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1. 06:42 AM - Re: Have faith, be patient... (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
2. 06:54 AM - Re: Have faith, be patient... (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
3. 10:12 AM - Re: Have faith, be patient... (GARY PENNINGTON)
4. 10:46 AM - Re: Have faith, be patient... (Mefford, Walt)
5. 12:48 PM - Re: Have faith, be patient... (Wayne Lenox)
6. 02:48 PM - Re: Have faith, be patient... (GARY PENNINGTON)
7. 02:48 PM - Re: Have faith, be patient... (GARY PENNINGTON)
8. 02:50 PM - Re: Dougs response to Gary II (wampam)
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In a message dated 5/18/2009 9:29:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pennington@q.com writes:
The paint lifted after fuel escaped from the vent tube and ran down the
wing.
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In a message dated 5/18/2009 9:29:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pennington@q.com writes:
The paint lifted after fuel escaped from the vent tube and ran down the
wing.
Hi again Gary,
I have been meaning to write again sooner, but have been just too busy
to find the time to put together a message. But your tank issue and
certainly your above comment really concerns me. Something else is going on in
your tanks. There is just no way that auto fuel, even with ethanol,
running down your wing would cause the paint to lift. Something else is going
on
- meaning something else must have been in the fuel or the tank. I have
no idea as to how it got there, and that is the part that concerns me. I
have done some recent research on the Kreem that is used to slosh the tanks
and no fuel (auto or 100 LL) should be able to lift it once it is cured.
And it would have been well cured before you got your wings. Anyway, I hope
that you will soon be back in the air and enjoying your airplane again.
When you have the time, please consider an article for the newsletter
outlining your problem, the fixes you have gone through, and any lessons learned
and or recommendations you might have. The next issue of the newsletter
(June) is almost done and I hope to get it out before 1 June, but I will
"hold the press" so to speak if you have something by early next week. After
that I will be busy with the Virginia Regional Fly -In. Hope to get the
June issue out before it starts.
Blue Skies,
Buz
PS: Go easy on Doug, he really is an OK guy - most of the time. ;-)
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Good morning Buz
I really don't know what caused the mess. I wish I did. I do know it has
been a major amount of work and expense. I have spoken to other builders
of similar aircraft using Kreem sealant and they have described the same
problems. Maybe there is something in auto fuel????
I just finished the second coat of new sealant on one of the tanks. It
looks pretty good. I was able to remove most of the old stuff. I will
keep my fingers crossed.
Thanks for your concern.
Gary Pennington
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From: N1BZRich@aol.com<mailto:N1BZRich@aol.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient...
In a message dated 5/18/2009 9:29:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pennington@q.com<mailto:pennington@q.com> writes:
The paint lifted after fuel escaped from the vent tube and ran down
the wing.
Hi again Gary,
I have been meaning to write again sooner, but have been just too
busy to find the time to put together a message. But your tank issue
and certainly your above comment really concerns me. Something else is
going on in your tanks. There is just no way that auto fuel, even with
ethanol, running down your wing would cause the paint to lift.
Something else is going on - meaning something else must have been in
the fuel or the tank. I have no idea as to how it got there, and that
is the part that concerns me. I have done some recent research on the
Kreem that is used to slosh the tanks and no fuel (auto or 100 LL)
should be able to lift it once it is cured. And it would have been well
cured before you got your wings. Anyway, I hope that you will soon be
back in the air and enjoying your airplane again. When you have the
time, please consider an article for the newsletter outlining your
problem, the fixes you have gone through, and any lessons learned and or
recommendations you might have. The next issue of the newsletter (June)
is almost done and I hope to get it out before 1 June, but I will "hold
the press" so to speak if you have something by early next week. After
that I will be busy with the Virginia Regional Fly -In. Hope to get the
June issue out before it starts.
Blue Skies,
Buz
PS: Go easy on Doug, he really is an OK guy - most of the time. ;-)
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What is the brand name and P/N of the sealant?
Walt Mefford
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t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient...
Good morning Buz
I really don't know what caused the mess. I wish I did. I do know it has be
en a major amount of work and expense. I have spoken to other builders of s
imilar aircraft using Kreem sealant and they have described the same proble
ms. Maybe there is something in auto fuel????
