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4. 09:14 PM - Rotec TBI (Bill Strahan)
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Subject: | Re: Lightning Construction Manual |
Hi George,
I think you will be very pleased with you choice of the Lightning for your
next aircraft building project. It is a great airplane with fantastic
performance and outstanding looks. I watched a friend build a Pulsar here in
Virginia some years ago (before the Lightning was on the market) and it was
a much more involved project. He certainly invested much more than 1200
hours in his Pulsar build. Another friend (in Texas) has just completed a
Pulsar and is doing the Phase One testing at the moment. It is actually
covered in the February Lightning Newsletter.
The Lightning is truly a quick build kit and, with your past experience,
you will have yours flying quickly. And as you mentioned, the Pulsar was
quite small. I could not get in it because of the limited leg and head
room and I am only 6'2". The Lightning can easily carry two people my size.
Reference the Lycoming O-290, another friend used a G model (old ground
power unit) modified to aviation standards in his Pitts and it worked rather
well. So, you could probably adapt an O-290 to the Lightning, but you
would lose quite a bit of useful load - probably close to 100 pounds. From
memory, I think the Lycoming O-290 dry weight is close to 265 pounds and the
installed weight will certainly be more. Again, from memory, the Jabiru
3300 is around 180 pounds and that includes the exhaust, starter, and all
other accessories. That much weight difference ahead of the firewall will
certainly cause some W&B adjustments - like putting the battery quite a bit
aft in the fuselage. And remember, the easiest and best way to make an
airplane faster and perform better is to keep the weight down. I would also
suspect that the fuel burn on the O-290 would be quite a bit more than the
3300. Other considerations would be the fact that the Jabiru would "bolt
right in" per the plans but you would have to come up with your own O-290
systems such as exhaust, oil cooling set ups, etc., etc. Also, the routine
maintenance cost of such things as spark plugs and oil filters, etc. would run
much more for the O-290.
Which ever way you go, don't forget to write some articles for the
newsletter while you are building and flying. I am sure your experience and
"lessons learned" will be very beneficial to future Lightning builders and
flyers. One other thought, I seem to remember only one Lightning owner from
California - John Krizman (not sure if I am spelling that right). I took John
for a demo flight some time ago and he just recently completed his build
at the Shelbyville facility. Not sure if he has his "jet" in California yet
or not. Mark and Nick can fill you in, but I certainly agree with your
plan to visit Greg Hobbs in Arizona to see his Lightning and probably get a
demo flight.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
In a message dated 2/2/2010 11:34:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pulsar1@sbcglobal.net writes:
I am considering building a Lightning. I have read all of the newsletters
and I am impressed with the airplane. I know that the advertised
construction time is about 600 hours. I have constructed a Pulsar and the
advertised building time for that aircraft was 1200 hours. The Pulsar has been
flying for 10 years but has always been a little to small for me and a
passenger. It's time to build another plane. So, my question is: Are there
any
samples of the Lightning build manual that I could look at to see the level
of detail in the construction. Something that will give me an idea of
what needs to be built in the 600 hours. One thing that really appeals to me
is the short build time. Also, has anyone used a different engine in the
aircraft? I have an 0290 that I would like to use if possible.
Thanks
George Gennuso
_pulsar1@sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:pulsar1@sbcglobal.net)
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List)
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Subject: | Lightning Construction Manual |
John's plane is still with us here in Shelbyville. The plane is flying and
just waiting for John to come back and finish up his Phase 1 testing before
making the trek back to Sacramento.
Mark
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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 8:16 AM
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Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Construction Manual
Hi George,
I think you will be very pleased with you choice of the Lightning for your
next aircraft building project. It is a great airplane with fantastic
performance and outstanding looks. I watched a friend build a Pulsar here
in Virginia some years ago (before the Lightning was on the market) and it
was a much more involved project. He certainly invested much more than 1200
hours in his Pulsar build. Another friend (in Texas) has just completed a
Pulsar and is doing the Phase One testing at the moment. It is actually
covered in the February Lightning Newsletter.
