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1. 06:35 AM - Re: more prop test info (Mark Stauffer)
2. 07:25 AM - Re: flight plan code (Hugh Sontag)
3. 12:13 PM - New owner for N730AL (Jim Langley)
4. 12:22 PM - Re: New owner for N730AL (Rick Bowen)
5. 12:32 PM - Re: New owner for N730AL (Jim Langley)
6. 02:31 PM - Re: New owner for N730AL (Brian Whittingham)
7. 04:35 PM - N3134S For Sale (Charles Dewey)
8. 04:44 PM - Re: New owner for N730AL (Jim Langley)
9. 04:51 PM - Re: N3134S For Sale (sam54@AOL.COM)
10. 05:09 PM - Re: N3134S For Sale (Jim Langley)
11. 05:27 PM - Re: New owner for N730AL (n5pb@AOL.COM)
12. 05:37 PM - Re: N3134S For Sale (GARY PENNINGTON)
13. 05:40 PM - Re: more prop test info (Dave)
14. 05:41 PM - Re: New owner for N730AL (Jim Langley)
15. 05:51 PM - Re: N3134S For Sale (Jim Langley)
16. 06:13 PM - Re: New owner for N730AL (n5pb@AOL.COM)
17. 07:59 PM - Re: New owner for N730AL (Jim Langley)
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Subject: | more prop test info |
Checkered tails also add a couple of knots. At least that's what I'm hoping
for with my Zenith. I need all the help I can get!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:34 PM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: more prop test info
In a message dated 8/14/2009 4:12:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky@hbci.com writes:
Buz
Here is what I came up with
prop hub at zero degrees
Blade 1 Blade 2
6" in from tip 21 degrees ---- 21.25 degrees
12" in from tip 26 degrees ---- 26 degrees
18" in from tip 30.5 degrees ---- 31 degrees
it is hard to get an accurate measurement at 18" because of the contour
thanks Dave
Dave,
I came up with basically the same numbers. After removing the top
cowling and making sure the top of the engine was level by shimming under
the wheels, I then leveled the prop and took the measurements. Six inches
in from the tips measures 21 degrees, 12" in measures 26.5 degrees, and 18
inches in measures 30 inches for both blades - essentially the same
measurements you got.
If you are sure of the accuracy of your airspeed system and tach, then
something on you airframe must be slightly higher drag than on mine. So are
you sure about your instrumentation?
If so, then starting at the front, here are some airframe areas to
look at that many people miss:
-How tight does the back of your spinner fit to the from of your cowl?
Anything over about 1/4 inch is probably starting to get too wide. Mine is
more like 1/8 inch.
-Engine cooling drag can be quite high. Don't know how you have yours set
up, but if you look at how the prototype Lightning was set up, that is
pretty much the way 31BZ is set up. Nick pretty much did the same to the
prototype that we had done on 31BZ.
-Next, the canopy is pretty flexable and tends to spread out along the
canopy rails the faster you go. This produces a relatively high drag area
and gets worse the faster you go. It is caused by both airflow around the
canopy and airflow into the cockpit if you have the cockpit vents open. So
two fixes may be required. First, a fix to vent the cockpit air pressure
and another to keep the canopy from flexing out in flight. Nick fixed this
on the Lightning by including the pins on the early ones and then tabs on
the later ones that hold the canopy rails in. I have modified my airplane
with similar tabs. Makes a big difference in noise and drag. If you are
hearing airflow noise, you are hearing drag.
-Fit of the gear leg fairings are an obvious area to make sure you have
good fit. Mine fit tight up against the fuselage (with rubber moldings) and
tight against the pants with basically no gaps. Also make sure they are
streamlined with the fuselage. (you will have induced yaw if they are not)
Wheel pant fit is also important. Do your inboard axles stick out? Mine do
not - there is a fairing on each one to cover that.
-I have reflexed my flaps and ailerons up slightly. The difference is
noticeable, particularly at the speeds I cruise at.
-Lastly, on the color spectrum, white and silver are the fastest colors,
while red, dark blue, and black are the most maneuverable. Also, keep your
paint scheme to mostly straight lines along the flight path of the airplane
for the least drag. Curvey lines produce drag.
