---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/18/09: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:35 AM - Re: more prop test info (Mark Stauffer) 2. 07:25 AM - Re: flight plan code (Hugh Sontag) 3. 12:13 PM - New owner for N730AL (Jim Langley) 4. 12:22 PM - Re: New owner for N730AL (Rick Bowen) 5. 12:32 PM - Re: New owner for N730AL (Jim Langley) 6. 02:31 PM - Re: New owner for N730AL (Brian Whittingham) 7. 04:35 PM - N3134S For Sale (Charles Dewey) 8. 04:44 PM - Re: New owner for N730AL (Jim Langley) 9. 04:51 PM - Re: N3134S For Sale (sam54@AOL.COM) 10. 05:09 PM - Re: N3134S For Sale (Jim Langley) 11. 05:27 PM - Re: New owner for N730AL (n5pb@AOL.COM) 12. 05:37 PM - Re: N3134S For Sale (GARY PENNINGTON) 13. 05:40 PM - Re: more prop test info (Dave) 14. 05:41 PM - Re: New owner for N730AL (Jim Langley) 15. 05:51 PM - Re: N3134S For Sale (Jim Langley) 16. 06:13 PM - Re: New owner for N730AL (n5pb@AOL.COM) 17. 07:59 PM - Re: New owner for N730AL (Jim Langley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:37 AM PST US From: "Mark Stauffer" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: more prop test info Checkered tails also add a couple of knots. At least that's what I'm hoping for with my Zenith. I need all the help I can get! Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of N1BZRich@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:34 PM To: lightning-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: more prop test info In a message dated 8/14/2009 4:12:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, corky@hbci.com writes: Buz Here is what I came up with prop hub at zero degrees Blade 1 Blade 2 6" in from tip 21 degrees ---- 21.25 degrees 12" in from tip 26 degrees ---- 26 degrees 18" in from tip 30.5 degrees ---- 31 degrees it is hard to get an accurate measurement at 18" because of the contour thanks Dave Dave, I came up with basically the same numbers. After removing the top cowling and making sure the top of the engine was level by shimming under the wheels, I then leveled the prop and took the measurements. Six inches in from the tips measures 21 degrees, 12" in measures 26.5 degrees, and 18 inches in measures 30 inches for both blades - essentially the same measurements you got. If you are sure of the accuracy of your airspeed system and tach, then something on you airframe must be slightly higher drag than on mine. So are you sure about your instrumentation? If so, then starting at the front, here are some airframe areas to look at that many people miss: -How tight does the back of your spinner fit to the from of your cowl? Anything over about 1/4 inch is probably starting to get too wide. Mine is more like 1/8 inch. -Engine cooling drag can be quite high. Don't know how you have yours set up, but if you look at how the prototype Lightning was set up, that is pretty much the way 31BZ is set up. Nick pretty much did the same to the prototype that we had done on 31BZ. -Next, the canopy is pretty flexable and tends to spread out along the canopy rails the faster you go. This produces a relatively high drag area and gets worse the faster you go. It is caused by both airflow around the canopy and airflow into the cockpit if you have the cockpit vents open. So two fixes may be required. First, a fix to vent the cockpit air pressure and another to keep the canopy from flexing out in flight. Nick fixed this on the Lightning by including the pins on the early ones and then tabs on the later ones that hold the canopy rails in. I have modified my airplane with similar tabs. Makes a big difference in noise and drag. If you are hearing airflow noise, you are hearing drag. -Fit of the gear leg fairings are an obvious area to make sure you have good fit. Mine fit tight up against the fuselage (with rubber moldings) and tight against the pants with basically no gaps. Also make sure they are streamlined with the fuselage. (you will have induced yaw if they are not) Wheel pant fit is also important. Do your inboard axles stick out? Mine do not - there is a fairing on each one to cover that. -I have reflexed my flaps and ailerons up slightly. The difference is noticeable, particularly at the speeds I cruise at. -Lastly, on the color spectrum, white and silver are the fastest colors, while red, dark blue, and black are the most maneuverable. Also, keep your paint scheme to mostly straight lines along the flight path of the airplane for the least drag. Curvey lines produce drag. -Obviously a slight bit of "tong in cheek" about that last point, but the others are some things you might want to look at. Blue Skies (the high drag kind) Buz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:19 AM PST US From: Hugh Sontag Subject: Re: Lightning-List: flight plan code >I believe its box 3 on the form 7233-1 (flight plan). On my Kitfox I >use (HXB/U). What has anybody been using for the Lightning when >filing your flight plan? A Kitfox would be HXA, because its cruise is < 100 knots. HXB is > 100 knots. Hugh Sontag ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:51 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL From: Jim Langley It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you all know that as of today, there is a new owner of N730AL. I officially sold my aircraft to Larry Boyer today and for me, this was a very emotional moment watching him fly it away from the airport. After a year and a half of building my Lightning and interacting with you all, this is a very hard time for me, but I want you all to know that even though the airplane is gone, your friendship is not. Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and I will build another, time will tell. Nick, start working on the wide body Lightning, (just kidding). To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the Lightning community. He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and flier, so he's a little wacky, but that will fit in with the rest of us. I will be updating him with all the necessary links and instructions on how to join this group and become an active member of this circle of Lightning builders and fliers. I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a Lightning. Maybe a can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I mean his Lightning to the next Lightning fly-in in September! Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship. I know it will continue. Jim! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:52 PM PST US From: Rick Bowen Subject: RE: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL Jim=2C Good for you buddy=2C good for you....... Stay in touch ! Rick Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL From: pequeajim@gmail.com It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you all know that as of t oday=2C there is a new owner of N730AL. I officially sold my aircraft to L arry Boyer today and for me=2C this was a very emotional moment watching hi m fly it away from the airport. After a year and a half of building my Lig htning and interacting with you all=2C this is a very hard time for me=2C b ut I want you all to know that even though the airplane is gone=2C your fri endship is not. Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and I will build another=2C time will tell. Nick=2C start working on the wide b ody Lightning=2C (just kidding). To all=2C Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the Lightning communit y. He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and flier=2C so he's a little wacky=2C but that will fit in with the rest of us. I will be updating him with all the necessary links and instructions on how to join this group and become an active member of this circle of Lightning builders and fliers. I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a Lightning. Maybe a c an con=2C uh=2C I mean talk Larry into letting me hitch a ride in my=2C uh =2C I mean his Lightning to the next Lightning fly-in in September! Anyway=2C thanks all of you for your friendship. I know it will continue. Jim! _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYC B_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL From: Jim Langley I plan on it! On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Rick Bowen wrote: > Jim, > Good for you buddy, good for you....... > Stay in touch ! > Rick > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:12:26 -0400 > Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL > From: pequeajim@gmail.com > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you all know that as of > today, there is a new owner of N730AL. I officially sold my aircraft to > Larry Boyer today and for me, this was a very emotional moment watching him > fly it away from the airport. After a year and a half of building my > Lightning and interacting with you all, this is a very hard time for me, but > I want you all to know that even though the airplane is gone, your > friendship is not. Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and > I will build another, time will tell. Nick, start working on the wide body > Lightning, (just kidding). > > To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the Lightning > community. He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and flier, so he's a little > wacky, but that will fit in with the rest of us. I will be updating him > with all the necessary links and instructions on how to join this group and > become an active member of this circle of Lightning builders and fliers. > > I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a Lightning. Maybe a > can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I > mean his Lightning to the next Lightning fly-in in September! > > Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship. I know it will continue. > > Jim! > > > * > > st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listronics.comww.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > ------------------------------ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try BingT now. > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:12 PM PST US From: Brian Whittingham Subject: RE: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL Jim=2C I'm sure it's tough seeing her go=2C but you do what you have got to do=2C what's best for your family. I hope that you continue to host the newsletters=2C and if not a burden on the pocketbook=2C that you keep your website up so that those who are interested can still walk through your ex cellently documented build. Who knows what new advancements the Arion guys will think of that your next Lightning can have! Brian W. Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL From: pequeajim@gmail.com I plan on it! On Tue=2C Aug 18=2C 2009 at 3:19 PM=2C Rick Bowen w rote: Jim=2C Good for you buddy=2C good for you....... Stay in touch ! Rick Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL From: pequeajim@gmail.com It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you all know that as of t oday=2C there is a new owner of N730AL. I officially sold my aircraft to L arry Boyer today and for me=2C this was a very emotional moment watching hi m fly it away from the airport. After a year and a half of building my Lig htning and interacting with you all=2C this is a very hard time for me=2C b ut I want you all to know that even though the airplane is gone=2C your fri endship is not. Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and I will build another=2C time will tell. Nick=2C start working on the wide b ody Lightning=2C (just kidding). To all=2C Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the Lightning communit y. He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and flier=2C so he's a little wacky=2C but that will fit in with the rest of us. I will be updating him with all the necessary links and instructions on how to join this group and become an active member of this circle of Lightning builders and fliers. I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a Lightning. Maybe a c an con=2C uh=2C I mean talk Larry into letting me hitch a ride in my=2C uh =2C I mean his Lightning to the next Lightning fly-in in September! Anyway=2C thanks all of you for your friendship. I know it will continue. Jim! st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try BingT now. " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List a href="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.mat ronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live=2C you can organize=2C edit=2C and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:01 PM PST US From: Charles Dewey Subject: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale Like Jim, I am forced to sell due to current economic conditions. My Lightning has BRS parachute system (mold inspected and OK'd by BRS factory reps), Garmin 496 with XM weather and traffic, Dynon glass panel, fighter pilot military stick grips, custom interior told by many nicest interior of any Lightning, electric trim tab system, etc., etc... She flies hands off and has just under 40 hours. Price is negotiable and in line with others recently sold. If interested please call me at 571 212-7231 daytime. I can email pics (do not have an ad on Barnstormers yet). Bird is white; you put the finishing touch pinstripes to customize to taste. Currently hangared in Hagerstown, MD. Very fast, clean, fuel efficient airplane. Charles Dewey --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jim Langley wrote: > From: Jim Langley > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:29 PM > I plan on it! > > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM, > Rick Bowen > wrote: > > > Jim, > Good for you buddy, good for you....... > Stay in touch! > Rick > > > > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:12:26 -0400 > Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL > From: pequeajim@gmail.com > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > > > > It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you > all know that as of today, there is a new owner of N730AL. > I officially sold my aircraft to Larry Boyer today and for > me, this was a very emotional moment watching him fly it > away from the airport. After a year and a half of building > my Lightningand interacting with you all, this is a very > hard time for me, but I want you all to know that even > though the airplane is gone, your friendship is not. > Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and I > will build another, time will tell. Nick, start working on > the wide body Lightning, (just kidding). > > > To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the > Lightning community. He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and > flier, so he's a little wacky, but that will fit in with > the rest of us. I will be updating him with all the > necessary links and instructions on how to join this group > and become an active member of this circle of Lightning > builders and fliers. > > > I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a > Lightning. Maybe a can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into > letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I mean his Lightning to > the next Lightning fly-in in September! > > Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship. I > know it will continue. > > Jim! > > > st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > ronics.com > ww.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try > BingT now. > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > a href="http://forums.matronics.com/" > target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:11 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL Thanks Brian. I want to see the "Fat Boy" Lightning. I think they may designate it FB-1. Sounds like a military Jet, what do you think Buz. Yes, I will stay involved and plan on keeping my site up. It will be a way to keep the Lightning fever fresh for me. From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Whittingham Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 5:26 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL Jim, I'm sure it's tough seeing her go, but you do what you have got to do, what's best for your family. I hope that you continue to host the newsletters, and if not a burden on the pocketbook, that you keep your website up so that those who are interested can still walk through your excellently documented build. Who knows what new advancements the Arion guys will think of that your next Lightning can have! Brian W. _____ Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL From: pequeajim@gmail.com I plan on it! On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Rick Bowen wrote: Jim, Good for you buddy, good for you....... Stay in touch ! Rick _____ Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL From: pequeajim@gmail.com It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you all know that as of today, there is a new owner of N730AL. I officially sold my aircraft to Larry Boyer today and for me, this was a very emotional moment watching him fly it away from the airport. After a year and a half of building my Lightning and interacting with you all, this is a very hard time for me, but I want you all to know that even though the airplane is gone, your friendship is not. Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and I will build another, time will tell. Nick, start working on the wide body Lightning, (just kidding). To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the Lightning community. He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and flier, so he's a little wacky, but that will fit in with the rest of us. I will be updating him with all the necessary links and instructions on how to join this group and become an active member of this circle of Lightning builders and fliers. I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a Lightning. Maybe a can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I mean his Lightning to the next Lightning fly-in in September! Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship. I know it will continue. Jim! st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution _____ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try BingT now. " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List a href="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List onics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution _____ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. Click here. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale From: sam54@AOL.COM Oh if you could e-mail pics would love to see it. Thanks again Chuck Merson -----Original Message----- From: Charles Dewey Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 7:28 pm Subject: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale Like Jim, I am forced to sell due to current economic conditions. My Lightning has BRS parachute system (mold inspected and OK'd by BRS factory reps), Garmin 496 with XM weather and traffic, Dynon glass panel, fighter pilot military stick grips, custom interior told by many nicest interior of any Lightning, electric trim tab system, etc., etc... She flies hands off and has just under 40 hours. Price is negotiable and in line with others recently sold. If interested please call me at 571 212-7231 daytime. I can email pics (do not have an ad on Barnstormers yet). Bird is white; you put the finishing touch pinstripes to customize to taste. Currently hangared in Hagerstown, MD. Very fast, clean, fuel efficient airplane. Charles Dewey --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jim Langley wrote: > From: Jim Langley > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:29 PM > I plan on it! > > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM, > Rick Bowen > wrote: > > > Jim, > Good for you buddy, good for you....... > Stay in touch?! > Rick > ? > > > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:12:26 -0400 > Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL > From: pequeajim@gmail.com > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > > > > It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you > all know that as of today, there is a new owner of N730AL.? > I officially sold my aircraft to Larry Boyer today and for > me, this was a very emotional moment watching him fly it > away from the airport.? After a year and a half of building > my Lightning?and interacting with you all, this is a very > hard time for me, but I want you all to know that even > though the airplane is gone, your friendship is not.? > Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and I > will build another, time will tell.? Nick, start working on > the wide body Lightning, (just kidding). > > ? > To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the > Lightning community.? He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and > flier, so he's a little wacky, but that will fit in with > the rest of us.? I will be updating him with all the > necessary links and instructions on how to join this group > and become an active member of this circle of Lightning > builders and fliers. > > ? > I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a > Lightning.? Maybe a can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into > letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I mean his Lightning to > the next Lightning fly-in in September! > ? > Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship.? I > know it will continue. > ? > Jim! > ? > > st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > ronics.com > ww.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try > BingT now. > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > a href="http://forums.matronics.com/" > target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:15 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale Charles: Put it up on Barnstormers. www.barnstormers.com Costs $10 if you want more words and pictures. It is how I sold mine. Jim! From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sam54@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale Oh if you could e-mail pics would love to see it. Thanks again Chuck Merson -----Original Message----- From: Charles Dewey Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 7:28 pm Subject: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale Like Jim, I am forced to sell due to current economic conditions. My Lightning has BRS parachute system (mold inspected and OK'd by BRS factory reps), Garmin 496 with XM weather and traffic, Dynon glass panel, fighter pilot military stick grips, custom interior told by many nicest interior of any Lightning, electric trim tab system, etc., etc... She flies hands off and has just under 40 hours. Price is negotiable and in line with others recently sold. If interested please call me at 571 212-7231 daytime. I can email pics (do not have an ad on Barnstormers yet). Bird is white; you put the finishing touch pinstripes to customize to taste. Currently hangared in Hagerstown, MD. Very fast, clean, fuel efficient airplane. Charles Dewey --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jim Langley wrote: > From: Jim Langley > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:29 PM > I plan on it! > > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM, > Rick Bowen > wrote: > > > Jim, > Good for you buddy, good for you....... > Stay in touch ! > Rick > > > > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:12:26 -0400 > Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL > From: pequeajim@gmail.com > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > > > > It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you > all know that as of today, there is a new owner of N730AL. > I officially sold my aircraft to Larry Boyer today and for > me, this was a very emotional moment watching him fly it > away from the airport. After a year and a half of building > my Lightning and interacting with you all, this is a very > hard time for me, but I want you all to know that even > though the airplane is gone, your friendship is not. > Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and I > will build another, time will tell. Nick, start working on > the wide body Lightning, (just kidding). > > > To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the > Lightning community. He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and > flier, so he's a little wacky, but that will fit in with > the rest of us. I will be updating him with all the > necessary links and instructions on how to join this group > and become an active member of this circle of Lightning > builders and fliers. > > > I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a > Lightning. Maybe a can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into > letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I mean his Lightning to > the next Lightning fly-in in September! > > Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship. I > know it will continue. > > Jim! > > > st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > ronics.com > ww.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try > BingT now. > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > a href="http://forums.matronics.com/" > target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL From: n5pb@AOL.COM Jim, I can't imagine how hard it must have been to part with your beautifuly "jet".? I certainly hope the economy changes quickly and we see you back in the build mode soon.? Yes, do keep in touch as it's been a very good read whenever you send comments out here to the group. Bear -----Original Message----- From: Jim Langley Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:12 pm Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you all know that as of today, there is a new owner of N730AL.? I officially sold my aircraft to Larry Boyer today and for me, this was a very emotional moment watching him fly it away from the airport.? After a year and a half of building my Lightning?and interacting with you all, this is a very hard time for me, but I want you all to know that even though the airplane is gone, your friendship is not.? Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and I will build another, time will tell.? Nick, start working on the wide body Lightning, (just kidding). ? To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the Lightning community.? He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and flier, so he's a little wacky, but that will fit in with the rest of us.? I will be updating him with all the necessary links and instructions on how to join this group and become an active member of this circle of Lightning builders and fliers. ? I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a Lightning.? Maybe a can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I mean his Lightning to the next Lightning fly-in in September! ? Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship.? I know it will continue. ? Jim! ? ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:54 PM PST US From: "GARY PENNINGTON" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale Hello Jim Congrats on selling your plane. Does the guy that bought it live in South Carolina? Once again, congrats. Gary PEnnington ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Langley To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale Charles: Put it up on Barnstormers. www.barnstormers.com Costs $10 if you want more words and pictures. It is how I sold mine. Jim! From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sam54@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:44 PM To: lightning-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale Oh if you could e-mail pics would love to see it. Thanks again Chuck Merson -----Original Message----- From: Charles Dewey To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 7:28 pm Subject: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale Like Jim, I am forced to sell due to current economic conditions. My Lightning has BRS parachute system (mold inspected and OK'd by BRS factory reps), Garmin 496 with XM weather and traffic, Dynon glass panel, fighter pilot military stick grips, custom interior told by many nicest interior of any Lightning, electric trim tab system, etc., etc... She flies hands off and has just under 40 hours. Price is negotiable and in line with others recently sold. If interested please call me at 571 212-7231 daytime. I can email pics (do not have an ad on Barnstormers yet). Bird is white; you put the finishing touch pinstripes to customize to taste. Currently hangared in Hagerstown, MD. Very fast, clean, fuel efficient airplane. Charles Dewey --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jim Langley wrote: > From: Jim Langley > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:29 PM > I plan on it! > > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM, > Rick Bowen > wrote: > > > Jim, > Good for you buddy, good for you....... > Stay in touch ! > Rick > > > > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:12:26 -0400 > Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL > From: pequeajim@gmail.com > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > > > > It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you > all know that as of today, there is a new owner of N730AL. > I officially sold my aircraft to Larry Boyer today and for > me, this