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1. 05:12 AM - Wing Gap Tape (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS)
2. 06:53 AM - Re: Wing Gap Tape (Charles Gallagher)
3. 07:12 AM - Kit for sale (Colin J. Kennedy)
4. 07:35 AM - Re: Kit for sale (Jim Langley)
5. 07:41 AM - Re: Kit for sale (Colin J. Kennedy)
6. 08:59 AM - Re: Wing Gap Tape (yhol)
7. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: Wing Gap Tape (IFLYSMODEL@AOL.COM)
8. 09:54 AM - Re: Wing Gap Tape (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS)
9. 10:47 AM - Re: more prop test info (Bob Haas)
10. 03:47 PM - Re: Wing Gap Tape (Hollis Babb)
11. 06:49 PM - Re: Wing Gap Tape (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS)
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Has anyone found a good tape for closing the gap between wing and
fuselage? I used the white duct tape when I built at SYI; however, it
left a stubborn residue when I had to replace it and required a lot of
elbow grease and time to clean it off so I could apply new tape. I
next used a vinyl tape which deteriorated in the sun and left a couple
of open spots on the right wing. It caused some buffeting in flight and
I discovered the problem after landing.
I welcome any suggestions of a good tape and the source of supply.
Thanks, Linda
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Gap Tape |
Joe&Linda,check out this link to the Glider supplies/UV protected gop seal tape. Hope it proves helpful.http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/bowlus.htm. Order link follows the narrative.Rgs.,Charles Gallagher
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Due to the economic situation in general and particularly my own, I am
reluctantly considering selling my Lightning kit.
The kit was delivered January 2008 and includes the new style canopy and
latch, new style instrument panel, and elevator horn with the 3 bolt
attachment pattern. It has the later, longer engine mount which I
believe
contributes to reduced pitch sensitivity.
Options included are tinted canopy, canopy windows (sliding type) both
sides, 30 (2x15) gallon tanks, dual brakes, cabin heat, polished spinner
for
fixed pitch prop, steps both sides and standard wingtips.
The work done to date (approx. 75 hours) is detailed here:
<http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken> http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
I have been working mostly on the principle of not buying things until
they
are needed, so there is no engine, electric trim system, wheel pants,
interior or instruments. These are all available from Arion, as are
extended
wingtips.
I am selling for 15% less than my cost ($36,014), that is $30,600. Buyer
collects.
If anyone is interested, please send contact information to cjk129 at
cox.net (didn't want to use the "@" and invite lots of automated spam!)
and
I will call you. I would be very comfortable with you coming to inspect
and
inventory the kit before making a commitment. I am about 15 minutes from
Tulsa airport in Oklahoma.
I am still an enthusiast and hope one day to own another Lightning, but
unfortunately that day may have to wait!
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
<http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken> http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
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I'm sorry to hear that you are selling your kit Colin. I know how you feel
about this, as my completed Lightning is also up for sale due to financial
circumstances. My positive outlook tells me that there will be a second
chance at this, so good luck with everything.
Jim!
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin J.
Kennedy
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:12 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Kit for sale
Due to the economic situation in general and particularly my own, I am
reluctantly considering selling my Lightning kit.
The kit was delivered January 2008 and includes the new style canopy and
latch, new style instrument panel, and elevator horn with the 3 bolt
attachment pattern. It has the later, longer engine mount which I believe
contributes to reduced pitch sensitivity.
Options included are tinted canopy, canopy windows (sliding type) both
sides, 30 (2x15) gallon tanks, dual brakes, cabin heat, polished spinner for
fixed pitch prop, steps both sides and standard wingtips.
The work done to date (approx. 75 hours) is detailed here:
<http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken> http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
I have been working mostly on the principle of not buying things until they
are needed, so there is no engine, electric trim system, wheel pants,
interior or instruments. These are all available from Arion, as are extended
wingtips.
I am selling for 15% less than my cost ($36,014), that is $30,600. Buyer
collects.
If anyone is interested, please send contact information to cjk129 at
cox.net (didn't want to use the "@" and invite lots of automated spam!) and
I will call you. I would be very comfortable with you coming to inspect and
inventory the kit before making a commitment. I am about 15 minutes from
Tulsa airport in Oklahoma.
I am still an enthusiast and hope one day to own another Lightning, but
unfortunately that day may have to wait!
