---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/11/09: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:06 AM - List Fund Raiser (Matt Dralle) 1. 12:39 AM - Modified long wing tips (Bill Strahan) 2. 12:51 AM - Prop balancing (Bill Strahan) 3. 03:54 AM - Re: Modified long wing tips (Kayberg@aol.com) 4. 05:35 AM - Re: Prop balancing (Mark Stauffer) 5. 05:37 AM - Re: Prop balancing (Johnny Thompson) 6. 05:42 AM - Re: Another Lightning Flies! (Mark Stauffer) 7. 06:37 AM - Re: Prop balancing (Brian Whittingham) 8. 10:55 AM - Re: Modified long wing tips (Bob Haas) 9. 11:53 AM - Re: Modified long wing tips (Steven Sundquist) 10. 12:13 PM - Re: Modified long wing tips (Hal Wolyn) 11. 12:29 PM - Re: Modified long wing tips (Marvin Williams) 12. 12:43 PM - Re: Looking for finished Lightning (Mark Stauffer) 13. 02:23 PM - Re: Prop balancing (Catalpa Aviation) 14. 09:17 PM - Re: Prop balancing (Bill Strahan) 15. 09:23 PM - Re: Modified long wing tips (Bill Strahan) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:16 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Lightning-List: List Fund Raiser Dear Listers, Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well! Please make your Contribution today: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:45 AM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Modified long wing tips From: "Bill Strahan" I saw a picture, I think it may have been from Sun n Fun, of a Lightning that had cut-down long wingtips. I'm interested in making similar tips for my Lightning, and would appreciate it if an owner of a Lightning with these tips would offer some insight as to the process. Pictures are worth a thousand words, so they would be helpful and require you to type a lot less! Thanks, Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272287#272287 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:03 AM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Prop balancing From: "Bill Strahan" I fabricated the brackets to mount my dyna-vibe prop balancing sensors to the Jabiru yesterday. I got everything mounted just as I was running out of time, so I only ran the engine briefly to measure vibration at 2000 rpm. I haven't actually gotten to do the balancing part yet. But the reading was pretty shocking. I was showing .38 IPS at 2000 RPM. That's pretty high. The plane feels very smooth though! The sensors are mounted directly to the engine so I'm guessing that the smoothness is due in large part to a very effective engine mount and perhaps some natural dampening of the composite fuselage. My Grumman felt positively buzzy at .26 IPS and felt MUCH less smooth than my Lightning does even though my Lightning is showing a higher vibration level at the engine itself. Once I got the Grumman to .05 IPS it was silky smooth. So, I'm thinking that when I get the Jabiru down in that range coupled with the obviously better engine vibration isolation in the mount/fuselage of my Lightning that I'll only be able to tell the engine is running by the noise or looking at the EFIS. ;) I'll post my results after I actually balance it and test fly it tomorrow. Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272288#272288 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:03 AM PST US From: Kayberg@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Modified long wing tips In a message dated 11/11/2009 3:40:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bill@gdsx.com writes: --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Bill Strahan" I saw a picture, I think it may have been from Sun n Fun, of a Lightning that had cut-down long wingtips. I'm interested in making similar tips for my Lightning, and would appreciate it if an owner of a Lightning with these tips would offer some insight as to the process. Pictures are worth a thousand words, so they would be helpful and require you to type a lot less! Thanks, Bill Bill, you probably saw one that was from the Green Landings build center. While Ryan has developed some methods of doing the cut-down, it is just a "butcher and fill" job that takes many hours to do. You have to hack them apart and epoxy back together. No special tricks. It is critical to get the alignment and washout right, tho It is my observation that build centers develop proprietary techniques that offer incentives to use their facilities. Consequently, they dont tend to disclose their "tricks" . In this case there is not much of a trick. Just annoying work. Doug Koenigsberg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:17 AM PST US From: "Mark Stauffer" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Prop balancing It's amazing what you can accomplish when you actually take your plane home!! ;-) Anybody interested in a nice yellow Grumman? All in fun. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Strahan Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:51 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Prop balancing I fabricated the brackets to mount my dyna-vibe prop balancing sensors to the Jabiru yesterday. I got everything mounted just as I was running out of time, so I only ran the engine briefly to measure vibration at 2000 rpm. I haven't actually gotten to do the balancing part yet. But the reading was pretty shocking. I was showing .38 IPS at 2000 RPM. That's pretty high. The plane feels very smooth though! The sensors are mounted directly to the engine so I'm guessing that the smoothness is due in large part to a very effective engine mount and perhaps some natural dampening of the composite fuselage. My Grumman felt positively buzzy at .26 IPS and felt MUCH less smooth than my Lightning does even though my Lightning is showing a higher vibration level at the engine itself. Once I got the Grumman to .05 IPS it was silky smooth. So, I'm thinking that when I get the Jabiru down in that range coupled with the obviously better engine vibration isolation in the mount/fuselage of my Lightning that I'll only be able to tell the engine is running by the noise or looking at the EFIS. ;) I'll post my results after I actually balance it and test fly it tomorrow. Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272288#272288 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:03 AM PST US From: "Johnny Thompson" <8wn@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Prop balancing Bill Looks like you will have no problem bringing the ips below .07. I have been balancing props for a while and would like to have more info from you. What type of prop? Ground adjustable or fixed? What type of spinner. Composite or metal? What engine, solid or hydraulic. Hours on engine? I have found much worse on a Lighting I am working with. Static RPM was 2675. First run was 3.5 ips. That is twice as high as any I have ever seen and way over the maximum. Prop was pulled, ground adjustable, sent to factory for rework and returned. Next run was about 2.8. Composite spinner was removed and vibe was .8+-. Balanced to about .35. New metal spinner was installed and will run a new balance soon. Engine is solid lifters at about 250 hours. I will be doing a balance on my Lightning in the next week. Hope more will start having their aircraft dynamic balanced. It is worth the cost. Johnny Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Strahan" Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:50 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Prop balancing > > I fabricated the brackets to mount my dyna-vibe prop balancing sensors to > the Jabiru yesterday. I got everything mounted just as I was running out > of time, so I only ran the engine briefly to measure vibration at 2000 > rpm. I haven't actually gotten to do the balancing part yet. > > But the reading was pretty shocking. I was showing .38 IPS at 2000 RPM. > That's pretty high. The plane feels very smooth though! > > The sensors are mounted directly to the engine so I'm guessing that the > smoothness is due in large part to a very effective engine mount and > perhaps some natural dampening of the composite fuselage. > > My Grumman felt positively buzzy at .26 IPS and felt MUCH less smooth than > my Lightning does even though my Lightning is showing a higher vibration > level at the engine itself. Once I got the Grumman to .05 IPS it was > silky smooth. > > So, I'm thinking that when I get the Jabiru down in that range coupled > with the obviously better engine vibration isolation in the mount/fuselage > of my Lightning that I'll only be able to tell the engine is running by > the noise or looking at the EFIS. ;) > > I'll post my results after I actually balance it and test fly it tomorrow. > > Bill > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272288#272288 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:44 AM PST US From: "Mark Stauffer" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Another Lightning Flies! N327AL is SN 86 and the 48th to fly. Currently we've delivered 82 kits (7 serial numbers were not used for various reasons). With that in mind we currently have a 58.5% completion rate over the last 3.5 years. To put that into perspective the industry average of original purchasers actually completing their kits is below 25%. As far as I know all of our completions have been by the original purchasers. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:19 PM To: lightning-list@matronics.com Subject: Lightning-List: Another Lightning FLies! To Group, I am not sure if this is 48 or 49 but N327AL Arion's new Exp Demo flew today for the first time. An uneventful first flight, all total 2 hours of flying today. This plane has a real neat feature, Wig Wag Lighting. We have a light pocket in each wing, with AeroLed's MicroSuns. With these lights you can wire them together and than run a switch to get a Wig Wag function. Looks real good on approach I hear and is visible for a long distance. Initial performance with no fairings is as follows; @4,500' 2850RPM 123kntsTAS 2950RPM 127kntsTAS Fuel flow in the 5.5-6 range but is a bit rich right now will tune tomorrow. Nick ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:14 AM PST US From: Brian Whittingham Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Prop balancing Bill=2C I too am very interested in your prop balancing. Perhaps you can write a little something for the newsletter as I believe this would help ev erybody enjoy their aircraft more and over 1000+ hours is bound to help you r engine life and reliability. Thanks=2C Brian W. > Subject: Lightning-List: Prop balancing > From: bill@gdsx.com > Date: Wed=2C 11 Nov 2009 00:50:52 -0800 > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > > I fabricated the brackets to mount my dyna-vibe prop balancing sensors to the Jabiru yesterday. I got everything mounted just as I was running out of time=2C so I only ran the engine briefly to measure vibration at 2000 rp m. I haven't actually gotten to do the balancing part yet. > > But the reading was pretty shocking. I was showing .38 IPS at 2000 RPM. That's pretty high. The plane feels very smooth though! > > The sensors are mounted directly to the engine so I'm guessing that the s moothness is