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1. 01:46 PM - Request for info on "cold weather ops" - canopy frost (n1bzrich@AOL.COM)
2. 02:30 PM - Re: Request for info on "cold weather ops" - canopy frost (Dave)
3. 04:22 PM - Re: Request for info on "cold weather ops" - canopy frost (Dick Cleavinger)
4. 05:08 PM - Re: Request for info on "cold weather ops" - canopy frost (Dave)
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Subject: | Request for info on "cold weather ops" - canopy frost |
All,
Below is a request for information that I got from Steven Hacker. So
for any of you "cold weather" experts that are flying your Lightning up
north or maybe out in Colorado, how do you keep the inside of the canopy clear
of frost? Here in my part of Virginia, we just don't get anywhere near as
cold as Steve is talking about. So, any info you provide will probably be
helpful "cold weather ops" information for everyone.
Blue Skies,
Buz
Buz, I like your New Year's day flying idea but it has been quite cold
here in Minnesota as of late - last night temperatures dropped to -15 F, and
our projected high for today is -5 F. Otherwise flying conditions are
great - smooth air and calm winds. Between pre-heating the engine canopy,
battery trickle charger, and the Jabiru cold stat recommendations, I have had
no problems starting my Lightning which I keep in an unheated hanger.
My problem has been on the inside of the canopy. Last week, out with my
instructor at around 10:00 am with temperatures around +6 F, the inside of
the canopy iced up while we taxied - and we had to work very hard to rub off
the frost before we could see well enough to take off. The addition of a
glaring sun did not help matters. However, once we got up in the air,
between a little bit of air vent, and cabin heat, we were able to keep the
canopy clear. Once we landed, the canopy started to ice up again on the
inside.
Is there a trick or a compound that can be applied to the inside of the
canopy? Or should I acknowledge the fact, that once temperatures start drop
ping below 10 F, that inside canopy icing is simply something that I need to
contend with. Thanks
Stephen Hacker
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Subject: | Re: Request for info on "cold weather ops" - canopy frost |
Steven
Is'nt Mn. fun. I leave my side window open during taxi
Be careful to be sure it is cleared off to fly. I didn't one time
thinking it would clear off better during take-off roll,which it always
did before, it got worse and by the time I cleared it off I had hit fog,
not fun. This happen because the Equal was out side in the rain the
night before. I am only saying how stupid of a mistake I made, and for
others not to do the same.
I have a muffler which gives off much more heat to the cabin than the
straight pipes do. I have tried both
Dave
Almost forgot, they do make an anti-fog spray that does work well for
smowmobiling, might be worth looking into
----- Original Message -----
From: n1bzrich@aol.com
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 3:46 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Request for info on "cold weather ops" -
canopy frost
All,
Below is a request for information that I got from Steven Hacker.
So for any of you "cold weather" experts that are flying your Lightning
up north or maybe out in Colorado, how do you keep the inside of the
canopy clear of frost? Here in my part of Virginia, we just don't get
anywhere near as cold as Steve is talking about. So, any info you
provide will probably be helpful "cold weather ops" information for
everyone.
Blue Skies,
Buz
Buz, I like your New Year's day flying idea but it has been quite cold
here in Minnesota as of late - last night temperatures dropped to -15 F,
and our projected high for today is -5 F. Otherwise flying conditions
are great - smooth air and calm winds. Between pre-heating the engine
canopy, battery trickle charger, and the Jabiru cold stat
recommendations, I have had no problems starting my Lightning which I
keep in an unheated hanger.
My problem has been on the inside of the canopy. Last week, out with
my instructor at around 10:00 am with temperatures around +6 F, the
inside of the canopy iced up while we taxied - and we had to work very
hard to rub off the frost before we could see well enough to take off.
The addition of a glaring sun did not help matters. However, once we
got up in the air, between a little bit of air vent, and cabin heat, we
were able to keep the canopy clear. Once we landed, the canopy started
to ice up again on the inside.
Is there a trick or a compound that can be applied to the inside of
the canopy? Or should I acknowledge the fact, that once temperatures
start dropping below 10 F, that inside canopy icing is simply something
that I need to contend with. Thanks
Stephen Hacker
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Subject: | Re: Request for info on "cold weather ops" - canopy frost |
I live in Colorado. I have a Tannis engine preheater and when it is cold
like it has been this month I keep a blanket over the cowl in addition to
the preheat.. The preheater is timed to come on at 4 and go off at 11 so
it's always ready to go. , My airplane is in a hange so I don't seem to
have a frost problem.
Dick Cleavinger
Lightning #42
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Dave <corky@hbci.com> wrote:
> Steven
>
> Is'nt Mn. fun. I leave my side window open during taxi
> Be careful to be sure it is cleared off to fly. I didn't one time
> thinking it would clear off better during take-off roll,which it always did
> before, it got worse and by the time I cleared it off I had hit fog, not
> fun. This happen because the Equal was out side in the rain the night
> before. I am only saying how stupid of a mistake I made, and for others not
> to do the same.
