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0. 12:06 AM - List Fund Raiser (Matt Dralle)
1. 12:39 AM - Modified long wing tips (Bill Strahan)
2. 12:51 AM - Prop balancing (Bill Strahan)
3. 03:54 AM - Re: Modified long wing tips (Kayberg@aol.com)
4. 05:35 AM - Re: Prop balancing (Mark Stauffer)
5. 05:37 AM - Re: Prop balancing (Johnny Thompson)
6. 05:42 AM - Re: Another Lightning Flies! (Mark Stauffer)
7. 06:37 AM - Re: Prop balancing (Brian Whittingham)
8. 10:55 AM - Re: Modified long wing tips (Bob Haas)
9. 11:53 AM - Re: Modified long wing tips (Steven Sundquist)
10. 12:13 PM - Re: Modified long wing tips (Hal Wolyn)
11. 12:29 PM - Re: Modified long wing tips (Marvin Williams)
12. 12:43 PM - Re: Looking for finished Lightning (Mark Stauffer)
13. 02:23 PM - Re: Prop balancing (Catalpa Aviation)
14. 09:17 PM - Re: Prop balancing (Bill Strahan)
15. 09:23 PM - Re: Modified long wing tips (Bill Strahan)
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Subject: | Modified long wing tips |
I saw a picture, I think it may have been from Sun n Fun, of a Lightning that had
cut-down long wingtips.
I'm interested in making similar tips for my Lightning, and would appreciate it
if an owner of a Lightning with these tips would offer some insight as to the
process.
Pictures are worth a thousand words, so they would be helpful and require you to
type a lot less!
Thanks,
Bill
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272287#272287
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I fabricated the brackets to mount my dyna-vibe prop balancing sensors to the Jabiru
yesterday. I got everything mounted just as I was running out of time,
so I only ran the engine briefly to measure vibration at 2000 rpm. I haven't
actually gotten to do the balancing part yet.
But the reading was pretty shocking. I was showing .38 IPS at 2000 RPM. That's
pretty high. The plane feels very smooth though!
The sensors are mounted directly to the engine so I'm guessing that the smoothness
is due in large part to a very effective engine mount and perhaps some natural
dampening of the composite fuselage.
My Grumman felt positively buzzy at .26 IPS and felt MUCH less smooth than my Lightning
does even though my Lightning is showing a higher vibration level at
the engine itself. Once I got the Grumman to .05 IPS it was silky smooth.
So, I'm thinking that when I get the Jabiru down in that range coupled with the
obviously better engine vibration isolation in the mount/fuselage of my Lightning
that I'll only be able to tell the engine is running by the noise or looking
at the EFIS. ;)
I'll post my results after I actually balance it and test fly it tomorrow.
Bill
Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Re: Modified long wing tips |
In a message dated 11/11/2009 3:40:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bill@gdsx.com writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Bill Strahan" <bill@gdsx.com>
I saw a picture, I think it may have been from Sun n Fun, of a Lightning
that had cut-down long wingtips.
I'm interested in making similar tips for my Lightning, and would
appreciate it if an owner of a Lightning with these tips would offer some insight
as to the process.
Pictures are worth a thousand words, so they would be helpful and require
you to type a lot less!
Thanks,
Bill
Bill, you probably saw one that was from the Green Landings build center.
While Ryan has developed some methods of doing the cut-down, it is just a
"butcher and fill" job that takes many hours to do. You have to hack
them apart and epoxy back together. No special tricks. It is critical to
get the alignment and washout right, tho
It is my observation that build centers develop proprietary techniques that
offer incentives to use their facilities. Consequently, they dont tend
to disclose their "tricks" . In this case there is not much of a trick.
Just annoying work.
Doug Koenigsberg
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It's amazing what you can accomplish when you actually take your plane
home!! ;-)
Anybody interested in a nice yellow Grumman?
All in fun.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill
Strahan
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:51 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Prop balancing
I fabricated the brackets to mount my dyna-vibe prop balancing sensors to
the Jabiru yesterday. I got everything mounted just as I was running out of
time, so I only ran the engine briefly to measure vibration at 2000 rpm. I
haven't actually gotten to do the balancing part yet.
But the reading was pretty shocking. I was showing .38 IPS at 2000 RPM.
That's pretty high. The plane feels very smooth though!
The sensors are mounted directly to the engine so I'm guessing that the
smoothness is due in large part to a very effective engine mount and perhaps
some natural dampening of the composite fuselage.
My Grumman felt positively buzzy at .26 IPS and felt MUCH less smooth than
my Lightning does even though my Lightning is showing a higher vibration
level at the engine itself. Once I got the Grumman to .05 IPS it was silky
smooth.
