---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/20/09: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:42 AM - Re: Have faith, be patient... (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 2. 06:54 AM - Re: Have faith, be patient... (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 3. 10:12 AM - Re: Have faith, be patient... (GARY PENNINGTON) 4. 10:46 AM - Re: Have faith, be patient... (Mefford, Walt) 5. 12:48 PM - Re: Have faith, be patient... (Wayne Lenox) 6. 02:48 PM - Re: Have faith, be patient... (GARY PENNINGTON) 7. 02:48 PM - Re: Have faith, be patient... (GARY PENNINGTON) 8. 02:50 PM - Re: Dougs response to Gary II (wampam) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:23 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient... In a message dated 5/18/2009 9:29:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pennington@q.com writes: The paint lifted after fuel escaped from the vent tube and ran down the wing. G **************Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! Shop Dell =99s full line of laptops. =http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215073777%3B3703434 3%3Bf) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:10 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient... In a message dated 5/18/2009 9:29:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pennington@q.com writes: The paint lifted after fuel escaped from the vent tube and ran down the wing. Hi again Gary, I have been meaning to write again sooner, but have been just too busy to find the time to put together a message. But your tank issue and certainly your above comment really concerns me. Something else is going on in your tanks. There is just no way that auto fuel, even with ethanol, running down your wing would cause the paint to lift. Something else is going on - meaning something else must have been in the fuel or the tank. I have no idea as to how it got there, and that is the part that concerns me. I have done some recent research on the Kreem that is used to slosh the tanks and no fuel (auto or 100 LL) should be able to lift it once it is cured. And it would have been well cured before you got your wings. Anyway, I hope that you will soon be back in the air and enjoying your airplane again. When you have the time, please consider an article for the newsletter outlining your problem, the fixes you have gone through, and any lessons learned and or recommendations you might have. The next issue of the newsletter (June) is almost done and I hope to get it out before 1 June, but I will "hold the press" so to speak if you have something by early next week. After that I will be busy with the Virginia Regional Fly -In. Hope to get the June issue out before it starts. Blue Skies, Buz PS: Go easy on Doug, he really is an OK guy - most of the time. ;-) **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! Excfooter51609NO62) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:03 AM PST US From: "GARY PENNINGTON" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient... Good morning Buz I really don't know what caused the mess. I wish I did. I do know it has been a major amount of work and expense. I have spoken to other builders of similar aircraft using Kreem sealant and they have described the same problems. Maybe there is something in auto fuel???? I just finished the second coat of new sealant on one of the tanks. It looks pretty good. I was able to remove most of the old stuff. I will keep my fingers crossed. Thanks for your concern. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:53 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient... In a message dated 5/18/2009 9:29:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pennington@q.com writes: The paint lifted after fuel escaped from the vent tube and ran down the wing. Hi again Gary, I have been meaning to write again sooner, but have been just too busy to find the time to put together a message. But your tank issue and certainly your above comment really concerns me. Something else is going on in your tanks. There is just no way that auto fuel, even with ethanol, running down your wing would cause the paint to lift. Something else is going on - meaning something else must have been in the fuel or the tank. I have no idea as to how it got there, and that is the part that concerns me. I have done some recent research on the Kreem that is used to slosh the tanks and no fuel (auto or 100 LL) should be able to lift it once it is cured. And it would have been well cured before you got your wings. Anyway, I hope that you will soon be back in the air and enjoying your airplane again. When you have the time, please consider an article for the newsletter outlining your problem, the fixes you have gone through, and any lessons learned and or recommendations you might have. The next issue of the newsletter (June) is almost done and I hope to get it out before 1 June, but I will "hold the press" so to speak if you have something by early next week. After that I will be busy with the Virginia Regional Fly -In. Hope to get the June issue out before it starts. Blue Skies, Buz PS: Go easy on Doug, he really is an OK guy - most of the time. ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- An Excellent Credit Score is 750.ol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=66807 2%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=MayExcfooter51609NO62>See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:24 AM PST US From: "Mefford, Walt" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient... What is the brand name and P/N of the sealant? Walt Mefford GARMIN AT Manufacturing Test Engineering (503) 391-3343 walt.mefford@garmin.com [cid:image001.jpg@01C9D934.394D8C00] N881WP ________________________________ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient... Good morning Buz I really don't know what caused the mess. I wish I did. I do know it has be en a major amount of work and expense. I have spoken to other builders of s imilar aircraft using Kreem sealant and they have described the same proble ms. Maybe there is something in auto fuel???? I just finished the second coat of new sealant on one of the tanks. It look s pretty good. I was able to remove most of the old stuff. I will keep my f ingers crossed. Thanks for your concern. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:53 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient... In a message dated 5/18/2009 9:29:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pennington @q.com writes: The paint lifted after fuel escaped from the vent tube and ran down the win g. Hi again Gary, I have been meaning to write again sooner, but have been just too busy to find the time to put together a message. But your tank issue and certai nly your above comment really concerns me. Something else is going on in y our tanks. There is just no way that auto fuel, even with ethanol, running down your wing would cause the paint to lift. Something else is going on - meaning something else must have been in the fuel or the tank. I have no idea as to how it got there, and that is the part that concerns me. I ha ve done some recent research on the Kreem that is used to slosh the tanks a nd no fuel (auto or 100 LL) should be able to lift it once it is cured. An d it would have been well cured before you got your wings. Anyway, I hope that you will soon be back in the air and enjoying your airplane again. Wh en you have the time, please consider an article for the newsletter outlini ng your problem, the fixes you have gone through, and any lessons learned a nd or recommendations you might have. The next issue of the newsletter (Ju ne) is almost done and I hope to get it out before 1 June, but I will "hold the press" so to speak if you have something by early next week. After th at I will be busy with the Virginia Regional Fly -In. Hope to get the June issue out before it starts. Blue Skies, Buz PS: Go easy on Doug, he really is an OK guy - most of the time. ;-) ________________________________ An Excellent Credit Score is 750.ol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com /pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=MayExcfooter51609NO62>Se e Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://ww w.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigato r?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the s ole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, p lease be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e- mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in e rror, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:38 PM PST US From: "Wayne Lenox" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient... Gary How are you resealing the tanks. Did you remove the tank? Wayne Lenox N123WL ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "GARY PENNINGTON" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient... Good morning Buz I really don't know what caused the mess. I wish I di d. I do know it has been a major amount of work and expense. I have spok en to other builders of similar aircraft using Kreem sealant and they ha ve described the same problems. Maybe there is something in auto fuel??? ? I just finished the second coat of new sealant on one of the tanks. I t looks pretty good. I was able to remove most of the old stuff. I will keep my fingers crossed. Thanks for your concern.Gary Pennington----- Or iginal Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics .com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:53 AMSubject: Re: Lightning-List: H ave faith, be patient... In a message dated 5/18/2009 9:29:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, penning ton@q.com writes:The paint lifted after fuel escaped from the vent tube and ran down the wing.Hi again Gary, I have been meaning to write aga in sooner, but have been just too busy to find the time to put together a message. But your tank issue and certainly your above comment really concerns me. Something else is going on in your tanks. There is just n o way that auto fuel, even with ethanol, running down your wing would ca use the paint to lift. Something else is going on - meaning something e lse must have been in the fuel or the tank. I have no idea as to how it got there, and that is the part that concerns me. I have done some re cent research on the Kreem that is used to slosh the tanks and no fuel ( auto or 100 LL) should be able to lift it once it is cured. And it woul d have been well cured before you got your wings. Anyway, I hope that y ou will soon be back in the air and enjoying your airplane again. When you have the time, please consider an article for the newsletter outlini ng your problem, the fixes you have gone through, and any lessons learne d and or recommendations you might have. The next issue of the newslett er (June) is almost done and I hope to get it out before 1 June, but I w ill "hold the press" so to speak if you have something by early next wee k. After that I will be busy with the Virginia Regional Fly -In. Hope to get the June issue out before it starts.Blue Skies,Buz PS: Go easy o n Doug, he really is an OK guy - most of the time. ;-) An Excellent Credit Score is 750.ol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport. com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=MayExcfooter51609N O62>See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!title=http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?Lightning-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightnin g-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhref="http:// forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matr ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ==== ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right business program for you and take your care er to the next level. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTESURtWjlJHWoTVGImQFTT 4go7lkhFcP2uTXOGpFc3bHT2ZPIk7BW/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:07 PM PST US From: "GARY PENNINGTON" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient... Hello Wayne I removed both wings. I did not cut the tanks out of the wings. I used Acetone to soak and remove most of the old sealant. I am using the same "Kreem" brand to reseal. Have a great day Gary PEnnington ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Lenox To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient... Gary How are you resealing the tanks. Did you remove the tank? Wayne Lenox N123WL ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "GARY PENNINGTON" > To: > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient... Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:57:56 -0700 Good morning Buz I really don't know what caused the mess. I wish I did. I do know it has been a major amount of work and expense. I have spoken to other builders of similar aircraft using Kreem sealant and they have described the same problems. Maybe there is something in auto fuel???? I just finished the second coat of new sealant on one of the tanks. It looks pretty good. I was able to remove most of the old stuff. I will keep my fingers crossed. Thanks for your concern. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:53 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient... In a message dated 5/18/2009 9:29:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pennington@q.com writes: The paint lifted after fuel escaped from the vent tube and ran down the wing. Hi again Gary, I have been meaning to write again sooner, but have been just too busy to find the time to put together a message. But your tank issue and certainly your above comment really concerns me. Something else is going on in your tanks. There is just no way that auto fuel, even with ethanol, running down your wing would cause the paint to lift. Something else is going on - meaning something else must have been in the fuel or the tank. I have no idea as to how it got there, and that is the part that concerns me. I have done some recent research on the Kreem that is used to slosh the tanks and no fuel (auto or 100 LL) should be able to lift it once it is cured. And it would have been well cured before you got your wings. Anyway, I hope that you will soon be back in the air and enjoying your airplane again. When you have the time, please consider an article for the newsletter outlining your problem, the fixes you have gone through, and any lessons learned and or recommendations you might have. The next issue of the newsletter (June) is almost done and I hope to get it out before 1 June, but I will "hold the press" so to speak if you have something by early next week. After that I will be busy with the Virginia Regional Fly -In. Hope to get the June issue out before it starts. Blue Skies, Buz PS: Go easy on Doug, he really is an OK guy - most of the time. ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- An Excellent Credit Score is 750.ol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=66807 2%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=MayExcfooter51609NO62>See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ist">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List tronics.com www.matronics.com/contribution ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right business program for you and take your career to the next level. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:52 PM PST US From: "GARY PENNINGTON" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient... Hey Walt The brand name is "Kreem" fuel tank liner. Do not have a part number. The company is in Somis, California. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Mefford, Walt To: 'lightning-list@matronics.com' Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:17 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient... What is the brand name and P/N of the sealant? Walt Mefford GARMIN AT Manufacturing Test Engineering (503) 391-3343 walt.mefford@garmin.com N881WP ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:58 AM To: lightning-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient... Good morning Buz I really don't know what caused the mess. I wish I did. I do know it has been a major amount of work and expense. I have spoken to other builders of similar aircraft using Kreem sealant and they have described the same problems. Maybe there is something in auto fuel???? I just finished the second coat of new sealant on one of the tanks. It looks pretty good. I was able to remove most of the old stuff. I will keep my fingers crossed. Thanks for your concern. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:53 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have faith, be patient... In a message dated 5/18/2009 9:29:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pennington@q.com writes: The paint lifted after fuel escaped from the vent tube and ran down the wing. Hi again Gary, I have been meaning to write again sooner, but have been just too busy to find the time to put together a message. But your tank issue and certainly your above comment really concerns me. Something else is going on in your tanks. There is just no way that auto fuel, even with ethanol, running down your wing would cause the paint to lift. Something else is going on - meaning something else must have been in the fuel or the tank. I have no idea as to how it got there, and that is the part that concerns me. I have done some recent research on the Kreem that is used to slosh the tanks and no fuel (auto or 100 LL) should be able to lift it once it is cured. And it would have been well cured before you got your wings. Anyway, I hope that you will soon be back in the air and enjoying your airplane again. When you have the time, please consider an article for the newsletter outlining your problem, the fixes you have gone through, and any lessons learned and or recommendations you might have. The next issue of the newsletter (June) is almost done and I hope to get it out before 1 June, but I will "hold the press" so to speak if you have something by early next week. After that I will be busy with the Virginia Regional Fly -In. Hope to get the June issue out before it starts. Blue Skies, Buz PS: Go easy on Doug, he really is an OK guy - most of the time. ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- An Excellent Credit Score is 750.ol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=66807 2%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=MayExcfooter51609NO62>See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:50:18 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Dougs response to Gary II From: "wampam" Just a footnote - Many octane boosters contain Toluene which is also a solvent for many sloshing compounds. W. 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