---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/18/09: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:16 AM - What's My Contribution Used For? (Matt Dralle) 1. 03:49 AM - Re: New kid on the blog (Gerd + Uli Nowack) 2. 05:52 AM - Re: New kid on the blog (James, Clive R) 3. 07:21 AM - Re: New kid on the blog (Gerd + Uli Nowack) 4. 10:18 AM - Slight ringing at low RPM when taxiing (Bill Strahan) 5. 10:23 AM - Re: Uneven EGTs at full throttle (Bill Strahan) 6. 02:48 PM - Re: Re: Uneven EGTs at full throttle (flylightning) 7. 03:54 PM - uneven EGT's (Tex Mantell) 8. 05:22 PM - Re: uneven EGT's (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS) 9. 08:53 PM - Re: Slight ringing at low RPM when taxiing (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 10. 10:16 PM - Re: Slight ringing at low RPM when taxiing (James, Clive R) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:25 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Lightning-List: What's My Contribution Used For? Dear Listers, Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. 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It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the best investments you can make in your Sport... List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:37 AM PST US From: Gerd + Uli Nowack Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New kid on the blog Hi Bear, thank you for the friendly welcome! I just finished the first cutouts from chapter 1/ fuselage prep. and while looking forward to the building I some how wish, I`d already be flying like you! Gerd > Welcome to the group. I'm sure you'll love the building of your > Lightning. My kit was No. 74. I just finished my 1st annual > condition inspection...Seems hard to believe it's already been a > year. alot of fun flying it. > > Good luck and keep us posted... > N82PB > > "Bear" > Clearwater, Florida. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerd + Uli Nowack > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:42 am > Subject: Lightning-List: New kid on the blog > > > > > Another Lightning took to the skies on wednesday 11, taking off at > Chicago O`Hare airport to fly nonstop all the way to Frankfurt Rhein > Main A/P. > Not on its own wings, though, but in a crate aboard a MD11 Freighter > of Lufthansa Cargo. It arrived safely , sits now in front of my garage > in Linden near Giessen and waits to be assembled in the spare time I > can find in the months( or years) to come. > My name is Gerd (pronounced Garret) Nowack , age 54 and I have been an > active pilot, private and professional, since 1976. > So here are my greetings from Germany as a new member of the Lightning > list! > > Gerd > > ==================================== > ank>www.aeroelectric.com > target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com > blank>www.homebuilthelp.com > lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ==================================== > target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > ==================================== > ://forums.matronics.com > ==================================== > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:29 AM PST US Subject: RE: Lightning-List: New kid on the blog From: "James, Clive R" It's great to see the Lightning has arrived in Europe Gerd. I do wonder if it's time for a few more LSA type aircraft to come the other way (US to Europe) The Europeans and producing a lot of different types in the class and the good thing is from what I've seen there is no speed restriction. What we do need over here is a harmonised LSA type category but the EASA (European CAA) are making a right pigs breakfast of everything they get involved with so for now it's just countries with 'experimental' available that can build planes like the lightning. Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerd + Uli Nowack Sent: 18 November 2009 11:48 Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New kid on the blog Hi Bear, thank you for the friendly welcome! I just finished the first cutouts from chapter 1/ fuselage prep. and while looking forward to the building I some how wish, I`d already be flying like you! Gerd Welcome to the group. I'm sure you'll love the building of your Lightning. My kit was No. 74. I just finished my 1st annual condition inspection...Seems hard to believe it's already been a year. alot of fun flying it. Good luck and keep us posted... N82PB "Bear" Clearwater, Florida. -----Original Message----- From: Gerd + Uli Nowack To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:42 am Subject: Lightning-List: New kid on the blog Another Lightning took to the skies on wednesday 11, taking off at Chicago O`Hare airport to fly nonstop all the way to Frankfurt Rhein Main A/P. Not on its own wings, though, but in a crate aboard a MD11 Freighter of Lufthansa Cargo. It arrived safely , sits now in front of my garage in Linden near Giessen and waits to be assembled in the spare time I can find in the months( or years) to come. My name is Gerd (pronounced Garret) Nowack , age 54 and I have been an active pilot, private and professional, since 1976. So here are my greetings from Germany as a new member of the Lightning list! Gerd ==================================== ank>www.aeroelectric.com target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com blank>www.homebuilthelp.com lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ==================================== target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ==================================== ://forums.matronics.com ==================================== href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:05 AM PST US From: Gerd + Uli Nowack Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New kid on the blog Hi James Yes, the Lightning has made it to Europe, so after the initial Evaluation by the OUV(the german EAA) for my project is completed ( which should be thae case within the next few days. I hope) Aircraft builders from other european countries can make use of this for their certification process. I`ve given up waiting for a European LSA solution and decided to go ahead now, since I have a PPL and a medical . No speed limit for my Lightning! Gerd > > It's great to see the