was a very emotional moment watching him fly it > away from the airport. After a year and a half of building > my Lightning and interacting with you all, this is a very > hard time for me, but I want you all to know that even > though the airplane is gone, your friendship is not. > Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and I > will build another, time will tell. Nick, start working on > the wide body Lightning, (just kidding). > > > To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the > Lightning community. He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and > flier, so he's a little wacky, but that will fit in with > the rest of us. I will be updating him with all the > necessary links and instructions on how to join this group > and become an active member of this circle of Lightning > builders and fliers. > > > I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a > Lightning. Maybe a can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into > letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I mean his Lightning to > the next Lightning fly-in in September! > > Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship. I > know it will continue. > > Jim! > > > st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > ronics.com > ww.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try > BingT now. > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > a href="http://forums.matronics.com/" > target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:57 PM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: more prop test info Buz Thanks so much. A couple of points, I have a muffler on mine and you have pipes, it may be cutting down on airflow. I might throw my pipes back on. I had my BRS staps fiberglassed on the exterior because I was woried how the straps would find their way AROUND me to the spar if mounted inside. This caused about 1.5 inch rise on the fuslage on both sides. I can see where this may slow her down. I'll quit bugging you and play with it for awhile Again-thankyou Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: more prop test info In a message dated 8/14/2009 4:12:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, corky@hbci.com writes: Buz Here is what I came up with prop hub at zero degrees Blade 1 Blade 2 6" in from tip 21 degrees ---- 21.25 degrees 12" in from tip 26 degrees ---- 26 degrees 18" in from tip 30.5 degrees ---- 31 degrees it is hard to get an accurate measurement at 18" because of the contour thanks Dave Dave, I came up with basically the same numbers. After removing the top cowling and making sure the top of the engine was level by shimming under the wheels, I then leveled the prop and took the measurements. Six inches in from the tips measures 21 degrees, 12" in measures 26.5 degrees, and 18 inches in measures 30 inches for both blades - essentially the same measurements you got. If you are sure of the accuracy of your airspeed system and tach, then something on you airframe must be slightly higher drag than on mine. So are you sure about your instrumentation? If so, then starting at the front, here are some airframe areas to look at that many people miss: -How tight does the back of your spinner fit to the from of your cowl? Anything over about 1/4 inch is probably starting to get too wide. Mine is more like 1/8 inch. -Engine cooling drag can be quite high. Don't know how you have yours set up, but if you look at how the prototype Lightning was set up, that is pretty much the way 31BZ is set up. Nick pretty much did the same to the prototype that we had done on 31BZ. -Next, the canopy is pretty flexable and tends to spread out along the canopy rails the faster you go. This produces a relatively high drag area and gets worse the faster you go. It is caused by both airflow around the canopy and airflow into the cockpit if you have the cockpit vents open. So two fixes may be required. First, a fix to vent the cockpit air pressure and another to keep the canopy from flexing out in flight. Nick fixed this on the Lightning by including the pins on the early ones and then tabs on the later ones that hold the canopy rails in. I have modified my airplane with similar tabs. Makes a big difference in noise and drag. If you are hearing airflow noise, you are hearing drag. -Fit of the gear leg fairings are an obvious area to make sure you have good fit. Mine fit tight up against the fuselage (with rubber moldings) and tight against the pants with basically no gaps. Also make sure they are streamlined with the fuselage. (you will have induced yaw if they are not) Wheel pant fit is also important. Do your inboard axles stick out? Mine do not - there is a fairing on each one to cover that. -I have reflexed my flaps and ailerons up slightly. The difference is noticeable, particularly at the speeds I cruise at. -Lastly, on the color spectrum, white and silver are the fastest colors, while red, dark blue, and black are the most maneuverable. Also, keep your paint scheme to mostly straight lines along the flight path of the airplane for the least drag. Curvey lines produce drag. -Obviously a slight bit of "tong in cheek" about that last point, but the others are some things you might want to look at. Blue Skies (the high drag kind) Buz ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:41 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL Thanks Bear, this is a fun group and the build experience was fun and has taught me quite a lot. You know, they say when you build a house, you never really get it the way you want the first time around. Although I know that Larry is very pleased with my aircraft, there are many things that I would do differently to suit my own tastes now that I have built one. It's funny, I was sitting out on the front porch tonight visually walking through that whole build experience and could see everything. You should see what I came