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
<http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken> http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
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Thanks Jim. The darkest hour is just before the dawn :-)
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Langley
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 9:35 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Kit for sale
I'm sorry to hear that you are selling your kit Colin. I know how you
feel
about this, as my completed Lightning is also up for sale due to
financial
circumstances. My positive outlook tells me that there will be a second
chance at this, so good luck with everything.
Jim!
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin J.
Kennedy
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:12 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Kit for sale
Due to the economic situation in general and particularly my own, I am
reluctantly considering selling my Lightning kit.
The kit was delivered January 2008 and includes the new style canopy and
latch, new style instrument panel, and elevator horn with the 3 bolt
attachment pattern. It has the later, longer engine mount which I
believe
contributes to reduced pitch sensitivity.
Options included are tinted canopy, canopy windows (sliding type) both
sides, 30 (2x15) gallon tanks, dual brakes, cabin heat, polished spinner
for
fixed pitch prop, steps both sides and standard wingtips.
The work done to date (approx. 75 hours) is detailed here:
<http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken> http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
I have been working mostly on the principle of not buying things until
they
are needed, so there is no engine, electric trim system, wheel pants,
interior or instruments. These are all available from Arion, as are
extended
wingtips.
I am selling for 15% less than my cost ($36,014), that is $30,600. Buyer
collects.
If anyone is interested, please send contact information to cjk129 at
cox.net (didn't want to use the "@" and invite lots of automated spam!)
and
I will call you. I would be very comfortable with you coming to inspect
and
inventory the kit before making a commitment. I am about 15 minutes from
Tulsa airport in Oklahoma.
I am still an enthusiast and hope one day to own another Lightning, but
unfortunately that day may have to wait!
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
<http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken> http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Gap Tape |
When I went to Shelbyville I don't remember seeing anything between the wing and
the fuselage.
Does anyone know if it improves performance significantly to close the overlap?
J Dupont
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256785#256785
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Gap Tape |
Hey: I believe that most of the Lightning's built in Shelbyville in the
last year and 1/2 have used the technique of fairing the wing-fuselage and
horizontal stabilizer-fuselage gaps with fiberglass so that tape is not
required.
If you build it without the fiberglass farings built in, you definitely
need the tape.
Lynn
N13LN
In a message dated 8/9/2009 11:59:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
playgoldg@hotmail.com writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "yhol" <playgoldg@hotmail.com>
When I went to Shelbyville I don't remember seeing anything between the
wing and the fuselage.
Does anyone know if it improves performance significantly to close the
overlap?
J Dupont
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256785#256785
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Gap Tape |
Thanks Charles; I have ordered a roll of the tape and will give it a
try. I also noted on the website that he recommends removing the tape
residue with lighter fluid vice MEK, acetone, etc. He says that
lighter fluid protects the gel coat better than any other fluid so I am
going to switch to that also. Others may benefit from that tip also
when changing tapes.
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Gallagher
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Wing Gap Tape
Joe&Linda,check out this link to the Glider supplies/UV
protected gop seal tape. Hope it proves
helpful.http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/bowlus.htm. Order link follows
the narrative.Rgs.,Charles Gallagher
--- On Sun, 8/9/09, JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS
<lbmathias@verizon.net> wrote:
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/bowlus.htm
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| Subject: | more prop test info |
Thanks 19.5 good info Bob Haas.
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: more prop test info
Bob
19.5 degrees @ 9 inches in from tip
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Haas <mailto:checkpoint2@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: more prop test info
Hey Dave what index was the adjustable pitch set at? Bob Haas N330BH
Thanks.
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: more prop test info
Buz
I put the 62FK60 on today. Don't know what to think just yet. Testing was
done at 3,000 ft, 85 degrees and indicated only
new prop-----------
RPM Fuel burn Speed mph
2850 8.1 152
2750 6.6 146
2650 5.7 140
WOT 3,000 rpm, static 2560 rpm at WOT the EGT was 1450 degrees
composite ground adjustable (old prop)
2850 6.1 145
2650 5.1 137
WOT 3200 RPM
I reached the 150 mph point but lost 2 gal per hr. Short story long--- what
are you running for jetting and I am thinking this may be an altitude
prop--not used for skud running? Nick or Buz, what jetting is needed?