So, I'm thinking that when I get the Jabiru down in that range coupled with
the obviously better engine vibration isolation in the mount/fuselage of my
Lightning that I'll only be able to tell the engine is running by the noise
or looking at the EFIS. ;)
I'll post my results after I actually balance it and test fly it tomorrow.
Bill
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272288#272288
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Subject: | Re: Prop balancing |
Bill
Looks like you will have no problem bringing the ips below .07. I have been
balancing props for a while and would like to have more info from you.
What type of prop? Ground adjustable or fixed?
What type of spinner. Composite or metal?
What engine, solid or hydraulic.
Hours on engine?
I have found much worse on a Lighting I am working with. Static RPM was
2675.
First run was 3.5 ips. That is twice as high as any I have ever seen and way
over the maximum. Prop was pulled, ground adjustable, sent to factory for
rework and returned. Next run was about 2.8. Composite spinner was removed
and vibe was .8+-. Balanced to about .35. New metal spinner was installed
and will run a new balance soon. Engine is solid lifters at about 250
hours. I will be doing a balance on my Lightning in the next week.
Hope more will start having their aircraft dynamic balanced. It is worth the
cost.
Johnny Thompson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Strahan" <bill@gdsx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:50 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Prop balancing
>
> I fabricated the brackets to mount my dyna-vibe prop balancing sensors to
> the Jabiru yesterday. I got everything mounted just as I was running out
> of time, so I only ran the engine briefly to measure vibration at 2000
> rpm. I haven't actually gotten to do the balancing part yet.
>
> But the reading was pretty shocking. I was showing .38 IPS at 2000 RPM.
> That's pretty high. The plane feels very smooth though!
>
> The sensors are mounted directly to the engine so I'm guessing that the
> smoothness is due in large part to a very effective engine mount and
> perhaps some natural dampening of the composite fuselage.
>
> My Grumman felt positively buzzy at .26 IPS and felt MUCH less smooth than
> my Lightning does even though my Lightning is showing a higher vibration
> level at the engine itself. Once I got the Grumman to .05 IPS it was
> silky smooth.
>
> So, I'm thinking that when I get the Jabiru down in that range coupled
> with the obviously better engine vibration isolation in the mount/fuselage
> of my Lightning that I'll only be able to tell the engine is running by
> the noise or looking at the EFIS. ;)
>
> I'll post my results after I actually balance it and test fly it tomorrow.
>
> Bill
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272288#272288
>
>
>
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Subject: | Another Lightning Flies! |
N327AL is SN 86 and the 48th to fly. Currently we've delivered 82 kits (7
serial numbers were not used for various reasons). With that in mind we
currently have a 58.5% completion rate over the last 3.5 years. To put that
into perspective the industry average of original purchasers actually
completing their kits is below 25%. As far as I know all of our completions
have been by the original purchasers.
Mark
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of flylightning
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:19 PM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Lightning-List: Another Lightning FLies!
To Group,
I am not sure if this is 48 or 49 but N327AL Arion's new Exp Demo flew
today for the first time. An uneventful first flight, all total 2 hours of
flying today.
This plane has a real neat feature, Wig Wag Lighting. We have a light
pocket in each wing, with AeroLed's MicroSuns. With these lights you can
wire them together and than run a switch to get a Wig Wag function.
Looks real good on approach I hear and is visible for a long distance.
Initial performance with no fairings is as follows;
@4,500'
2850RPM 123kntsTAS
2950RPM 127kntsTAS
Fuel flow in the 5.5-6 range but is a bit rich right now will tune
tomorrow.
Nick
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Bill=2C I too am very interested in your prop balancing. Perhaps you can
write a little something for the newsletter as I believe this would help ev
erybody enjoy their aircraft more and over 1000+ hours is bound to help you
r engine life and reliability. Thanks=2C Brian W.
> Subject: Lightning-List: Prop balancing
> From: bill@gdsx.com
> Date: Wed=2C 11 Nov 2009 00:50:52 -0800
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I fabricated the brackets to mount my dyna-vibe prop balancing sensors to
the Jabiru yesterday. I got everything mounted just as I was running out
of time=2C so I only ran the engine briefly to measure vibration at 2000 rp
m. I haven't actually gotten to do the balancing part yet.
>
> But the reading was pretty shocking. I was showing .38 IPS at 2000 RPM.
That's pretty high. The plane feels very smooth though!
>
> The sensors are mounted directly to the engine so I'm guessing that the s
moothness is due in large part to a very effective engine mount and perhaps
some natural dampening of the composite fuselage.
