---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/01/09: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:06 AM - Re: new soon to be option for the Lightning (EAFerguson@AOL.COM) 2. 06:03 AM - Re: new soon to be option for the Lightning (GARY PENNINGTON) 3. 06:36 AM - Re: Re: Radio Noise traces (Mefford, Walt) 4. 09:26 AM - Re: new soon to be option for the Lightning () 5. 09:31 AM - Re: new soon to be option for the Lightning (tlhuffy@AOL.COM) 6. 01:32 PM - Re: new soon to be option for the Lightning (Wayne Lenox) 7. 04:03 PM - Re: Radio Interference (Dave) 8. 05:29 PM - Re: new soon to be option for the Lightning (Kayberg@aol.com) 9. 06:24 PM - April Lightning newsletter is published (N1BZRich@aol.com) 10. 06:46 PM - Lightning / Esqual Flying Time (N1BZRich@aol.com) 11. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: Radio Noise traces (Catalpa Aviation) 12. 11:01 PM - Official Lightning-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 13. 11:05 PM - Official Lightning-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:05 AM PST US From: EAFerguson@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: new soon to be option for the Lightning Buz, Let's see if I have this straight. You're going to leave SYI this AM, fly to VA, put the floats on and do the initial T. O. and (I presume) a landing. All this before April 1 is over. Now pull my other leg! Earl **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:51 AM PST US From: "GARY PENNINGTON" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: new soon to be option for the Lightning ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:31 AM PST US Subject: RE: Lightning-List: RE: Radio Noise traces From: "Mefford, Walt" I kind of got in late so I don't know the full story of your noise problems. * Do you here the noise when you're transmitting or receiving? * Does it sound like ignition noise or just a hash background? Walt Mefford GARMIN AT Manufacturing Test Engineering (503) 391-3343 walt.mefford@garmin.com N881WP ________________________________ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Sistern - Parts for Aircraft Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:10 PM Subject: Lightning-List: RE: Radio Noise traces The Bosch leads that Ralph constantly refers to on the Jab engine website are not available in the Northern hemisphere they are peculiar to Bosch Oz. James Hallam, who has a Twister with Jab 2200, has had a hell of a time with interference and I pointed him towards a UK company that manufactures plug leads for racing engines that employ the same technology used in the Bosch Oz leads. It made only a marginal difference, and not worth the =C2=A3200 or so quid he paid. I have tried ferrites on the ignition coil leads and that was a total waste of time. I don't know anyone who claims to have found a noise reduction from a grounded shield on the P lead. But removing RFI is a black art and what works in one installation can be hard to replicate in another. I have come to the conclusion that there is no magic bullet. The best thing to do is what Jabiru do themselves and that is mount the aerial as far away from the engine as possible. Of course, if you can get a job at Jabiru or working for Jabiru, the RF disappears. Roger Lewis was deaf to it, I wonder if he can hear it now? Cheers, Paul From: James, Clive R [mailto:clive.james@uk.bp.com] Sent: 31 March 2009 07:38 Cc: Paul Sistern - Parts for Aircraft; Bob Panther Subject: RE: Radio Noise traces http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/message/25762 >From what I can see from the work Ralph has done the fixes are associated with: Plug lead material, see the picture in the 'files' on the bottom link, the Bosch cable is shown. Link to Bosch leads on previous posts (aussie website). Ferrite beads on the Coil HT, never heard of this or thought of it, seems two leads help a third makes no difference. Seems a great cheap and easy improvement. Shielding the P, leads, we all probably know this but Ralph suggests shielding is grounded at the engine end. I did the opposite thinking I might import some RF into the panel area, he also suggests using the shield as the ground for the mag switch, can't see what difference that would make so won't change mine, it does remove a wire so would do it this way in the future. 8mm Ferrite beads are the order of the day! Then new plug leads! 