I just finished the second coat of new sealant on one of the tanks. It look
s pretty good. I was able to remove most of the old stuff. I will keep my f
ingers crossed.
Thanks for your concern.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com<mailto:N1BZRich@aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient...
In a message dated 5/18/2009 9:29:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pennington
@q.com<mailto:pennington@q.com> writes:
The paint lifted after fuel escaped from the vent tube and ran down the win
g.
Hi again Gary,
I have been meaning to write again sooner, but have been just too busy
to find the time to put together a message. But your tank issue and certai
nly your above comment really concerns me. Something else is going on in y
our tanks. There is just no way that auto fuel, even with ethanol, running
down your wing would cause the paint to lift. Something else is going on
- meaning something else must have been in the fuel or the tank. I have no
idea as to how it got there, and that is the part that concerns me. I ha
ve done some recent research on the Kreem that is used to slosh the tanks a
nd no fuel (auto or 100 LL) should be able to lift it once it is cured. An
d it would have been well cured before you got your wings. Anyway, I hope
that you will soon be back in the air and enjoying your airplane again. Wh
en you have the time, please consider an article for the newsletter outlini
ng your problem, the fixes you have gone through, and any lessons learned a
nd or recommendations you might have. The next issue of the newsletter (Ju
ne) is almost done and I hope to get it out before 1 June, but I will "hold
the press" so to speak if you have something by early next week. After th
at I will be busy with the Virginia Regional Fly -In. Hope to get the June
issue out before it starts.
Blue Skies,
Buz
PS: Go easy on Doug, he really is an OK guy - most of the time. ;-)
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Gary
How are you resealing the tanks. Did you remove the tank?
Wayne Lenox
N123WL
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From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington@q.com>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient...
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->Good morning Buz I really don't know what caused the mess. I wish I di
d. I do know it has been a major amount of work and expense. I have spok
en to other builders of similar aircraft using Kreem sealant and they ha
ve described the same problems. Maybe there is something in auto fuel???
? I just finished the second coat of new sealant on one of the tanks. I
t looks pretty good. I was able to remove most of the old stuff. I will
keep my fingers crossed. Thanks for your concern.Gary Pennington----- Or
iginal Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics
.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:53 AMSubject: Re: Lightning-List: H
ave faith, be patient...
In a message dated 5/18/2009 9:29:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, penning
ton@q.com writes:The paint lifted after fuel escaped from the vent tube
and ran down the wing.Hi again Gary, I have been meaning to write aga
in sooner, but have been just too busy to find the time to put together
a message. But your tank issue and certainly your above comment really
concerns me. Something else is going on in your tanks. There is just n
o way that auto fuel, even with ethanol, running down your wing would ca
use the paint to lift. Something else is going on - meaning something e
lse must have been in the fuel or the tank. I have no idea as to how it
got there, and that is the part that concerns me. I have done some re
cent research on the Kreem that is used to slosh the tanks and no fuel (
auto or 100 LL) should be able to lift it once it is cured. And it woul
d have been well cured before you got your wings. Anyway, I hope that y
ou will soon be back in the air and enjoying your airplane again. When
you have the time, please consider an article for the newsletter outlini
ng your problem, the fixes you have gone through, and any lessons learne
d and or recommendations you might have. The next issue of the newslett
er (June) is almost done and I hope to get it out before 1 June, but I w
ill "hold the press" so to speak if you have something by early next wee
k. After that I will be busy with the Virginia Regional Fly -In. Hope
to get the June issue out before it starts.Blue Skies,Buz PS: Go easy o
n Doug, he really is an OK guy - most of the time. ;-)
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Hello Wayne
I removed both wings. I did not cut the tanks out of the wings. I used
Acetone to soak and remove most of the old sealant. I am using the same
"Kreem" brand to reseal.
Have a great day
Gary PEnnington
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From: Wayne Lenox<mailto:waynelenox@juno.com>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient...
Gary
How are you resealing the tanks. Did you remove the tank?
Wayne Lenox
N123WL
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From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington@q.com<mailto:pennington@q.com>>
To:
<lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient...