> I have a muffler which gives off much more heat to the cabin than the
> straight pipes do. I have tried both
> Dave
> Almost forgot, they do make an anti-fog spray that does work well for
> smowmobiling, might be worth looking into
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* n1bzrich@aol.com
> *To:* lightning-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 03, 2010 3:46 PM
> *Subject:* Lightning-List: Request for info on "cold weather ops" - canopy
> frost
>
> All,
> Below is a request for information that I got from Steven Hacker. So
> for any of you "cold weather" experts that are flying your Lightning up
> north or maybe out in Colorado, how do you keep the inside of the canopy
> clear of frost? Here in my part of Virginia, we just don't get anywhere
> near as cold as Steve is talking about. So, any info you provide will
> probably be helpful "cold weather ops" information for everyone.
> Blue Skies,
> Buz
>
> Buz, I like your New Year's day flying idea but it has been quite cold here
> in Minnesota as of late - last night temperatures dropped to -15 F, and our
> projected high for today is -5 F. Otherwise flying conditions are great -
> smooth air and calm winds. Between pre-heating the engine canopy, battery
> trickle charger, and the Jabiru cold stat recommendations, I have had no
> problems starting my Lightning which I keep in an unheated hanger.
>
> My problem has been on the inside of the canopy. Last week, out with my
> instructor at around 10:00 am with temperatures around +6 F, the inside of
> the canopy iced up while we taxied - and we had to work very hard to rub off
> the frost before we could see well enough to take off. *The addition of a
> glaring sun did not help matters. * However, once we got up in the air,
> between a little bit of air vent, and cabin heat, we were able to keep the
> canopy clear. Once we landed, the canopy started to ice up again on the
> inside.
>
> Is there a trick or a compound that can be applied to the inside of the
> canopy? Or should I acknowledge the fact, that once temperatures start
> dropping below 10 F, that inside canopy icing is simply something that I
> need to contend with. Thanks
> Stephen Hacker
>
> *
>
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Subject: | Re: Request for info on "cold weather ops" - canopy frost |
Dick
My Esqual also is hangered and I have a timed heater that I set the day
before flight to go on one hour prior to the flight. This canopy fog
happened at my cabin in central Wi. and I was not used to having rain
and moisture on the aircraft over night,
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Cleavinger
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Request for info on "cold weather ops" -
canopy frost
I live in Colorado. I have a Tannis engine preheater and when it is
cold like it has been this month I keep a blanket over the cowl in
addition to the preheat.. The preheater is timed to come on at 4 and go
off at 11 so it's always ready to go. , My airplane is in a hange so I
don't seem to have a frost problem.
Dick Cleavinger
Lightning #42
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Dave <corky@hbci.com> wrote:
Steven
Is'nt Mn. fun. I leave my side window open during taxi
Be careful to be sure it is cleared off to fly. I didn't one time
thinking it would clear off better during take-off roll,which it always
did before, it got worse and by the time I cleared it off I had hit fog,
not fun. This happen because the Equal was out side in the rain the
night before. I am only saying how stupid of a mistake I made, and for
others not to do the same.
I have a muffler which gives off much more heat to the cabin than
the straight pipes do. I have tried both
Dave
Almost forgot, they do make an anti-fog spray that does work well
for smowmobiling, might be worth looking into
----- Original Message -----
From: n1bzrich@aol.com
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 3:46 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Request for info on "cold weather ops" -
canopy frost
All,
Below is a request for information that I got from Steven
Hacker. So for any of you "cold weather" experts that are flying your
Lightning up north or maybe out in Colorado, how do you keep the inside
of the canopy clear of frost? Here in my part of Virginia, we just
don't get anywhere near as cold as Steve is talking about. So, any info
you provide will probably be helpful "cold weather ops" information for
everyone.
Blue Skies,
Buz
Buz, I like your New Year's day flying idea but it has been quite
cold here in Minnesota as of late - last night temperatures dropped to
-15 F, and our projected high for today is -5 F. Otherwise flying
conditions are great - smooth air and calm winds. Between pre-heating
the engine canopy, battery trickle charger, and the Jabiru cold stat
recommendations, I have had no problems starting my Lightning which I
keep in an unheated hanger.
My problem has been on the inside of the canopy. Last week, out
with my instructor at around 10:00 am with temperatures around +6 F, the
inside of the canopy iced up while we taxied - and we had to work very
hard to rub off the frost before we could see well enough to take off.
The addition of a glaring sun did not help matters. However, once we
got up in the air, between a little bit of air vent, and cabin heat, we
were able to keep the canopy clear. Once we landed, the canopy started
to ice up again on the inside.
Is there a trick or a compound that can be applied to the inside
of the canopy? Or should I acknowledge the fact, that once temperatures
start dropping below 10 F, that inside canopy icing is simply something
that I need to contend with. Thanks
Stephen Hacker
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