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If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:19 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Lightning-List: new soon to be option for the Lightning Buz, I saw the April newsletter and it had another picture of your "plane of floats". It appears to me that you are playing an April fools joke. I believe that I can still see the shadow of the front wheel in this other picture. I won't tell anybody though. Earnie Fontenot P.S. You will hear from me again soon as me and three others have bought John Davis' Lightning (#14). ---- N1BZRich@aol.com wrote: > > All Lightning enthusiasts, > As you might expect, Nick and the Arion team get lots of suggestions for > the Lightning. These suggestions range from such things as changes to the basic > design, things to add as options, and even things that would add another > flight capability for the airplanes operation. Being a very proactive group, > they evaluate all of the suggestions for the various pros and cons, and even > do preliminary testing on some of the suggestions to determine if any should > be incorporated. Occasionally, someones suggestion is determined to have > great merit and that suggestion is then incorporated into the basis Lightning > design, or into Arions overall business plan. A little over a year ago, > someone asked if it would be possible to put floats on the Lightning. Obviously > that is a very intriguing idea, but one that would require a great amount of > time. First you must design the floats and subsystems, then produce a > working prototype set of floats, and finally to flight test them: Too much time for > the ever busy Lightning Skunk Works team to take on. > But sometimes potentially good suggestions have a way of getting done even > if the factory guys are too busy to get directly involved. So, not to let > a good idea go to waste, the Virginia detachment of the Lightning Skunk Works > team has been hard as work in a hangar at Wakefield airport (KAKQ), with the > goal of producing a prototype set of floats for the Lightning. Primary > credit for the design and fabrication work of the first set of floats goes to Joe > Mathias. Joe is an absolute master craftsman in all types of aircraft > construction and has built and restored several Oshkosh champion aircraft in the > past. Of course, Joe was ably assisted in this monumental task by his bride > of many years, Linda Mathias who built Lightning kit #20, N59JL. The > prototype set of floats for the Lightning are constructed of marine and aircraft > quality plywood, but once the design has been flight tested, they will be used > to produce a mold so that follow on floats can be quickly duplicated out of > fiberglass. The photos below (photos by Russell Hornsby) show the floats > mounted on the test aircraft, N31BZ, Buzs highly modified Esqual LS (Lightning > Stuff). Heck, I might change the LS to LSS to mean Lightning Stuff Seaplane. > > This photo was made on the initial roll out day, but since that time, water > rudders have been added to the floats and are tied directly into the aircraft > s rudder cables. We have also built a dolly that will allow the airplane > to takeoff from a land base. The dolly also makes it easy to move the > airplane around the hangar. Initial water landing and taxi testing is planned > for a secluded cove in the nearby James River. We are planning to make the > initial water landing later this afternoon, April 1. > Blue Skies, > Buz > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: new soon to be option for the Lightning From: tlhuffy@AOL.COM Good one Buz -----Original Message----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:08 pm Subject: Lightning-List: new soon to be option for the Lightning All Lightning enthusiasts, As you might expect, Nick and the Arion team get lots of suggestions for the Lightning.=C2- These suggestions range from such things as changes to the basic design, things to add as options, and even things that would add anot her flight capability for the airplane=99s operation.=C2- Being a ve ry proactive group, they evaluate all of the suggestions for the various pro s and cons, and even do preliminary testing on some of the suggestions to de termine if any should be incorporated.=C2- Occasionally, someone=99s suggestion is determined to have great merit and that suggestion is then in corporated into the basis Lightning design, or into Arion=99s overall business plan.=C2-=C2- A little over a year ago, someone asked if it wou ld be possible to put floats on the Lightning.=C2-=C2- Obviously that is a very intriguing idea, but one that would require a great amount of time. =C2-First you must design the floats and subsystems, then produce a workin g prototype set of floats, and finally to flight test them: Too much time fo r the ever busy Lightning Skunk Works team to take on. But sometimes potentially good suggestions have a way of getting done even i f the =9Cfactory=9D guys are too busy to get directly involved. =C2- So, not to let a good idea go to waste, the Virginia detachment of the Lightning Skunk Works team has been hard as work in a=C2-hangar at Wakefield airport (KAKQ), with the goal of producing a p rototype set of floats for the Lightning.=C2- Primary credit for the desig n and fabrication work of the first set of floats goes to Joe Mathias.=C2 - Joe is an absolute master craftsman in all types of aircraft constructio n and has built and restored several Oshkosh champion aircraft in the past. =C2-=C2- Of course, Joe was ably assisted in this monumental task by his bride of many years, Linda Mathias who built Lightning kit #20, N59JL.