---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/10/10: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:53 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (Dave) 2. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (flylightning) 3. 08:04 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 4. 08:59 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (flylightning) 5. 08:59 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (flylightning) 6. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (flylightning) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:23 AM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Buz We all had to make many changes to our Esquals, this is one item I missed. If mine is stainless I will be doing some rework or removal. Thanks for reminding me, when I installed Matco brakes, I had the motorcycle brakes left over--Nick still owes me a beer! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Dave, I think my Esqual kit was probably the last one that came through with the welded up stainless steel parts (central beam assembly, brake/rudder pedal assembly). I took one look at those and knew immediately they were no way strong enough for aircraft use - I threw them away. The welding work was not aircraft quality and I thought that stainless steel would not be strong enough for the assemblies they were being used for - too easy to bend and too brittle. Luckily, Pete and Nick has a Lightning central beam assembly "close by" and it was a "close enough" fit, so I talked them out of it (just like I later talked them out of the very first cowling that was supposed to go on the prototype Lightning. With some extra fiberglass work on the bottom and trimming the aft end of top and bottom, I got it to fit the Esqual). They also had their welding shop in Wisconsin weld me up a set of brake/rudder pedals so that solved those problems for me. As you have probably heard, more than several Esquals have had brake/rudder pedal failures or problems in the past. I have also heard of several with cracks in the original stainless steel central beam assembly - like the photos you sent. There were many other changes I made to my Esqual during its build that I thought would either make the airplane stronger/safer or that would add to the performance. That is why I started calling it an Esqual LS - which stands for Lightning Stuff. I certainly hope the new Esqual factory has at least made the central beam and brake/rudder pedal assembly changes to 4130 steel tubing. If not, we may continue to see problems in the Esqual fleet in the future. In a message dated 3/9/2010 2:44:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, corky@hbci.com writes: Buz I guess my photos did not come through, at the www.esqual.se site go to alerts, they show an alert that one should be watching regarding the gear support, I like the idea of the plate they added Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:21 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Buz thought this might be of interest to you, you can see it at www.esqual.se I'll be checking mine Dave ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:26 AM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Dave, Name the time and place and I will get you a couple! Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:36 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Buz We all had to make many changes to our Esquals, this is one item I missed. If mine is stainless I will be doing some rework or removal. Thanks for reminding me, when I installed Matco brakes, I had the motorcycle brakes left over--Nick still owes me a beer! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Dave, I think my Esqual kit was probably the last one that came through with the welded up stainless steel parts (central beam assembly, brake/rudder pedal assembly). I took one look at those and knew immediately they were no way strong enough for aircraft use - I threw them away. The welding work was not aircraft quality and I thought that stainless steel would not be strong enough for the assemblies they were being used for - too easy to bend and too brittle. Luckily, Pete and Nick has a Lightning central beam assembly "close by" and it was a "close enough" fit, so I talked them out of it (just like I later talked them out of the very first cowling that was supposed to go on the prototype Lightning. With some extra fiberglass work on the bottom and trimming the aft end of top and bottom, I got it to fit the Esqual). They also had their welding shop in Wisconsin weld me up a set of brake/rudder pedals so that solved those problems for me. As you have probably heard, more than several Esquals have had brake/rudder pedal failures or problems in the past. I have also heard of several with cracks in the original stainless steel central beam assembly - like the photos you sent. There were many other changes I made to my Esqual during its build that I thought would either make the airplane stronger/safer or that would add to the performance. That is why I started calling it an Esqual LS - which stands for Lightning Stuff. I certainly hope the new Esqual factory has at least made the central beam and brake/rudder pedal assembly changes to 4130 steel tubing. If not, we may continue to see problems in the Esqual fleet in the future. In a message dated 3/9/2010 2:44:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, corky@hbci.com writes: Buz I guess my photos did not come through, at the www.esqual.se site go to alerts, they show an alert that one should be watching regarding the gear support, I like the idea of the plate they added Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:21 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Buz thought this might be of interest to you, you can see it at www.esqual.se I'll be checking mine Dave href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:19 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Nick / Dave, Can I get in on that beer give away / rebate program? I suggest Sun N Fun or Oshkosh for a location. buz In a message dated 3/10/2010 10:04:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, info@flylightning.net writes: Name the time and place and I will get you a couple! Nick ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:25 AM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Dave, Name the time and place and I will get you a couple! Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:36 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Buz We all had to make many changes to our Esquals, this is one item I missed. If mine is stainless I will be doing some rework or removal. Thanks for reminding me, when I installed Matco brakes, I had the motorcycle brakes left over--Nick still owes me a beer! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Dave, I think my Esqual kit was probably the last one that came through with the welded up stainless steel parts (central beam assembly, brake/rudder pedal assembly). I took one look at those and knew immediately they were no way strong enough for aircraft use - I threw them away. The welding work was not aircraft quality and I thought that stainless steel would not be strong enough for the assemblies they were being used for - too easy to bend and too brittle. Luckily, Pete and Nick has a Lightning central beam assembly "close by" and it was a "close enough" fit, so I talked them out of it (just like I later talked them out of the very first cowling that was supposed to go on the prototype Lightning. With some extra fiberglass work on the bottom and trimming the aft end of top and bottom, I got it to fit the Esqual). They also had their welding shop in Wisconsin weld me up a set of brake/rudder pedals so that solved those problems for me. As you have probably heard, more than several Esquals have had brake/rudder pedal failures or problems in the past. I have also heard of several with cracks in the original stainless steel central beam assembly - like the photos you sent. There were many other changes I made to my Esqual during its build that I thought would either make the airplane stronger/safer or that would add to the performance. That is why I started calling it an Esqual LS - which stands for Lightning Stuff. I certainly hope the new Esqual factory has at least made the central beam and brake/rudder pedal assembly changes to 4130 steel tubing. If not, we may continue to see problems in the Esqual fleet in the future. In a message dated 3/9/2010 2:44:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, corky@hbci.com writes: Buz I guess my photos did not come through, at the www.esqual.se site go to alerts, they show an alert that one should be watching regarding the gear support, I like the idea of the plate they added Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:21 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Buz thought this might be of interest to you, you can see it at www.esqual.se I'll be checking mine Dave href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:59 AM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket I think both venues are appropriate...Will add to the list! Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich@AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Nick / Dave, Can I get in on that beer give away / rebate program? I suggest Sun N Fun or Oshkosh for a location. buz In a message dated 3/10/2010 10:04:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, info@flylightning.net writes: Name the time and place and I will get you a couple! Nick ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:58 AM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Dave, Name the time and place and I will get you a couple! Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:36 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Buz We all had to make many changes to our Esquals, this is one item I missed. If mine is stainless I will be doing some rework or removal. Thanks for reminding me, when I installed Matco brakes, I had the motorcycle brakes left over--Nick still owes me a beer! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Dave, I think my Esqual kit was probably the last one that came through with the welded up stainless steel parts (central beam assembly, brake/rudder pedal assembly). I took one look at those and knew immediately they were no way strong enough for aircraft use - I threw them away. The welding work was not aircraft quality and I thought that stainless steel would not be strong enough for the assemblies they were being used for - too easy to bend and too brittle. Luckily, Pete and Nick has a Lightning central beam assembly "close by" and it was a "close enough" fit, so I talked them out of it (just like I later talked them out of the very first cowling that was supposed to go on the prototype Lightning. With some extra fiberglass work on the bottom and trimming the aft end of top and bottom, I got it to fit the Esqual). They also had their welding shop in Wisconsin weld me up a set of brake/rudder pedals so that solved those problems for me. As you have probably heard, more than several Esquals have had brake/rudder pedal failures or problems in the past. I have also heard of several with cracks in the original stainless steel central beam assembly - like the photos you sent. There were many other changes I made to my Esqual during its build that I thought would either make the airplane stronger/safer or that would add to the performance. That is why I started calling it an Esqual LS - which stands for Lightning Stuff. I certainly hope the new Esqual factory has at least made the central beam and brake/rudder pedal assembly changes to 4130 steel tubing. If not, we may continue to see problems in the Esqual fleet in the future. In a message dated 3/9/2010 2:44:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, corky@hbci.com writes: Buz I guess my photos did not come through, at the www.esqual.se site go to alerts, they show an alert that one should be watching regarding the gear support, I like the idea of the plate they added Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:21 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Buz thought this might be of interest to you, you can see it at www.esqual.se I'll be checking mine Dave href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message lightning-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Lightning-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/lightning-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/lightning-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.