due in large part to a very effective engine mount and perhaps some natural dampening of the composite fuselage. > > My Grumman felt positively buzzy at .26 IPS and felt MUCH less smooth tha n my Lightning does even though my Lightning is showing a higher vibration level at the engine itself. Once I got the Grumman to .05 IPS it was silky smooth. > > So=2C I'm thinking that when I get the Jabiru down in that range coupled with the obviously better engine vibration isolation in the mount/fuselage of my Lightning that I'll only be able to tell the engine is running by the noise or looking at the EFIS. =3B) > > I'll post my results after I actually balance it and test fly it tomorrow .. > > Bill > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272288#272288 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:52 AM PST US From: "Bob Haas" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Modified long wing tips The Lightning in question N330BH, is mine. The workmanship is very good, there is only one seam that can be seen if you know where to look. Bob Haas. _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kayberg@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:52 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Modified long wing tips In a message dated 11/11/2009 3:40:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bill@gdsx.com writes: I saw a picture, I think it may have been from Sun n Fun, of a Lightning that had cut-down long wingtips. I'm interested in making similar tips for my Lightning, and would appreciate it if an owner of a Lightning with these tips would offer some insight as to the process. Pictures are worth a thousand words, so they would be helpful and require you to type a lot less! Thanks, Bill Bill, you probably saw one that was from the Green Landings build center. While Ryan has developed some methods of doing the cut-down, it is just a "butcher and fill" job that takes many hours to do. You have to hack them apart and epoxy back together. No special tricks. It is critical to get the alignment and washout right, tho It is my observation that build centers develop proprietary techniques that offer incentives to use their facilities. Consequently, they dont tend to disclose their "tricks" . In this case there is not much of a trick. Just annoying work. Doug Koenigsberg 07:40:00 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Modified long wing tips From: Steven Sundquist That was done by Green Landings. I inquired about the process and didn't get a response. You might have better luck. Steve Sundquist Kit #48 On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Bill Strahan wrote: > > I saw a picture, I think it may have been from Sun n Fun, of a Lightning > that had cut-down long wingtips. > > I'm interested in making similar tips for my Lightning, and would > appreciate it if an owner of a Lightning with these tips would offer some > insight as to the process. > > Pictures are worth a thousand words, so they would be helpful and require > you to type a lot less! > > Thanks, > Bill > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272287#272287 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:00 PM PST US From: Hal Wolyn Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Modified long wing tips Hey, anybody out there that has a FINISHED Lightning for sale? Need a good-faster LSA than is on the market. Due to a minor medical fear that our dear FED will cancel my certificate I am going LSA and just put my Bonanza up for sale. Not too good at working on "things" so the request for a done plane. Haven`t flown in one..but saw one about a year ago at CGZ during a fly in and was very impressed. Thanks, Hal nylowinc@mac.com On Nov 11, 2009, at 11:30 AM, Steven Sundquist wrote: > That was done by Green Landings. I inquired about the process and > didn't get a response. 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This is a certified S-LSA built buy us here in Shelbyville, TN. Please visit our web site for more information: www.flylightning.net. I've also attached a flyer for the airplane. If you have any other questions please feel free to contact us. Best regards, Mark Mark Stauffer Production Manager Arion Aircraft 2842 Hwy 231 North Shelbyville, TN 37160 (931) 680-1781 -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hal Wolyn Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:07 PM To: lightning-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Modified long wing tips Hey, anybody out there that has a FINISHED Lightning for sale? Need a good-faster LSA than is on the market. Due to a minor medical fear that our dear FED will cancel my certificate I am going LSA and just put my Bonanza up for sale. Not too good at working on "things" so the request for a done plane. Haven`t flown in one..but saw one about a year ago at CGZ during a fly in and was very impressed. Thanks, Hal nylowinc@mac.