-Obviously a slight bit of "tong in cheek" about that last point, but the
others are some things you might want to look at.
Blue Skies (the high drag kind)
Buz
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Subject: | Re: flight plan code |
>I believe its box 3 on the form 7233-1 (flight plan). On my Kitfox I
>use (HXB/U). What has anybody been using for the Lightning when
>filing your flight plan?
A Kitfox would be HXA, because its cruise is < 100 knots. HXB is > 100 knots.
Hugh Sontag
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Subject: | New owner for N730AL |
It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you all know that as of
today, there is a new owner of N730AL. I officially sold my aircraft to
Larry Boyer today and for me, this was a very emotional moment watching him
fly it away from the airport. After a year and a half of building my
Lightning and interacting with you all, this is a very hard time for me, but
I want you all to know that even though the airplane is gone, your
friendship is not. Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and
I will build another, time will tell. Nick, start working on the wide body
Lightning, (just kidding).
To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the Lightning community.
He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and flier, so he's a little wacky, but that
will fit in with the rest of us. I will be updating him with all the
necessary links and instructions on how to join this group and become an
active member of this circle of Lightning builders and fliers.
I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a Lightning. Maybe a
can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I
mean his Lightning to the next Lightning fly-in in September!
Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship. I know it will continue.
Jim!
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Subject: | New owner for N730AL |
Jim=2C
Good for you buddy=2C good for you.......
Stay in touch !
Rick
Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
From: pequeajim@gmail.com
It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you all know that as of t
oday=2C there is a new owner of N730AL. I officially sold my aircraft to L
arry Boyer today and for me=2C this was a very emotional moment watching hi
m fly it away from the airport. After a year and a half of building my Lig
htning and interacting with you all=2C this is a very hard time for me=2C b
ut I want you all to know that even though the airplane is gone=2C your fri
endship is not. Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and I
will build another=2C time will tell. Nick=2C start working on the wide b
ody Lightning=2C (just kidding).
To all=2C Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the Lightning communit
y. He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and flier=2C so he's a little wacky=2C
but that will fit in with the rest of us. I will be updating him with all
the necessary links and instructions on how to join this group and become
an active member of this circle of Lightning builders and fliers.
I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a Lightning. Maybe a c
an con=2C uh=2C I mean talk Larry into letting me hitch a ride in my=2C uh
=2C I mean his Lightning to the next Lightning fly-in in September!
Anyway=2C thanks all of you for your friendship. I know it will continue.
Jim!
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Subject: | Re: New owner for N730AL |
I plan on it!
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Rick Bowen <rollnloop@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Jim,
> Good for you buddy, good for you.......
> Stay in touch !
> Rick
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:12:26 -0400
> Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
> From: pequeajim@gmail.com
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
>
> It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you all know that as of
> today, there is a new owner of N730AL. I officially sold my aircraft to
> Larry Boyer today and for me, this was a very emotional moment watching him
> fly it away from the airport. After a year and a half of building my
> Lightning and interacting with you all, this is a very hard time for me, but
> I want you all to know that even though the airplane is gone, your
> friendship is not. Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and
> I will build another, time will tell. Nick, start working on the wide body
> Lightning, (just kidding).
>
> To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the Lightning
> community. He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and flier, so he's a little
> wacky, but that will fit in with the rest of us. I will be updating him
> with all the necessary links and instructions on how to join this group and
> become an active member of this circle of Lightning builders and fliers.
>
> I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a Lightning. Maybe a
> can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I
> mean his Lightning to the next Lightning fly-in in September!
>
> Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship. I know it will continue.
>
> Jim!
>
>
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Subject: | New owner for N730AL |
Jim=2C I'm sure it's tough seeing her go=2C but you do what you have got
to do=2C what's best for your family. I hope that you continue to host the
newsletters=2C and if not a burden on the pocketbook=2C that you keep your
website up so that those who are interested can still walk through your ex
cellently documented build. Who knows what new advancements the Arion guys
will think of that your next Lightning can have! Brian W.
