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1. 05:06 AM - Re: new soon to be option for the Lightning (EAFerguson@AOL.COM)
2. 06:03 AM - Re: new soon to be option for the Lightning (GARY PENNINGTON)
3. 06:36 AM - Re: Re: Radio Noise traces (Mefford, Walt)
4. 09:26 AM - Re: new soon to be option for the Lightning ()
5. 09:31 AM - Re: new soon to be option for the Lightning (tlhuffy@AOL.COM)
6. 01:32 PM - Re: new soon to be option for the Lightning (Wayne Lenox)
7. 04:03 PM - Re: Radio Interference (Dave)
8. 05:29 PM - Re: new soon to be option for the Lightning (Kayberg@aol.com)
9. 06:24 PM - April Lightning newsletter is published (N1BZRich@aol.com)
10. 06:46 PM - Lightning / Esqual Flying Time (N1BZRich@aol.com)
11. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: Radio Noise traces (Catalpa Aviation)
12. 11:01 PM - Official Lightning-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
13. 11:05 PM - Official Lightning-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Re: new soon to be option for the Lightning |
Buz,
Let's see if I have this straight. You're going to leave SYI this AM, fly to
VA, put the floats on and do the initial T. O. and (I presume) a landing.
All this before April 1 is over.
Now pull my other leg!
Earl
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Subject: | RE: Radio Noise traces |
I kind of got in late so I don't know the full story of your noise
problems.
* Do you here the noise when you're transmitting or receiving?
* Does it sound like ignition noise or just a hash background?
Walt Mefford
GARMIN AT
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(503) 391-3343
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Sistern - Parts for Aircraft
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:10 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: RE: Radio Noise traces
The Bosch leads that Ralph constantly refers to on the Jab engine
website are not available in the Northern hemisphere they are peculiar
to Bosch Oz. James Hallam, who has a Twister with Jab 2200, has had a
hell of a time with interference and I pointed him towards a UK company
that manufactures plug leads for racing engines that employ the same
technology used in the Bosch Oz leads. It made only a marginal
difference, and not worth the =C2=A3200 or so quid he paid.
I have tried ferrites on the ignition coil leads and that was a total
waste of time.
I don't know anyone who claims to have found a noise reduction from a
grounded shield on the P lead. But removing RFI is a black art and what
works in one installation can be hard to replicate in another.
I have come to the conclusion that there is no magic bullet. The best
thing to do is what Jabiru do themselves and that is mount the aerial as
far away from the engine as possible. Of course, if you can get a job at
Jabiru or working for Jabiru, the RF disappears. Roger Lewis was deaf to
it, I wonder if he can hear it now?
Cheers,
Paul
From: James, Clive R [mailto:clive.james@uk.bp.com]
Sent: 31 March 2009 07:38
Cc: Paul Sistern - Parts for Aircraft; Bob Panther
Subject: RE: Radio Noise traces
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/message/25762
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/message/25762>
>From what I can see from the work Ralph has done the fixes are
associated with:
Plug lead material, see the picture in the 'files' on the bottom link,
the Bosch cable is shown. Link to Bosch leads on previous posts (aussie
website).
Ferrite beads on the Coil HT, never heard of this or thought of it,
seems two leads help a third makes no difference. Seems a great cheap
and easy improvement.
Shielding the P, leads, we all probably know this but Ralph suggests
shielding is grounded at the engine end.
I did the opposite thinking I might import some RF into the panel area,
he also suggests using the shield as the ground for the mag switch,
can't see what difference that would make so won't change mine, it does
remove a wire so would do it this way in the future.
8mm Ferrite beads are the order of the day!
Then new plug leads!
Regards, Clive
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From: James, Clive R
Sent: 31 March 2009 07:14
Subject: Radio Noise traces
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/files/Radio%20noise/
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/files/Radio%20noise/>
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Subject: | Re: new soon to be option for the Lightning |
Buz,
I saw the April newsletter and it had another picture of your "plane of floats".
It appears to me that you are playing an April fools joke. I believe that I
can still see the shadow of the front wheel in this other picture.
I won't tell anybody though.
Earnie Fontenot
P.S. You will hear from me again soon as me and three others have
bought John Davis' Lightning (#14).