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:57:56 -0700
Good morning Buz
I really don't know what caused the mess. I wish I did. I do know it
has been a major amount of work and expense. I have spoken to other
builders of similar aircraft using Kreem sealant and they have described
the same problems. Maybe there is something in auto fuel????
I just finished the second coat of new sealant on one of the tanks. It
looks pretty good. I was able to remove most of the old stuff. I will
keep my fingers crossed.
Thanks for your concern.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com<mailto:N1BZRich@aol.com>
To:
lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient...
In a message dated 5/18/2009 9:29:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pennington@q.com<mailto:pennington@q.com> writes:
The paint lifted after fuel escaped from the vent tube and ran
down the wing.
Hi again Gary,
I have been meaning to write again sooner, but have been just
too busy to find the time to put together a message. But your tank
issue and certainly your above comment really concerns me. Something
else is going on in your tanks. There is just no way that auto fuel,
even with ethanol, running down your wing would cause the paint to lift.
Something else is going on - meaning something else must have been in
the fuel or the tank. I have no idea as to how it got there, and that
is the part that concerns me. I have done some recent research on the
Kreem that is used to slosh the tanks and no fuel (auto or 100 LL)
should be able to lift it once it is cured. And it would have been well
cured before you got your wings. Anyway, I hope that you will soon be
back in the air and enjoying your airplane again. When you have the
time, please consider an article for the newsletter outlining your
problem, the fixes you have gone through, and any lessons learned and or
recommendations you might have. The next issue of the newsletter (June)
is almost done and I hope to get it out before 1 June, but I will "hold
the press" so to speak if you have something by early next week. After
that I will be busy with the Virginia Regional Fly -In. Hope to get the
June issue out before it starts.
Blue Skies,
Buz
PS: Go easy on Doug, he really is an OK guy - most of the time.
;-)
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Hey Walt
The brand name is "Kreem" fuel tank liner. Do not have a part number.
The company is in Somis, California.
Gary
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To:
'lightning-list@matronics.com'<mailto:'lightning-list@matronics.com'>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:17 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient...
What is the brand name and P/N of the sealant?
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Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:58 AM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient...
Good morning Buz
I really don't know what caused the mess. I wish I did. I do know it
has been a major amount of work and expense. I have spoken to other
builders of similar aircraft using Kreem sealant and they have described
the same problems. Maybe there is something in auto fuel????
I just finished the second coat of new sealant on one of the tanks. It
looks pretty good. I was able to remove most of the old stuff. I will
keep my fingers crossed.
Thanks for your concern.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com<mailto:N1BZRich@aol.com>
To:
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Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient...
In a message dated 5/18/2009 9:29:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pennington@q.com<mailto:pennington@q.com> writes:
The paint lifted after fuel escaped from the vent tube and ran
down the wing.
Hi again Gary,
I have been meaning to write again sooner, but have been just
too busy to find the time to put together a message. But your tank
issue and certainly your above comment really concerns me. Something
else is going on in your tanks. There is just no way that auto fuel,
even with ethanol, running down your wing would cause the paint to lift.
Something else is going on - meaning something else must have been in
the fuel or the tank. I have no idea as to how it got there, and that
is the part that concerns me. I have done some recent research on the
Kreem that is used to slosh the tanks and no fuel (auto or 100 LL)
should be able to lift it once it is cured. And it would have been well
cured before you got your wings. Anyway, I hope that you will soon be
back in the air and enjoying your airplane again. When you have the
time, please consider an article for the newsletter outlining your
problem, the fixes you have gone through, and any lessons learned and or
recommendations you might have. The next issue of the newsletter (June)
is almost done and I hope to get it out before 1 June, but I will "hold
the press" so to speak if you have something by early next week. After
that I will be busy with the Virginia Regional Fly -In. Hope to get the
June issue out before it starts.
Blue Skies,
Buz
PS: Go easy on Doug, he really is an OK guy - most of the time.
;-)
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| Subject: | Re: Dougs response to Gary II |
Just a footnote - Many octane boosters contain Toluene which is also a solvent
for many sloshing compounds.
W. Mefford
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