The Lightning is truly a quick build kit and, with your past experience,
you will have yours flying quickly. And as you mentioned, the Pulsar was
quite small. I could not get in it because of the limited leg and head room
and I am only 6'2". The Lightning can easily carry two people my size.
Reference the Lycoming O-290, another friend used a G model (old ground
power unit) modified to aviation standards in his Pitts and it worked rather
well. So, you could probably adapt an O-290 to the Lightning, but you would
lose quite a bit of useful load - probably close to 100 pounds. From
memory, I think the Lycoming O-290 dry weight is close to 265 pounds and the
installed weight will certainly be more. Again, from memory, the Jabiru
3300 is around 180 pounds and that includes the exhaust, starter, and all
other accessories. That much weight difference ahead of the firewall will
certainly cause some W&B adjustments - like putting the battery quite a bit
aft in the fuselage. And remember, the easiest and best way to make an
airplane faster and perform better is to keep the weight down. I would also
suspect that the fuel burn on the O-290 would be quite a bit more than the
3300. Other considerations would be the fact that the Jabiru would "bolt
right in" per the plans but you would have to come up with your own O-290
systems such as exhaust, oil cooling set ups, etc., etc. Also, the routine
maintenance cost of such things as spark plugs and oil filters, etc. would
run much more for the O-290.
Which ever way you go, don't forget to write some articles for the
newsletter while you are building and flying. I am sure your experience and
"lessons learned" will be very beneficial to future Lightning builders and
flyers. One other thought, I seem to remember only one Lightning owner from
California - John Krizman (not sure if I am spelling that right). I took
John for a demo flight some time ago and he just recently completed his
build at the Shelbyville facility. Not sure if he has his "jet" in
California yet or not. Mark and Nick can fill you in, but I certainly agree
with your plan to visit Greg Hobbs in Arizona to see his Lightning and
probably get a demo flight.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
In a message dated 2/2/2010 11:34:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pulsar1@sbcglobal.net writes:
I am considering building a Lightning. I have read all of the
newsletters and I am impressed with the airplane. I know that the
advertised construction time is about 600 hours. I have constructed a
Pulsar and the advertised building time for that aircraft was 1200 hours.
The Pulsar has been flying for 10 years but has always been a little to
small for me and a passenger. It's time to build another plane. So, my
question is: Are there any samples of the Lightning build manual that I
could look at to see the level of detail in the construction. Something
that will give me an idea of what needs to be built in the 600 hours. One
thing that really appeals to me is the short build time. Also, has anyone
used a different engine in the aircraft? I have an 0290 that I would like
to use if possible.
Thanks
George Gennuso
pulsar1@sbcglobal.net
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Subject: | Lightning Construction Manual |
John's plane is still with us here in Shelbyville. The plane is flying and
just waiting for John to come back and finish up his Phase 1 testing before
making the trek back to Sacramento.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 8:16 AM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Construction Manual
Hi George,
I think you will be very pleased with you choice of the Lightning for your
next aircraft building project. It is a great airplane with fantastic
performance and outstanding looks. I watched a friend build a Pulsar here
in Virginia some years ago (before the Lightning was on the market) and it
was a much more involved project. He certainly invested much more than 1200
hours in his Pulsar build. Another friend (in Texas) has just completed a
Pulsar and is doing the Phase One testing at the moment. It is actually
covered in the February Lightning Newsletter.
The Lightning is truly a quick build kit and, with your past experience,
you will have yours flying quickly. And as you mentioned, the Pulsar was
quite small. I could not get in it because of the limited leg and head room
and I am only 6'2". The Lightning can easily carry two people my size.