>
> My Grumman felt positively buzzy at .26 IPS and felt MUCH less smooth tha
n my Lightning does even though my Lightning is showing a higher vibration
level at the engine itself. Once I got the Grumman to .05 IPS it was silky
smooth.
>
> So=2C I'm thinking that when I get the Jabiru down in that range coupled
with the obviously better engine vibration isolation in the mount/fuselage
of my Lightning that I'll only be able to tell the engine is running by the
noise or looking at the EFIS. =3B)
>
> I'll post my results after I actually balance it and test fly it tomorrow
.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272288#272288
>
>
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Subject: | Modified long wing tips |
The Lightning in question N330BH, is mine. The
workmanship is very good, there is only
one seam that can be seen if you know where to look. Bob Haas.
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Kayberg@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Modified long wing tips
In a message dated 11/11/2009 3:40:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bill@gdsx.com writes:
I saw a picture, I think it may have been from Sun n Fun, of a Lightning
that had cut-down long wingtips.
I'm interested in making similar tips for my Lightning, and would appreciate
it if an owner of a Lightning with these tips would offer some insight as to
the process.
Pictures are worth a thousand words, so they would be helpful and require
you to type a lot less!
Thanks,
Bill
Bill, you probably saw one that was from the Green Landings build center.
While Ryan has developed some methods of doing the cut-down, it is just a
"butcher and fill" job that takes many hours to do. You have to hack them
apart and epoxy back together. No special tricks. It is critical to get
the alignment and washout right, tho
It is my observation that build centers develop proprietary techniques that
offer incentives to use their facilities. Consequently, they dont tend to
disclose their "tricks" . In this case there is not much of a trick. Just
annoying work.
Doug Koenigsberg
07:40:00
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Subject: | Re: Modified long wing tips |
That was done by Green Landings. I inquired about the process and didn't
get a response. You might have better luck.
Steve Sundquist
Kit #48
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Bill Strahan <bill@gdsx.com> wrote:
>
> I saw a picture, I think it may have been from Sun n Fun, of a Lightning
> that had cut-down long wingtips.
>
> I'm interested in making similar tips for my Lightning, and would
> appreciate it if an owner of a Lightning with these tips would offer some
> insight as to the process.
>
> Pictures are worth a thousand words, so they would be helpful and require
> you to type a lot less!
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272287#272287
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Modified long wing tips |
Hey, anybody out there that has a FINISHED Lightning for sale?
Need a good-faster LSA than is on the market. Due to a minor medical
fear that our dear FED will cancel my certificate I am going LSA and
just put my Bonanza up for sale. Not too good at working on "things"
so the request for a done plane.
Haven`t flown in one..but saw one about a year ago at CGZ during a fly
in and was very impressed.
Thanks,
Hal
nylowinc@mac.com
On Nov 11, 2009, at 11:30 AM, Steven Sundquist wrote:
> That was done by Green Landings. I inquired about the process and
> didn't get a response. You might have better luck.
>
> Steve Sundquist
> Kit #48
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Bill Strahan <bill@gdsx.com> wrote:
>
> I saw a picture, I think it may have been from Sun n Fun, of a
> Lightning that had cut-down long wingtips.
>
> I'm interested in making similar tips for my Lightning, and would
> appreciate it if an owner of a Lightning with these tips would offer
> some insight as to the process.
>
> Pictures are worth a thousand words, so they would be helpful and
> require you to type a lot less!
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272287#272287
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Subject: | Re: Modified long wing tips |
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:06:44 PM=0ASubject: Re: Lightning-List: Modified long wing tips=0A=0AHey,
anybody out there that has a FINISHED Lightning for sale?=0A=0ANeed a good
-faster LSA than is on the market. Due to a minor medical fear that our de
ar FED will cancel my certificate I am going LSA and just put my Bonanza up
for sale. Not too good at working on "things" so the request for a done p
lane.=0A=0AHaven`t flown in one..but saw one about a year ago at CGZ during
a fly in and was very impressed.=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0AHal =0Anylowinc@mac.com
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Subject: | Looking for finished Lightning |
Hal,
Our company demonstrator, N325AL is for sale. This is a certified S-LSA
built buy us here in Shelbyville, TN. Please visit our web site for more
information: www.flylightning.net. I've also attached a flyer for the
airplane.
If you have any other questions please feel free to contact us.
Best regards,
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hal Wolyn
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:07 PM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Modified long wing tips
Hey, anybody out there that has a FINISHED Lightning for sale?
Need a good-faster LSA than is on the market. Due to a minor medical fear
that our dear FED will cancel my certificate I am going LSA and just put my
Bonanza up for sale. Not too good at working on "things" so the request for
a done plane.