---- N1BZRich@aol.com wrote:
>
> All Lightning enthusiasts,
> As you might expect, Nick and the Arion team get lots of suggestions for
> the Lightning. These suggestions range from such things as changes to the basic
> design, things to add as options, and even things that would add another
> flight capability for the airplanes operation. Being a very proactive group,
> they evaluate all of the suggestions for the various pros and cons, and even
> do preliminary testing on some of the suggestions to determine if any should
> be incorporated. Occasionally, someones suggestion is determined to have
> great merit and that suggestion is then incorporated into the basis Lightning
> design, or into Arions overall business plan. A little over a year ago,
> someone asked if it would be possible to put floats on the Lightning. Obviously
> that is a very intriguing idea, but one that would require a great amount of
> time. First you must design the floats and subsystems, then produce a
> working prototype set of floats, and finally to flight test them: Too much time
for
> the ever busy Lightning Skunk Works team to take on.
> But sometimes potentially good suggestions have a way of getting done even
> if the factory guys are too busy to get directly involved. So, not to let
> a good idea go to waste, the Virginia detachment of the Lightning Skunk Works
> team has been hard as work in a hangar at Wakefield airport (KAKQ), with the
> goal of producing a prototype set of floats for the Lightning. Primary
> credit for the design and fabrication work of the first set of floats goes to
Joe
> Mathias. Joe is an absolute master craftsman in all types of aircraft
> construction and has built and restored several Oshkosh champion aircraft in
the
> past. Of course, Joe was ably assisted in this monumental task by his bride
> of many years, Linda Mathias who built Lightning kit #20, N59JL. The
> prototype set of floats for the Lightning are constructed of marine and aircraft
> quality plywood, but once the design has been flight tested, they will be used
> to produce a mold so that follow on floats can be quickly duplicated out of
> fiberglass. The photos below (photos by Russell Hornsby) show the floats
> mounted on the test aircraft, N31BZ, Buzs highly modified Esqual LS (Lightning
> Stuff). Heck, I might change the LS to LSS to mean Lightning Stuff Seaplane.
>
> This photo was made on the initial roll out day, but since that time, water
> rudders have been added to the floats and are tied directly into the aircraft
> s rudder cables. We have also built a dolly that will allow the airplane
> to takeoff from a land base. The dolly also makes it easy to move the
> airplane around the hangar. Initial water landing and taxi testing is planned
> for a secluded cove in the nearby James River. We are planning to make the
> initial water landing later this afternoon, April 1.
> Blue Skies,
> Buz
> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or
> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)
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Subject: | Re: new soon to be option for the Lightning |
Good one Buz
-----Original Message-----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:08 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: new soon to be option for the Lightning
All Lightning enthusiasts,
As you might expect, Nick and the Arion team get lots of suggestions for the
Lightning.=C2- These suggestions range from such things as changes to the
basic design, things to add as options, and even things that would add anot
her flight capability for the airplane=99s operation.=C2- Being a ve
ry proactive group, they evaluate all of the suggestions for the various pro
s and cons, and even do preliminary testing on some of the suggestions to de
termine if any should be incorporated.=C2- Occasionally, someone=99s
suggestion is determined to have great merit and that suggestion is then in
corporated into the basis Lightning design, or into Arion=99s overall
business plan.=C2-=C2- A little over a year ago, someone asked if it wou
ld be possible to put floats on the Lightning.=C2-=C2- Obviously that is
a very intriguing idea, but one that would require a great amount of time.
=C2-First you must design the floats and subsystems, then produce a workin
g prototype set of floats, and finally to flight test them: Too much time fo
r the ever busy Lightning Skunk Works team to take on.
But sometimes potentially good suggestions have a way of getting done even i
f the =9Cfactory=9D guys are too busy to get directly involved.
=C2- So, not to let a good idea go to waste, the
Virginia detachment of the Lightning Skunk Works team has been hard as work
in a=C2-hangar at Wakefield airport (KAKQ), with the goal of producing a p
rototype set of floats for the Lightning.=C2- Primary credit for the desig
n and fabrication work of the first set of floats goes to Joe Mathias.=C2
- Joe is an absolute master craftsman in all types of aircraft constructio
n and has built and restored several Oshkosh champion aircraft in the past.