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
From: pequeajim@gmail.com
I plan on it!
On Tue=2C Aug 18=2C 2009 at 3:19 PM=2C Rick Bowen <rollnloop@hotmail.com> w
rote:
Jim=2C
Good for you buddy=2C good for you.......
Stay in touch !
Rick
Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
From: pequeajim@gmail.com
It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you all know that as of t
oday=2C there is a new owner of N730AL. I officially sold my aircraft to L
arry Boyer today and for me=2C this was a very emotional moment watching hi
m fly it away from the airport. After a year and a half of building my Lig
htning and interacting with you all=2C this is a very hard time for me=2C b
ut I want you all to know that even though the airplane is gone=2C your fri
endship is not. Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and I
will build another=2C time will tell. Nick=2C start working on the wide b
ody Lightning=2C (just kidding).
To all=2C Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the Lightning communit
y. He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and flier=2C so he's a little wacky=2C
but that will fit in with the rest of us. I will be updating him with all
the necessary links and instructions on how to join this group and become
an active member of this circle of Lightning builders and fliers.
I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a Lightning. Maybe a c
an con=2C uh=2C I mean talk Larry into letting me hitch a ride in my=2C uh
=2C I mean his Lightning to the next Lightning fly-in in September!
Anyway=2C thanks all of you for your friendship. I know it will continue.
Jim!
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Like Jim,
I am forced to sell due to current economic conditions. My Lightning has BRS
parachute system (mold inspected and OK'd by BRS factory reps), Garmin 496 with
XM weather and traffic, Dynon glass panel, fighter pilot military stick grips,
custom interior told by many nicest interior of any Lightning, electric trim
tab system, etc., etc... She flies hands off and has just under 40 hours. Price
is negotiable and in line with others recently sold. If interested please
call me at 571 212-7231 daytime. I can email pics (do not have an ad on Barnstormers
yet). Bird is white; you put the finishing touch pinstripes to customize
to taste. Currently hangared in Hagerstown, MD. Very fast, clean, fuel efficient
airplane.
Charles Dewey
--- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:29 PM
> I plan on it!
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM,
> Rick Bowen <rollnloop@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Jim,
> Good for you buddy, good for you.......
> Stay in touch!
> Rick
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:12:26 -0400
> Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
> From: pequeajim@gmail.com
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
>
>
>
>
> It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you
> all know that as of today, there is a new owner of N730AL.
> I officially sold my aircraft to Larry Boyer today and for
> me, this was a very emotional moment watching him fly it
> away from the airport. After a year and a half of building
> my Lightningand interacting with you all, this is a very
> hard time for me, but I want you all to know that even
> though the airplane is gone, your friendship is not.
> Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and I
> will build another, time will tell. Nick, start working on
> the wide body Lightning, (just kidding).
>
>
> To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the
> Lightning community. He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and
> flier, so he's a little wacky, but that will fit in with
> the rest of us. I will be updating him with all the
> necessary links and instructions on how to join this group
> and become an active member of this circle of Lightning
> builders and fliers.
>
>
> I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a
> Lightning. Maybe a can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into
> letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I mean his Lightning to
> the next Lightning fly-in in September!
>
> Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship. I
> know it will continue.
>
> Jim!
>
>
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Subject: | New owner for N730AL |
Thanks Brian. I want to see the "Fat Boy" Lightning. I think they may
designate it FB-1.
Sounds like a military Jet, what do you think Buz.
Yes, I will stay involved and plan on keeping my site up. It will be a way
to keep the Lightning fever fresh for me.
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Whittingham
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 5:26 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
Jim,
I'm sure it's tough seeing her go, but you do what you have got to do,
what's best for your family. I hope that you continue to host the
newsletters, and if not a burden on the pocketbook, that you keep your
website up so that those who are interested can still walk through your
excellently documented build. Who knows what new advancements the Arion
guys will think of that your next Lightning can have! Brian W.
_____
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
From: pequeajim@gmail.com
I plan on it!
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Rick Bowen <rollnloop@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jim,
Good for you buddy, good for you.......
Stay in touch !