=C2 - The prototype set of floats for the Lightning are constructed of marine and aircraft quality plywood, but once the design has been flight tested, th ey will be used to produce a mold so that follow on floats can be quickly du plicated out of fiberglass.=C2- The photos below (photos by Russell Hornsb y) show the floats mounted on the test aircraft, N31BZ, Buz=99s highly modified Esqual LS (Lightning Stuff).=C2- Heck, I might change the LS to LSS to mean Lightning Stuff Seaplane.=C2- This photo was made on the initial roll out day, but since that time, water rudders have been added to the floats and are tied directly into the aircraf t=99s rudder cables.=C2- We have also built a dolly that will allow the airplane to takeoff from a =9Cland base=9D.=C2- The dolly also makes it easy to move the airplane around the hangar.=C2- Initial wat er landing and taxi testing is planned for a secluded=2 0cove in the nearby James River.=C2- We are planning to make the initial w ater landing later this afternoon, April 1.=C2- Blue Skies, Buz Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:12 PM PST US From: "Wayne Lenox" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: new soon to be option for the Lightning It is April first!!!! Please note: message attached From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Lightning-List: new soon to be option for the Lightning ____________________________________________________________ Is your bra causing you pain? Click here to find a bra that fits right. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTKXitlfQgdcbLGkjwPtz7s Zz7xQbu2gQzW8OSWzYmW6vrZ3N231UM/ All Lightning enthusiasts, As you might expect, Nick and the Arion team get lots of suggestions for the Lightning. These suggestions range from such things as changes to the b asic design, things to add as options, and even things that would add another flight capability for the airplane=99s operation. Being a very proac tive group, they evaluate all of the suggestions for the various pros and cons, and eve n do preliminary testing on some of the suggestions to determine if any shoul d be incorporated. Occasionally, someone=99s suggestion is determined to have great merit and that suggestion is then incorporated into the basis Lightni ng design, or into Arion=99s overall business plan. A little over a yea r ago, someone asked if it would be possible to put floats on the Lightning. Obv iously that is a very intriguing idea, but one that would require a great amount o f time. First you must design the floats and subsystems, then produce a working prototype set of floats, and finally to flight test them: Too much time for the ever busy Lightning Skunk Works team to take on. But sometimes potentially good suggestions have a way of getting done even if the =9Cfactory=9D guys are too busy to get directly involved . So, not to let a good idea go to waste, the Virginia detachment of the Lightning Skunk Wor ks team has been hard as work in a hangar at Wakefield airport (KAKQ), with th e goal of producing a prototype set of floats for the Lightning. Primary credit for the design and fabrication work of the first set of floats goes to Joe Mathias. Joe is an absolute master craftsman in all types of aircraft construction and has built and restored several Oshkosh champion aircraft i n the past. Of course, Joe was ably assisted in this monumental task by his bri de of many years, Linda Mathias who built Lightning kit #20, N59JL. The prototype set of floats for the Lightning are constructed of marine and air craft quality plywood, but once the design has been flight tested, they will be u sed to produce a mold so that follow on floats can be quickly duplicated out of fiberglass. The photos below (photos by Russell Hornsby) show the floats mounted on the test aircraft, N31BZ, Buz=99s highly modified Esqual L S (Lightning Stuff). Heck, I might change the LS to LSS to mean Lightning Stuff Seaplane . This photo was made on the initial roll out day, but since that time, water rudders have been added to the floats and are tied directly into the aircra ft=99 s rudder cables. We have also built a dolly that will allow the airplane to takeoff from a =9Cland base=9D. The dolly also makes it easy to move the airplane around the hangar. Initial water landing and taxi testing is plan ned for a secluded cove in the nearby James River. We are planning to make th e initial water landing later this afternoon, April 1. Blue Skies, Buz **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 o r less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:27 PM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Radio Interference Advanced Aircraft VHF-51 is a no ground flat bondable antenna that I believe Nick is still using Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "James, Clive R" Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:35 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Radio Interference > > > Some comments from a guy on the Yahoo engines list who's been helping > folk