=C2-=C2- Of course, Joe was ably assisted in this monumental task by his
bride of many years, Linda Mathias who built Lightning kit #20, N59JL.=C2
- The prototype set of floats for the Lightning are constructed of marine
and aircraft quality plywood, but once the design has been flight tested, th
ey will be used to produce a mold so that follow on floats can be quickly du
plicated out of fiberglass.=C2- The photos below (photos by Russell Hornsb
y) show the floats mounted on the test aircraft, N31BZ, Buz=99s highly
modified Esqual LS (Lightning Stuff).=C2- Heck, I might change the LS to
LSS to mean Lightning Stuff Seaplane.=C2-
This photo was made on the initial roll out day, but since that time, water
rudders have been added to the floats and are tied directly into the aircraf
t=99s rudder cables.=C2- We have also built a dolly that will allow
the airplane to takeoff from a =9Cland base=9D.=C2- The dolly
also makes it easy to move the airplane around the hangar.=C2- Initial wat
er landing and taxi testing is planned for a secluded=2
0cove in the nearby James River.=C2- We are planning to make the initial w
ater landing later this afternoon, April 1.=C2-
Blue Skies,
Buz
Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less.
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Subject: | Re: new soon to be option for the Lightning |
It is April first!!!!
Please note: message attached
From: N1BZRich@aol.com
Subject: Lightning-List: new soon to be option for the Lightning
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All Lightning enthusiasts,
As you might expect, Nick and the Arion team get lots of suggestions for
the Lightning. These suggestions range from such things as changes to the b
asic
design, things to add as options, and even things that would add another
flight capability for the airplane=99s operation. Being a very proac
tive group,
they evaluate all of the suggestions for the various pros and cons, and eve
n
do preliminary testing on some of the suggestions to determine if any shoul
d
be incorporated. Occasionally, someone=99s suggestion is determined
to have
great merit and that suggestion is then incorporated into the basis Lightni
ng
design, or into Arion=99s overall business plan. A little over a yea
r ago,
someone asked if it would be possible to put floats on the Lightning. Obv
iously
that is a very intriguing idea, but one that would require a great amount o
f
time. First you must design the floats and subsystems, then produce a
working prototype set of floats, and finally to flight test them: Too much
time for
the ever busy Lightning Skunk Works team to take on.
But sometimes potentially good suggestions have a way of getting done even
if the =9Cfactory=9D guys are too busy to get directly involved
. So, not to let
a good idea go to waste, the Virginia detachment of the Lightning Skunk Wor
ks
team has been hard as work in a hangar at Wakefield airport (KAKQ), with th
e
goal of producing a prototype set of floats for the Lightning. Primary
credit for the design and fabrication work of the first set of floats goes
to Joe
Mathias. Joe is an absolute master craftsman in all types of aircraft
construction and has built and restored several Oshkosh champion aircraft i
n the
past. Of course, Joe was ably assisted in this monumental task by his bri
de
of many years, Linda Mathias who built Lightning kit #20, N59JL. The
prototype set of floats for the Lightning are constructed of marine and air
craft
quality plywood, but once the design has been flight tested, they will be u
sed
to produce a mold so that follow on floats can be quickly duplicated out of
fiberglass. The photos below (photos by Russell Hornsby) show the floats
mounted on the test aircraft, N31BZ, Buz=99s highly modified Esqual L
S (Lightning
Stuff). Heck, I might change the LS to LSS to mean Lightning Stuff Seaplane
.
This photo was made on the initial roll out day, but since that time, water
rudders have been added to the floats and are tied directly into the aircra
ft=99
s rudder cables. We have also built a dolly that will allow the airplane
to takeoff from a =9Cland base=9D. The dolly also makes it easy
to move the
airplane around the hangar. Initial water landing and taxi testing is plan
ned
for a secluded cove in the nearby James River. We are planning to make th
e
initial water landing later this afternoon, April 1.
Blue Skies,
Buz
**************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 o
r
less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)
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Subject: | Re: Radio Interference |
Advanced Aircraft VHF-51 is a no ground flat bondable antenna that I believe
Nick is still using
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:35 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Radio Interference
> <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
>
> Some comments from a guy on the Yahoo engines list who's been helping
> folk out.
>
> He's done extensive testing around the RFI that the Jabiru engine emits.
> If I find the rest I'll post the link on here.
> I did extra screening on my Esqual system and the radio still isn't as
> good as my Jabiru.
