---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/16/10: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: Quick update on the Florida Demo (Mefford, Walt) 2. 02:25 PM - Re: Quick update on the Florida Demo (wampam) 3. 05:32 PM - Rotec test flight (Bill Strahan) 4. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: Quick update on the Florida Demo (n5pb@aol.com) 5. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: Quick update on the Florida Demo (n5pb@aol.com) 6. 07:54 PM - Re: Rotec test flight (N1BZRich@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:38 AM PST US From: "Mefford, Walt" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Quick update on the Florida Demo Bear, I checked on your SL30 NAV/COM this morning. It looks like service has not started on it as yet. The last test records I found were at the end of January. I gave them the description of the problem you provided. A good problem description usually is very helpful and is something that is usually lacking on a lot of returns. They should start working on it this morning. Walt M. N881WP ________________________________ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 3:21 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Quick update on the Florida Demo Yes Walt, SL30 S/N 25905427 thanks Bear -----Original Message----- From: wampam Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2010 5:32 pm Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Quick update on the Florida Demo > Bear, Is that a SL30 NAV/COM. If it is, do you know the S/N. I may be able to check on it for you. Walt Mefford Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286575#286575 t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:50 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Quick update on the Florida Demo From: "wampam" Bear, The service department was able to replicate your problem at least once. It appears they are going to replace the NAV board. Walt M. N881WP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286695#286695 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:48 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Rotec test flight From: "Bill Strahan" Hmmm. Well, I had high expectations and truly poor outcome. Hard not to be a bit frustrated. Engine fired right up and idled well, if a little high at about 950 rpm. Everything warmed up and the runup went well. On takeoff, it felt okay, but it's hard to really feel the engine smoothness (or lack thereof) when the tires are rolling. Once airborne, it was apparent that the engine was shaking a bit. But by then I was far enough along that I decided to continue climbing and see what transpired. Sure enough, the EGTs were pretty uneven, but once I throttled back a bit the engine smoothed out. That was good enough for me to continue climbing, so I took it up to 5500' to check things out. At full throttle, the EGTs spread out by more than 200 degrees and the engine runs very rough. As I pull the throttle back some, the spread decreases some and the engine smooths out and RPMs increase. I would get rough running and 2800 rpm and then smooth and 2850-2900 at a slightly LOWER power setting. Sigh. It's similar to what the Bing did, but different. It's also not the same cylinders that run too lean and too rich. Double sigh. I took it on up to 14,500 to see how it ran there and I was getting about 140 MPH on 4.0 gph. Leaning worked well, but the lean cylinders would peak and drop long before the other cylinders. Similar to the bing, the EGT temps were closest at very low throttle setting, like 3.5-4.0 gph. Having all that altitude to play with, I explored the speed a bit on the way back. I very slowly increased speed in 5 mph increments up to 195 knots true, and 165 indicated. That at least was the enjoyable part. Next I called the tower and when I hit the PTT I got this very loud squeal in my headset. Thought that was strange, it's worked perfectly since I had the plane, but suddenly the radio has a problem. The tower could hear me over the squeal, but it was incredibly annoying and made communication difficult. So with the engine running overall WORSE than it had with the Bing, and the radio now giving me problems, when the engine quit on final I just figured it was par for the course. Triple sigh. As usual, I was setup to make the runway regardless, touching down about 500' down. I felt bad for the big twin turboprop that had to go around because I couldn't get it started soon enough to get past the hold short line. He probably burned more fuel in going around than I had in my 1.3 hour flight. So, nothing good to report yet. I have some ideas as to what might cause the uneven distribution of fuel, but it will have to wait until next week to play around with it. As to the radio, I have no idea. I'm hoping the avionics fairies come and fix it while I'm out. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286702#286702 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Quick update on the Florida Demo From: n5pb@aol.com Ok Walt, Thanks for the update. Am glad they will replace the nav board. Bear. N82PB -----Original Message----- From: wampam Sent: Tue, Feb 16, 2010 5:25 pm Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Quick update on the Florida Demo Bear, The service department was able to replicate your problem at least once. It ppears they are going to replace the NAV board. Walt M. 881WP ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286695#286695 ======================== =========== -= - The Lightning-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Quick update on the Florida Demo From: n5pb@aol.com Hi Walt, Thanks for checking it for me. Yea, I provided a pretty good description of what was happening and included a pic of the dispaly message. Hopeful ly they can trouble shoot it; maybe replace the nav board. Probably put it into temperature and vibration too. thanks for your help. Bear N82PB -----Original Message----- From: Mefford, Walt Sent: Tue, Feb 16, 2010 9:52 am Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Quick update on the Florida Demo Bear, I checked on your SL30 NAV/COM this morning. It looks like service has no t started on it as yet. The last test records I found were at the end of January. I gave them the description of the problem you provided. A goo d problem description usually is very helpful and is something that is usu ally lacking on a lot of returns. They should start working on it this mo rning. Walt M. N881WP From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 3:21 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Quick update on the Florida Demo Yes Walt, SL30 S/N 25905427 thanks Bear -----Original Message----- From: wampam Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2010 5:32 pm Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Quick update on the Florida Demo Bear, Is that a SL30 NAV/COM. If it is, do you know the S/N. I may be able to check on it for you. 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Thank you for your cooperation. ======================== =========== -= - The Lightning-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:10 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Rotec test flight Bill, Thanks for the run down. Although the initial flight with the Rotec didn't result in all the total improvements you were aiming for, at least you got a successful data gathering flight. And that's what it is all about at this early stage of experimenting. Thank goodness "experimental" allows us to do that. Heck, if it was easy, everybody would be doing it. Keep up the good work and thanks for keeping all of us in the loop. Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 2/16/2010 8:33:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bill@gdsx.com writes: --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Bill Strahan" Hmmm. Well, I had high expectations and truly poor outcome. Hard not to be a bit frustrated. Engine fired right up and idled well, if a little high at about 950 rpm. Everything warmed up and the runup went well. On takeoff, it felt okay, but it's hard to really feel the engine smoothness (or lack thereof) when the tires are rolling. Once airborne, it was apparent that the engine was shaking a bit. But by then I was far enough along that I decided to continue climbing and see what transpired. Sure enough, the EGTs were pretty uneven, but once I throttled back a bit the engine smoothed out. That was good enough for me to continue climbing, so I took it up to 5500' to check things out. At full throttle, the EGTs spread out by more than 200 degrees and the engine runs very rough. As I pull the throttle back some, the spread decreases some and the engine smooths out and RPMs increase. I would get rough running and 2800 rpm and then smooth and 2850-2900 at a slightly LOWER power setting. Sigh. It's similar to what the Bing did, but different. It's also not the same cylinders that run too lean and too rich. Double sigh. I took it on up to 14,500 to see how it ran there and I was getting about 140 MPH on 4.0 gph. Leaning worked well, but the lean cylinders would peak and drop long before the other cylinders. Similar to the bing, the EGT temps were closest at very low throttle setting, like 3.5-4.0 gph. Having all that altitude to play with, I explored the speed a bit on the way back. I very slowly increased speed in 5 mph increments up to 195 knots true, and 165 indicated. That at least was the enjoyable part. Next I called the tower and when I hit the PTT I got this very loud squeal in my headset. Thought that was strange, it's worked perfectly since I had the plane, but suddenly the radio has a problem. The tower could hear me over the squeal, but it was incredibly annoying and made communication difficult. So with the engine running overall WORSE than it had with the Bing, and the radio now giving me problems, when the engine quit on final I just figured it was par for the course. Triple sigh. As usual, I was setup to make the runway regardless, touching down about 500' down. I felt bad for the big twin turboprop that had to go around because I couldn't get it started soon enough to get past the hold short line. He probably burned more fuel in going around than I had in my 1.3 hour flight. So, nothing good to report yet. I have some ideas as to what might cause the uneven distribution of fuel, but it will have to wait until next week to play around with it. As to the radio, I have no idea. I'm hoping the avionics fairies come and fix it while I'm out. 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