out. > > He's done extensive testing around the RFI that the Jabiru engine emits. > If I find the rest I'll post the link on here. > I did extra screening on my Esqual system and the radio still isn't as > good as my Jabiru. > Both have tail dipoles which should be a far better antenna than a > quarter wave fuselage one. However, I have been told of problems with > structure and even paint possibly masking the antenna in a tail. > > Dave, what's a vhf-51? > > Regards, Clive > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > > Yes the bosch leads you found look to be the same as I used. They have a > number marking on them something like 365 however some leads had a > different number. look at the picture in the files, you can read the > markings there. The Bosch premade leads cost $6 each here > > New Jabiru engines, on the website, appear to have similar leads fitted, > not the old red carbon ones. > > Screening the coil leads can be by braid or spiral winding copper tape > over them. But I dont like the idea as its easy to get breakdown > especially the 3300 where moisture could track via the joint. the same > level of improvement is obtained with 2 ferrite beads to each lead. 3 > beads is more than needed, if you want to make sure of it. The best > beads are hard to find now, the ones I got were ideal. > > Ralph > > --- On Tue, 31/3/09, James, Clive R wrote: > > From: James, Clive R > Subject: RE: More Radio Noise > To: sanson.r@xtra.co.nz > Received: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009, 12:33 AM > > > Thanks very much for the detailed feedback, I must have missed the > earlier explanation you made I'll have a dig back in Yahoo. > I've just replaced my plug leads on the 2200 plane as it's done 1060 hrs > and I was getting some breakdown. Not expensive as I made them up, but > the price of auto plug leads isn't great so I'll look into changing them > on my 3300 as that is the one with the worst radio. > When you say Bosch ferrite core helical resistance wire are these > standard leads or something different? > I've had a surf and come up with this page > http://www.bosch.com.au/content/language1/html/2253.htm > Doesn't figure on the UK website though. > > Screening the coil leads would be by fitting a grounded braid? > > Sounds like you've done some great work which it would be really good if > Jabiru picked up on..... > > Regards, Clive > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------- > From: Ralph S [mailto:sanson.r@xtra.co.nz] > Sent: 29 March 2009 22:51 > To: James, Clive R > Subject: Re: More Radio Noise > > > Hi Clive, > > Yes your idea of grounding the shields at the cockpit end does make > sense and I have tried it that way and with both ends grounded. But the > reason I say to only do it at the engine is mainly to avoid any > circulating currents getting to the electronics in the coils when for > instance you are cranking the engine with mags off or flying with one > disabled (because a rotor slipped and causes misfiring on that mag, > whatever. You then have a situation where the electronics in the coil is > subject to the voltage difference between the cabin ground and the > engine ground, with 200 amps starting current that may be 2 volts. Its > just not good practice. I flew my C150 for a couple of years before > discovering it had no earth straps fitted across the rubber engine > mounts (there should be 2) meaning the 400 amps starter current return > to the battery was soley via the throttle, mixture and various scat > hoses wires that connect to the fuselage! No wonder it was a slow > starter. > > The jabiru charging regulator does put out some spike noise which can > make a pitter patter on the audio systems, but in my case its not a > problem and I dont have a large capacitor like the Rotax recommend. I do > have a large battery and its direct connected to the regulator both > sense and charge wires no switch contacts to cause trouble. > > For eliminating the ignition noise, for my engine the most dominant > noise by a large amount, The best step was to replace the carbon film > leads (cars stopped using these after the 70's) with some Bosch ferrite > core helical resistance wire ones off the rack at our local car parts > store. I have no opportunity to test other brands, but assume Bosch > supply this lead to many european cars so its a matter of buying 8 leads > long enough to cut off the straight plug connector and crimp the angled > connectos on. > > 2nd step was to bead or shield the coil lead. This is a copper wire > lead. Some have said it can be replaced at the coil but if that was easy > Jabiru would already do it instead of soldering on an extension for the > 3300. terminating these ferrite core leads is also harder to do. > > putting the r plugs in last change cut my noise downn a little further, > but my static tests suggest the HT leads radiate the most noise. Avoid > adding more than the leads + the R plugs as its already over the normal > system resistance by then. > > So other than trying the wiper