Lightning has arrived in Europe Gerd. I do wonder > if it's time for a few more LSA type aircraft to come the other way (US > to Europe) > The Europeans and producing a lot of different types in the class and > the good thing is from what I've seen there is no speed restriction. > What we do need over here is a harmonised LSA type category but the EASA > (European CAA) are making a right pigs breakfast of everything they get > involved with so for now it's just countries with 'experimental' > available that can build planes like the lightning. > > Regards, Clive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerd + > Uli Nowack > Sent: 18 November 2009 11:48 > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New kid on the blog > > Hi Bear, > > thank you for the friendly welcome! > I just finished the first cutouts from chapter 1/ fuselage prep. and > while looking forward to the building I some how wish, I`d already be > flying like you! > > Gerd > > > > Welcome to the group. I'm sure you'll love the building of your > Lightning. My kit was No. 74. I just finished my 1st annual condition > inspection...Seems hard to believe it's already been a year. alot of > fun flying it. > > Good luck and keep us posted... > N82PB > > "Bear" > Clearwater, Florida. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerd + Uli Nowack > > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:42 am > Subject: Lightning-List: New kid on the blog > > > > > Another Lightning took to the skies on wednesday 11, taking off > at Chicago O`Hare airport to fly nonstop all the way to Frankfurt Rhein > Main A/P. > Not on its own wings, though, but in a crate aboard a MD11 > Freighter of Lufthansa Cargo. It arrived safely , sits now in front of > my garage in Linden near Giessen and waits to be assembled in the spare > time I can find in the months( or years) to come. > My name is Gerd (pronounced Garret) Nowack , age 54 and I have > been an active pilot, private and professional, since 1976. > So here are my greetings from Germany as a new member of the > Lightning list! > > Gerd > > ==================================== > ank>www.aeroelectric.com > target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com > blank>www.homebuilthelp.com > lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ==================================== > target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > ==================================== > ://forums.matronics.com > ==================================== > > > > > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co > ntribution > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matr > onics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:57 AM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Slight ringing at low RPM when taxiing From: "Bill Strahan" I hear the very slightest ringing sound when taxiing. It does not occur at idle RPM, and can only be heard for a brief moment as the RPMs come up from idle to sufficient RPM to start to taxi. It is very brief, and very quiet, but it's there. Just the tiniest ringing sound. And it seems to change in frequency with the engine during the short time it can be heard. I don't hear anything of the sort on takeoff or in flight. Any ideas? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273559#273559 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:55 AM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Uneven EGTs at full throttle From: "Bill Strahan" Well, after experimenting quite a bit and flying a couple of hours in different configurations, here's my latest conclusion on my uneven fuel distribution: I've ordered a Rotec TBI. :) My flight with just the radiator hoes was awful. After some more research, I tried modifying it with an .025 aluminum insert along the 90 degree bend to stop any rotation and to help it around the corner. That produced results better than the original SCAT tube but still very uneven. Then I inserted another short piece of aluminum at 90 degrees to the first to hopefully kill any rotation and get everything lined up before the carb. Results: Even better, slightly, but still not acceptable. I have essentially tried 4 different tube configurations to get the air from the filter box to the carb, and while I have produced varied results, I have not addressed the original problem to my satisfaction. I spoke with the tech guy at Rotec, who said they had experienced similar problems with the Bing, and while it was a great carb it was very sensitive to slight imbalances and swirl in the flow. And he assured me their TBI was much less sensitive to those issues. I'll post under a new thread when I receive and install the Rotec unit. Fingers are crossed. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273561#273561 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:42 PM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Uneven EGTs at full throttle Bill, Sounds like a good tech article on the TBI for the news letter too. I have drilled 2 more holes in the static tube, the first 1" back from the original on the opposite side and another 2" rear of the original on the same side. My TAs and Avg ground speed are now right on. I think Tex was on to something and the change to your static tube seems to be the same adjustment N327AL needed. I will try on one of our other Lightnings as this may have to be added to the build manual. Nick -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Strahan Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Uneven EGTs at full throttle Well, after experimenting quite a bit and flying a couple of hours in different configurations, here's my latest conclusion on my uneven fuel distribution: I've ordered a Rotec TBI. :) My flight with just the radiator hoes was awful. After some more research, I tried modifying it with an .025 aluminum insert along the 90 degree bend to stop any rotation and to help it around the corner. That produced results better than the original SCAT tube but still very uneven. Then I inserted another short piece of aluminum at 90 degrees to the first to hopefully kill any rotation and get everything lined up before the carb. Results: Even better, slightly, but still not acceptable. I have essentially tried 4 different tube configurations to get the air from the filter box to the carb, and while I have produced varied results, I have not addressed the original problem to my satisfaction. I spoke with the tech guy at Rotec, who said they had experienced similar problems with the Bing, and while it was a great carb it was very sensitive to slight imbalances and swirl in the flow. And he assured me their TBI was much less sensitive to those issues. I'll post under a new thread when I receive and install the Rotec unit. Fingers are crossed. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273561#273561 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:13 PM PST US From: "Tex Mantell" Subject: Lightning-List: uneven EGT's Nick, I also had a uneven egt on number one (1) . I rotated the carb about three degrees and problem gone. I use the normal scat tub between the air box and carb. All EGT's are now within 45 degrees. Tex ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:33 PM PST US From: "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: uneven EGT's Tex, You were lucky; rotating the carb made very little difference on my EGTs. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Tex Mantell To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:48 PM Subject: Lightning-List: uneven EGT's Nick, I also had a uneven egt on number one (1) . I rotated the carb about three degrees and problem gone. I use the normal scat tub between the air box and carb. All EGT's are now within 45 degrees. Tex ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:03 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Slight ringing at low RPM when taxiing Bill, Unless you have the "door bell" mod, I suspect you have something vibrating. Check anywhere you have air movement under the cowling for something loose that could vibrate. That is assuming the sound is coming from under the cowl. Maybe the first question should be where does it sound like it is coming from. As to your Bing carb issue, the fixes you have tried (smooth radiator hose and slightly rotating the carb) has fixed the other airplanes I have heard having the uneven EGT issues (Lightnings and Zodiacs) so I am thinking it is something specific to your carb or intake manifold. Have you checked to make sure you don't have some sort of induction leak? It wouldn't take much of an air leak to cause some major issues with fuel distribution. But if you do try the Rotec TBI, we do need a future article in the newsletter like Nick mentioned. Several folks have tried them with the Jabiru engine, but I am not aware of any on 3300s and certainly none on a Lightning yet. I talked to Nick, Pete, and Ben about testing one while I was out there in October and they seemed to be open to Ben trying one out when he found the time. I am guessing he has not found any free time recently. So it would be good to hear your results when you get that done. Since the TBI had a mixture, you could pull off your HACman and "give" it to me. What a great idea. Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 11/18/2009 1:19:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bill@gdsx.com writes: --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Bill Strahan" I hear the very slightest ringing sound when taxiing. It does not occur at idle RPM, and can only be heard for a brief moment as the RPMs come up from idle to sufficient RPM to start to taxi. It is very brief, and very quiet, but it's there. Just the tiniest ringing sound. And it seems to change in frequency with the engine during the short time it can be heard. I don't hear anything of the sort on takeoff or in flight. Any ideas? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273559#273559 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:39 PM PST US Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Slight ringing at low RPM when taxiing From: "James, Clive R" The exhaust springs can resonate and will actually snap, I always put a loop of locking wire through them, partly to stop them dropping on anyone's head if they snap and partly to stop the vibration that makes them snap. Might be a singing spring? Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich@aol.com Sent: 19 November 2009 04:48 Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Slight ringing at low RPM when taxiing Bill, Unless you have the "door bell" mod, I suspect you have something vibrating. Check anywhere you have air movement under the cowling for something loose that could vibrate. That is assuming the sound is coming from under the cowl. Maybe the first question should be where does it sound like it is coming from. As to your Bing carb issue, the fixes you have tried (smooth radiator hose and slightly rotating the carb) has fixed the other airplanes I have heard having the uneven EGT issues (Lightnings and Zodiacs) so I am thinking it is something specific to your carb or intake manifold. Have you checked to make sure you don't have some sort of induction leak? It wouldn't take much of an air leak to cause some major issues with fuel distribution. But if you do try the Rotec TBI, we do need a future article in the newsletter like Nick mentioned. Several folks have tried them with the Jabiru engine, but I am not aware of any on 3300s and certainly none on a Lightning yet. I talked to Nick, Pete, and Ben about testing one while I was out there in October and they seemed to be open to Ben trying one out when he found the time. I am guessing he has not found any free time recently. So it would be good to hear your results when you get that done. Since the TBI had a mixture, you could pull off your HACman and "give" it to me. What a great idea. Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 11/18/2009 1:19:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bill@gdsx.com writes: I hear the very slightest ringing sound when taxiing. It does not occur at idle RPM, and can only be heard for a brief moment as the RPMs come up from idle to sufficient RPM to start to taxi. It is very brief, and very quiet, but it's there. Just the tiniest ringing sound. And it seems to change in frequency with the engine during the short time it can be heard. I don't hear anything of the sort on takeoff or in flight. Any ideas? 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