> Both have tail dipoles which should be a far better antenna than a
> quarter wave fuselage one. However, I have been told of problems with
> structure and even paint possibly masking the antenna in a tail.
>
> Dave, what's a vhf-51?
>
> Regards, Clive
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
>
> Yes the bosch leads you found look to be the same as I used. They have a
> number marking on them something like 365 however some leads had a
> different number. look at the picture in the files, you can read the
> markings there. The Bosch premade leads cost $6 each here
>
> New Jabiru engines, on the website, appear to have similar leads fitted,
> not the old red carbon ones.
>
> Screening the coil leads can be by braid or spiral winding copper tape
> over them. But I dont like the idea as its easy to get breakdown
> especially the 3300 where moisture could track via the joint. the same
> level of improvement is obtained with 2 ferrite beads to each lead. 3
> beads is more than needed, if you want to make sure of it. The best
> beads are hard to find now, the ones I got were ideal.
>
> Ralph
>
> --- On Tue, 31/3/09, James, Clive R <clive.james@uk.bp.com> wrote:
>
> From: James, Clive R <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
> Subject: RE: More Radio Noise
> To: sanson.r@xtra.co.nz
> Received: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009, 12:33 AM
>
>
> Thanks very much for the detailed feedback, I must have missed the
> earlier explanation you made I'll have a dig back in Yahoo.
> I've just replaced my plug leads on the 2200 plane as it's done 1060 hrs
> and I was getting some breakdown. Not expensive as I made them up, but
> the price of auto plug leads isn't great so I'll look into changing them
> on my 3300 as that is the one with the worst radio.
> When you say Bosch ferrite core helical resistance wire are these
> standard leads or something different?
> I've had a surf and come up with this page
> http://www.bosch.com.au/content/language1/html/2253.htm
> Doesn't figure on the UK website though.
>
> Screening the coil leads would be by fitting a grounded braid?
>
> Sounds like you've done some great work which it would be really good if
> Jabiru picked up on.....
>
> Regards, Clive
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
> From: Ralph S [mailto:sanson.r@xtra.co.nz]
> Sent: 29 March 2009 22:51
> To: James, Clive R
> Subject: Re: More Radio Noise
>
>
> Hi Clive,
>
> Yes your idea of grounding the shields at the cockpit end does make
> sense and I have tried it that way and with both ends grounded. But the
> reason I say to only do it at the engine is mainly to avoid any
> circulating currents getting to the electronics in the coils when for
> instance you are cranking the engine with mags off or flying with one
> disabled (because a rotor slipped and causes misfiring on that mag,
> whatever. You then have a situation where the electronics in the coil is
> subject to the voltage difference between the cabin ground and the
> engine ground, with 200 amps starting current that may be 2 volts. Its
> just not good practice. I flew my C150 for a couple of years before
> discovering it had no earth straps fitted across the rubber engine
> mounts (there should be 2) meaning the 400 amps starter current return
> to the battery was soley via the throttle, mixture and various scat
> hoses wires that connect to the fuselage! No wonder it was a slow
> starter.
>
> The jabiru charging regulator does put out some spike noise which can
> make a pitter patter on the audio systems, but in my case its not a
> problem and I dont have a large capacitor like the Rotax recommend. I do
> have a large battery and its direct connected to the regulator both
> sense and charge wires no switch contacts to cause trouble.
>
> For eliminating the ignition noise, for my engine the most dominant
> noise by a large amount, The best step was to replace the carbon film
> leads (cars stopped using these after the 70's) with some Bosch ferrite
> core helical resistance wire ones off the rack at our local car parts
> store. I have no opportunity to test other brands, but assume Bosch
> supply this lead to many european cars so its a matter of buying 8 leads
> long enough to cut off the straight plug connector and crimp the angled
> connectos on.
>
> 2nd step was to bead or shield the coil lead. This is a copper wire
> lead. Some have said it can be replaced at the coil but if that was easy
> Jabiru would already do it instead of soldering on an extension for the
> 3300. terminating these ferrite core leads is also harder to do.
>
> putting the r plugs in last change cut my noise downn a little further,
> but my static tests suggest the HT leads radiate the most noise. Avoid
> adding more than the leads + the R plugs as its already over the normal
> system resistance by then.
>
> So other than trying the wiper to ground the flywheel, like someone in
> Europe did, I dont think there is much more to do.