Rick
_____
Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
From: pequeajim@gmail.com
It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you all know that as of
today, there is a new owner of N730AL. I officially sold my aircraft to
Larry Boyer today and for me, this was a very emotional moment watching him
fly it away from the airport. After a year and a half of building my
Lightning and interacting with you all, this is a very hard time for me, but
I want you all to know that even though the airplane is gone, your
friendship is not. Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and
I will build another, time will tell. Nick, start working on the wide body
Lightning, (just kidding).
To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the Lightning community.
He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and flier, so he's a little wacky, but that
will fit in with the rest of us. I will be updating him with all the
necessary links and instructions on how to join this group and become an
active member of this circle of Lightning builders and fliers.
I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a Lightning. Maybe a
can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I
mean his Lightning to the next Lightning fly-in in September!
Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship. I know it will continue.
Jim!
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Subject: | Re: N3134S For Sale |
Oh if you could e-mail pics would love to see it. Thanks again
Chuck Merson
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Dewey <cdewey6969@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 7:28 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale
Like Jim,
I am forced to sell due to current economic conditions. My Lightning has BRS
parachute system (mold inspected and OK'd by BRS factory reps), Garmin 496 with
XM weather and traffic, Dynon glass panel, fighter pilot military stick grips,
custom interior told by many nicest interior of any Lightning, electric trim tab
system, etc., etc... She flies hands off and has just under 40 hours. Price is
negotiable and in line with others recently sold. If interested please call me
at 571 212-7231 daytime. I can email pics (do not have an ad on Barnstormers
yet). Bird is white; you put the finishing touch pinstripes to customize to
taste. Currently hangared in Hagerstown, MD. Very fast, clean, fuel efficient
airplane.
Charles Dewey
--- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:29 PM
> I plan on it!
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM,
> Rick Bowen <rollnloop@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Jim,
> Good for you buddy, good for you.......
> Stay in touch?!
> Rick
> ?
>
>
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:12:26 -0400
> Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
> From: pequeajim@gmail.com
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
>
>
>
>
> It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you
> all know that as of today, there is a new owner of N730AL.?
> I officially sold my aircraft to Larry Boyer today and for
> me, this was a very emotional moment watching him fly it
> away from the airport.? After a year and a half of building
> my Lightning?and interacting with you all, this is a very
> hard time for me, but I want you all to know that even
> though the airplane is gone, your friendship is not.?
> Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and I
> will build another, time will tell.? Nick, start working on
> the wide body Lightning, (just kidding).
>
> ?
> To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the
> Lightning community.? He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and
> flier, so he's a little wacky, but that will fit in with
> the rest of us.? I will be updating him with all the
> necessary links and instructions on how to join this group
> and become an active member of this circle of Lightning
> builders and fliers.
>
> ?
> I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a
> Lightning.? Maybe a can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into
> letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I mean his Lightning to
> the next Lightning fly-in in September!
> ?
> Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship.? I
> know it will continue.
> ?
> Jim!
> ?
>
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Charles:
Put it up on Barnstormers. www.barnstormers.com
Costs $10 if you want more words and pictures.
It is how I sold mine.
Jim!
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sam54@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale
Oh if you could e-mail pics would love to see it. Thanks again
Chuck Merson
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Dewey <cdewey6969@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 7:28 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale
Like Jim,
I am forced to sell due to current economic conditions. My Lightning has
BRS
parachute system (mold inspected and OK'd by BRS factory reps), Garmin 496
with
XM weather and traffic, Dynon glass panel, fighter pilot military stick
grips,
custom interior told by many nicest interior of any Lightning, electric trim
tab
system, etc., etc... She flies hands off and has just under 40 hours. Price
is
negotiable and in line with others recently sold. If interested please call
me
at 571 212-7231 daytime. I can email pics (do not have an ad on Barnstormers
yet). Bird is white; you put the finishing touch pinstripes to customize to
taste. Currently hangared in Hagerstown, MD. Very fast, clean, fuel
efficient
airplane.
Charles Dewey
--- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:29 PM
> I plan on it!
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM,
> Rick Bowen <rollnloop@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Jim,
> Good for you buddy, good for you.......