to ground the flywheel, like someone in > Europe did, I dont think there is much more to do. > I have seen reports of > shielding the cowl with mesh or conductive paint > magnecore HT leads > ferrite beads on HT leads > filters on radio etc. > > all not having any useful effect. > I suspect that some of the problem is that any one of those things > alone might not be notcable to the user, without the benefit or testing > in a repeatable environment. I used test equipment to find the best HT > leads and r sparkplug combination, and various radio frequencies with > known reference signals in flight, comparing the unmodified mag noise > with the modified side. The L mag is always slightly noisier than R, so > that has to be taken to account. > > If you study the graphs of my files, and flick between them or print > them and overlay the traces, you can see the improvement made by each > type of lead, and the fact that the improvements are different depending > on the frequency being looked at. I have plots over much wider > frequencies, and the inductive leads are best overall, even better than > standard full shield aircraft leads (which are helical wire core, by the > way) > > Its my belief that the coils will never be able to be totally > suppressed, and to do better would mean shielding the distributors as > well. but its more important that the engine is reliable. If the antenna > is already in the tail theres no where else to go. > > Good luck. > > Ralph > > > --- On Sun, 29/3/09, James, Clive R wrote: > > From: James, Clive R > Subject: More Radio Noise > To: sanson.r@xtra.co.nz > Received: Sunday, 29 March, 2009, 10:25 PM > > > Hi Ralph, I was reading your post on radio noise with interest. > You suggest grounding the P lead shield at the engine end. I did it the > other way, grounded on the panel earth as I felt a cleaner shield would > be better and bringing the engine ground 'signal' into the plane would > be a backward step. > I did no end of shielding and have big cables on my ground circuits and > still have a ropey radio. > What's your thinking about grounding the P lead shields at the engine > end? > I'm open to any ideas to improve things and I suppose I could be taking > the interference that is in the P lead into the panel..... > BTW, the Antenna is a dipole in the tail which works very well in my > other aircraft (Jabiru). > Regards, Clive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave > Sent: 31 March 2009 00:54 > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Gear Leg shimmy > > > Wayne > I have an Esqual. a with jab 3300. My fix or relief came when I mounted > my antenna, vhf-51, inside the vertical stabilizer and used rg 400 > cable. When it is stuck inside the fuselage only about 1/2 of it is > mounted vertical, this is ok if you are doing steady aileron rolls, just > kidding, so I thought why not in the tail where you get a total > vertical antenna and it is as far away from the engine as possible.I can > receive and send clear 100 plus miles Unicom frequency. I have a Garmin > SL 40. > Hope this helps Dave McC. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne Lenox" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:42 PM > Subject: Spam: Lightning-List: Lightning Gear Leg shimmy > > >> --> >> >> I fixed my gear leg shimmy at 20 MPH. It was time for new tires and >> remembered a post on this forum about changing to a heavier tire. I >> ordered two 500X5 6PLY two groove monster retreads for the mains. No >> problem with balance and now no problem with shimmy. I did need to >> Make some slight changes to the wheel pants. I be a happy camper. >> Now if I could only fix the noise in the radio. >> >> Wayne >> N123WL >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234128#234128 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:21 PM PST US From: Kayberg@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: new soon to be option for the Lightning Buz, I suppose most of the faithful will think this is an "April Fools" joke. But you and I know different. Wait until you show up at Sun n Fun at the Splash In!!!! I am so glad you decided to build the floats out of plywood instead of cast iron. That lengthy discussion we had at your house over adult beverages pai d off!! It would have been a lot harder to make the molds. I am also glad you give up on using the wheels and tires off your Corvette to make them amphibious. I understand that you think the bicycle wheels a nd tires will be much lighter, but be sure and put lots of air in them to cut down on the shimmy. With just a little more work, you could use the floats for Aux tanks. Gasoline is lighter than water, so it will make you ride even higher in the water, not to mention the possibility of a non-stop flight to California to break Earl's record. Better get that first flight in quick, Sun n Fun is just around the corner. Blue thighs, Doug Koenigsberg In a message dated 4/1/2009 12:10:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich@aol.com writes: All Lightning