> I have seen reports of
> shielding the cowl with mesh or conductive paint
> magnecore HT leads
> ferrite beads on HT leads
> filters on radio etc.
>
> all not having any useful effect.
> I suspect that some of the problem is that any one of those things
> alone might not be notcable to the user, without the benefit or testing
> in a repeatable environment. I used test equipment to find the best HT
> leads and r sparkplug combination, and various radio frequencies with
> known reference signals in flight, comparing the unmodified mag noise
> with the modified side. The L mag is always slightly noisier than R, so
> that has to be taken to account.
>
> If you study the graphs of my files, and flick between them or print
> them and overlay the traces, you can see the improvement made by each
> type of lead, and the fact that the improvements are different depending
> on the frequency being looked at. I have plots over much wider
> frequencies, and the inductive leads are best overall, even better than
> standard full shield aircraft leads (which are helical wire core, by the
> way)
>
> Its my belief that the coils will never be able to be totally
> suppressed, and to do better would mean shielding the distributors as
> well. but its more important that the engine is reliable. If the antenna
> is already in the tail theres no where else to go.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Ralph
>
>
> --- On Sun, 29/3/09, James, Clive R <clive.james@uk.bp...com> wrote:
>
> From: James, Clive R <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
> Subject: More Radio Noise
> To: sanson.r@xtra.co.nz
> Received: Sunday, 29 March, 2009, 10:25 PM
>
>
> Hi Ralph, I was reading your post on radio noise with interest.
> You suggest grounding the P lead shield at the engine end. I did it the
> other way, grounded on the panel earth as I felt a cleaner shield would
> be better and bringing the engine ground 'signal' into the plane would
> be a backward step.
> I did no end of shielding and have big cables on my ground circuits and
> still have a ropey radio.
> What's your thinking about grounding the P lead shields at the engine
> end?
> I'm open to any ideas to improve things and I suppose I could be taking
> the interference that is in the P lead into the panel.....
> BTW, the Antenna is a dipole in the tail which works very well in my
> other aircraft (Jabiru).
> Regards, Clive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: 31 March 2009 00:54
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Gear Leg shimmy
>
>
> Wayne
> I have an Esqual. a with jab 3300. My fix or relief came when I mounted
> my antenna, vhf-51, inside the vertical stabilizer and used rg 400
> cable. When it is stuck inside the fuselage only about 1/2 of it is
> mounted vertical, this is ok if you are doing steady aileron rolls, just
> kidding, so I thought why not in the tail where you get a total
> vertical antenna and it is as far away from the engine as possible.I can
> receive and send clear 100 plus miles Unicom frequency. I have a Garmin
> SL 40.
> Hope this helps Dave McC.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wayne Lenox" <waynelenox@juno.com>
> To: <lightning-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:42 PM
> Subject: Spam: Lightning-List: Lightning Gear Leg shimmy
>
>
>> --> <waynelenox@juno.com>
>>
>> I fixed my gear leg shimmy at 20 MPH. It was time for new tires and
>> remembered a post on this forum about changing to a heavier tire. I
>> ordered two 500X5 6PLY two groove monster retreads for the mains. No
>> problem with balance and now no problem with shimmy. I did need to
>> Make some slight changes to the wheel pants. I be a happy camper.
>> Now if I could only fix the noise in the radio.
>>
>> Wayne
>> N123WL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234128#234128
>>
>>
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Subject: | Re: new soon to be option for the Lightning |
Buz,
I suppose most of the faithful will think this is an "April Fools" joke.
But you and I know different.
Wait until you show up at Sun n Fun at the Splash In!!!!
I am so glad you decided to build the floats out of plywood instead of cast
iron. That lengthy discussion we had at your house over adult beverages pai
d
off!! It would have been a lot harder to make the molds.
I am also glad you give up on using the wheels and tires off your Corvette
to make them amphibious. I understand that you think the bicycle wheels a
nd
tires will be much lighter, but be sure and put lots of air in them to cut
down on the shimmy.
With just a little more work, you could use the floats for Aux tanks.
Gasoline is lighter than water, so it will make you ride even higher in the
water,
not to mention the possibility of a non-stop flight to California to break
Earl's record.
Better get that first flight in quick, Sun n Fun is just around the corner.
