---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/29/09: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:08 AM - Flying Time (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 2. 09:17 AM - Re: Flying Time (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS) 3. 09:21 AM - Re: Flying Time (N1BZRich@aol.com) 4. 10:11 AM - Re: Flying Time (GARY PENNINGTON) 5. 10:33 AM - Re: Flying Time (Mike Allen) 6. 12:16 PM - True airspeed at altitude - LSA? (Mike Allen) 7. 01:11 PM - Re: True airspeed at altitude - LSA? (Kayberg@aol.com) 8. 01:45 PM - Re: Flying Time (GARY PENNINGTON) 9. 02:16 PM - Re: Flying Time (Mike Allen) 10. 02:29 PM - Re: True airspeed at altitude - LSA? (Dirtbos) 11. 05:42 PM - Re: Flying Time (n5pb@AOL.COM) 12. 05:48 PM - Re: Flying Time (n5pb@AOL.COM) 13. 06:26 PM - Re: Flying Time (N1BZRich@aol.com) 14. 07:24 PM - Re: Flying Time (Allan Maxwell) 15. 07:33 PM - Re: Flying Time (Allan Maxwell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:20 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Lightning-List: Flying Time All Lightning / Esqual flyers, I am collecting some "marketing data" for the new LS-1 Lightning that might be helpful to show potential SLSA and ELSA customers that the Lightning is not a new development, but a light sport airplane that was based on the very successful EAB Lightning and the Esqual before that. So all you Lightning and Esqual owners, past and current, please help the effort by sending me how much flying time is now on your aircraft. Actually, if you anticipate flying a lot between now and Sun N Fun, add that estimated time to the total you send me. And just to keep things from getting confusing, please also send your N Number (or country registration) along with the type (Lightning or Esqual) and total hours of flying time. I will provide all of you the results of this poll when (and if) I get good feedback. And you get to be part of the overall marketing plan for the new LS-1 Lightning. Thanks in advance. Buz **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:47 AM PST US From: "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time Hi Buz, Put N59JL down for 120 hours. Hope your weather has improved for flying, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:07 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Flying Time All Lightning / Esqual flyers, I am collecting some "marketing data" for the new LS-1 Lightning that might be helpful to show potential SLSA and ELSA customers that the Lightning is not a new development, but a light sport airplane that was based on the very successful EAB Lightning and the Esqual before that. So all you Lightning and Esqual owners, past and current, please help the effort by sending me how much flying time is now on your aircraft. Actually, if you anticipate flying a lot between now and Sun N Fun, add that estimated time to the total you send me. And just to keep things from getting confusing, please also send your N Number (or country registration) along with the type (Lightning or Esqual) and total hours of flying time. I will provide all of you the results of this poll when (and if) I get good feedback. And you get to be part of the overall marketing plan for the new LS-1 Lightning. Thanks in advance. Buz ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 03/28/09 07:16:00 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:59 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time Hi Linda, Thanks for the update on the hours. The weather has been pretty fickle. I think I have made seven or eight flights since arriving l **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:19 AM PST US From: "GARY PENNINGTON" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time Hello Buz N 34 YZ 127 hours. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 6:07 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Flying Time All Lightning / Esqual flyers, I am collecting some "marketing data" for the new LS-1 Lightning that might be helpful to show potential SLSA and ELSA customers that the Lightning is not a new development, but a light sport airplane that was based on the very successful EAB Lightning and the Esqual before that. So all you Lightning and Esqual owners, past and current, please help the effort by sending me how much flying time is now on your aircraft. Actually, if you anticipate flying a lot between now and Sun N Fun, add that estimated time to the total you send me. And just to keep things from getting confusing, please also send your N Number (or country registration) along with the type (Lightning or Esqual) and total hours of flying time. I will provide all of you the results of this poll when (and if) I get good feedback. And you get to be part of the overall marketing plan for the new LS-1 Lightning. Thanks in advance. Buz ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:05 AM PST US From: "Mike Allen" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time Gary, Great looking aircraft. Is it built to fit Light Sport? I see it has the winglets (if that is the proper term). I have looked at the Lightning for a number of years, but did not like the early LSA configuration. Now that it can be built "full dress", my wife and I have decided to build one. We are going to visit with Greg Hobbs in early May in order to get a closer look. Looking forward to it. Do you keep your aircraft near Marana, AZ? Mike Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: GARY PENNINGTON To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time Hello Buz N 34 YZ 127 hours. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 6:07 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Flying Time All Lightning / Esqual flyers, I am collecting some "marketing data" for the new LS-1 Lightning that might be helpful to show potential SLSA and ELSA customers that the Lightning is not a new development, but a light sport airplane that was based on the very successful EAB Lightning and the Esqual before that. So all you Lightning and Esqual owners, past and current, please help the effort by sending me how much flying time is now on your aircraft. Actually, if you anticipate flying a lot between now and Sun N Fun, add that estimated time to the total you send me. And just to keep things from getting confusing, please also send your N Number (or country registration) along with the type (Lightning or Esqual) and total hours of flying time. I will provide all of you the results of this poll when (and if) I get good feedback. And you get to be part of the overall marketing plan for the new LS-1 Lightning. Thanks in advance. Buz ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:44 PM PST US From: "Mike Allen" Subject: Lightning-List: True airspeed at altitude - LSA? I would appreciate any input in regards to the "true" airspeed figures that any of you who fly the LSA version of the Lightning are seeing? Also, how does this compair to the non-LSA version? Mike Allen Acton, CA 93510 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:11:56 PM PST US From: Kayberg@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: True airspeed at altitude - LSA? In a message dated 3/29/2009 3:17:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dirtbozz@att.net writes: I would appreciate any input in regards to the "true" airspeed figures that any of you who fly the LSA version of the Lightning are seeing? Also, how does this compair to the non-LSA version? Mike Allen Acton, CA 93510 Mike, There is really no difference between the planes. Long wings may bring the "clean" stall speed down a bit, but the rest is the same unless vortex generators were installed. LSA planes are limited to a "maximum continuous" rpm of 2850 according to the Jabiru manual. The prop must be pitched to yield 120 knots true at sea level. And appropriate log book entries made. Only a fool would admit in writing or email that his LSA Lightning is flown faster than that. If you check Buz's post of a few days ago, you will note that his speeds of around 160 true all come at higher RPM's (except the first one) But remember that his is a very carefully built Esqual which has a slightly different wing. It is worth noting that there is a significant difference between a fully faired clean Lightning and a "dirty" one when it comes to cruise and top speeds. Doug Koenigsberg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:44 PM PST US From: "GARY PENNINGTON" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time Greetings Mike The Lightning is a very good looking airplane. People comment on how good it looks everywhere I fly. For example, yesterday I flew to Williams-Gateway Airport. The attendant on the apron stopped and we talked for several minutes about how streamlined it was. Then, two retired airline pilots asked about it and commented on how much they liked it. These two guys just landed with a private jet! If I were a salesman, I could make some extra money. I did not build my Lightning specifically for Light Sport. However, as you know, they can be built that way. I recommend the winglets. They add to the surface area of the wings and I believe they shorten the take off roll, the landing roll, lessen the stall speed and create more lift. Besides, they look really cool! If you build a Lightning, I don't think you will regret it. Knowing that nothing is perfect, I believe the Lightning is a good value for a new airplane, especially if you compare it to all other "Factory built" or "Kit" aircraft available. If you do your research, you will discover that prices for LSA aircraft are quite high. Some exceeding $125,000.00! You could buy a really nice used GA airplane for that. The Lightning is a fast, slippery, comfortable airplane that handles pretty well. It is not perfect but nothing is. It does have a quirk that I would like to see resolved..... gear leg shimmy. It is very annoying. At times, it rattles the entire airplane. That can't be good for the structure. I know Greg Hobbs. I think he is a good, honest man. Be sure you take the "Transition Training". Yes, I keep my plane at Marana Airport. The first two LSA airplanes I built, I kept under the shade ports at Marana, but my Lightning has to be in a hanger, though it is much more costly. I've discovered that people are curious and like to touch. Once, I caught a man and woman trying to climb into my last airplane. I can't allow that with the Lightning. Anyway, good luck with your decision. I hope to see you at the airport. Happy flying. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Allen To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:30 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time Gary, Great looking aircraft. Is it built to fit Light Sport? I see it has the winglets (if that is the proper term). I have looked at the Lightning for a number of years, but did not like the early LSA configuration. Now that it can be built "full dress", my wife and I have decided to build one. We are going to visit with Greg Hobbs in early May in order to get a closer look. Looking forward to it. Do you keep your aircraft near Marana, AZ? Mike Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: GARY PENNINGTON To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time Hello Buz N 34 YZ 127 hours. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 6:07 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Flying Time All Lightning / Esqual flyers, I am collecting some "marketing data" for the new LS-1 Lightning that might be helpful to show potential SLSA and ELSA customers that the Lightning is not a new development, but a light sport airplane that was based on the very successful EAB Lightning and the Esqual before that. So all you Lightning and Esqual owners, past and current, please help the effort by sending me how much flying time is now on your aircraft. Actually, if you anticipate flying a lot between now and Sun N Fun, add that estimated time to the total you send me. And just to keep things from getting confusing, please also send your N Number (or country registration) along with the type (Lightning or Esqual) and total hours of flying time. I will provide all of you the results of this poll when (and if) I get good feedback. And you get to be part of the overall marketing plan for the new LS-1 Lightning. Thanks in advance. Buz ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:51 PM PST US From: "Mike Allen" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time Gary, Thanks for the input. RVs apparently have the same issue (nose wheel shimmy). An apparent problem with free castering nose wheels. All though this problem is probably partially avoidable through proper flight techniques, the occasional occurrence is worth all of the other benefits of the aircraft. This is where that all important "Transition Training", as you have recommended, will come in to play for me. Arion is undoubtedly working on the problem. Hopefully it will be resolved soon. Thanks again, Mike Ps. I'll drop you a note when we know the exact date of our visit. My wife and I would appreciate meeting you. ----- Original Message ----- From: GARY PENNINGTON To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time Greetings Mike The Lightning is a very good looking airplane. People comment on how good it looks everywhere I fly. For example, yesterday I flew to Williams-Gateway Airport. The attendant on the apron stopped and we talked for several minutes about how streamlined it was. Then, two retired airline pilots asked about it and commented on how much they liked it. These two guys just landed with a private jet! If I were a salesman, I could make some extra money. I did not build my Lightning specifically for Light Sport. However, as you know, they can be built that way. I recommend the winglets. They add to the surface area of the wings and I believe they shorten the take off roll, the landing roll, lessen the stall speed and create more lift. Besides, they look really cool! If you build a Lightning, I don't think you will regret it. Knowing that nothing is perfect, I believe the Lightning is a good value for a new airplane, especially if you compare it to all other "Factory built" or "Kit" aircraft available. If you do your research, you will discover that prices for LSA aircraft are quite high. Some exceeding $125,000.00! You could buy a really nice used GA airplane for that. The Lightning is a fast, slippery, comfortable airplane that handles pretty well. It is not perfect but nothing is. It does have a quirk that I would like to see resolved..... gear leg shimmy. It is very annoying. At times, it rattles the entire airplane. That can't be good for the structure. I know Greg Hobbs. I think he is a good, honest man. Be sure you take the "Transition Training". Yes, I keep my plane at Marana Airport. The first two LSA airplanes I built, I kept under the shade ports at Marana, but my Lightning has to be in a hanger, though it is much more costly. I've discovered that people are curious and like to touch. Once, I caught a man and woman trying to climb into my last airplane. I can't allow that with the Lightning. Anyway, good luck with your decision. I hope to see you at the airport. Happy flying. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Allen To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:30 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time Gary, Great looking aircraft. Is it built to fit Light Sport? I see it has the winglets (if that is the proper term). I have looked at the Lightning for a number of years, but did not like the early LSA configuration. Now that it can be built "full dress", my wife and I have decided to build one. We are going to visit with Greg Hobbs in early May in order to get a closer look. Looking forward to it. Do you keep your aircraft near Marana, AZ? Mike Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: GARY PENNINGTON To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time Hello Buz N 34 YZ 127 hours. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 6:07 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Flying Time All Lightning / Esqual flyers, I am collecting some "marketing data" for the new LS-1 Lightning that might be helpful to show potential SLSA and ELSA customers that the Lightning is not a new development, but a light sport airplane that was based on the very successful EAB Lightning and the Esqual before that. So all you Lightning and Esqual owners, past and current, please help the effort by sending me how much flying time is now on your aircraft. Actually, if you anticipate flying a lot between now and Sun N Fun, add that estimated time to the total you send me. And just to keep things from getting confusing, please also send your N Number (or country registration) along with the type (Lightning or Esqual) and total hours of flying time. I will provide all of you the results of this poll when (and if) I get good feedback. And you get to be part of the overall marketing plan for the new LS-1 Lightning. Thanks in advance. Buz ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:07 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: True airspeed at altitude - LSA? From: "Dirtbos" Doug, Thanks for the input. I guess all I really needed to know was the the LSA 138 mph max at sea level was achievable and accurate for the Lightning's LSA configuration. Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236732#236732 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time From: n5pb@AOL.COM Buz, N82PB has 34 hours now;? anticpate 45 by SNF Bear -----Original Message----- From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 9:07 am Subject: Lightning-List: Flying Time All Lightning / Esqual?flyers, ????I am collecting some "marketing data" for the new LS-1 Lightning that might be helpful to show potential SLSA and ELSA customers that the Lightning is not a new development, but a light sport airplane that was based on the very successful EAB Lightning and the Esqual before that.? So all you Lightning and Esqual owners, past and current, please help the effort by sending me how much flying time is now on your aircraft.? Actually, if you anticipate flying a lot between now and Sun N Fun, add that estimated time to the total you send me.? And just to keep things from getting confusing, please also send your N Number (or country registration) along with the type (Lightning or Esqual) and total hours of flying time. ????I will provide all of you the results of this poll when (and if) I get good feedback.? And you get to be part of the overall marketing plan for the new LS-1 Lightning.??Thanks in advance. Buz Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time From: n5pb@AOL.COM Oh and here's a current pic at the home hkangar KPIE. Bear -----Original Message----- From: n5pb@aol.com Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 8:41 pm Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time Buz, N82PB has 34 hours now;? anticpate 45 by SNF Bear -----Original Message----- From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 9:07 am Subject: Lightning-List: Flying Time All Lightning / Esqual?flyers, ????I am collecting some "marketing data" for the new LS-1 Lightning that might be helpful to show potential SLSA and ELSA customers that the Lightning is not a new development, but a light sport airplane that was based on the very successful EAB Lightning and the Esqual before that.? So all you Lightning and Esqual owners, past and current, please help the effort by sending me how much flying time is now on your aircraft.? Actually, if you anticipate flying a lot between now and Sun N Fun, add that estimated time to the total you send me.? And just to keep things from getting confusing, please also send your N Number (or country registration) along with the type (Lightning or Esqual) and total hours of flying time. ????I will provide all of you the results of this poll when (and if) I get good feedback.? And you get to be part of the overall marketing plan for the new LS-1 Lightning.??Thanks in advance. Buz Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:34 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time In a message dated 3/29/2009 8:44:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb@aol.com writes: N82PB has 34 hours now; anticpate 45 by SNF Thanks, Bear. Buz **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:45 PM PST US From: Allan Maxwell Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time Hi Buz Allan Maxwell has 227 hrs now should have 135 by Sun and fun mine is a Esqual serial E 180047 thanks allan --- On Sun, 3/29/09, N1BZRich@aol.com wrote: From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time In a message dated 3/29/2009 8:44:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb@aol.c om writes: N82PB has 34 hours now;- anticpate 45 by SNF Thanks, Bear. Buz Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:27 PM PST US From: Allan Maxwell Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time buz my n-number is 99AD Allan Maxwell --- On Sun, 3/29/09, N1BZRich@aol.com wrote: From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying Time In a message dated 3/29/2009 8:44:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb@aol.c om writes: N82PB has 34 hours now;- anticpate 45 by SNF Thanks, Bear. Buz Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? 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