enthusiasts, As you might expect, Nick and the Arion team get lots of suggestions for the Lightning. These suggestions range from such things as changes to the basic design, things to add as options, and even things that would add anot her flight capability for the airplane=99s operation. Being a very proact ive group, they evaluate all of the suggestions for the various pros and cons, and eve n do preliminary testing on some of the suggestions to determine if any shoul d be incorporated. Occasionally, someone=99s suggestion is determined to have great merit and that suggestion is then incorporated into the basis Lightni ng design, or into Arion=99s overall business plan. A little over a y ear ago, someone asked if it would be possible to put floats on the Lightning. Obviously that is a very intriguing idea, but one that would require a grea t amount of time. First you must design the floats and subsystems, then produce a working prototype set of floats, and finally to flight test them: Too much time for the ever busy Lightning Skunk Works team to take on. But sometimes potentially good suggestions have a way of getting done even if the =9Cfactory=9D guys are too busy to get directly involved . So, not to let a good idea go to waste, the Virginia detachment of the Lightning Skunk Wor ks team has been hard as work in a hangar at Wakefield airport (KAKQ), with th e goal of producing a prototype set of floats for the Lightning. Primary credit for the design and fabrication work of the first set of floats goes to Joe Mathias. Joe is an absolute master craftsman in all types of aircraft construction and has built and restored several Oshkosh champion aircraft i n the past. Of course, Joe was ably assisted in this monumental task by his bri de of many years, Linda Mathias who built Lightning kit #20, N59JL. The prototype set of floats for the Lightning are constructed of marine and air craft quality plywood, but once the design has been flight tested, they will be u sed to produce a mold so that follow on floats can be quickly duplicated out of fiberglass. The photos below (photos by Russell Hornsby) show the floats mounted on the test aircraft, N31BZ, Buz=99s highly modified Esqual L S (Lightning Stuff). Heck, I might change the LS to LSS to mean Lightning Stuff Seaplan e. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:42 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Lightning-List: April Lightning newsletter is published All, Just to let you know, the April Newsletter is now posted on both web sites. The Arion Lightning web site is: _http://www.flylightning.net/_ (http://www.flylightning.net/) And Jim Langley's web site is: _http://www.jimslightning.com/html/newsletters.html_ (http://www.jimslightning.com/html/newsletters.html) As always, please provide feedback and also future articles. And again, I would encourage you to share it with your flying buddies, your EAA chapter, and also print a few copies to leave laying around the airport lounge. By doing so, you provide some great advertising for the Lightning aircraft and its dealers. A new section in this issue is the Engine Clinic. This month has a great article on the Bing carb by Pete Krotje. Pete will write a follow up article on the Bing for the next issue as well. One item that I did not get in the newsletter is the actual date and time for the Lightning forum at Sun N Fun. As of this morning, that info is still not known, so hopefully we can find out about it on this email exploder. Be sure to attend the Lightning forum and ask Nick when they will be taking orders for the new floats. And of course, the yearly Lightning enthusiast's get together will be Friday at noon. Everyone is welcome, not just Lightning owners and builders, so drop by and get a chance to meet some of the others in the group. See you there. Blue Skies, Buz **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:20 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning / Esqual Flying Time I must be tired. I forgot to add something in the last email about the feedback I am getting from you readers on Lightning flying time. Remember the purpose of this survey is kind of a marketing tool for when the SLSA Lightning is on display in the Light Sport Aircraft Mall area at Sun N Fun. Many of the people looking for a light sport aircraft will only look there and will probably never have heard of the Lightning. They will think it is just some "late entry" into the light sport market. However, we all know it is a development of the very popular EAB Lightning that has been flying for about 3 years with about 80 kits sold and about 50% of them already flying and so many hours already flown by Lightnings around the world. So here is where we stand so far. Of the 39 Lightnings that have flown, 19 of you have sent me your estimated flying time by the time Sun N Fun rolls around. The 19 reporting in so far account for 2064 flying hours. We had 3 report in from OZ (Dennis' two demos and Pete Disher's), we have the 3 factory aircraft (the prototype, the