Haven`t flown in one..but saw one about a year ago at CGZ during a fly in
and was very impressed.
Thanks,
Hal
nylowinc@mac.com
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Hullo all,
Prop and engine balancing problems.
I have found that the Jabiru engines with solid lifters are fairly smooth
and the early hydraulic ones run harshly. I have had both engines in my
flying school over the years, both 2.2 engines.
We have had both the 4 and 6 cylinder hydraulic engines self destruct at
about 400-450 hours due to the harshness in the engine (vibration). The fix
is to (A) turn them back into solid lifter engine (B) replace the cam with
the latest 260 cam or (C) a 3 blade prop (wood or composite, hides the
vibration, does not stop self destruction). To turn them into solid lifter
engines requires the lifter to have a slug fitted and the rockers to have a
screw and locknut as per the solid lifter engine. We have done both a 4 and
6 cylinder engines so far with great results, very smooth running, lower
EGT, CHT and oil temps and oh more power. Fitting the latest cam means
taking the engine to pieces, do this with high time engines (say over 400
hours) as you will probably find crankcase wear around the main bearings and
cam at the 5-6 cylinder area. If your engine has broken a through bolt
(happened to me on my 4 and a friend with his 6 both above the fuel pump)
the crankcases WILL need machining, the engine has just self destructed.
After saying the above I would not have any other engine, the Jabiru is
still going through birthing pains and is a great engine. As a side note I
have just ordered a J250 kit, my second kit as I have already built a
Lightning.
Anthony
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Whittingham
Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2009 1:36 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Prop balancing
Bill,
I too am very interested in your prop balancing. Perhaps you can write a
little something for the newsletter as I believe this would help everybody
enjoy their aircraft more and over 1000+ hours is bound to help your engine
life and reliability. Thanks, Brian W.
> Subject: Lightning-List: Prop balancing
> From: bill@gdsx.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:50:52 -0800
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I fabricated the brackets to mount my dyna-vibe prop balancing sensors to
the Jabiru yesterday. I got everything mounted just as I was running out of
time, so I only ran the engine briefly to measure vibration at 2000 rpm. I
haven't actually gotten to do the balancing part yet.
>
> But the reading was pretty shocking. I was showing .38 IPS at 2000 RPM.
That's pretty high. The plane feels very smooth though!
>
> The sensors are mounted directly to the engine so I'm guessing that the
smoothness is due in large part to a very effective engine mount and perhaps
some natural dampening of the composite fuselage.
>
> My Grumman felt positively buzzy at .26 IPS and felt MUCH less smooth than
my Lightning does even though my Lightning is showing a higher vibration
level at the engine itself. Once I got the Grumman to .05 IPS it was silky
smooth.
>
> So, I'm thinking that when I get the Jabiru down in that range coupled
with the obviously better engine vibration isolation in the mount/fuselage
of my Lightning that I'll only be able to tell the engine is running by the
noise or looking at the EFIS. ;)
>
> I'll post my results after I actually balance it and test fly it tomorrow.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272288#272288
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Prop balancing |
mark(at)flylightning.net wrote:
> It's amazing what you can accomplish when you actually take your plane
> home!! ;-)
>
> Anybody interested in a nice yellow Grumman?
>
> All in fun.
>
> Mark
>
> --
And here I thought we were friends. Sniffle sniffle. :)
Actually, I was at my hangar today doing misc work and my partner in the Grumman
dropped by. I had him jump in the plane with me and found out I can't shut
the canopy with him in it! He's 6'4" and the canopy hit his head without a headset
on! We pulled the cushions out, and I think he might be okay so if all
goes well I'll bring him out once I get my 40 hours and he'll fly the Grumman
back.
It sure is nice to have it 20 minutes away. I can work on the plane during the
day and still be home when my kids get home from school. Perfect!
I also spent some time on the balance and got it down to .18 before I again had
to call it a day. With the accelerometer mounted on the VERY front of the engine
it will be very sensitive, so I should be able to achieve that turbine-like
smoothness I'm after.
As to other posts on this thread, how can I verify the profile cam that I have
on my engine?
Bill
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Subject: | Re: Modified long wing tips |
sttwig wrote:
> That was done by Green Landings. I inquired about the process and didn't get
a response. You might have better luck.
>
> Steve Sundquist
> Kit #48
>
> [b]
I sent an email to them, but have not heard back. I can see many ways of doing
it, just would like to see some pictures of the process if possible.
I'm sure Green Landings is proud of their process, but I wouldn't think this is
an element of intellectual property that really would make the decision on which
center you would choose.
When I do it I'll share some pictures. Unless I butcher it. Then I'll just ask
for sympathy. :)
Bill
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