> Stay in touch !
> Rick
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:12:26 -0400
> Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
> From: pequeajim@gmail.com
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
>
>
>
>
> It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you
> all know that as of today, there is a new owner of N730AL.
> I officially sold my aircraft to Larry Boyer today and for
> me, this was a very emotional moment watching him fly it
> away from the airport. After a year and a half of building
> my Lightning and interacting with you all, this is a very
> hard time for me, but I want you all to know that even
> though the airplane is gone, your friendship is not.
> Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and I
> will build another, time will tell. Nick, start working on
> the wide body Lightning, (just kidding).
>
>
> To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the
> Lightning community. He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and
> flier, so he's a little wacky, but that will fit in with
> the rest of us. I will be updating him with all the
> necessary links and instructions on how to join this group
> and become an active member of this circle of Lightning
> builders and fliers.
>
>
> I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a
> Lightning. Maybe a can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into
> letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I mean his Lightning to
> the next Lightning fly-in in September!
>
> Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship. I
> know it will continue.
>
> Jim!
>
>
> st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
> ronics.com
> ww.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
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>
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Subject: | Re: New owner for N730AL |
Jim,
I can't imagine how hard it must have been to part with your beautifuly "jet".?
I certainly hope the economy changes quickly and we see you back in the build
mode soon.? Yes, do keep in touch as it's been a very good read whenever you
send comments out here to the group.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:12 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you all know that as of today,
there is a new owner of N730AL.? I officially sold my aircraft to Larry Boyer
today and for me, this was a very emotional moment watching him fly it away
from the airport.? After a year and a half of building my Lightning?and interacting
with you all, this is a very hard time for me, but I want you all to know
that even though the airplane is gone, your friendship is not.? Hopefully my
income situation will improve over time and I will build another, time will tell.?
Nick, start working on the wide body Lightning, (just kidding).
?
To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the Lightning community.? He
is an avid Rotorcraft builder and flier, so he's a little wacky, but that will
fit in with the rest of us.? I will be updating him with all the necessary links
and instructions on how to join this group and become an active member of
this circle of Lightning builders and fliers.
?
I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a Lightning.? Maybe a can con,
uh, I mean talk Larry into letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I mean his Lightning
to the next Lightning fly-in in September!
?
Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship.? I know it will continue.
?
Jim!
?
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Subject: | Re: N3134S For Sale |
Hello Jim
Congrats on selling your plane. Does the guy that bought it live in
South Carolina?
Once again, congrats.
Gary PEnnington
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Langley<mailto:pequeajim@gmail.com>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com<mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 5:08 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale
Charles:
Put it up on Barnstormers.
www.barnstormers.com<http://www.barnstormers.com/>
Costs $10 if you want more words and pictures.
It is how I sold mine.
Jim!
From:
owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-lightning-list-ser
ver@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of sam54@aol.com<mailto:sam54@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:44 PM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale
Oh if you could e-mail pics would love to see it. Thanks again
Chuck Merson
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Dewey <cdewey6969@yahoo.com>
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 7:28 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale
<cdewey6969@yahoo.com>
Like Jim,
I am forced to sell due to current economic conditions. My Lightning
has BRS
parachute system (mold inspected and OK'd by BRS factory reps), Garmin
496 with
XM weather and traffic, Dynon glass panel, fighter pilot military stick
grips,
custom interior told by many nicest interior of any Lightning, electric
trim tab
system, etc., etc... She flies hands off and has just under 40 hours.
Price is
negotiable and in line with others recently sold. If interested please
call me
at 571 212-7231 daytime. I can email pics (do not have an ad on
Barnstormers
yet). Bird is white; you put the finishing touch pinstripes to customize
to
taste. Currently hangared in Hagerstown, MD. Very fast, clean, fuel
efficient
airplane.
Charles Dewey
--- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:29 PM
> I plan on it!
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM,
> Rick Bowen <rollnloop@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Jim,
> Good for you buddy, good for you.......
> Stay in touch !
> Rick
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:12:26 -0400
> Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
> From: pequeajim@gmail.com
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
>
>
>
>
> It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you
> all know that as of today, there is a new owner of N730AL.
