---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/26/09: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:10 AM - Non Response to TROLL (Jim Langley) 2. 04:51 AM - Re: Non Response to TROLL (James, Clive R) 3. 07:30 AM - Re: Non Response to TROLL (Kayberg@aol.com) 4. 07:53 AM - Going unnoticed (Kayberg@aol.com) 5. 09:42 AM - Re: Non Response to TROLL (pequeajim) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:04 AM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: Lightning-List: Non Response to TROLL To all forum users. PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND to this troll message. This troll's posts have the same content and seasonally pop up like spring, fall, and the Flu Season. Best way to avoid it is not to feed it and to ignore him. Let's see if (for the first time), NOBODY WILL RESPOND to him. Even though in essence, this message is posted as a result of his post, I do not want to try to respond to him. There is NOTHING that anyone on this list can say that will make sense to him. Ignore him and he will go away and then pop up again in another 4-5 months. The best way to fire back is NOT TO POST! I'm counting on you all. Don't break! Jim! From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doctor Dave Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:41 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 09/24/09 To Arion Staff Forum Members info@flylightning.net nick@flylightning.net info@vwwebdesign.com Congrats on new site. Will provide my first glance edits of new website below. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:58 AM PST US Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Non Response to TROLL From: "James, Clive R" We weren't Jim, you did.....he won....:-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: 26 September 2009 11:58 Subject: Lightning-List: Non Response to TROLL To all forum users... PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND to this troll message. This troll's posts have the same content and seasonally pop up like spring, fall, and the Flu Season. Best way to avoid it is not to feed it and to ignore him. Let's see if (for the first time), NOBODY WILL RESPOND to him. Even though in essence, this message is posted as a result of his post, I do not want to try to respond to him. There is NOTHING that anyone on this list can say that will make sense to him. Ignore him and he will go away and then pop up again in another 4-5 months. The best way to fire back is NOT TO POST! I'm counting on you all. Don't break! Jim! From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doctor Dave Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:41 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 09/24/09 To Arion Staff Forum Members info@flylightning.net nick@flylightning.net info@vwwebdesign.com Congrats on new site. Will provide my first glance edits of new website below. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:58 AM PST US From: Kayberg@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Non Response to TROLL While I had no plans to respond to AVN100, I want to respond to the non-response. AVN is simply offering a critique of the website....which I dont care about. Websites are ALWAYS easy to criticise and hard to keep up. And of course he has some misconceptions about 51% which no amount of persuasion has changed. So I had no response planned. But I wonder if I might be the next one boycotted? Or will it be you? One substance fueled babbling email and we might be banned!!! Or actually "shunned" , like the Amish do it. I am on other listserves that have rather abusive posters. Oh well. They give it out and they get it back. We all make choices about responding....and we make choices about reading the response. I think some chose to just delete the email without reading it. For all I know, some will delete this one when they see it is from me!!! But I am suggesting we simply ignore goofy content... and not necessarily shun the writer. And do it on a personal basis not group fiat. doug koenigsberg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:16 AM PST US From: Kayberg@aol.com Subject: Lightning-List: Going unnoticed Green Landings was the sight of yet another Lightining first flight this past week. It was eclipsed by our excitement that Marks Tin Bird flew the day before. And we all congratulate him on a long and annoying build that had lots of sass since he built it with our knowledge!! It was a good job on a not-a-Lightning bird. And we wish him well during the test phase. (keep those aileron cables tight!!!) But Ryan Gross turned out a "Best One Yet" for the Green Landings build center. A Lightning sculpted in British Racing Green with Gold pinstriping. It had the latest tail mods and special wingtips. That means it had light ailerons and just a bit heavier elevator control. I witnessed the first flight and it flew great!! Straight and true from the get-go!! The Best One Yet trophy will stand for a couple months until Greg C.'s bird leaves the nest. To the contemplating Lightning builders: There is a real advantage to using a build center. You can take advantage of all the previous experience and have an airplane to be proud of. It also means that when you want to add your special touches, from cupholder to relief tube, it won't take so long to build. The plan is to have flown off the restrictions and bring it to Homecoming Oct 10th. The plane was going to be the GL Demo, but it is headed south once the papers are signed. Congrats to Ryan. Doug Koenigsberg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:04 AM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Non Response to TROLL From: "pequeajim" Doug, this will be my only response to you. You said: I am suggesting we simply ignore goofy content... and not necessarily shun the writer I believe that what I suggested that we do. I think the appeal of non response is similar to ignore. I prefer to be able to read this list with constructive, and not abusive comments which is what this guy is typical of. He then draws both Nick and Pete out to defend themselves with some very non-respectful statements. Arion has come a long way and still needs to improve, but they are working hard at it, and it is evident in everything they do. Sure criticism is good if it is respectful and constructive. I actually agree with some of the points that he has made over time, just not the way he makes them. You have been surfing the lists long enough to understand what a troll is, and know that overall, they are not good for the health of the list. If you want to just see messages peak, trolls can be good for that, but they destroy the well being of the list. Im not shunning or boycotting the writer and I dont appreciate you putting words in my mouth or misrepresenting my intentions. If he had posted his response in a way that was constructive and respectful, Im sure everyone could have benefited somewhat from it. Pick the parts that you agree with and ignore the parts that you do not. It is the disrespectful tone that he directs towards the company and anyone that disagrees with him that I have a problem with. As far as the other list servers that have these kind of guys posting abusive content, I try not to frequent or participate in them. Or will it be you? You dont have to worry about that Doug. I will unsubscribe from the list and all Lightning activities so you dont have to worry about me. Jim! From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kayberg@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Non Response to TROLL While I had no plans to respond to AVN100, I want to respond to the non-response. AVN is simply offering a critique of the website....which I dont care about. Websites are ALWAYS easy to criticise and hard to keep up. And of course he has some misconceptions about 51% which no amount of persuasion has changed. So I had no response planned. But I wonder if I might be the next one boycotted? Or will it be you? One substance fueled babbling email and we might be banned!!! Or actually "shunned" , like the Amish do it. I am on other listserves that have rather abusive posters. Oh well. They give it out and they get it back. We all make choices about responding....and we make choices about reading the response. I think some chose to just delete the email without reading it. For all I know, some will delete this one when they see it is from me!!! But I am suggesting we simply ignore goofy content... and not necessarily shun the writer. And do it on a personal basis not group fiat. doug koenigsberg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265119#265119 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message lightning-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Lightning-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/lightning-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/lightning-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.