---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/14/09: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:51 AM - Re: Lightning and the 51% rule (Brian Proett) 2. 12:14 PM - Rudder cable to Rudder attach. (flylightning) 3. 01:10 PM - Re: Re: Lightning and the 51% rule (Charles Gallagher) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:51:53 AM PST US From: "Brian Proett" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning and the 51% rule Good answer, also liked the interpretation on the new rulings. This helps allay my fears and concerns. Keep us informed as things progress. Thanks This might be good newsletter material. Brian P. _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:19 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning and the 51% rule Marvin, I believe we will have to look at what we do with the builders assist a little closer. We run an assist program here in TN, not a build it for you so we have always work along with the intent and spirit of the 51% rule. However now we will have to look at each individual thing we may help with or do that may cause a problem with the new rule. It is interesting though when you look at how the points are spread out or awarded to with a task. 1 point for each task. If that task already covered an Item where the MFG was awarded =BD a point and the builder the other half, well a build assist would than be looking at what part of the =BD a point the builder got would be considered assistance. So may be if we showed them how to set up the holes and measure the part and than the builder drilled it and assembled the part, we might get 1 or 2 tenths of the builders =BD point and the builder would get 3-4 tenths instead of the whole 5 tenths of a point. This would mean a swing of 0.2% for the MFG. When considering that there is roughly 10% left that Arion Aircraft could do to the kit and still have the kit meet the rule than there is a lot that a build assist center could provide and not cause an eligibility problem for the builder. This may be different if the center drilled and cut all the parts and all the builder did was come and bolt something together, or the kit already was very marginal in the % required, but in the case of the Lightning kit it appears that when using the system and guidelines in the AC that this should remain a viable option for the Lightning kit and someone looking to get a bit of help building there plane. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of marvinlnaz@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning and the 51% rule ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:27 PM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: Lightning-List: Rudder cable to Rudder attach. To group, A few months back, maybe several now, there was some discussion about the geometry of the rudder cable to the rudder attach u bracket. I know that the group had come up with a good solution but here is another easy off the shelf solution. Dave up in New York suggested it and this should work very well. Replace you U bracket with a male rod-end. The hole has a 10-32 plate in the rudder, so a standard 10-32 male rod end will work great. Use a washer and jam nut under the rod-end. The rod end will end up putting the pivot slightly farther forward than the u bracket. It may be necessary to re-adjust your cables, and in extreme cases shorten the threaded portion of the cable slightly to fit properly into the turn-buckle. If you don't have an issue than don't worry about it, if you do this can be a very good solution. Nick ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:37 PM PST US From: Charles Gallagher Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning and the 51% rule Bill,your comments and assessments of Nick and team are right on target. Pe te and Nick obviously love what they are doing and it manifest itself throu gh out the organization.The product continues to be perfected with each bui ld which illustrates Arion's desire for continuous improvement. Who says in novation and excellence is dead in the USA. All the best,Regards,Charles - ---- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- ------------- Tue, 10/13/09, Bill Strahan wrote: From: Bill Strahan Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning and the 51% rule One of my favorite aspects of ALL of my dealings with Arion has been the fa ntastic combination of a high degree of professionalism and a fun-hearted a pproach to what they do. I feel this is an unbeatable quality in a company, and one which I have str ived to create in any organization I have been part of.- With recent troll activity in particular it would have been quite easy to h ave formulated a response that was further from these two ideals than I kno w Nick and company strive for. I've known many seasoned CEOs with multiple degrees to their name that don' t handle themselves with the same degree of professionalism that Nick exhib its on a regular basis both in this forum and in my dealings with him direc tly.- If I had not already built a Lightning, this would weigh heavily in my deci sion to do so.- I continue to be impressed. 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