Blue thighs,
Doug Koenigsberg
In a message dated 4/1/2009 12:10:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich@aol.com writes:
All Lightning enthusiasts,
As you might expect, Nick and the Arion team get lots of suggestions for
the Lightning. These suggestions range from such things as changes to the
basic design, things to add as options, and even things that would add anot
her
flight capability for the airplane=99s operation. Being a very proact
ive group,
they evaluate all of the suggestions for the various pros and cons, and eve
n
do preliminary testing on some of the suggestions to determine if any shoul
d
be incorporated. Occasionally, someone=99s suggestion is determined
to have
great merit and that suggestion is then incorporated into the basis Lightni
ng
design, or into Arion=99s overall business plan. A little over a y
ear ago,
someone asked if it would be possible to put floats on the Lightning.
Obviously that is a very intriguing idea, but one that would require a grea
t amount
of time. First you must design the floats and subsystems, then produce a
working prototype set of floats, and finally to flight test them: Too much
time
for the ever busy Lightning Skunk Works team to take on.
But sometimes potentially good suggestions have a way of getting done even
if the =9Cfactory=9D guys are too busy to get directly involved
. So, not to let
a good idea go to waste, the Virginia detachment of the Lightning Skunk Wor
ks
team has been hard as work in a hangar at Wakefield airport (KAKQ), with th
e
goal of producing a prototype set of floats for the Lightning. Primary
credit for the design and fabrication work of the first set of floats goes
to Joe
Mathias. Joe is an absolute master craftsman in all types of aircraft
construction and has built and restored several Oshkosh champion aircraft i
n the
past. Of course, Joe was ably assisted in this monumental task by his bri
de
of many years, Linda Mathias who built Lightning kit #20, N59JL. The
prototype set of floats for the Lightning are constructed of marine and air
craft
quality plywood, but once the design has been flight tested, they will be u
sed
to produce a mold so that follow on floats can be quickly duplicated out of
fiberglass. The photos below (photos by Russell Hornsby) show the floats
mounted on the test aircraft, N31BZ, Buz=99s highly modified Esqual L
S (Lightning
Stuff). Heck, I might change the LS to LSS to mean Lightning Stuff Seaplan
e.
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Subject: | April Lightning newsletter is published |
All,
Just to let you know, the April Newsletter is now posted on both web
sites. The Arion Lightning web site is: _http://www.flylightning.net/_
(http://www.flylightning.net/)
And Jim Langley's web site is:
_http://www.jimslightning.com/html/newsletters.html_ (http://www.jimslightning.com/html/newsletters.html)
As always, please provide feedback and also future articles. And again,
I would encourage you to share it with your flying buddies, your EAA
chapter, and also print a few copies to leave laying around the airport lounge.
By
doing so, you provide some great advertising for the Lightning aircraft and
its dealers.
A new section in this issue is the Engine Clinic. This month has a
great article on the Bing carb by Pete Krotje. Pete will write a follow up
article on the Bing for the next issue as well.
One item that I did not get in the newsletter is the actual date and
time for the Lightning forum at Sun N Fun. As of this morning, that info is
still not known, so hopefully we can find out about it on this email exploder.
Be sure to attend the Lightning forum and ask Nick when they will be taking
orders for the new floats. And of course, the yearly Lightning enthusiast's
get together will be Friday at noon. Everyone is welcome, not just Lightning
owners and builders, so drop by and get a chance to meet some of the others
in the group. See you there.
Blue Skies,
Buz
**************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or
less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)
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Subject: | Lightning / Esqual Flying Time |
I must be tired. I forgot to add something in the last email about the
feedback I am getting from you readers on Lightning flying time. Remember the
purpose of this survey is kind of a marketing tool for when the SLSA Lightning
is on display in the Light Sport Aircraft Mall area at Sun N Fun. Many of
the people looking for a light sport aircraft will only look there and will
probably never have heard of the Lightning. They will think it is just some
"late entry" into the light sport market. However, we all know it is a
development of the very popular EAB Lightning that has been flying for about 3
years
with about 80 kits sold and about 50% of them already flying and so many
hours already flown by Lightnings around the world.
