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1. 06:18 AM - Lightning and the 51% rule (flylightning)
2. 11:13 AM - Re: Lightning and the 51% rule (Bill Strahan)
3. 11:58 AM - Re: Re: Lightning and the 51% rule (flylightning)
4. 12:14 PM - Annual Gathering of the Lightnings (EAFerguson@AOL.COM)
5. 12:27 PM - Re: Annual Gathering of the Lightnings (LISA TURNER)
6. 01:43 PM - Re: Lightning and the 51% rule (marvinlnaz@yahoo.com)
7. 02:23 PM - Re: Lightning and the 51% rule (flylightning)
8. 06:33 PM - Annual Gathering of the Lightnings (n5pb@AOL.COM)
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Subject: | Lightning and the 51% rule |
As you all may know the FAA recently published the new AC for EAB. AC-20-27G
now includes item like the definition of Fabrication,
An addition about commercial assistance, and a new Fabrication and Assembly
checklist. The check list is appendix 8 to the document.
Many have asked about if the Lightning kit in its current form would comply
to the new check list. Arion Aircraft has spent the better part of the day
going thru this list.
We have followed the AC's guidance as best as we could interpret it and have
come up with some good numbers.
The new list gives 4 categories in which 1 total point can be awarded for an
individual task.
You can add or delete tasks as required based on the aircraft design and it
application at hand.
Using the guide provided and the summary chart at the end of the appendix we
have found that;
Builder assembly counts for 30.0% of the kit.
Builder fabrication counts for 30.2% of the kit.
Kit Manufacturer ( Arion Aircraft, LLC) accounts for 39.8%.
This gives the builder 60.2% of the work required, well above the 51%
required.
This also does not take into account a builder whom; wires their own panel,
paints there own aircraft, and builds their own interior.
All items they will get more credit for. The Check list does not penalize a
builder for hiring these items out, but does credit own who is willing to
perform those tasks.
The New AC does state that a kit need not be on the approved 51% list to
receive and inspection or AWC. For aircraft not on the approved current
list, the builder should fill out the provided check list for the DAR when
time comes for the inspection.
We have started the paper work to have the Kit evaluation team come to Arion
Aircraft, LLC at there earliest convenience to inspect the Lightning kit and
have it added to the list.
I hope that any one interested in building a lightning as there next project
will remain so, and read the AC carefully. There is much speculation and
"Expert" opinions out there, but rest assured the rule has not changed for
the home builder and building a kit not on the approved list was not, and
still is not a problem.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
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Subject: | Re: Lightning and the 51% rule |
One of my favorite aspects of ALL of my dealings with Arion has been the fantastic
combination of a high degree of professionalism and a fun-hearted approach
to what they do.
I feel this is an unbeatable quality in a company, and one which I have strived
to create in any organization I have been part of.
With recent troll activity in particular it would have been quite easy to have
formulated a response that was further from these two ideals than I know Nick
and company strive for.
I've known many seasoned CEOs with multiple degrees to their name that don't handle
themselves with the same degree of professionalism that Nick exhibits on
a regular basis both in this forum and in my dealings with him directly.
If I had not already built a Lightning, this would weigh heavily in my decision
to do so. I continue to be impressed.
Bill
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Subject: | Re: Lightning and the 51% rule |
Thank you Bill.
Nick
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Strahan
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:13 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning and the 51% rule
One of my favorite aspects of ALL of my dealings with Arion has been the
fantastic combination of a high degree of professionalism and a fun-hearted
approach to what they do.
I feel this is an unbeatable quality in a company, and one which I have
strived to create in any organization I have been part of.
With recent troll activity in particular it would have been quite easy to
have formulated a response that was further from these two ideals than I
know Nick and company strive for.
I've known many seasoned CEOs with multiple degrees to their name that don't
handle themselves with the same degree of professionalism that Nick exhibits
on a regular basis both in this forum and in my dealings with him directly.
If I had not already built a Lightning, this would weigh heavily in my
decision to do so. I continue to be impressed.
Bill
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267769#267769
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Subject: | Annual Gathering of the Lightnings |
I had a great time, even though the weather wasn't the best. Nice people,
good friends, neat airplanes, useful seminars, rain and cold gusty wind. It
was worth the trip. I was especially pleased to see the prospective
Lightning builders who came by. Those who didn't make it, for whatever reason,
and
weather and distance come to mind, missed a great event. Hope you can come
next year!
My thanks to Pete, Nick, et al for the hospitality, and the effort to make
this a worthwhile event. You succeeded.
Earl Ferguson, W.R.
Atlanta
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Subject: | Re: Annual Gathering of the Lightnings |
Yes indeed, over the top thanks to everyone there who made us feel so welcome also
and showed us work in progress, the Jab engine, and completed Lightnings.
Sorry we could not stay longer; all I can do now is dream Lightnings and save
for the special day when I can have one!
Lisa
Lisa Turner
Hayesville, NC
Email: lisaturner@prodigy.net
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From: "EAFerguson@aol.com" <EAFerguson@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:06:46 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Annual Gathering of the Lightnings
I had a great time, even though the weather wasn't the best. Nice people, good
friends, neat airplanes, useful seminars, rain and cold gusty wind. It was worth
the trip. I was especially pleased to see the prospective Lightning builders
who came by. Those who didn't make it, for whatever reason, and weather
and distance come to mind, missed a great event. Hope you can come next year!
My thanks to Pete, Nick, et al for the hospitality, and the effort to make this
a worthwhile event. You succeeded.
Earl Ferguson, W.R.
Atlanta
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Subject: | Re: Lightning and the 51% rule |
Nick. How does the 'Factory build assist' play into this?
Marvin
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Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning and the 51% rule
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Subject: | Lightning and the 51% rule |
Marvin,
I believe we will have to look at what we do with the builders assist a
little closer. We run an assist program here in TN, not a build it for
you
so we have always work along with the intent and spirit of the 51% rule.
However now we will have to look at each individual thing we may help
with
or do that may cause a problem with the new rule. It is interesting
though
when you look at how the points are spread out or awarded to with a
task. 1
point for each task. If that task already covered an Item where the MFG
was
awarded =BD a point and the builder the other half, well a build assist
would
than be looking at what part of the =BD a point the builder got would be
considered assistance. So may be if we showed them how to set up the
holes
and measure the part and than the builder drilled it and assembled the
part,
we might get 1 or 2 tenths of the builders =BD point and the builder
would get
3-4 tenths instead of the whole 5 tenths of a point. This would mean a
swing
of 0.2% for the MFG. When considering that there is roughly 10% left
that
Arion Aircraft could do to the kit and still have the kit meet the rule
than
there is a lot that a build assist center could provide and not cause an
eligibility problem for the builder. This may be different if the center
drilled and cut all the parts and all the builder did was come and bolt
something together, or the kit already was very marginal in the %
required,
but in the case of the Lightning kit it appears that when using the
system
and guidelines in the AC that this should remain a viable option for the
Lightning kit and someone looking to get a bit of help building there
plane.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
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marvinlnaz@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning and the 51% rule
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Subject: | Annual Gathering of the Lightnings |
Pete, Nick, Mark, Buz and the entire Lightning/Jabiru team at KSYI,
Thanks for another great fly-in event. I had a great time! It was great to meet
all the lightning builders/owners
and their families. The food was great, briefings well presented, ground gevents
fun, and the
formation flying superb!
I know alot of work goes into this behind the scenes and it's certainly appreciated.
Aleady looking towards next year's
event-less the rain.....
Thanks for all you do.
Bear
Bear
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