Thanks for any advise
Dave McC
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:48 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: more prop test info
All,
Some time ago I sent out a report on the results of the prop testing I
have been doing on N31BZ with the Sensenich 62FK60. (remember BZ has the
older solid lifter engine) Those emails listed the true airspeeds vs. RPMs
that I was seeing. As a follow up to that message I have been doing some
additional testing the last several days to come up with some fuel flow
numbers with the new prop. Most of you that have been on the list for a
while know that my cross country technique is to set a fuel flow (not an
rpm) and accept the airspeed and rpm that the fuel flow gives me at the
altitude I am using for the trip. Since I am planning another trip to SYI
early this coming week, I figured I had better get at least some "ball park"
fuel usage numbers before I make this next trip.
On cross country flights I normally cruise at an altitude that does two
things for me - I am looking for lowest headwinds and smooth flight
conditions. If there is a tail wind, I go up high to take advantage of
that, often cruising as high as 14,500 when west bound (yes, I have a small
O2 bottle). Normally, I seem to end up in the altitude band between say 6
to 12 thousand feet, so that is where I have been doing most of the testing
the last few days. Oh, one other thing, the OATs have been running slightly
cooler than a standard day. For example density altitude has been about 300
below indicated altitude.
Below are the results I have seen during recent flights over the last
few days:
-Since I normally set 6 gph I did a lot of those test. As it turns out, 6
gph seems to give me in the neighborhood of 162 to 165 mph true airspeed
(weight makes a difference). I should also note that I tried to do most of
the test when I had the tanks full (except for that burned during climb out)
but with only me and approx 30 pounds in the baggage area (31BZ is probably
around a 1200 lb airplane with that load).
-However, I noticed something interesting (with the prop and set up I am now
using) when I pulled the fuel flow back below 6 gph. It appears that:
5.5 gph gives 155 mph,
5.0 gph = 150,
4.5 gph = 145,
4.0 gph = 140,
and 3.5 gph was right at 135 mph. I saw no reason to go slower than that.
If these numbers prove fairly accurate during actual cross country
flights, that works out to over a 1000 mile range flying at 135 mph tas -
but who wants to go that slow.
I just thought the kind of linear relationship of FF to MPH was
interesting. Of course, the time spend at the various fuel flows was just
long enough to let the mph settle down and things could be different when I
actually make the trip to SYI (probably this Tuesday).
Anyway, as normal, I will provide the data for that flight after I get
there and find the time to figure it all out more accurately.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Gap Tape |
Try any of the "goo off" orange products to remove the residue or even
WD 40 if you have nothing else.
Sent from my iPhone
Hollis Babb
256-506-2834
On Aug 9, 2009, at 11:53 AM, "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" <lbmathias@verizon.net
> wrote:
> Thanks Charles; I have ordered a roll of the tape and will give it a
> try. I also noted on the website that he recommends removing the
> tape residue with lighter fluid vice MEK, acetone, etc. He says
> that lighter fluid protects the gel coat better than any other fluid
> so I am going to switch to that also. Others may benefit from that
> tip also when changing tapes.
>
> Linda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles Gallagher
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 9:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Wing Gap Tape
>
> Joe&Linda,check out this link to the Glider supplies/UV protected
> gop seal tape. Hope it proves helpful.http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/
> bowlus.htm. Order link follows the narrative.Rgs.,Charles Gallagher
>
> --- On Sun, 8/9/09, JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS <lbmathias@verizon.net
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Gap Tape |
I tried Goo Gone the last time but it was still quite a bit of work.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hollis Babb
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Wing Gap Tape
Try any of the "goo off" orange products to remove the residue or even
WD 40 if you have nothing else.
Sent from my iPhone
Hollis Babb
256-506-2834
On Aug 9, 2009, at 11:53 AM, "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS"
<lbmathias@verizon.net> wrote:
Thanks Charles; I have ordered a roll of the tape and will give it a
try. I also noted on the website that he recommends removing the tape
residue with lighter fluid vice MEK, acetone, etc. He says that
lighter fluid protects the gel coat better than any other fluid so I am
going to switch to that also. Others may benefit from that tip also
when changing tapes.
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Gallagher
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Wing Gap Tape
Joe&Linda,check out this link to the Glider supplies/UV
protected gop seal tape. Hope it proves
helpful.http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/bowlus.htm. Order link follows
the narrative.Rgs.,Charles Gallagher
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