up with! Even Brian would like it. (grin) From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:26 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL Jim, I can't imagine how hard it must have been to part with your beautifuly "jet". I certainly hope the economy changes quickly and we see you back in the build mode soon. Yes, do keep in touch as it's been a very good read whenever you send comments out here to the group. Bear -----Original Message----- From: Jim Langley Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:12 pm Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you all know that as of today, there is a new owner of N730AL. I officially sold my aircraft to Larry Boyer today and for me, this was a very emotional moment watching him fly it away from the airport. After a year and a half of building my Lightning and interacting with you all, this is a very hard time for me, but I want you all to know that even though the airplane is gone, your friendship is not. Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and I will build another, time will tell. Nick, start working on the wide body Lightning, (just kidding). To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the Lightning community. He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and flier, so he's a little wacky, but that will fit in with the rest of us. I will be updating him with all the necessary links and instructions on how to join this group and become an active member of this circle of Lightning builders and fliers. I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a Lightning. Maybe a can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I mean his Lightning to the next Lightning fly-in in September! Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship. I know it will continue. Jim! ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:26 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale Thanks Gary. Larry lives in Reading and flies out of Pottstown-Limerick (KPTW) From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:38 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale Hello Jim Congrats on selling your plane. Does the guy that bought it live in South Carolina? Once again, congrats. Gary PEnnington ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Langley Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale Charles: Put it up on Barnstormers. www.barnstormers.com Costs $10 if you want more words and pictures. It is how I sold mine. Jim! From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sam54@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale Oh if you could e-mail pics would love to see it. Thanks again Chuck Merson -----Original Message----- From: Charles Dewey Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 7:28 pm Subject: Lightning-List: N3134S For Sale Like Jim, I am forced to sell due to current economic conditions. My Lightning has BRS parachute system (mold inspected and OK'd by BRS factory reps), Garmin 496 with XM weather and traffic, Dynon glass panel, fighter pilot military stick grips, custom interior told by many nicest interior of any Lightning, electric trim tab system, etc., etc... She flies hands off and has just under 40 hours. Price is negotiable and in line with others recently sold. If interested please call me at 571 212-7231 daytime. I can email pics (do not have an ad on Barnstormers yet). Bird is white; you put the finishing touch pinstripes to customize to taste. Currently hangared in Hagerstown, MD. Very fast, clean, fuel efficient airplane. Charles Dewey --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jim Langley wrote: > From: Jim Langley > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:29 PM > I plan on it! > > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM, > Rick Bowen > wrote: > > > Jim, > Good for you buddy, good for you....... > Stay in touch ! > Rick > > > > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:12:26 -0400 > Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL > From: pequeajim@gmail.com > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > > > > It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you > all know that as of today, there is a new owner of N730AL. > I officially sold my aircraft to Larry Boyer today and for > me, this was a very emotional moment watching him fly it > away from the airport. After a year and a half of building > my Lightning and interacting with you all, this is a very > hard time for me, but I want you all to know that even > though the airplane is gone, your friendship is not. > Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and I > will build another, time will tell. Nick, start working on > the wide body Lightning, (just kidding). > > > To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the > Lightning community. He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and > flier, so he's a little wacky, but that will fit in with > the rest of us. I will be updating him with all the > necessary links and instructions on how to join this group > and become an active member of this circle of Lightning > builders and fliers. > > > I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a > Lightning. Maybe a can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into > letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I mean his Lightning to > the next Lightning fly-in in September! > > Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship. I > know it will continue. > > Jim! > > > st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > ronics.com > ww.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try > BingT now. > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > a href="http://forums.matronics.com/" > target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL From: n5pb@AOL.COM Ahhh...Back into the "Skunk works" are you???? -----Original Message----- From: Jim Langley Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 8:41 pm Subject: RE: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL Thanks Bear, this is a fun group and the build experience was fun and has taught me quite a lot.