Reference the Lycoming O-290, another friend used a G model (old ground
power unit) modified to aviation standards in his Pitts and it worked rather
well. So, you could probably adapt an O-290 to the Lightning, but you would
lose quite a bit of useful load - probably close to 100 pounds. From
memory, I think the Lycoming O-290 dry weight is close to 265 pounds and the
installed weight will certainly be more. Again, from memory, the Jabiru
3300 is around 180 pounds and that includes the exhaust, starter, and all
other accessories. That much weight difference ahead of the firewall will
certainly cause some W&B adjustments - like putting the battery quite a bit
aft in the fuselage. And remember, the easiest and best way to make an
airplane faster and perform better is to keep the weight down. I would also
suspect that the fuel burn on the O-290 would be quite a bit more than the
3300. Other considerations would be the fact that the Jabiru would "bolt
right in" per the plans but you would have to come up with your own O-290
systems such as exhaust, oil cooling set ups, etc., etc. Also, the routine
maintenance cost of such things as spark plugs and oil filters, etc. would
run much more for the O-290.
Which ever way you go, don't forget to write some articles for the
newsletter while you are building and flying. I am sure your experience and
"lessons learned" will be very beneficial to future Lightning builders and
flyers. One other thought, I seem to remember only one Lightning owner from
California - John Krizman (not sure if I am spelling that right). I took
John for a demo flight some time ago and he just recently completed his
build at the Shelbyville facility. Not sure if he has his "jet" in
California yet or not. Mark and Nick can fill you in, but I certainly agree
with your plan to visit Greg Hobbs in Arizona to see his Lightning and
probably get a demo flight.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
In a message dated 2/2/2010 11:34:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pulsar1@sbcglobal.net writes:
I am considering building a Lightning. I have read all of the
newsletters and I am impressed with the airplane. I know that the
advertised construction time is about 600 hours. I have constructed a
Pulsar and the advertised building time for that aircraft was 1200 hours.
The Pulsar has been flying for 10 years but has always been a little to
small for me and a passenger. It's time to build another plane. So, my
question is: Are there any samples of the Lightning build manual that I
could look at to see the level of detail in the construction. Something
that will give me an idea of what needs to be built in the 600 hours. One
thing that really appeals to me is the short build time. Also, has anyone
used a different engine in the aircraft? I have an 0290 that I would like
to use if possible.
Thanks
George Gennuso
pulsar1@sbcglobal.net
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It was bound to happen: I finally got some time at the airport!
I built an adapter to go from the TBI to the scat tubing so the TBI and adapter
together are a drop-in replacement for the Bing as far as the airflow goes.
The adapter is made from 1/4" phenolic with a 2.25" inch hole in which a 2.25"
outer diameter aluminum tube was epoxy/flocked. I'll get the pics off my phone
tomorrow.
I also assembled the regulator to the TBI with an AN-6 90 degree fuel fitting and
an AN-6 to 1/4" NPT thread into the regulator. Pics tomorrow will also explaing.
I had to scrounge to find those particular parts, and the regulator is positioned
nicely now.
THen some 1/16" aluminum angle to make a brace from the TBI to the regulator was
fabricated.
A similar angle was made at the bottom of the phenolic block to attach the mixture
control cable.
That cable and a longer throttle cable were both received from Aircraft Spruce
last week.
Bottom line: It looks like it's all going to fit fine, and what I spent a few
weeks scratching my head over is all going to come together.
If it quits raining I hope to fire up the engine tomorrow without the ability to
lean the mixture, and then will keep working on routing new controls. I hope
by this weekend I'll have my new mixture cable, primer, and throttle cables
installed and be back flying.
Boy, I can't wait. This is so clean compared to the Bing. If it works well I'll
be thrilled.
Buz, you still want the Hacman? It's yours for the taking. If not, next in line?
Update in a few days.
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Subject: | Re: Lightning Construction Manual |
mark(at)flylightning.net wrote:
> John's plane is still with us here in Shelbyville. The plane is flying and just
waiting for John to come back and finish up his Phase 1 testing before making
the trek back to Sacramento.
>
> Mark
>
John is going to try to break my record. :P
Is he going to fly it or hang it from the ceiling? [Laughing]
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