> I officially sold my aircraft to Larry Boyer today and for
> me, this was a very emotional moment watching him fly it
> away from the airport. After a year and a half of building
> my Lightning and interacting with you all, this is a very
> hard time for me, but I want you all to know that even
> though the airplane is gone, your friendship is not.
> Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and I
> will build another, time will tell. Nick, start working on
> the wide body Lightning, (just kidding).
>
>
> To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the
> Lightning community. He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and
> flier, so he's a little wacky, but that will fit in with
> the rest of us. I will be updating him with all the
> necessary links and instructions on how to join this group
> and become an active member of this circle of Lightning
> builders and fliers.
>
>
> I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a
> Lightning. Maybe a can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into
> letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I mean his Lightning to
> the next Lightning fly-in in September!
>
> Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship. I
> know it will continue.
>
> Jim!
>
>
> st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
> ronics.com
> ww.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
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> BingT now.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: more prop test info |
Buz
Thanks so much.
A couple of points, I have a muffler on mine and you have pipes, it may
be cutting down on airflow. I might throw my pipes back on.
I had my BRS staps fiberglassed on the exterior because I was
woried how the straps would find their way AROUND me to the spar if
mounted inside. This caused about 1.5 inch rise on the fuslage on both
sides. I can see where this may slow her down. I'll quit bugging you
and play with it for awhile
Again-thankyou
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: more prop test info
In a message dated 8/14/2009 4:12:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky@hbci.com writes:
Buz
Here is what I came up with
prop hub at zero degrees
Blade 1 Blade 2
6" in from tip 21 degrees ---- 21.25 degrees
12" in from tip 26 degrees ---- 26 degrees
18" in from tip 30.5 degrees ---- 31 degrees
it is hard to get an accurate measurement at 18" because of the
contour
thanks Dave
Dave,
I came up with basically the same numbers. After removing the top
cowling and making sure the top of the engine was level by shimming
under the wheels, I then leveled the prop and took the measurements.
Six inches in from the tips measures 21 degrees, 12" in measures 26.5
degrees, and 18 inches in measures 30 inches for both blades -
essentially the same measurements you got.
If you are sure of the accuracy of your airspeed system and tach,
then something on you airframe must be slightly higher drag than on
mine. So are you sure about your instrumentation?
If so, then starting at the front, here are some airframe areas to
look at that many people miss:
-How tight does the back of your spinner fit to the from of your cowl?
Anything over about 1/4 inch is probably starting to get too wide.
Mine is more like 1/8 inch.
-Engine cooling drag can be quite high. Don't know how you have yours
set up, but if you look at how the prototype Lightning was set up, that
is pretty much the way 31BZ is set up. Nick pretty much did the same to
the prototype that we had done on 31BZ.
-Next, the canopy is pretty flexable and tends to spread out along the
canopy rails the faster you go. This produces a relatively high drag
area and gets worse the faster you go. It is caused by both airflow
around the canopy and airflow into the cockpit if you have the cockpit
vents open. So two fixes may be required. First, a fix to vent the
cockpit air pressure and another to keep the canopy from flexing out in
flight. Nick fixed this on the Lightning by including the pins on the
early ones and then tabs on the later ones that hold the canopy rails
in. I have modified my airplane with similar tabs. Makes a big
difference in noise and drag. If you are hearing airflow noise, you are
hearing drag.
-Fit of the gear leg fairings are an obvious area to make sure you
have good fit. Mine fit tight up against the fuselage (with rubber
moldings) and tight against the pants with basically no gaps. Also make
sure they are streamlined with the fuselage. (you will have induced yaw
if they are not) Wheel pant fit is also important. Do your inboard
axles stick out? Mine do not - there is a fairing on each one to cover
that.
-I have reflexed my flaps and ailerons up slightly. The difference is
noticeable, particularly at the speeds I cruise at.
-Lastly, on the color spectrum, white and silver are the fastest
colors, while red, dark blue, and black are the most maneuverable.
Also, keep your paint scheme to mostly straight lines along the flight
path of the airplane for the least drag. Curvey lines produce drag.