So here is where we stand so far. Of the 39 Lightnings that have flown, 19
of you have sent me your estimated flying time by the time Sun N Fun rolls
around. The 19 reporting in so far account for 2064 flying hours. We had 3
report in from OZ (Dennis' two demos and Pete Disher's), we have the 3 factory
aircraft (the prototype, the current demo, and the original demo now in
Brazil), and that leave 13 others reporting in. High time goes to World Record
Earl with 265 hours, second is the first demo with 250, and third goes to
"Rocky" Dick Cleavinger with 175.
For Esquals, we have 6 reporting in with a total of 1372 hours. Four were
from the US, one from OZ and one from the UK. High time is N31BZ with 540
(should easily be 550 by SNF time), second is Dave Mc Corkdale with 416, and
third is Allan Maxwell with 235.
OK, the rest of you Lightning and Esqual drivers, get your log book out,
find out how much time you now have, and send it in to me. You may be helping
sell some more Lightnings. And the more sold, the better the airplane becomes
known, and the more your personal jet will be worth.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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Subject: | RE: Radio Noise traces |
Dear Paul etc,
The best, easiest and only solution after many hours of noise is to run
the
radio avionics straight to the battery. In my aircraft the avionics
switch
does not have a bus or anything complicated, run a wire from the battery
to
the fuse, to switch, to radio etc, back to the battery, and hay presto,
no
noise and great reception.
Anthony Morrison
J160 & Lightning
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Sistern
- Parts for Aircraft
Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 10:10 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: RE: Radio Noise traces
The Bosch leads that Ralph constantly refers to on the Jab engine
website
are not available in the Northern hemisphere they are peculiar to Bosch
Oz.
James Hallam, who has a Twister with Jab 2200, has had a hell of a time
with
interference and I pointed him towards a UK company that manufactures
plug
leads for racing engines that employ the same technology used in the
Bosch
Oz leads. It made only a marginal difference, and not worth the =A3200
or so
quid he paid.
I have tried ferrites on the ignition coil leads and that was a total
waste
of time.
I don=92t know anyone who claims to have found a noise reduction from a
grounded shield on the P lead. But removing RFI is a black art and what
works in one installation can be hard to replicate in another.
I have come to the conclusion that there is no magic bullet. The best
thing
to do is what Jabiru do themselves and that is mount the aerial as far
away
from the engine as possible. Of course, if you can get a job at Jabiru
or
working for Jabiru, the RF disappears. Roger Lewis was deaf to it, I
wonder
if he can hear it now?
Cheers,
Paul
From: James, Clive R [mailto:clive.james@uk.bp.com]
Sent: 31 March 2009 07:38
Cc: Paul Sistern - Parts for Aircraft; Bob Panther
Subject: RE: Radio Noise traces
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/message/25762>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/message/25762
>From what I can see from the work Ralph has done the fixes are
associated
with:
Plug lead material, see the picture in the 'files' on the bottom link,
the
Bosch cable is shown. Link to Bosch leads on previous posts (aussie
website).
Ferrite beads on the Coil HT, never heard of this or thought of it,
seems
two leads help a third makes no difference. Seems a great cheap and easy
improvement.
Shielding the P, leads, we all probably know this but Ralph suggests
shielding is grounded at the engine end.
I did the opposite thinking I might import some RF into the panel area,
he
also suggests using the shield as the ground for the mag switch, can't
see
what difference that would make so won't change mine, it does remove a
wire
so would do it this way in the future.
8mm Ferrite beads are the order of the day!
Then new plug leads!
Regards, Clive
_____________________________________________
From: James, Clive R
Sent: 31 March 2009 07:14
Subject: Radio Noise traces
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/files/Radio%20noise/>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/files/Radio%20noise/
Clive R James
Harding OIM,
BP Exploration Operating Company Limited,
1 Wellheads Avenue, Dyce, Aberdeen AB21 7PB
Tel: +44 (0)1224 772982
Fax: +44 (0)1224 834896
e-mail: clive.james@bp.com
INK saving ECO SANS FONT used, <file:///\\www.ecofont.eu>
www.ecofont.eu
BP Exploration Operating Company Limited, a company registered in
England
and Wales with the company number 305943 and VAT number GB365678995 and
whose registered office is Chertsey Road, Sunbury on Thames, Middlesex
TW16
7BP
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
03/30/09 17:56:00
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Subject: | Official Lightning-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Lightning-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Lightning-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Lightning-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Lightning-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Lightning-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Lightning-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Lightning-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Lightning-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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