current demo, and the original demo now in Brazil), and that leave 13 others reporting in. High time goes to World Record Earl with 265 hours, second is the first demo with 250, and third goes to "Rocky" Dick Cleavinger with 175. For Esquals, we have 6 reporting in with a total of 1372 hours. Four were from the US, one from OZ and one from the UK. High time is N31BZ with 540 (should easily be 550 by SNF time), second is Dave Mc Corkdale with 416, and third is Allan Maxwell with 235. OK, the rest of you Lightning and Esqual drivers, get your log book out, find out how much time you now have, and send it in to me. You may be helping sell some more Lightnings. And the more sold, the better the airplane becomes known, and the more your personal jet will be worth. Blue Skies, Buz **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:51 PM PST US From: "Catalpa Aviation" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: RE: Radio Noise traces Dear Paul etc, The best, easiest and only solution after many hours of noise is to run the radio avionics straight to the battery. In my aircraft the avionics switch does not have a bus or anything complicated, run a wire from the battery to the fuse, to switch, to radio etc, back to the battery, and hay presto, no noise and great reception. Anthony Morrison J160 & Lightning _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Sistern - Parts for Aircraft Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 10:10 AM Subject: Lightning-List: RE: Radio Noise traces The Bosch leads that Ralph constantly refers to on the Jab engine website are not available in the Northern hemisphere they are peculiar to Bosch Oz. James Hallam, who has a Twister with Jab 2200, has had a hell of a time with interference and I pointed him towards a UK company that manufactures plug leads for racing engines that employ the same technology used in the Bosch Oz leads. It made only a marginal difference, and not worth the =A3200 or so quid he paid. I have tried ferrites on the ignition coil leads and that was a total waste of time. I don=92t know anyone who claims to have found a noise reduction from a grounded shield on the P lead. But removing RFI is a black art and what works in one installation can be hard to replicate in another. I have come to the conclusion that there is no magic bullet. The best thing to do is what Jabiru do themselves and that is mount the aerial as far away from the engine as possible. Of course, if you can get a job at Jabiru or working for Jabiru, the RF disappears. Roger Lewis was deaf to it, I wonder if he can hear it now? Cheers, Paul From: James, Clive R [mailto:clive.james@uk.bp.com] Sent: 31 March 2009 07:38 Cc: Paul Sistern - Parts for Aircraft; Bob Panther Subject: RE: Radio Noise traces http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/message/25762 >From what I can see from the work Ralph has done the fixes are associated with: Plug lead material, see the picture in the 'files' on the bottom link, the Bosch cable is shown. Link to Bosch leads on previous posts (aussie website). Ferrite beads on the Coil HT, never heard of this or thought of it, seems two leads help a third makes no difference. Seems a great cheap and easy improvement. Shielding the P, leads, we all probably know this but Ralph suggests shielding is grounded at the engine end. I did the opposite thinking I might import some RF into the panel area, he also suggests using the shield as the ground for the mag switch, can't see what difference that would make so won't change mine, it does remove a wire so would do it this way in the future. 8mm Ferrite beads are the order of the day! Then new plug leads! Regards, Clive _____________________________________________ From: James, Clive R Sent: 31 March 2009 07:14 Subject: Radio Noise traces http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/files/Radio%20noise/ Clive R James Harding OIM, BP Exploration Operating Company Limited, 1 Wellheads Avenue, Dyce, Aberdeen AB21 7PB Tel: +44 (0)1224 772982 Fax: +44 (0)1224 834896 e-mail: clive.james@bp.com INK saving ECO SANS FONT used, www.ecofont.eu BP Exploration Operating Company Limited, a company registered in England and Wales with the company number 305943 and VAT number GB365678995 and whose registered office is Chertsey Road, Sunbury on Thames, Middlesex TW16 7BP Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 03/30/09 17:56:00 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:22 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Lightning-List: Official Lightning-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) Dear Listers, Please read over the Lightning-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. 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Failure to use the Lightning-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Lightning-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Lightning-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. 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