-Obviously a slight bit of "tong in cheek" about that last point, but
the others are some things you might want to look at.
Blue Skies (the high drag kind)
Buz
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Subject: | New owner for N730AL |
Thanks Bear, this is a fun group and the build experience was fun and has
taught me quite a lot. You know, they say when you build a house, you never
really get it the way you want the first time around. Although I know that
Larry is very pleased with my aircraft, there are many things that I would
do differently to suit my own tastes now that I have built one. It's funny,
I was sitting out on the front porch tonight visually walking through that
whole build experience and could see everything. You should see what I came
up with!
Even Brian would like it.
(grin)
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
Jim,
I can't imagine how hard it must have been to part with your beautifuly
"jet". I certainly hope the economy changes quickly and we see you back in
the build mode soon. Yes, do keep in touch as it's been a very good read
whenever you send comments out here to the group.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:12 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you all know that as of
today, there is a new owner of N730AL. I officially sold my aircraft to
Larry Boyer today and for me, this was a very emotional moment watching him
fly it away from the airport. After a year and a half of building my
Lightning and interacting with you all, this is a very hard time for me, but
I want you all to know that even though the airplane is gone, your
friendship is not. Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and
I will build another, time will tell. Nick, start working on the wide body
Lightning, (just kidding).
To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the Lightning community.
He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and flier, so he's a little wacky, but that
will fit in with the rest of us. I will be updating him with all the
necessary links and instructions on how to join this group and become an
active member of this circle of Lightning builders and fliers.
I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a Lightning. Maybe a
can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I
mean his Lightning to the next Lightning fly-in in September!
Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship. I know it will continue.
Jim!
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Thanks Gary. Larry lives in Reading and flies out of Pottstown-Limerick
(KPTW)
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY
PENNINGTON
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale
Hello Jim
Congrats on selling your plane. Does the guy that bought it live in South
Carolina?
Once again, congrats.
Gary PEnnington
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Langley <mailto:pequeajim@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 5:08 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale
Charles:
Put it up on Barnstormers. www.barnstormers.com
Costs $10 if you want more words and pictures.
It is how I sold mine.
Jim!
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sam54@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale
Oh if you could e-mail pics would love to see it. Thanks again
Chuck Merson
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Dewey <cdewey6969@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 7:28 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale
Like Jim,
I am forced to sell due to current economic conditions. My Lightning has
BRS
parachute system (mold inspected and OK'd by BRS factory reps), Garmin 496
with
XM weather and traffic, Dynon glass panel, fighter pilot military stick
grips,
custom interior told by many nicest interior of any Lightning, electric trim
tab
system, etc., etc... She flies hands off and has just under 40 hours. Price
is
negotiable and in line with others recently sold. If interested please call
me
at 571 212-7231 daytime. I can email pics (do not have an ad on Barnstormers
yet). Bird is white; you put the finishing touch pinstripes to customize to
taste. Currently hangared in Hagerstown, MD. Very fast, clean, fuel
efficient
airplane.
Charles Dewey
--- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:29 PM
> I plan on it!
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM,
> Rick Bowen <rollnloop@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Jim,
> Good for you buddy, good for you.......
> Stay in touch !
> Rick
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:12:26 -0400
> Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
> From: pequeajim@gmail.com
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
>
>
>
>
> It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you
> all know that as of today, there is a new owner of N730AL.
> I officially sold my aircraft to Larry Boyer today and for
> me, this was a very emotional moment watching him fly it
> away from the airport. After a year and a half of building
> my Lightning and interacting with you all, this is a very
> hard time for me, but I want you all to know that even
> though the airplane is gone, your friendship is not.
> Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and I
> will build another, time will tell. Nick, start working on
> the wide body Lightning, (just kidding).
>
>
> To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the
> Lightning community. He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and
> flier, so he's a little wacky, but that will fit in with
> the rest of us. I will be updating him with all the
> necessary links and instructions on how to join this group
> and become an active member of this circle of Lightning
> builders and fliers.
