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1. 08:57 AM - Re: Non Response to TROLL (yhol)
2. 01:11 PM - Re: Lightning-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 09/26/09 (...)
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Subject: | Re: Non Response to TROLL |
Hello Jim,
I have been following this list for the last two years or so and your comments
have always been helpful to me. In fact, your website and the newsletter are
the two main reasons why I will get a lightning of my own within the next six
months.
Your advise to avoid the troll is a very good one as he has often resolved to bring
unjustified incendiary comments and personal attacks to discussions that
did not go his way. Older members know that the guy is not easy to discuss with,
your post is simply a warning to newer members of the list. It is better
than letting someone waste time there without knowing.
I hope you stick around and that maybe sometime you may have the opportunity to
build another stunning looking lightning.
Janin Dupont
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265213#265213
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Subject: | Re: Lightning-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 09/26/09 |
WTF?- I thought I spent those years in the military to defend the homeland
and our principles of free speech and world-leading productivity (through
candid critique and continuous improvement)...not some elizabethan etiquett
e
and plantation or church manners (like pretending my awesome doomsday B52s
=93BUF=94 label stood for Big Ugly Fellow). Nor kowtow to sycophants.
Back channel E confirms there is a subset of free-thinking (OK perhaps
slightly Family Guy perverse) forum members who find my style entertaining
and critically informative but are smart enough to not risk the wrath of
lurking prissy puritans or interruption in parts supply by saying so
publicly.
You dont have to like me or my deliberately provocative delivery. Just rea
d
the stuff about weekend social fly-ins and admirable completions if that is
your preference.
But if you choose to read my stuff, why respond by claiming without
convincing proof that there is a pattern of falsity or libel in it? By
calling for it to be banned so no one can gain from it?
Either discuss my observations and positively apply my recommendations
or
show me where they are wrong
or
STFU.
I have previously apologized and retracted when corrected so suggesting
nothing anyone can say will change my positions is lying bullshyte.
My key points again - still unchallenged...
Was or was not that website riddled with errors which potential buyers migh
t
consider (wrongly) indicative of an aircraft also riddled with errors?
Scarcely a reaction one =93should not care about=94 or a critique one shou
ld
label =93goofy=94, Doug. Should those errors be identified and repaired?
Something tells me they will be so say thank you for that part at least
goddamnit. Did I send you a bill?
Did Arion or did it not fail to request 51 per cent review (as done by majo
r
US kit builders) and very nearly lose that option forever? I included the
EAA press release on that very FAA review for chrissake. Factual enough fo
r
you, Jim? Something you didn=92t want anyone else to see? Arion may have
had
valid limited resource and prioritization reasons for risking that status
forever and I applaud their recognizing market trends and belatedly buying
an ASTM SLSA/ELSA rubber stamp.
Are there build centers in the USA which demean EAA founding principles and
risk FAA sanctions (including revoked certificates and registrations) by
letting owners pay company craftsmen to do hands-on work and substantially
build complex aircraft for them (rather than just give them instruction on
how to build) with final approval from captive DARs? Is there or is there
not intense high level discussion of whether pre-wired pre-assembled comple
x
components (such as Arion 100 per cent prefab avionics and instrument
panels) require consideration not simply of hours but sophistication
required to build and install?
Even post-visit, I DO NOT KNOW everything that goes on at your build center
but $30,000 seems like a lot of money to pay for a tutor who keeps his hand
s
in his pockets... and for a fraction of that months light bill.
Does or does not the SLSA have a different airfoil, wing length, and stall
speed than the kit bird?
Are both substantially based on the Esqual design and are Esquals to this
day used as test mules for Lightning options and modifications?
And, again, correct me if I am wrong. Arion paid good money (which
ultimately filters down to increase the price of parts and new product to
customers like Janin Dupont who is apparently more interested in piling on
than factual rebuttal and in decorum more than de-facts) to some hometown
internet churn that did an OK job for Jabiru. When they publish an
essentially illiterate and factually flawed site are we all supposed to
admire the Emperors new clothes?
Worse... you can have your Ford in any color you want so long as it is blac
k
(no dreaming of taildraggers) and god help anyone who even constructivey
criticizes the CEO and HQ Staff. If I have to choose, I would rather be a
proud troll than a company whore, Jimbo.
Yes, as a loyal supporter of Lightning I am reacting forcefully (and in som
e
cases overreacting) to even the first hint of trends at Arion which I saw
destroy CZAW. Arrogance. Overhyped marketing. Missing certification
opportunities and then covering it up. Rewarding adoring buyers and
punishing candid ones. Refusal to concede direct lineage from the Zenith
line Erwin once produced for the Euro market (and now faces lawsuits for
production shortcomings that led to accidents with many of the same
subcontractors, materials, designs, workers, and manufacturing processes
still used today on Sportcruiser).
No one with a non-Alzheimic brain and fourth grade reading skills could
think I do not prefer and have continuing admiration for and general
confidence in the Arion folks. My deposit will be first in line when the
overdue conventional gear option is offered... well maybe second or third s
o
no one identifies and takes a hit out on me.
In self-defense rather than self-aggrandizement, I will close by saying tha
t
I do not appreciate being called a disease, Miss Jimmy Manners. At worst,
I
am the moldy Peoria cantaloupe that led to penicillin.
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