=C2- You know, they say when you build a house, you never really get it the way you want the first time around.=C2- Alt hough I know that Larry is very pleased with my aircraft, there are many things that I would do differently to suit my own tastes now that I have built one.=C2- It=99s funny, I was sitting out on the front porch tonight visually walking through that whole build experience and could se e everything.=C2- You should see what I came up with! =C2- Even Brian would like it =C2- (grin) =C2- =C2- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:26 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL =C2- Jim, I can't imagine how hard it must have been to part with your beautifuly "j et".=C2- I certainly hope the economy changes quickly and we see you bac k in the build mode soon.=C2- Yes, do keep in touch as it's been a very good read whenever you send comments out here to the group. =C2- Bear -----Original Message----- From: Jim Langley st@matronics.com Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:12 pm Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you all know that as of today, there is a new owner of N730AL.=C2- I officially sold my aircraf t to Larry Boyer today and for me, this was a very emotional moment watchi ng him fly it away from the airport.=C2- After a year and a half of buil ding my Lightning=C2-and interacting with you all, this is a very hard time for me, but I want you all to know that even though the airplane is gone, your friendship is not.=C2- Hopefully my income situation will im prove over time and I will build another, time will tell.=C2- Nick, star t working on the wide body Lightning, (just kidding). =C2- To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the Lightning community .=C2- He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and flier, so he's a little wacky , but that will fit in with the rest of us.=C2- I will be updating him with all the necessary links and instructions on how to join this group and become an active member of this circle of Lightning builders and flie rs. =C2- I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a Lightning.=C2- May be a can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into letting me hitch a ride in my, uh , I mean his Lightning to the next Lightning fly-in in September! =C2- Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship.=C2- I know it will contin ue. =C2- Jim! =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- ======================== =========== -= - The Lightning-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =============0 D ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:22 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL I would say that the application of RC and computer technology would play a big role in the next Lightning. We=99ll have to wait and see (grin) From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:13 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL Ahhh...Back into the "Skunk works" are you???? -----Original Message----- From: Jim Langley Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 8:41 pm Subject: RE: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL Thanks Bear, this is a fun group and the build experience was fun and has taught me quite a lot. You know, they say when you build a house, you never really get it the way you want the first time around. Although I know that Larry is very pleased with my aircraft, there are many things that I would do differently to suit my own tastes now that I have built one. It=99s funny, I was sitting out on the front porch tonight visually walking through that whole build experience and could see everything. You should see what I came up with! Even Brian would like it (grin) From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [ mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:26 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL Jim, I can't imagine how hard it must have been to part with your beautifuly "jet". I certainly hope the economy changes quickly and we see you back in the build mode soon. Yes, do keep in touch as it's been a very good read whenever you send comments out here to the g roup. Bear -----Original Message----- From: Jim Langley < pequeajim@gmail.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:12 pm Subject: Lightning-List: New owner for N730AL It is will very mixed emotions that I wish to let you all know that as of today, there is a new owner of N730AL. I officially sold my aircraft to Larry Boyer today and for me, this was a very emotional moment watching him fly it away from the airport. After a year and a half of building my Lightning and interacting with you all, this is a very hard time for me, but I want you all to know that even though the airplane is gone, your friendship is not. Hopefully my income situation will improve over time and I will build another, time will tell. Nick, start working on the wide body Lightning, (just kidding). To all, Larry is a great guy and will be a plus to the Lightning community. He is an avid Rotorcraft builder and flier, so he's a little wacky, but that will fit in with the rest of us. I will be updating him with all the necessary links and instr uctions on how to join this group and become an active member of this circle of Lightning builders and fliers. I plan to stay involved even though I no longer own a Lightning. Maybe a can con, uh, I mean talk Larry into letting me hitch a ride in my, uh, I mean his Lightning to the next Lightning fly-in in September! Anyway, thanks all of you for your friendship. I know it will continue. 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