>
>
> I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a
> Lightning. Maybe a can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into
> letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I mean his Lightning to
> the next Lightning fly-in in September!
>
> Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship. I
> know it will continue.
>
> Jim!
>
>
> st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
> ronics.com
> ww.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
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> BingT now.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: New owner for N730AL |
Ahhh...Back into the "Skunk works" are you????
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 8:41 pm
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
Thanks Bear, this is a fun group and the build experience was fun and has
taught me quite a lot.=C2- You know, they say when you build a house,
you never really get it the way you want the first time around.=C2- Alt
hough I know that Larry is very pleased with my aircraft, there are many
things that I would do differently to suit my own tastes now that I have
built one.=C2- It=99s funny, I was sitting out on the front porch
tonight visually walking through that whole build experience and could se
e everything.=C2- You should see what I came up with!
=C2-
Even Brian would like it
=C2-
(grin)
=C2-
=C2-
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
=C2-
Jim,
I can't imagine how hard it must have been to part with your beautifuly "j
et".=C2- I certainly hope the economy changes quickly and we see you bac
k in the build mode soon.=C2- Yes, do keep in touch as it's been a very
good read whenever you send comments out here to the group.
=C2-
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com>
st@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:12 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you all know that as of
today, there is a new owner of N730AL.=C2- I officially sold my aircraf
t to Larry Boyer today and for me, this was a very emotional moment watchi
ng him fly it away from the airport.=C2- After a year and a half of buil
ding my Lightning=C2-and interacting with you all, this is a very hard
time for me, but I want you all to know that even though the airplane is
gone, your friendship is not.=C2- Hopefully my income situation will im
prove over time and I will build another, time will tell.=C2- Nick, star
t working on the wide body Lightning, (just kidding).
=C2-
To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the Lightning community
.=C2- He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and flier, so he's a little wacky
, but that will fit in with the rest of us.=C2- I will be updating him
with all the necessary links and instructions on how to join this group
and become an active member of this circle of Lightning builders and flie
rs.
=C2-
I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a Lightning.=C2- May
be a can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into letting me hitch a ride in my, uh
, I mean his Lightning to the next Lightning fly-in in September!
=C2-
Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship.=C2- I know it will contin
ue.
=C2-
Jim!
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
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Subject: | New owner for N730AL |
I would say that the application of RC and computer technology would
play a big role in the next Lightning.
We=99ll have to wait and see
(grin)
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
n5pb@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
Ahhh...Back into the "Skunk works" are you????
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 8:41 pm
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
Thanks Bear, this is a fun group and the build experience was fun and
has taught me quite a lot. You know, they say when you build a house,
you never really get it the way you want the first time around.
Although I know that Larry is very pleased with my aircraft, there are
many things that I would do differently to suit my own tastes now that I
have built one. It=99s funny, I was sitting out on the front
porch tonight visually walking through that whole build experience and
could see everything. You should see what I came up with!
Even Brian would like it
(grin)
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Jim,
I can't imagine how hard it must have been to part with your beautifuly
"jet". I certainly hope the economy changes quickly and we see you back
in the build mode soon. Yes, do keep in touch as it's been a very good
read whenever you send comments out here to the g roup.
Bear
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From: Jim Langley < <mailto:pequeajim@gmail.com> pequeajim@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:12 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL
It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you all know that as
of today, there is a new owner of N730AL. I officially sold my aircraft
to Larry Boyer today and for me, this was a very emotional moment
watching him fly it away from the airport. After a year and a half of
building my Lightning and interacting with you all, this is a very hard
time for me, but I want you all to know that even though the airplane is
gone, your friendship is not. Hopefully my income situation will
improve over time and I will build another, time will tell. Nick, start
working on the wide body Lightning, (just kidding).
To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the Lightning
community. He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and flier, so he's a little
wacky, but that will fit in with the rest of us. I will be updating him
with all the necessary links and instr uctions on how to join this group
and become an active member of this circle of Lightning builders and
fliers.
I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a Lightning. Maybe
a can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into letting me hitch a ride in my, uh,
I mean his Lightning to the next Lightning fly-in in September!
Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship. I know it will continue.
Jim!
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