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:56 PM PST US From: "Catalpa Aviation" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Prop balancing Hullo all, Prop and engine balancing problems. I have found that the Jabiru engines with solid lifters are fairly smooth and the early hydraulic ones run harshly. I have had both engines in my flying school over the years, both 2.2 engines. We have had both the 4 and 6 cylinder hydraulic engines self destruct at about 400-450 hours due to the harshness in the engine (vibration). The fix is to (A) turn them back into solid lifter engine (B) replace the cam with the latest 260 cam or (C) a 3 blade prop (wood or composite, hides the vibration, does not stop self destruction). To turn them into solid lifter engines requires the lifter to have a slug fitted and the rockers to have a screw and locknut as per the solid lifter engine. We have done both a 4 and 6 cylinder engines so far with great results, very smooth running, lower EGT, CHT and oil temps and oh more power. Fitting the latest cam means taking the engine to pieces, do this with high time engines (say over 400 hours) as you will probably find crankcase wear around the main bearings and cam at the 5-6 cylinder area. If your engine has broken a through bolt (happened to me on my 4 and a friend with his 6 both above the fuel pump) the crankcases WILL need machining, the engine has just self destructed. After saying the above I would not have any other engine, the Jabiru is still going through birthing pains and is a great engine. As a side note I have just ordered a J250 kit, my second kit as I have already built a Lightning. Anthony _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Whittingham Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2009 1:36 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Prop balancing Bill, I too am very interested in your prop balancing. Perhaps you can write a little something for the newsletter as I believe this would help everybody enjoy their aircraft more and over 1000+ hours is bound to help your engine life and reliability. Thanks, Brian W. > Subject: Lightning-List: Prop balancing > From: bill@gdsx.com > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:50:52 -0800 > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > > I fabricated the brackets to mount my dyna-vibe prop balancing sensors to the Jabiru yesterday. I got everything mounted just as I was running out of time, so I only ran the engine briefly to measure vibration at 2000 rpm. I haven't actually gotten to do the balancing part yet. > > But the reading was pretty shocking. I was showing .38 IPS at 2000 RPM. That's pretty high. The plane feels very smooth though! > > The sensors are mounted directly to the engine so I'm guessing that the smoothness is due in large part to a very effective engine mount and perhaps some natural dampening of the composite fuselage. > > My Grumman felt positively buzzy at .26 IPS and felt MUCH less smooth than my Lightning does even though my Lightning is showing a higher vibration level at the engine itself. Once I got the Grumman to .05 IPS it was silky smooth. > > So, I'm thinking that when I get the Jabiru down in that range coupled with the obviously better engine vibration isolation in the mount/fuselage of my Lightning that I'll only be able to tell the engine is running by the noise or looking at the EFIS. ;) > > I'll post my results after I actually balance it and test fly it tomorrow. > > Bill > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272288#272288 > > > > > > > >====================== &g=================== > > > _____ Hotmail: Trusted email GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ' target='_new'>Sign up now. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:39 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Prop balancing From: "Bill Strahan" mark(at)flylightning.net wrote: > It's amazing what you can accomplish when you actually take your plane > home!! ;-) > > Anybody interested in a nice yellow Grumman? > > All in fun. > > Mark > > -- And here I thought we were friends. Sniffle sniffle. :) Actually, I was at my hangar today doing misc work and my partner in the Grumman dropped by. I had him jump in the plane with me and found out I can't shut the canopy with him in it! He's 6'4" and the canopy hit his head without a headset on! We pulled the cushions out, and I think he might be okay so if all goes well I'll bring him out once I get my 40 hours and he'll fly the Grumman back. It sure is nice to have it 20 minutes away. I can work on the plane during the day and still be home when my kids get home from school. Perfect! I also spent some time on the balance and got it down to .18 before I again had to call it a day. With the accelerometer mounted on the VERY front of the engine it will be very sensitive, so I should be able to achieve that turbine-like smoothness I'm after. As to other posts on this thread, how can I verify the profile cam that I have on my engine? Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272405#272405 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:12 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Modified long wing tips From: "Bill Strahan" sttwig wrote: > That was done by Green Landings. I inquired about the process and didn't get a response. You might have better luck. > > Steve Sundquist > Kit #48 > > [b] I sent an email to them, but have not heard back. I can see many ways of doing it, just would like to see some pictures of the process if possible. I'm sure Green Landings is proud of their process, but I wouldn't think this is an element of intellectual property that really would make the decision on which center you would choose. When I do it I'll share some pictures. Unless I butcher it. Then I'll just ask for sympathy. :) Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272406#272406 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message lightning-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Lightning-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/lightning-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/lightning-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.