots asked about it and commented on how much they
liked it. These two guys just landed with a private jet! If I were a
salesman, I could make some extra money.
I did not build my Lightning specifically for Light Sport. However, as
you know, they can be built that way.
I recommend the winglets. They add to the surface area of the wings
and I believe they shorten the take off roll, the landing roll, lessen
the stall speed and create more lift. Besides, they look really cool!
If you build a Lightning, I don't think you will regret it. Knowing
that nothing is perfect, I believe the Lightning is a good value for a
new airplane, especially if you compare it to all other "Factory built"
or "Kit" aircraft available. If you do your research, you will discover
that prices for LSA aircraft are quite high. Some exceeding $125,000.00!
You could buy a really nice used GA airplane for that.
The Lightning is a fast, slippery, comfortable airplane that handles
pretty well. It is not perfect but nothing is. It does have a quirk that
I would like to see resolved..... gear leg shimmy. It is very annoying.
At times, it rattles the entire airplane. That can't be good for the
structure.
I know Greg Hobbs. I think he is a good, honest man. Be sure you take
the "Transition Training".
Yes, I keep my plane at Marana Airport. The first two LSA airplanes I
built, I kept under the shade ports at Marana, but my Lightning has to
be in a hanger, though it is much more costly. I've discovered that
people are curious and like to touch. Once, I caught a man and woman
trying to climb into my last airplane. I can't allow that with the
Lightning.
Anyway, good luck with your decision. I hope to see you at the
airport.
Happy flying.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Allen
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time
Gary,
Great looking aircraft. Is it built to fit Light Sport? I see it
has the winglets (if that is the proper term).
I have looked at the Lightning for a number of years, but did not
like the early LSA configuration. Now that it can be built "full
dress", my wife and I have decided to build one.
We are going to visit with Greg Hobbs in early May in order to get a
closer look. Looking forward to it.
Do you keep your aircraft near Marana, AZ?
Mike Allen
----- Original Message -----
From: GARY PENNINGTON
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time
Hello Buz
N 34 YZ 127 hours.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 6:07 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Flying Time
All Lightning / Esqual flyers,
I am collecting some "marketing data" for the new LS-1
Lightning that might be helpful to show potential SLSA and ELSA
customers that the Lightning is not a new development, but a light sport
airplane that was based on the very successful EAB Lightning and the
Esqual before that. So all you Lightning and Esqual owners, past and
current, please help the effort by sending me how much flying time is
now on your aircraft. Actually, if you anticipate flying a lot between
now and Sun N Fun, add that estimated time to the total you send me.
And just to keep things from getting confusing, please also send your N
Number (or country registration) along with the type (Lightning or
Esqual) and total hours of flying time.
I will provide all of you the results of this poll when (and
if) I get good feedback. And you get to be part of the overall
marketing plan for the new LS-1 Lightning. Thanks in advance.
Buz
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Subject: | Re: True airspeed at altitude - LSA? |
Doug,
Thanks for the input. I guess all I really needed to know was the the LSA 138
mph max at sea level was achievable and accurate for the Lightning's LSA configuration.
Mike
Read this topic online here:
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Buz,
N82PB has 34 hours now;? anticpate 45 by SNF
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM
Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 9:07 am
Subject: Lightning-List: Flying Time
All Lightning / Esqual?flyers,
????I am collecting some "marketing data" for the new LS-1 Lightning that might
be helpful to show potential SLSA and ELSA customers that the Lightning is not
a new development, but a light sport airplane that was based on the very successful
EAB Lightning and the Esqual before that.? So all you Lightning and Esqual
owners, past and current, please help the effort by sending me how much flying
time is now on your aircraft.? Actually, if you anticipate flying a lot
between now and Sun N Fun, add that estimated time to the total you send me.?
And just to keep things from getting confusing, please also send your N Number
(or country registration) along with the type (Lightning or Esqual) and total
hours of flying time.
????I will provide all of you the results of this poll when (and if) I get good
feedback.? And you get to be part of the overall marketing plan for the new LS-1
Lightning.??Thanks in advance.
Buz
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Oh and here's a current pic at the home hkangar KPIE.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: n5pb@aol.com
Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 8:41 pm
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time
Buz,
N82PB has 34 hours now;? anticpate 45 by SNF
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM
Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 9:07 am
Subject: Lightning-List: Flying Time
All Lightning / Esqual?flyers,
????I am collecting some "marketing data" for the new LS-1 Lightning that might
be helpful to show potential SLSA and ELSA customers that the Lightning is not
a new development, but a light sport airplane that was based on the very successful
EAB Lightning and the Esqual before that.? So all you Lightning and Esqual
owners, past and current, please help the effort by sending me how much flying
time is now on your aircraft.? Actually, if you anticipate flying a lot
between now and Sun N Fun, add that estimated time to the total you send me.?
And just to keep things from getting confusing, please also send your N Number
(or country registration) along with the type (Lightning or Esqual) and total
hours of flying time.
????I will provide all of you the results of this poll when (and if) I get good
feedback.? And you get to be part of the overall marketing plan for the new LS-1
Lightning.??Thanks in advance.
Buz
Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less.
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In a message dated 3/29/2009 8:44:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
n5pb@aol.com writes:
N82PB has 34 hours now; anticpate 45 by SNF
Thanks, Bear.
Buz
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Hi Buz Allan Maxwell has 227 hrs now should have 135 by Sun and fun mine is
a Esqual serial E 180047 thanks allan
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From: N1BZRich@aol.com <N1BZRich@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time
In a message dated 3/29/2009 8:44:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb@aol.c
om writes:
N82PB has 34 hours now;- anticpate 45 by SNF
Thanks, Bear.
Buz
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buz my n-number is 99AD Allan Maxwell
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From: N1BZRich@aol.com <N1BZRich@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time
In a message dated 3/29/2009 8:44:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb@aol.c
om writes:
N82PB has 34 hours now;- anticpate 45 by SNF
Thanks, Bear.
Buz
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